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The Spectacle Blog
Debbie Schlussel is angry about the forthcoming joint cruise between TAS and National Review for amongst other things including Grover Norquist in the proceedings. Then she launched a lengthy tirade against TAS part of which I have highlighted below:
And as for the American Spectator, it’s the same deal. Several American Spectator editors repeatedly attacked me for exposing Miss USA 2010 Rima Fakih’s Hezbollah family and the fact that her pageant bids were paid for by PFLP terrorist, immigration defrauder, and FBI Award revokee Imad Hamad. They also attacked me for pointing out that Lara Logan learned the true Islam when she was gang-raped by the Egyptian Muslim “democracy” protesters in Tahrir Square. This little, inconvenient fact got in the way of the magazine’s strong support for the “democracy protesters” and the removal of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak (the Spectator’s idiotic Aaron Goldstein actually quoted the New York Times pan-Muslim Marxist Nicholas Kristof to bolster their support).
Well, one can say many things about Debbie Schlussel. Being diligent isn’t one of them.
I didn’t quote Nicholas Kristof concerning Egypt. John Guardiano did. To which I replied:
Alas, Guardiano is content to dismiss the anti-Semitism of some of the protesters. Why? Because The New York Times says so. OK, maybe Nicholas Kristof saw only one anti-Semitic sign. Well, he can take a look at these others. Somehow I find it hard to believe there aren’t more where those came from.
So I didn’t quote Kristof on Egypt much less endorse any argument he was making. In fact, the only time that I have quoted Kristof was to critique an article he wrote concerning his questions for Bahrain’s King Hamad.
With regard to Egypt, as John can attest, we disagreed quite sharply. I wasn’t the only one here at TAS who took a skeptical view towards Egypt. For Ms. Schlussel’s edification, I cite articles written by Ben Stein, Jed Babbin, as well as a thoughtful blog post from Jim Antle.
Sadly, this isn’t the first time Ms. Schlussel has been inaccurate in her characterization of what I wrote (and probably not the last):
As his proof that the 200 Muslims who attacked Logan were operatives of Mubarak, Guardiano cites some Kapo token Spectator Jew, Aaron Goldstein. Goldstein’s “proof” that the attackers were Mubarak “thugs masquerading as protesters”? Well, he links to the terse CBS statement announcing the assault - a statement which says no such thing, doesn’t mention Mubarak, and says absolutely nothing he claims.
Here was my response to Schlussel:
If Ms. Schlussel is going to refer to me as “some Kapo token Spectator Jew” then should do me the courtesy of actually reading what I have written. Not only have I not asserted that the thugs who attacked Logan were pro-Mubarak but I criticized Guardiano when he claimed they were. I also criticized Guardiano when he suggested pro-Mubarak forces produced anti-Semitic signs seen during the protests.
I ended with that post by writing, “And with that I trust that Schlussel will correct the record.”
Well, that was fifteen months ago and I’m still waiting.
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Red Phillips | 5.18.12 @ 7:25PM
Don't sweat it Aaron. Debbie Schlussel is seriously unhinged, and I say this as someone who is generally reluctant to argue using epithets. She really is deranged. Occam, who seems buddy buddy with her, should take note.
Occam's Tool| 5.19.12 @ 8:08PM
I like wolverines; even when I am occasionally bit. I admire their courage. Deb has occasionally bit me, too, but I understand her passion and can deal with it; people aren't perfect---AND IF ERROR IS BROUGHT TO HER ATTENTION, SHE'LL TALK TO YOU. She also has an e-mail address that I can personally testify she reads, Aaron, so why don't you simply drop her a line? Personally, she can be exceptionally nice and decent, this I also know.
Red, on the other hand, enjoys the company of rabid vermin, like the Paulbots he hangs around with, and is completely blind to terrorist danger. Candide is not my role model.
Incidentally, Norquist is married to a Palestinian Muslim. The comment on Aaron was incidental. Even Pam Gellar, whom Schlussel HATES, agrees with Schlussel on the sliminess of Norquist.
When two people who hate each other personally can triangulate on the sliminess of a third in exactly the same fashion, and when Wikipedia, NOT known for being Conservative, notes the EXACT SAME thing, one begins to wonder. Is Norquist married to a Palestinian Muslim? Does he support Hamas? These are relatively simple things to uncover.
