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The Spectacle Blog
On the heels of the nasty and embarrassing letter written by nearly 90 of its faculty members to House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, Georgetown University has further beclowned itself by honoring Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, author of the abortifacient mandate that tramples religious liberty and particulary harms Catholic institutions such as Georgetown still technically but increasingly mendaciously claims to be, as the commencement speaker at the graduation ceremony of its Public Policy Institute.
So let me get this straight: Some 90 faculty members get nasty in supposed defense of Catholic teaching — teaching on a subject which, according to the Catholic Church itself, is interpretive, not definitive; advisory, not binding; and on which knowledgeable and erudite experts in the subject say the speaker is right and the faculty wrong — to insult an acclaimed speaker at a ceremony that does not necessarily imply that the university is bestowing an honor upon the speaker. But the same university invites a speaker at a ceremony, commencement, which by long tradition and universal understanding confers an honor upon the speaker by the very act of hosting said speaker — even though said speaker is the direct and primary mover behind a policy so radical, so extreme that the Catholic Church has directly, repeatedly, officially, overwhelmingly denounced as a direct threat not just to the church’s central teachings, to its very doctrine, but also to the church’s very ability to carry out its mission and indeed a threat to the church itself.
If 90 faculty members can protest a non-honorary speech by somebody who only arguable would violate interpretive church teaching, why aren’t they not just protesting but actually threatening to publicly demonstrate against honoring a speaker who is directly trampling upon central, doctrinal church theology and mission?
Fie on these false defenders of the faith. Fie on these hypocrites.
Kenny| 5.7.12 @ 11:18AM
As a cradle Catholic I can say without hesitation that the Catholic Church leadership, overall, is corrupt and cowardly.
MikeBee| 5.7.12 @ 11:23AM
Quin,
It's been long known in the Catholic Church that the Jesuits sold out long ago to liberalism. The Jesuits run Georgetown. No surprise to find Jesuit faculty making their own rules.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.7.12 @ 12:45PM
Lucifer himself once held a position in heaven's executive management, and was fired and banished when he tried to lead a hostile takeover. Now he runs the competition (and is admired by the Alinskyites for his acumen).
The Jesuits need to decide who they serve, and put their house in order. It now seems a strange coincidence that "The Exorcist" has Georgetown as its setting.
W| 5.7.12 @ 1:50PM
Several years ago Georgetown invited Obama for a speech and then covered the religous symbols on the podium so as to not offend the sensibilities of Obama. Now if Obama is truly a Christian, why would the cross and name Jesus offend him.?
Now if he is a Muslim, then...
Notre Dame also invited Obama last year to award him an honorary degree. Some professors with courage and principles did not attend.
Here are the two major "Catholic" universities honoring the two public officials who most strongly advocate abortion rights. This is similar to the majority of American Jews supporting Obama when they know Obama does not support Israel, or the majority of American blacks supporting the Democratic policies of denying vouchers that would help them educate their children. It is cognitive sissonance or plain stupidity.
These universities are Catholic in name only.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.7.12 @ 4:23PM
When I give my envelopes, the one for the universities remains forever empty.
Oldefarte| 5.7.12 @ 4:28PM
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!!!!!
Ed| 5.7.12 @ 11:25AM
What, exactly, do you expect from the Church? Its hierarchy is liberal. It favors the expanded State while being oblivious to that State's encroachments on the Church. The "conservative" claims is based on opposition to abortion. Yet, how can one be opposed to abortion while slavishly following those politicians to whom abortion is the only holy sacrament.
Clint| 5.7.12 @ 2:54PM
Do Your Homework.
" The pontificate of John Paul II has been marked by a determination to reinsert the Church and its beliefs into elements of human life from which secularism sought to expel them. (John Paul is ably assisted in this endeavor by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, whom the Pope appointed head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Ratzinger authored a two-part refutation of liberation theology in the 1984 Instruction on Certain Aspects of the "Theology of Liberation" and the Instruction on Christian Freedom and Liberation that came out two years later.) John Paul's main enemy, since his election in 1978, has been modern secularism. For the Pope, liberation theology is part of this secularism. "
Chris (the second one)| 5.7.12 @ 3:20PM
But, the Church leadership still pushes socialist solutions to these problems.
