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Could Brian Ross be any more irresponsible or reprehensible?
UPDATE: ABC News apologizes. My response to ABC: Go screw yourself.
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RAM| 7.20.12 @ 11:47AM
The next time, the network (and others like it) should pre-apologize,"We are about to mislead you with inflammatory speculation but can't help ourselves."
Kevin Gutzman | 7.20.12 @ 11:49AM
Has Stephanopoulos ever mistakenly blamed a crime on a Democrat?
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 7.20.12 @ 11:49AM
Given the wrong thing to do or the wrong way to go liberals will take the wrong way and run with it every time.
Everyone involved including Stephanlpolus should be fired.
Scott| 7.20.12 @ 11:50AM
I think the Romney campaign should make it clear that they will have nothing to do with any debate where Brian Ross is one of the questioners.
Oldefarte| 7.20.12 @ 11:52AM
Ross, as I just commented to Jeffrey's editorial regarding same, we must return to morality and decency. The ANYTHING GOES philosophy of liberalism is the culprit here. The instigators of Hollywood creates this filth that brainwashes our youth constantly, and is filitated by the liberals in congress, in the white house, in academia, etc. This young killer is deranged mentally but he wasn't born that way, and the liberalistic environment of which he grew up created this monster. Yes he's to blame for the act of killing, but he was programmed by liberalism within society of today!!!!!!!!!!!
Ross Kaminsky| 7.20.12 @ 12:02PM
Olde, you may be right but I think it's just as much too early for us to be attributing causation here as it was for Brian Ross. Maybe liberalism was a factor, but it's just as likely (or more likely) not to have been. Let's be careful. I don't want anyone on "my side" to be like Brian Ross.
RCV| 7.20.12 @ 12:05PM
Sloppy journalism and the rush to be first with the story is the more likely culprit, coming on the heels of CNN's "Supreme Court Strikes Down Obamacare".
Tom Kyba| 7.20.12 @ 1:37PM
Don't even try that meme, dude. It's Ross's and Stephie's responsibility, not some ethereal rush to be first. You and your buds like to smarm yourselves to ecstacy with stereotypes about conservatives, and you try to pull this exercise in excuse making? Whatever grudging respect you merited by trying to engage people or needle them, is gone for good. What those two jerks tried to pull was despicable to any normal human being, and yet you still try to excuse them? Absolutely unbelievable.
kingsmill| 7.20.12 @ 2:00PM
Nonsense on stilts!!! Would Stephy and Ross rush out with the story if they had discovered that the mass murderer was a Muslim or an Occupier? Of course not. The media leftists are now floating trial balloons that Rush Limbaugh somehow motivated the killings.
Butch| 7.20.12 @ 2:38PM
Doubt it. While your side lies about the Tea Party, you all know who they really are: a bunch of ordinary citizens, many of them older, who are concerned about grossly excessive government spending. Hardly the type to commit random mass murder. Why did they even check the Tea Party website in the first place? Why on earth would anyone go there first thing?
Sorry: this was sheer malice.
Occam's Tool| 7.20.12 @ 4:01PM
RCV: why doesn't the break ever go in the direction of blaming a Liberal, sir? The Arizona shooter was thought to be a Tea party guy, WITH NO EVIDENCE, for example.
It gets tiring and obnoxious, after awhile.
Now to something we certainly agree on, RCV: My concern is with the families and their current pain and in preventing further similar incidents. The best way to keep mentally unbalanced individuals from killing people is to medicate them. How many times do you read about people doing these things who were "followed appropriately by their psychiatrist and completely compliant with their psychiatric medication regimen?" But I can tell you about the ACLU keeping people from being appropriately medicated. And you know this too.
What will it take to get the ridiculously Civil Libertarian overprotective commitment laws overturned, and allow antipsychotic medications to be adjudicated as part of involuntary commitment issues, as opposed to being moronically separated.
irish19| 7.20.12 @ 12:09PM
Good advice.