Leave it to Red to focus on the petty and incidental.
Clint| 5.19.12 @ 10:20PM
The Little Screwball Maniac Israel Firster Smear Bund Neo-Chickenhawk Traitor Bastard Coward, Tool Job Crybaby's About Americans, Who Don't Ass Kiss His Agenda.
http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/.....people.jpg
Call Bibi, Crybaby.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.19.12 @ 11:21PM
You miss the point. Of course everyone makes mistakes. But responsible people own up to them. Ms. Schlussel has twice taken me to task for things I haven't written and for positions I do not hold.
That tells me she either doesn't do her homework or she is simply careless and sloppy. Unless she accepts responsibility for her errors and exercises greater diligence in her writing then I have no reason to give her arguments serious consideration. Nor does she help her cause when she likens me to Holocaust prisoners who curried favor with the SS (i.e. "Kapo token Spectator Jew"). Those are not the words of a responsible person. If she wants to get respect then she has to give respect first.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.12 @ 1:24AM
Aaron: she has just cast me out into the outer depths for not being Zionist enough. True story. Relax, Pal, you're not alone. Joan of Arc must have not been much fun to pal around with, either.
Norquist is still a pro-Palestinian sleazeball, however.
Dai Alanye | 5.21.12 @ 12:02PM
Debbie accused me of being a lib apologist among many other things. She's a fanatic, and quite possibly in need of psychotropic meds.
What mainly seems to anger her is a lack of adulation for her views.
Troll Watch| 5.18.12 @ 7:51PM
I agree that she is deranged. One of my favorite moments on this site is when the paleocon Toddard ran with her misinformation about Sean Hannity. Schlussel and Toddard hand in hand going after the enemy. What a sight. It would have made Pat Buchanan proud.
http://spectator.org/blog/2010.....tcontainer
Anne Onymous| 5.18.12 @ 8:26PM
Still, one legitimate question remains unanswered: Why does TAS provide a forum for stealth jihadist Norquist? Is it in order to annoy Ms. Schlussel? Back in the days when TAS was justly famous for its fearless investigative journalism, Noquist would have been the subject of the magazine's investigations, not a prominent contributor.
Cromulent| 5.19.12 @ 12:24AM
Yes, its interesting how the proximate cause for Debbie's paroxysms goes unanswered. I'm not quite as critical of Norquist as others. He has done and still does some pretty decent work for the good guys. But that doesn't mean we should stop with the criticism. I'd like to see Spencer and McCarthy gut him in a debate.
PCP Smoker| 5.18.12 @ 8:37PM
Guardiano, Goldstein...two peas in a liberal pod.
Occam's Tool| 5.19.12 @ 8:13PM
No. No they aren't. I also like Aaron, too.
But Aaron, Debbie is also a very busy attorney, and she may have gotten it wrong. People get her wrong, too. Again, she reads her e-mail.
I am too tired to be as passionate as I was as a young man. I admire Debbie's energy. I also admire her knowledge of Jewish culture, food, and the law. I also admire, most of all, her fighting spirit. Wolverines will take on, and destroy, other predators many times their size.
And now on to my favorite site, WeaselZippers.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.19.12 @ 11:27PM
Being a busy attorney is hardly an excuse for sloppy work. If she's this sloppy in her blogging then it ought give one pause before seeking her legal counsel.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.12 @ 1:29AM
Aaron: you don't know many attorneys, do you? The majority I have met are VERY sloppy. The paperwork gets fixed later.
Quartermaster| 5.18.12 @ 8:53PM
I can't speak to the Schlussel bidness, but I can speak about Norquist. Any organization that includes him in it's proceedings is not a conservative organization.
I do feel compelled, however, to say that Goldstein is rather provincial.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.18.12 @ 10:28PM
I apologize for my ignorance, but could some one define "Kapo token" for me. Until now, I thought Aaron Goldstein was the token Bostonian and the token Canadian.
He's Jewish, too? Oy, hast du gesehen meine Herz Medizin? Ich habe das nicht gewusst.
OldSwchabian| 5.19.12 @ 9:06AM
I' hab koi ahnung von dem spricht dir.