Clint| 5.7.12 @ 4:00PM
Do Your Homework.
" Many people are not aware that the Catholic Church also opposes socialism and mandated wealth redistribution for 3 main reasons:
1. It robs the lawful posessor of the wealth (stealing) 2. It hurts the recipient in the end (they should be entitled to hope for and to keep whatever wealth they acquire too) 3. It distorts the role of the state
On the last point, the Church teaches the principle of subsidiarity, which is that higher levels of community, such as the state, should only perform functions not better performed by lower levels of community, such as families and charities.
The church teaches that the wealthy have an obligation to the poor, but that this is a PERSONAL DUTY, not something the state should mandate or control. Furthermore, the oblication should be personal in nature (ie, get involved), whereas state programs separate the giver from the receiver.
The church discourages class welfare and contends that envy of the rich is a violation of the 9th commandment.
Furthermore, the poor are told “to have nothing to do with men of evil principles, who work upon the people with artful promises of great results, and excite foolish hopes which usually end in useless regrets and grievous loss.”
Don’t beleive me, read “Rerum Novarum”, which is the papal encyclical that lays these positions out. Think it is irrelevant to today, know that John Paul II wrote an encyclical in 1991 affirming Rerum Novarum and went on to explicitly condemn the “Social Assistance State”.
Oldefarte| 5.7.12 @ 4:26PM
Then explain this DA:
'....The Church [and other churches are also being assaulted as well] has sadly and historically been successfully invaded/captured by liberalism:'......the debate, however, has been the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, who forcefully oppose cuts to programs that help the poor and vulnerable, singling out cuts to food stamps as "unjustified and wrong" and assailing the effort to deny the child tax credit to undocumented workers as sure to thrust vulnerable children into poverty. The vast majority of children who would be affected by the tax credit proposal are U.S. citizens.....'
MikeBee| 5.7.12 @ 4:49PM
Clint,
Chris and Oldefarte are correct. You are stating official Catholic Church teaching, largely coming from the Vatican. Officially, the Catholic Church is against Socialism and Communism, and even JPII worked with Reagan and Thatcher to eradicate Communism. However, in the U.S. Catholic Church, the hierarchy is mostly liberal. It's hard to find a conservative bishop in the U.S.
So, you're right that, officially, the Catholic Church stands against Socialism. However, the U.S. hierarchy largely support Socialism, and quietly allow abortion . When was the last time you heard a U.S. bishop speak out publicly in a conservative manner?
Rick| 5.7.12 @ 3:36PM
Wrong, and childishly facile. The hierarchy (who I agree with sometimes, sometimes not) tends to support a socially conservative, fiscally moderate agenda, when viewed in the prism of today. Just because the bishops get on board with the "idea" of ObamaCare, doesn't mean the leadership falls down the liberal drain. The hierarchy supports a more traditional order in which the state has more influence... obviously a hearkening back to when the Church had more of a say in society. In our philosophically liberal (not the American version of "liberal") society, it is difficult sometimes for the Church to transmit its message properly in terms of public policy.
What do I expect from the Church? Sound public policy suggestions in line with Church law. Even when I disagree with the bishops, I still trust that they follow this timeless logic. I suggest you pick up a Catechism sometime and actually read its philosophy on social matters before juxtaposing what you think the philosophy is upon American public policy.
Derek Leaberry| 5.7.12 @ 11:45AM
The Jesuits and the institutions they run are no longer Catholics. Fortunately, the Jesuits are rapidly dying off. Unfortunately, the institutions they founded will continue to be antagonistic to the Catholic faith. Such is Georgetown.
Occam's Tool| 5.7.12 @ 11:45AM
They supported ObamaCare until they realized their own ox was to be gored. Remove the conflict over abortions and contraception, and the Catholic Church leadership would once more fall docilely into line.
I appreciate their stand on religious freedom, but they brought the conflict on themselves by failing to stand for freedom at the outset.