Oldefarte| 7.20.12 @ 4:35PM
Ross, I wasn't referring so much to this latest incident in Co. so much as ALL listed by Jeffery's editorial; and to point out the creeping intensity of these events over my substantial lifetime. These events are increasingly occurring due to IMO the societal influences of liberalism today. A 40 year old woman was gunned down in her neighborhood in my state recently simply for protesting to a passing motorist who was speeding by in an automobile. With a president and a so-called religious minister encouraging civil disturbance [and a US attorney general proclaiming that we are a NATION OF COWARDS regarding racial relations], does not same activities and pronouncements encourage and lead to outbursts of violence that has been witnessed recently????????
ncatty| 7.20.12 @ 12:43PM
"The police acted stupidly" (by taking this guy alive).
rocky01| 7.20.12 @ 12:53PM
Don't agree with speaking out against these radicals, masquerading as newmen, only to catch and release them and they go on to pillage another day, laughing at their targets, proud of their devilish antics.
Kingofthenet| 7.20.12 @ 1:17PM
Truth is in MANY parts of the Country it is WAY to easy to get a gun, and once you get licensed you pretty much can buy ANY gun you want, how about asking some pointed questions from Law Enforcement, before being allowed to buy an 'Assault Weapon' or .50 Sniper Rifle?
C. Vernon Crisler | 7.20.12 @ 1:39PM
I doubt if gun laws would have stopped this guy.
Skippy| 7.20.12 @ 1:53PM
More guns=less crime.
AllAmericanAmerican| 7.20.12 @ 3:44PM
This proves you have NO CLUE about guns, the purchase of guns, or the selling of guns. You simply spout talking points.
Have to get approval from law enforcement to buy a gun? Hardee har har. I shoot more than most cops I know (and I'm a better shot as well).
Maybe you need to get grilled by TAS editors before you post here?
Crassus| 7.20.12 @ 6:07PM
Nice points, Mr. Brady.
DRed| 7.20.12 @ 1:22PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....9099.html?
There you go Ross. Now a Tea Party member said something stupid about this tragedy as well. Fair and balanced.
Tom Kyba| 7.20.12 @ 1:46PM
IF a tea party member tried to use this incident for gain, then he or she is scum. Nice to know that the important thing to you is to find someone to "even the score". Thanks for defining for us what kind of human being you are. Perhaps when you reach puberty, you will start to realize...then again, no you won't.
DRed| 7.20.12 @ 2:35PM
I'm not trying to score points, Tom. I'm trying to point out that saying stupid shit after a tragedy like this isn't a partisan problem. We'd all be better served if people at least waited for some facts to come out before opening their mouths, but sadly that doesn't seem possible.
Nick| 7.20.12 @ 3:01PM
"I'm trying to point out [blah, blah, blah]."
And, you are failing, miserably, DRed.
For every dumb comment made by someone on the right, during the Jared Loughner massacre, I could probably show you 10 to 20 ignorant statements made by lefties. Laura Ingraham played many of them during her radio program, this morning.
Why is moral equivalency always the first refuge of you bleeding hearts?
Plus, for which major news network did that "Tea Party member" work? As usual, your comparison is apples to blueberries, i.e., not even close.
DRed| 7.20.12 @ 3:32PM
Yes, of course Nick. Conservatives never leap to conclusions and ssay dumb shit to the media, and if they do well then liberals do it more and it must be true because you heard it on a conservative talk show that talked about that one event. Go team!
Congressman Gohmert is a member of the tea party caucus. This is where you tell me that's not really the tea party, right? Maybe he's running a false flag operation.
I think saying stupid shit about a tragedy to score political points is morally equivalent to saying stupid shit about a tragedy to score political points. What you're trying to argue is that liberals do it more. Maybe we do. I don't know. Just like Laura Ingraham.
Nick| 7.20.12 @ 4:26PM
Is it your liberalness that makes you so unhinged, DRed? Or, is it because you are so unhinged that you are liberal?
"Conservatives never leap [...]." Straw man! I never claimed any such thing. In fact, I stated the opposite.