Occam's Tool| 5.19.12 @ 8:18PM
Albert, sir:
a "kapo" was a Jew who cooperated in the Concentration camps with the Nazis, turning in for interrogation and cooperating in the deaths of his fellow Jews in exchange for more time to save his own skin. A Jew calling a fellow Jew that is much worse than calling him "kike" or "sandmonkey." (No Jew that I know of has ever called another Jew "Sandmonkey." Only Clint does that in his little whirring tin brain.)
That's why it hurts.
But it is funny how Norquist has gotten a free ride on this crap. maybe it's because he is someone who does not focus on foreign policy openly, like The Drooler Paul.
Clint| 5.19.12 @ 10:33PM
Now,The Rest Of The Story.
By 1940-41, the “Stern Gang,” among them Yitzhak Shamir, later Prime Minister of Israel, presented the Nazis with the “Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany.”
Avraham Stern and his followers announced that
“The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:
1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,
3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.
Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side.”
Occam's Tool| 5.20.12 @ 1:28AM
Stern was quite out there, and in 1940 believed that "The Final Solution" would be achieved by emigration rather than extermination.
It cost them a lot of support within the Jewish community.
Clint| 5.20.12 @ 3:29AM
Never Heard You Condemn Stern , Screwball Maniac Israel Firster Smear Bund Traitor Bastard, Tool Job.
Aaaaand,
" On another front, the “Third Congress of the Jewish Community of the Far East,” was held in Jan., 1940, in Harbin, Manchuria, then reeling under a brutal military occupation by the Japanese imperial forces. At that time, too, Tokyo was already aligned with Hitler and Italy’s Mussolini, in the notorious Anti-Comintern Pact. Also, keep in mind, that the Japanese’s murderous “Rape of Nanking,” had occurred in Dec., 1937, and the “Crystal Night” incident on Nov. 9, 1938. Nevertheless, the Zionist confab went out of its way to legitimize the Japanese occupation by certifying it as a guarantor of the “equality of all citizens,” in that beleaguered land."
Clint| 5.20.12 @ 4:25AM
Irgun Zvai Leumi Leaders:
Menachem Begin – The Last Commander in Chief (1913–1992); first Likud Prime Minister of Israel.
Zeev Jabotinsky – Leader of the Irgun (1880–1940 (Benzion Netanyahu, the
Israeli Prime Minister’s father, was Jabotinsky’s secretary.)
Dai Alanye | 5.21.12 @ 12:05PM
Clint is also a fanatic, and quite possibly in need of psychotropic meds.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.12 @ 1:31AM
And the USA in 1940 was a neutral in an obviously horrific conflict, as well.
Haganah was not fighting the British and offering to ally with the Nazis---how do you think the Jewish battalion in the 8th Army was formed? (The one Dayan fought in, if I recall.)
This is like saying that Ron Paul represents mainstream Republicans on foreing policy.
IsraelMyGlory| 5.20.12 @ 2:18AM
Ron Paul is more in tune with the Progressive Caucus than anyone else.
Else why would he stand with 57 known kook progressively socialist democrats, eh?
Especially playing footsie with Barney Frank:
http://thehill.com/blogs/congr.....d-ron-paul
Clint| 5.20.12 @ 3:42AM
Do Your Homework, Israel Firster Smear Bund Traitor Bastard.
Ronald Reagan,
"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."
Occam's Tool| 5.20.12 @ 7:07PM
Before he betrayed Reagan. Funny. No more current quotes than 1976.
Clint| 5.20.12 @ 11:29PM
Do Your Homework Little Israel Firster Judas Smear Bund Traitor Bastard,Tool Job.
Dr.Ron Paul,
" I strongly supported Ronald Reagan. I was one of four in Texas -- one of four members of Congress that supported Reagan in '76. And I supported him all along, and I supported his -- his -- all his issues and all his programs.
But in the 1980s, we spent too much, we taxed too much, we built up our deficits, and it was a bad scene. Therefore, I support the message of Ronald Reagan. The message was great. But the consequence, we have to be honest with ourselves. It was not all that great. Huge deficits during the 1980s, and that is what my criticism was for, not for Ronald Reagan's message. His message is a great message."
Dai Alanye | 5.21.12 @ 12:11PM
RonPaul is not above twisting the truth out of all recognition. We can be sure Reagan eventually came to despise him, as do all knowledgeable true conservatives.
Clint| 5.20.12 @ 3:47AM
Now, The Rest Of The Story,Israel Firster Smear Bund Traitor Bastard, Tool Job.