Clint| 5.7.12 @ 3:06PM
" Among Jewish groups, only GOPers slamming Dems' health care plans
By Rachel Tepper
WASHINGTON (JTA)—Even as polls and heated rhetoric suggest opposition to Democratic health care reforms is mounting, Jewish organizational support appears to be holding steady.
Only one group—the Republican Jewish Coalition—is voicing opposition.
The RJC has been urging its members to oppose Democrat-backed health care legislation, sending out an action alert last week warning that the measures, which the group dubs "Obamacare," will result in massive spending and debt, widespread loss of jobs and healthcare coverage. In its alert, the RJC warned that Obama's plan will result in a "government takeover of health care."
However vigorous RJC's opposition, it appears to represent the lone voice among Jewish organizations speaking out against Obama's plan. Liberal groups, including the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism and the National Jewish Democratic Council, have been staunch supporters of health care reform. Both have taken to the Internet in recent days, creating Web sites advocating comprehensive health care reform.
The NJDC launched RabbisForHealthCare.org, a site featuring a sign-on letter to Congress asking rabbis to lend their support to health care reform. The RAC started JewsForHealthCareReform.org, a nondenominational Web site featuring fact sheets on the health care system, Jewish texts on health care mandates and action alerts containing pre-written letters to Congress in support of reform."
Chris (the second one)| 5.7.12 @ 3:19PM
When you read the CCB's statements on Obama care, the only things they were concerned about were keeping the exemptions for contraceptives and abortion, and urging that illegals get healthcare as well. Yeah, they have only themselves to blame for this.
Clint| 5.7.12 @ 4:02PM
Again,
Do Your Homework.
" Many people are not aware that the Catholic Church also opposes socialism and mandated wealth redistribution for 3 main reasons:
1. It robs the lawful posessor of the wealth (stealing) 2. It hurts the recipient in the end (they should be entitled to hope for and to keep whatever wealth they acquire too) 3. It distorts the role of the state
On the last point, the Church teaches the principle of subsidiarity, which is that higher levels of community, such as the state, should only perform functions not better performed by lower levels of community, such as families and charities.
The church teaches that the wealthy have an obligation to the poor, but that this is a PERSONAL DUTY, not something the state should mandate or control. Furthermore, the oblication should be personal in nature (ie, get involved), whereas state programs separate the giver from the receiver.
The church discourages class welfare and contends that envy of the rich is a violation of the 9th commandment.
Furthermore, the poor are told “to have nothing to do with men of evil principles, who work upon the people with artful promises of great results, and excite foolish hopes which usually end in useless regrets and grievous loss.”
Don’t beleive me, read “Rerum Novarum”, which is the papal encyclical that lays these positions out. Think it is irrelevant to today, know that John Paul II wrote an encyclical in 1991 affirming Rerum Novarum and went on to explicitly condemn the “Social Assistance State”.
Chris (the second one)| 5.7.12 @ 5:38PM
Clint spamming the thread with the same nonsense isn't helping. From http://www.lifenews.com/2011/0.....peal-vote/
In a letters sent to lawmakers on Tuesday, Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York, the new pro-life president of the USCCB, and Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of Galveston-Houston, head of the bishop’s pro-life outreach, outlined the agenda of the bishops and indicated they will pursue changes to the Obamacare law, such as a bill to remove abortion funding from it, rather than a wholesale repeal.
“Rather than joining efforts to support or oppose the repeal of the recently enacted health care law, we will continue to devote our efforts to correcting serious moral problems in the current law, so health care reform can truly be life-affirming for all,” DiNardo wrote.
You might want to look at this letter to see that the only thing the bishops were concerned about was (1) everyone must be covered, (2) abortion and contraceptive exemptions made, and (3)
illegal immigrants covered.
http://old.usccb.org/healthcar.....012610.pdf
The Catholic church issues so many conflicting statements that one can't keep up. I prefer to follow what they do which is encourage socialism and support immigration law breaking.
Clint| 5.7.12 @ 11:45PM
" By Matthew Larotonda
Jan 29, 2012 8:19pm
Catholic Churches Distribute Letter Opposing Obama Healthcare Rule
Catholic parishioners around the country were read letters this morning written by church leadership railing against an Obama administration ruling that requires employers to provide health insurance plans that include contraceptive coverage.