"[...] and it must be true because you heard it on a conservative talk show [...]." Read what I wrote, again. Miss Ingraham played the audio of the many ignorant statements made by liberals/democrats, at the time.
"Congressman Gohmert is a member of the tea party caucus." So, does this imply that Representative Gohmert represents himself as a journalist, a reporter of facts, like Brian Ross does?
Again, this isn't even an apples to oranges comparison. Try again.
"What you're trying to argue is that liberals do it more." I'm not "trying," I'm stating it as fact. Check out Brent Bozell's MRC website, where he documents it, year after year:
http://www.mrc.org/
"Maybe we do. I don't know." Then why are you trying to refute it? Why are you arguing out of ignorance? Typical liberal.
You need to calm down, and read what people actually write, before you reply.
DRed| 7.20.12 @ 4:41PM
You honestly don't think Brent Bozell might be a biased source? And you don't realize that Laura Ingraham playing only ignorant media remarks made by liberals in one instance is not something you can draw sweeping conclusions from? I'm sure I could find some media matters or daily kos article about conservatives irresponsibly blaming liberals for things, but it wouldn't prove much, would it?
I never said I was comparing journalists, or members of the media. I was comparing liberals and conservatives. You need to calm down and read what I actually write before you reply.
Nick| 7.20.12 @ 5:14PM
"You honestly don't think Brent Bozell might be a biased source?" It doesn't matter, DRed, that Mr. Bozell is conservative. Since, all he does is post the video, audio, and quotations (in context, unlike MM or kos-kids) of liberals making their inane comments.
"And you don't realize that Laura Ingraham [...]." Umm, I do have a memory, DRed. It was only a year and a half ago. You and I probably had the same arguments, in these same pages, at the time. It was your liberal buddies who were trying to blame the actions of Jared Loughner on Sarah Palin and the T.E.A. Party, remember?
"I was comparing liberals and conservatives." So, you're admitting that Bob Ross and ABC News are liberal? Now, that is progress. Will you take the next step and admit that the rest of the Lame Stream Media (NBC/CBS/CNN/MSLSD/NYT/WP/LAT/USATODAY) are also liberal?
And, to be clear, you offered up Representative Gohmer, a "Tea Party member," as a rebuttal to Mr. Kominsky's original post. How is this not comparing Mr. Gohmer to Brian Ross?
Don't you liberals understand the difference between politicians and liberal hacks who hide behind their press badges?
"You need to calm down and read what I actually write before you reply." Not only do I read what you write, I quote it back to you. Another lame attempt at moral equivalency!
DRed| 7.20.12 @ 5:44PM
If you're going to say 'liberals do x more often than conservatives', you can't support your argument by using a source that only tracks what liberals do. That's like me saying that it rains more in Arizona than in Hawaii and supporting it by showing you a web site that tracks how often it rains in Arizona.
Nick| 7.20.12 @ 6:15PM
You started this, DRed, by trying to equate Representative Gohmert's opinions with Brian Ross' act of journalistic malpractice. You called it "fair and balanced."
Your comparison was bogus, and it did not prove what you thought it did.
You then then stated to Mr. Kyba that you were trying "point out" that this was not "partisan problem." Since, this disgusting massacre just happened, using comments made in the first hours proves nothing. So, I went back to the last massacre, to show that this is a partisan problem. And, that it is liberals who have this affliction.
You are the one who made the claim that it is not a "partisan problem." So, it is up to you to provide the proof. One comment from a representative giving his opinions didn't even come close to refuting Mr. Kominsky's original post. Here are just a few that I found, with a simple search of "gifford's shooting" on MRC:
http://www.mrc.org/search/apac.....ch/gifford's shooting
The more you argue this, the more ridiculous you appear.
DRed| 7.20.12 @ 6:30PM
Fair and balanced? Christ, Nick, that was a joke. Fair & balanced is the fox news slogan. You need to not take everything you read so literally. You're arguing against a point I wasn't making.