" The Zionist also had a trade plan with the Berlin government by which German Jews could redeem their property in Nazi goods exported to then British-occupied Palestine. And to top it all off, the infamous SS-Hptscharf. Adolf Eichmann, had visited Palestine, in October, 1937, as the guest of the Zionists. He also met, in Egypt, with Feivel Polkes, a Zionist operative, whom Eichmann described as a “leading Haganah functionary.” The chain-smoking Polkes was also on the Nazis’ payroll “as an informer.”
1HourZionizing| 5.20.12 @ 2:20AM
Hey Clint, you want extra starch in your sheets?
Clint| 5.20.12 @ 3:38AM
HeyIsrael Firster Smear Bund Traitor Bastard, Tell Us About The Deliberate Israeli IDF Attack On Our U.S.S. Liberty, Killing 34 Of Our U.S. Seamen And Wounding 173 .
You're Up Israel Firster Smear Bund Traitor Bastard.
USSAlabama| 5.18.12 @ 10:50PM
Who is Debbie Schlussel?
Crassus| 5.18.12 @ 11:38PM
Some questions are best left unanswered. This happens to be one of them.
Occam's Tool| 5.19.12 @ 8:10PM
USSAlabama---website is DebbieSchlussel.com. She is also a Detroit Film Critics Circle member. Her movie reviews are fantastic, by the way.
Clint| 5.19.12 @ 8:16AM
Tell Debbie, Bibi Want Her To Do His Schlussel Again.
The American Hitman| 5.19.12 @ 9:21AM
"Debbie Schlussel is angry...."
I stopped reading there. I'd take a post about Red Sox baseball anyway over one about Psycho Debbie.
MikeN| 5.19.12 @ 4:07PM
Debbie Schlussel has been making up stuff for a long time. WorldNetDaily dropped her for some reason. She wrote an article about Louis Farrakhan braying anti-Semitism at some rally, then another one where an imam just opened up after she snuck in undercover.
Casey Abell| 5.20.12 @ 1:30AM
No question Debbie goes around several bends. But she makes a legitimate point about Grover Norquist's more questionable associations. NRO and TAS should ask Mr. Norquist exactly where he stands on the issue of Islamic terrorism. At the very least, the subject should not be off-limits to discussion, as it now seems to be.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.12 @ 1:32AM
"foreign."
Tom Sosa| 5.20.12 @ 3:56AM
It's interesting how Aaron Goldstein hasn't said a word about The American Spectator's choice of honoring Grover Norquist as the guest in a cruise. Sounds to me like Schlussel's right that Goldstein is a kapo. I guess he needs his paycheck, just like the kapos needed what they got from the Nazis.
It's always easy to attack someone as "crazy" when you can't refute their facts. So, Aaron, why the indignance when you cannot even bring yourself to say word one about your magazine's honoring of an Muslim who has helped supporters of Islamic terrorism and enemies of Israel get to the highest levels of the Republican Party and conservative movement? To quote Shakespeare, "Thou doth protest too much." And yet you don't protest an iota about Norquist. Did Bob Tyrrell tell you it's off limits (they are good friends)?
Why are you trying so hard to squirm away from saying a thing about this? Maybe it's because you won't attack the hand that feeds you, and you'll have to stand up for Norquist, which would make her point exactly. Isn't it true that The American Spectator is able to pay you via the money it gets from things like the Grover Norquist cruise?
Aaron Goldstein| 5.20.12 @ 1:21PM
Conspiracy theories will get you nowhere in a hurry.
None of what you say (which is false anyway) alters in the least that Schlussel has twice attributed statements to me that I did not make. If someone attributed a statement to you did not write and did not correct the record then why would you take that person seriously?
Tom Sosa| 5.20.12 @ 5:44PM
I rest my case. You keep squirming, won't address or denounce your employer's promotion and honoring of Grover Norquist on a cruise, and though you deny, deny, deny, you haven't refuted a single thing. Nice try at obfuscating but no cigar. You continue to bolster her case that you are a kapo. Nice going.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.20.12 @ 7:54PM
You rest your case? What case? You don't even have a coherent argument. In fact, you lost that argument the moment you evoked Nazi imagery.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.12 @ 7:08PM
Aaron: assume she has a billion screws loose. Why is Norquist on that cruise. It's like inviting Clint as the major speaker.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.20.12 @ 7:58PM
If Clint could get 95% of all Republican Congressmen to sign a pledge then he too would merit an invitation to speak on the cruise.