Churches and other houses of worship are exempt from the guidelines but Catholic hospitals, colleges, and social services fall under the umbrella of institutions covered by the decision.
Originally introduced last summer, the decision was lauded by abortion rights supporters. But Catholicism considers some forms of contraception termination of life and religious leaders say adherence would fly in the face of the tenets of their faith. Critics also charge it would be a violation of the Constitutional right to freedom of religion.
The letters were penned by individual clergy, so variations exist in what was read at each Sunday Mass, but the overall theme is unified.
One letter from the Archdiocese of Washington says organizations “will be placed in the untenable position of having to choose between violating the law and violating their conscience.”
In another from the Diocese of Phoenix, Arizona, a bishop calls on Catholics to stand united against the rule.
“We cannot — we will not — comply with this unjust law,” it reads. “People of faith cannot be made second class citizens.”
Nearly all letters found by ABC News called on parishioners to pray for a reversal.
On Jan. 19, Pope Benedict XVI told the American Roman Catholic Church they needed to understand “grave threats” posed by what he called radical secularism in politics and culture. The pontiff specifically mentioned the U.S. church struggling to be permitted conscientious objection to “intrinsically evil practices.”
Chris (the second one)| 5.8.12 @ 12:07AM
I'm done with you, Clint. All you do is post articles with little or no comment. It's even worse that your article supports what others have been saying. The only reason Catholics are up in arms is because the of lack of exemptions for abortion and contraception. Add the exemptions and Catholics are perfectly fine with government running healthcare.
Andrew Keirns| 5.7.12 @ 12:03PM
I have heard it said that liberals are liberals first ...
this seems to prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Oldefarte| 5.7.12 @ 12:07PM
The Church [and other churches are also being assaulted as well] has sadly and historically been successfully invaded/captured by liberalism:'......the debate, however, has been the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, who forcefully oppose cuts to programs that help the poor and vulnerable, singling out cuts to food stamps as "unjustified and wrong" and assailing the effort to deny the child tax credit to undocumented workers as sure to thrust vulnerable children into poverty. The vast majority of children who would be affected by the tax credit proposal are U.S. citizens.....'
Clint| 5.7.12 @ 3:08PM
Do Your Homework.
" The pontificate of John Paul II has been marked by a determination to reinsert the Church and its beliefs into elements of human life from which secularism sought to expel them. (John Paul is ably assisted in this endeavor by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, whom the Pope appointed head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Ratzinger authored a two-part refutation of liberation theology in the 1984 Instruction on Certain Aspects of the "Theology of Liberation" and the Instruction on Christian Freedom and Liberation that came out two years later.) John Paul's main enemy, since his election in 1978, has been modern secularism. For the Pope, liberation theology is part of this secularism. "
Oldefarte| 5.7.12 @ 4:13PM
Viva La Bibi:
'.....Newsmax.com Netanyahu Proposes Early Israeli Elections on Sept. 4Monday, May 7, 2012 5:06 AM JERUSALEM — The Israeli government proposed Monday that national elections be moved up to Sept. 4, putting in motion a brief campaign expected to propel Benjamin Netanyahu to another term as prime minister.
Parliament is to begin deliberating bills to dissolve the legislature later in the day, making the date official. A final vote is expected to be held on Tuesday. The current government is the most stable Israel has had in years. But disagreements on a variety of domestic issues such as drafting the ultra-Orthodox into the military and tearing down illegal structures in West Bank settlements have led Netanyahu to move up elections by more than a year. Recent polls have suggested Netanyahu's Likud Party would win at least one-quarter of parliament's 120 seats to become the legislature's largest faction — putting him in a comfortable position to form a majority coalition. They also indicate he might be able to form a more moderate coalition than the hawkish lineup he now heads, in partnership with centrist parties more open to making concession to the Palestinians. The early elections have also renewed speculation that Israel might attack Iran's suspect nuclear program, perhaps within months. Israel, like the West, thinks Iran is developing nuclear weapons, a charge Tehran denies. But it has repeatedly hinted it might strike Iran if it concludes that U.S.-led diplomacy and sanctions have failed. Weighing against any possible attack are heavy U.S. pressure to give diplomacy and sanctions more time, and the prospect of a deadly Iranian retaliation........'
