Earlier this week,
Romney pollster Neil Newhouse declared, “We’re not going to let
our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.”
He’s right and they shouldn’t, especially if the slipshod “fact
checking” of Paul Ryan’s speech last night is any indication.
Let’s start with the Simpson-Bowles debt commission. Ryan
said:
[President Obama] created a bipartisan debt commission. They
came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on
their way and then did exactly nothing.
CNN called the claim “misleading”:
But for their proposal to be adopted as official recommendations
to Congress, the Bowles-Simpson commission needed 14 of the 18
votes. It failed on an 11-7 vote, with four Democrats and three
Republicans, including Ryan, voting no.
First, the onus of Simpson-Bowles wasn’t on Ryan; it was on
Obama who set it up. Ryan did vote against Simpson-Bowles, but only
because he had his own books-balancing Path to Prosperity that
passed the House. The president’s halfhearted 2012 budget,
meanwhile, was
voted down 0-97 in the Senate. And Obama’s 2013 budget is
a foot-dislocating punt on debt reduction of any kind.
If that’s not doing “exactly nothing,” then it’s pretty
close.
Next up is Ryan’s account of a shuttered GM plant in Janesville,
Wisconsin:
A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that G.M.
plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe
that if our government is there to support you… this plant will be
here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.
Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It
is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many
towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in
sight.
The wizards at Politifact
rated this “False” (along with many other fact-checkers)
because the plant closed before Obama was inaugurated. That does
nothing to undermine anything Ryan said. His point wasn’t that the
president personally flew out to Wisconsin on Air Force One and
nailed an eviction notice to the door. It was that the Obama
economic recovery never materialized, as shown by the closings “in
so many towns today.”
Finally my personal favorite: the stimulus. Here’s Paul
Ryan:
The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate
welfare, and cronyism at their worst.
And here’s the Washington Post’s James Downie:
As Time’s Michael Grunwald, who has just published a new
book about the stimulus, points out, “Experts had warned that
5 percent of the stimulus could be lost to fraud, but investigators
have documented less than $10 million in losses — about 0.001
percent.” Solyndra has been the exception, not the rule.
In other news, Paul Ryan said apples when, in fact, oranges.
Ryan wasn’t talking about fraud. He was talking about “political
patronage, corporate welfare, and cronyism.” The stimulus tossed
money at companies hand-picked by the government, many of which had
political connections. General Electric is
the most popular of numerous examples.
And even if we are talking about fraud, the verdict is still
out. The Justice Department is investigating the possibility of
significant fraud in the stimulus’ transportation funding.
A baseline requirement for all fact checkers should be that they
check facts. Instead when it comes to Republicans, they prefer to
make eye-poking little jabs that have nothing to do with the
truth.
ggoblue| 8.30.12 @ 11:56AM
janesville was not closed until the middle of 2009...barak obama closed 16 more GM plants than richard wagoner wanted to. janesville was one of them.
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Matthew| 8.30.12 @ 1:46PM
What does this Matthew Purple guy really know...ahh forget him
Kingofthenet| 8.30.12 @ 1:58PM
This 'idea' is kind of how Conservatives and Fossil Fuel interests deal with Global Warming, rather than put some of their MASSIVE profits into their OWN Scientific Studies to disprove the science, they decide to attack the messenger, I guess it's the ONLY thing you got when you know you can't win on the TRUTH.
Brad| 8.30.12 @ 4:08PM
Perfect example of projection if ever there was one, courtesy of good ol' Foolofthenet.
Obama PROMISED that GM plant wouldn't be allowed to close. It closed. The porkulus was all about cronyism: Solyndra. Need I say more?
OIh, BTW, about that Globull Warming BS: we haven't attacked ANY real science - just the junk science and self-admitted fraud...
Brad| 8.30.12 @ 4:09PM
Self -admitted as in those "scientists" who admitted forging and twisting data to suit you and your fellow Chicken Littles...
aware| 8.30.12 @ 3:53PM
Voting for No Child, Patriot Act, Medicare part D, and several debt ceiling increases are facts that sure ought to be avoided, huh. And Romneycare too.
Purple is pathetic.
Fiscal| 8.30.12 @ 3:53PM
Ignore the facts? The truth is that claims on both sides are significantly overstated. Most issues are far more complicated than mere sound bytes. Personally, I tend to agree with the fact checkers and not you KoolAid drinking bloggers. On the other hand, Obama has shown absolutely no leadership and is nothing more than a panel moderator. We have so many extremists on both the right and left that we don't hear anything reasonable and yes, factual.
I'm convinced that once these pols get into office, they're more alike than different. Republicans grew the government under both Reagan and Bush and Obama is no different. Prior to Obama, Reagan and Bush had the greatest growth in deficits of any President (and that's a fact, by the way).
However, Romney is an executive and Obama needs to go. And that comes from someone who actually does check the facts.
Paul McGrath| 8.30.12 @ 6:35PM
"Prior to Obama," would seem to be the key phrase.
Oh, and less than ten years after Reagan left office, the deficit was gone. Zero. So it really wasn't the catastrophic event the left tries to pretend it was.
And the Soviet Union was gone, too.
As to Bush? Not a whole lot of people are great fans of Bush around here. You won't find me or anyone else defending his runaway deficits and reckless spending.