Clint| 5.20.12 @ 11:40PM
More To The Point, The Little Israel Firster Judas Traitor Bastard Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Bibi Cabana Boy,Tool Job Wasn't Invited To The Freedom's Foundation, Medal Of Honors Grove, Heroes Day, Today.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.20.12 @ 10:19AM
How does someone like Grover Norquist get on a cruise promoting conservatism at a time when his lobbying history includes promoting Muslim activities behind the scenes while he claims to be promoting tax conservatism above board?
Aaron Goldstein would have better spent his time not being so sensitive and looking into the concern about the TAS relationship with Grover Norquist.
Amazingly, once again, it's the women in the conservative movement who have the testosterone to ferret this out and look into it for the most part. However, there are dozens of articles that are factual about Grover Norquist and his promotion behind the scenes of Islamism.
Here's something the staff at TAS should look into and it's only one example of a hundred. If any of this is true then TAS should boot Norquist off the cruise of at least invite an opposing point of view:
From a Pam Gellar column at Atlas Shrugs:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.....istan.html
Many people feel, and rightly so, that the American Conservative Union – the political Right’s largest and most influential grassroots umbrella organization and sponsor of the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) -- has abandoned conservative principles and morphed into some fleshy, ambiguous, compromised political machine doling out money and favors for cronies, when it is doing anything at all. I agree. Wholeheartedly. It has been co-opted.
Grover Norquist and Suhail Khan have infiltrated CPAC at the senior level. The Muslim Brotherhood controls the information and dissemination of everything you see, hear, and read on Islam, unless you do your own research, your own study, and frequent blogs like mine and Spencer's. Everything is Muslim Brotherhood propaganda. The Muslim Brotherhood has done at this at the senior level of every government agency. And the media is in lockstep as well. "The strategy of power broker Grover Norquist [is] his wicked project to dress Islamists up as patriotic Republicans so they can infiltrate the government."
Grover Norquist hoped to...harness votes from the country's growing Muslim population by creating the Islamic Free Market Institute in 1998. He did so with significant financial help from Abdurahman Alamoudi, then one of America's most influential Muslim activists and head of the American Muslim Council.
Today, Alamoudi is serving a 23-year prison sentence after admitting to illegal transactions with Libya and being part of a plot to assassinate the then-Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Alamoudi was also found to be a long time secret financial courier for Al Qaeda while at the same time being routinely invited to the Clinton White House for receptions and meetings. (IPT).
Continuing with the same column:
Imagine battling with the American Conservative Union to have a very likley future Prime Minister of the Netherlands, who is being persecuted for speaking the truth, address an audience at CPAC.
Spencer wrote of it a year later here:
At the time I was interviewed by Newsweek, Pamela Geller was working tirelessly behind the scenes to secure a speaking slot for Geert Wilders at CPAC, but CPAC was dragging its feet. With that in mind, I told Newsweek that people were afraid to deal with this issue, and added at Jihad Watch that "Keene's, or someone's, priorities are seriously out of order. Wilders should be front and center at CPAC, and the defense of free speech its central theme."
I didn't know it at the time, but after I was interviewed by Newsweek and before their article appeared, Keene decided to honor Wilders at CPAC and give him an award. But when the Newsweek piece hit, with quotes from me as well as David Horowitz saying, "How is it possible that a conservative conference does not have a single panel on the threat from radical Islam?," Keene was furious. He was so furious that he canceled the award for Wilders and refused to let him speak at all, saying he wasn't going to look as if he was being pushed around by Robert Spencer. Suddenly a few remarks in Newsweek by David Horowitz and me were controlling David Keene's world. Principles? Free speech? Jihad and Islamization? Pah. For Keene, it was just a schoolyard fight, and he was behaving like a schoolyard bully.