Oldefarte| 5.7.12 @ 4:16PM
Do you homework, dummie. Illegal immigration is costing taxpayers $billions via medical care, public school expenses, etc; and the GD traitorous Church is undermining any efforts at stopping this illegality. Tell your BS to Brian Terry's family and NOT TO ME!!!!!!!!!!
Oldefarte| 5.7.12 @ 4:18PM
PS: Maybe when one of these illegals in LJ go after ya BOY, maybe you'll WAKE UP, dummie!!!!
Sam1427| 5.7.12 @ 5:24PM
And there's an IRS scam that benefits illegals as well: they get a taxpayer ID number, file claiming as many as 12 children for dependents and then get thousands of dollars in tax "refunds" for those children, most of whom are back in Mexico. See Indianapolis TV station WTHR for video.
The Jesuits have been following the wrong path for years as have many other orders who have swallowed the socialist lies. Liberal Catholic groups depart from RC doctrine and still think they are Catholic, having substituted social justice for true Catholicism. I don't know what would wake them up and turn them from following false prophets.
noooobama| 5.7.12 @ 6:41PM
What I can't figure out is what they are using for social security numbers for the kids in Mexico.
Clint| 5.8.12 @ 12:03AM
Uh Oh, Mittens' Double Standard Anti-Catholic BibiBot Kitten, Fart Man.
"RE: The Mormon Church Still Supports Illegal Aliens
January 29, 2012.
The facts are….the Mormon church does, as do other churches, support illegal immigration."
We Are Being Set Up By These Israel Firster RINO-CINO Agendists Israel FirsterFor The Ruling Elites' Frontman Mittens Romney.
These Are The RINO-CINO Agendists, Who Gave Us The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain Of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy,McCain-Lieberman,Gang Of 14, Opposing Bush Tax Cuts Of 2001 & 2003,TARP.
Now They Are Trying To Give Us RomneyCare,TARP, Cynical Flip-Flops On Abortion, Gays, Refuses to Sign Pro-Life Pledge, Illegal Immigrants, "Little Chain Saw Al" At Bain, Crony Capitalism Campaign Money Trail.....
David W| 5.7.12 @ 1:12PM
Hypocrites? Perhaps. Heretics? Definitely.
Don| 5.7.12 @ 2:25PM
Our beloved PopeBenedict XVI is a true intellectual giant. He understands that the West is in grave danger, that we are in dire need of authentic voices of truth, and that our institutions of higher learning - even most “Catholic” ones - have been coopted by the moral relativists. Note his comments on higher education this weekend to American Bishops in Rome for their ad limina visit: http://www.ncregister.com/blog.....iversities
There are some very good Catholic universities in the United States. We should send our kids to those schools instead of the “academically elite” name brands. It’s easy to identify the ones we should acknowledge and support - just figure out whether they are adherents of the Land O Lakes Statement or if, on the other hand, they are truly attempting to comply with Ex Corde Ecclesiae.
There are two very different concepts of what a Catholic university should be. Unfortunately, most Catholic high school students applying to college, and their parents, have no idea what dens of dissent and open rebellion against the Church many of our formerly great Catholic universities have become, all in the name of “academic freedom” and “independence.”
The Land O Lakes Statement was issued in 1967, signed by a group of Catholic educators led by University of Notre Dame president Fr. Theodore Hesburgh, CSC, had as its purpose defining the relationship between the modern American university and the Church, and between the Catholic university and American intellectual life. Characterized by historian Philip Gleason as a “declaration of independence from the hierarchy,” the statement provoked a decades-long debate over the character of American Catholic higher education. For supporters, “The Idea of the Catholic University” was a long overdue statement of Catholic educators’ agreement with the tenets of American academia, such as academic freedom, and their willingness to contribute fully to the nation’s intellectual life. For critics, the manifesto dangerously divorced the Catholic university from the life of faith and set in motion a deplorable decline in the Catholic identity of American institutions of higher education.