I don't care what you found on mrc, for the reasons I discussed above (and that you have avoided addressing). It doesn't support your argument, although I agree with you that liberals were wrong about the Gifford shooting. It's still just one episode.
Nick| 7.20.12 @ 7:23PM
"Fair & balanced is the fox news slogan."
Really? I had no idea! (excreting gobs of sarcasm)
C'mon! See, your unhinged-ness is getting the best of you. (Ha-ha!)
So, your original point was not to equate what Mr. Gohmert said with what Brian Ross did? It was not a one-for-one comparison?
Then why did you claim that you were just "pointing out that saying stupid [expletive deleted] after a tragedy like this isn't a partisan problem."
Except, again, Mr. Gohmert was only expressing his opinion (which wasn't stupid, by the way) while Brian Ross, and ABC News, was committing journalistic malpractice.
And, how did I avoid addressing your reasons? I stated, quite clearly, that the MRC (and Newsbusters) only link to the videos, audio clips, and quotations. Much like The Drudge Report does.
Mr. Bozell's politics can't change what ignorant liberals and democrats have said, over the decades.
DRed| 7.20.12 @ 7:40PM
Again, you can't prove that one group does something more or less than another group by showing evidence of only one groups behavior. That's basic logic.
Nick| 7.20.12 @ 8:34PM
It's not my job to prove anything, DRed.
You made the bogus assertion, not I.
DRed| 7.20.12 @ 8:49PM
"What you're trying to argue is that liberals do it more." I'm not "trying," I'm stating it as fact.
Whoops
Nick| 7.20.12 @ 9:36PM
Yes, DRed. I stated it as fact. And, I provided my proof, the MRC website.
Even though it wasn't incumbent on me to provide the proof, it was up to you.
Is English your second language?
DRed| 7.21.12 @ 1:57AM
Again, you can't prove that one group does something more or less than another group by showing evidence of only one groups behavior. That's basic logic.
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Nick| 7.21.12 @ 3:54PM
Provide the opposing evidence, then. You made the bogus assertion.
So, far the count is:
Nick from Detroit - 16
DRed - 0
I did get you to admit that ABC News is liberal. But, you still seem to think that a conservative politician giving his opinion is equivalent to a liberal, so-called journalist reporting lies.
Oh well. I guess a little progress is better than none.
Conservative Bob| 7.20.12 @ 2:10PM
There is nothing that can be done to stop an individual that is prepared to die while doing something this horrific.
It is sad testament of our times that some are so blinded by their ideology that, while victims are still being treated and the bodies of others are not yet cold, they must first seek to gain political advantage.
A sick individual has extinguished the hopes and dreams of innocent people and families for reasons we may never know.
13 are dead and 50 more are injured some seriously who may not survive.
Say a prayer for the effected families, pause for a moment in our shared humanity in compassion for their suffering and loss.
Is this too much to ask?
Occam's Tool| 7.20.12 @ 4:03PM
Bob, thank you for reminding me about what is truly important. You are so correct.
Nick| 7.20.12 @ 4:35PM
I agree with Bob's comments. And Occam's.
My prayers go out to all the families who were affected.
And, please remember that mass killing is not something new, it just happens with more frequency.
If you've never heard of the Bath School Massacre, which happened in 1927, read about it here:
http://www.trutv.com/library/c.....dex_1.html
When someone lets Satan enter their heart, the urge to hurt the innocent is constantly present.
Oldefarte| 7.20.12 @ 9:00PM
And I also pray that society in general will WAKE UP to the insanity, depravity, and utter nonsense that exists today. We're all awaiting the investigations into who/what this Holmes killer was/is mentally/phychologically, but initially I do not understand the connection between him and this movie. There will be discovered some mental trigger that promoted this violence within this seemingly unconnected venue, but someone/something in his prior life had a disturbing influence that possibly caused this. These insane killers always seem to have some psychological guru that tweeks them emotionally. When you have our nations leaders inciting to riot the general public for their own selfish political purposes, we've lost it as a nation of rational people!!!!!!!!!!