And now we hear that Norquist is battling behind the scenes to stop the fight against the jihad in Afghanistan.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.20.12 @ 8:10PM
It's not a question of being sensitive; it's a question of Schlussel getting her facts straight where it concerns her factual inaccuracies about what I've written. If her sloppiness doesn't concern you then you're on your own.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.20.12 @ 9:24PM
Now you're the one engaging in inaccuracies. I simply mentioned her in passing. The article I posted is from Pam Gellar and appears accurate so it deserves a response. Are you always so slippery with your own values? If so, then you are have engaged in a far worse issue than a simple mistake. You're running from the facts. That's beyond sloppiness. That's what liberals do.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.20.12 @ 10:46PM
Your point is specious and irrelevant.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.21.12 @ 5:01AM
When the truth is dismissed with one line quips It must be relevant. You look like a fool with that statement. That's not a worthwhile achievement.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.21.12 @ 8:43AM
The truth is that Ms. Schlussel has twice misrepresented things I have written, a fact both she and you refuse to acknowledge.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.21.12 @ 9:50AM
You already pointed it out. Why would I waste time attacking her? It seems odd so much time is being spent on that issue which I honestly don't care about in deference to the fact that Grover Norquist has helped Islam infiltrate CPAC and apparently TAS.
If that doesn't concern you so be it. That's weak though. Really weak.
Tom Sosa| 5.20.12 @ 11:34AM
Here is just one of several links to Schlussel columns on Norquist, which are far more detailed than Geller's. Still waiting for Aaron Goldstein to refute any of this info and tell us why it's okay that his employer is hosting and honoring this guy on a cruise. Aaron remains silent on all of this. Why?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com.....-norquist/
Aaron Goldstein| 5.20.12 @ 1:22PM
Please see my earlier reply.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.20.12 @ 2:18PM
So you don't take her seriously. How about the many other sources who link Grover Norquist to the top echelon of Stealth Islam?
That's a stealth term you won't hear at TAS as it applies to Mr. Norquist.
Stealth Socialism, maybe, but never Stealth Islam.
Tom Sosa| 5.20.12 @ 5:46PM
Who cares if he claims he doesn't take her seriously? He clearly does take her seriously since he's spent a lot of time on her. And who is he to decide who is the arbiter of reliability and truth? He has yet to refute a single thing she said about Norquist or to denounce Norquist because he's clearly everything she said he is. Looks like she is in fact quite reliable about both Norquist and Aaron Golstein.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.20.12 @ 8:02PM
This isn't about Norquist. It's about Schlussel getting her facts straight about what I've written. If you endorse her sloppy work then you are beyond help.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.20.12 @ 9:35PM
You mentioned Norquist and the cruise. You and TAS owe your readers an explanation on Norquist. Not explaining it defines sloppiness of moral values. On that issue Debbie Schlussel was correct.
You accused her of sloppiness yet she was correct about anorquist.
Your refusal to address the Norquist issue degrades your original comments because it places you in the same league.
You see, the worst sloppiness of all is an outright lie.
While TAS refers to Obama as a stealth socialist TAS ignores the greater danger in the Norquist ties to the highest echelons of Islam.
TAS should boot him from the cruise but that would lead to sloppy questions.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.20.12 @ 10:43PM
Your line of reasoning is incoherent.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.21.12 @ 4:59AM
If it is you must be stupid. And you're not.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.12 @ 7:10PM
No, I don't think she's reliable on aaron, but I think TAS is making a mistake on Norquist. The Zionist subgroups were fools to try to negotiate with Nazis, which is why Ben-Gurion did it. Judging what the whole movement believed and thought by what the Stern gang did is like judging all Republicans by the fact that Paul is buddies with StormFront.
Clint| 5.20.12 @ 11:58PM
" After the Holocaust began in 1942, Eichmann dealt regularly with Dr. Rudolf Kastner, a Hungarian Jew, whom he considered a “fanatical Zionist.” Kastner was later assassinated in Israel as a Nazi collaborator. At issue then, however, was the bargaining over the eventual fate of Hungary’s Jews, who were slated for liquidation in the Nazi-run death camps. Eichmann said this about Kastner, the Zionist representative, “I believe that [he] would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal. He was not interested in old Jews or those who had become assimilated into Hungarian society. ‘You can have the others,’ he would say, ‘but let me have this group here.’ And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful. I would let his groups escape.”
Clint| 5.20.12 @ 11:43PM
That's A Lie.
You're A Serial Sociopathic Liar, Screwball Israel Firster Smear Bund Goebbels Propaganda Bibi Cabana Boy, Tool Job.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.21.12 @ 9:52AM
Mr. Goldstein can accuse Ms. Schlussel of sloppiness al he wants or desires.
It doesn't change the fact he's a stealth Islam supporter and has worked out deals behind the scenes to allegedly help terrorists.
And he's somehow ending up as a major guest on a TAS sponsored cruise.
I prefer sloppy at that point.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.21.12 @ 9:57AM
When I wrote "he's a stealth Islam supporter" I was referring to Norquist.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.21.12 @ 1:31PM
So you choose sloppiness. This only goes to show that you aren't interested in the truth much less the facts. You just want to be told what you want to hear. In that case, you'll have to get your fix elsewhere.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.21.12 @ 4:20PM
You can duck, bob and weave all you want. When you do that you look like a frightened little animal.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.21.12 @ 6:00PM
That's funny from someone who writes under a pseudonym.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.22.12 @ 5:04AM
Mark Twain wrote under a pseudonym. Now pseudonyms aw sloppy.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.22.12 @ 12:30PM
Apples and oranges. Mark Twain was one of the most famous people in the world in the late 19th and early 20th century. Everybody knew what Mark Twain looked like. Everybody knew he was really Samuel Clemens.
You accuse me of cowardice. On the contrary, when I write I put my real name behind it. The same cannot be said of the Bill Hussein O'Stalins of the world.
Casey Abell| 5.21.12 @ 11:37AM
I've had a few run-ins with Aaron, so I'm not the most unbiased observer. But on the famous other hand, I've had a few pleasant interactions with Aaron as well. So...
Aaron's really not doing himself any good by dancing around the significant and substantial questions about Mr. Norquist's questionable activities related to Islamic terrorism.
Yes, Debbie Schlussel may have misquoted Aaron and called him names, and she's wrong to do that. And Debbie Schlussel may be a big bunch of bricks short of a full load. Hey, Debbie Schlussel may be the worst person in the world if Olbermann was around to rant any more.
But Debbie Schlussel's comments on Grover Norquist appear accurate, or at least discussable. I'm very interested in why NRO and TAS find him a suitable guest on their cruise and a welcome contributor to their sites...and why his beliefs and activities concerning Islamic terrorism are apparently beyond question.
So let's discuss this, Aaron. Does Grover Norquist get a pass solely because of that tax pledge? One pledge covers every multitude of sins?
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.21.12 @ 4:21PM
Bingo!
Casey Abell| 5.21.12 @ 1:01PM
Well, at least if Commentary ever sponsors a cruise, Grover Norquist won't be along for the ride.
Casey Abell| 5.21.12 @ 1:13PM
Sorry, forgot to give the links and quotes where Commentary blasts Norquist:
"Somehow I think the conservative base is pretty secure for the war effort, because it understands what Grover does not: that we are locked in an existential struggle against Islamist extremists and that defeat in Afghanistan would have severe consequences for us that make the cost of winning the war seem cheap by comparison."
http://www.commentarymagazine......ghanistan/
Commentary continues to question Norquist's associations with the left on Islamic terrorism and other issues:
"Norquist does lean left on a lot of issues outside of tax cuts, most notably foreign policy and social issues. But why would he agree to advise some of the most powerful Democratic donors on how to counter the conservative movement’s fundraising and organization strategy?"
http://www.commentarymagazine......ic-donors/
Okay, Commentary is a largely Jewish web site. (Personal disclaimer: I'm not Jewish myself, if anybody's wondering.) But it's generally not regarded as a nutcase publication. It can't be dismissed as wacko like Debbie Schlussel.
So once again, why are NRO and TAS so welcoming to Norquist? Why are Norquist's activities and beliefs relating to Islamic terrorism and related issues apparently off-limits to discussion?
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.21.12 @ 4:23PM
Humorous.
Wat Tyler| 5.21.12 @ 3:07PM
Schlussel is also a coward. While she and her followers freely spray insults around her site, in my experience if you post in moderate language pointing out one of her many errors of fact or logic (admittedly in a sardonic tone, because it's almost impossible not to sound superior when dealing with her level of discourse) you will be banned. She can't even stand up to criticism. So I'm not surprised you haven't had your apology.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.21.12 @ 4:23PM
Norquist had her banned from several shows and sponsored events. Sloppy ethics abound!
Kevin Bjornson| 5.24.12 @ 7:20PM
Debbie might be sloppy, but it's irresponsible to include Grover Norquist as an honored guest in a joint TAS/National Review cruise. The article carefully sidesteps that issue.