Ex Corde Ecclesiae was issued by Pope John Paul II in 1990. Its aim was to define and refine the Catholicism of Catholic institutions of higher education. The document cites canon 810 of the Code of Canon Law which instructs Catholic educational facilities to respect norms established by local bishops. Ex Corde underscores the authority of the bishops and mentions that canon law (canon 812)requires all teachers of theology in Catholic colleges and universities to have the mandate of the local ecclesiastical authority (normally the local bishop). Ex Corde Ecclesiae was viewed as a rebuttal to the Land O’Lakes Statement.
Many American Catholic universities have fought Ex Corde Ecclesiae tooth and nail, and very few of them are in compliance with it. Because of their power, wealth, influence, and stubborn insistence that they can in fact be “Catholic” without truly being so, they have been able to give lip-service to Ex Corde Ecclesiae while remaining out of compliance now for over 20 years.
Elite American academia, including much of Catholic academia, is morally and intellectually bankrupt. Truly Catholic universities have a chance to play a vital role in battling the dictatorship of relativism and the culture of death, and to stand as bulwarks against the radical secularization of society. I firmly believe that it is time to draw some clear lines.
Just within the nation's capital, the contrast between the Catholic University of America and Georgetown could not be more stark. We absolutely must support truly Catholic universities and either reject the Georgetowns and their ilk or demand that they reform. What is at stake is no less than a battle for the moral and intellectual heart of Western Civilization.
Oldefarte| 5.7.12 @ 4:23PM
If/until the Catholic Church makes serious reforms [ie expelling its pedifilic clergy and cease promotion of illegal immigration policies of this corrupt socialistic POTUS/Democratic administration], Catholics who blindly follow this Church or any similar one is simply acting '''''STUPIDLY'''''!!!!!!!
Clint| 5.7.12 @ 11:35PM
Do Your Homework Lapsed Catholic, Turned Ax Grinding Anti-Catholic Agendist, Fart Man.
"Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.
These are findings from national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources (CMR), a tax and legal-advice publisher serving more than 75,000 congregations and 1,000 denominational agencies nationwide.
CMR's annual surveys of about 1,000 churches nationwide have asked about sexual abuse since 1993. They're a remarkable window on a problem that lurked largely in the shadows of public awareness until the Catholic scandals arose.
The surveys suggest that over the past decade, the pace of child-abuse allegations against American churches has averaged 70 a week.
Dr. Shupe suggests the 70 allegations-per-week figure actually could be higher, because underreporting is common. He discovered this in 1998 while going door to door in Dallas-Ft. Worth communities where he asked 1,607 families if they'd experienced abuse from those within their church. Nearly 4 percent said they had been victims of sexual abuse by clergy. Child sexual abuse was part of that, but not broken out, he says.
James Cobble, executive director of CMR, who oversees the survey, says the data show that child sex-abuse happens broadly across all denomination and that clergy aren't the major offenders.
"The Catholics have gotten all the attention from the media, but this problem is even greater with the Protestant churches simply because of their far larger numbers," he says."
The Ongoing Lack of Coverage & Outrage By The Mainstream Media Agendists & Their Anti-Catholic Buddies Speaks Volumes Of Their Hypocrite Agenda.
Simon Templar| 5.7.12 @ 5:50PM
Quin, not sure you know this, but the Catholic Council of Bishops is organizing a gigantic protest and education week sometime this summer coincidentally when the Supreme Court announces its decision. Discussion of civil disobedience is being considered. Priest and Nuns are discussing the value of being arrested and brought away in hand cuffs.
It is not over yet. Apparently the church's leaders nationally are pissed and going to do something about it....
Teaghan| 5.8.12 @ 8:25AM
In support of or against obamacare?
Simon Templar| 5.8.12 @ 12:10PM
Against.
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That is some first sentence.
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Tom Kyba| 5.7.12 @ 7:24PM
Expect stuff like this to continue. Almost every university in the western world is infested with these infantile Marxist, deconstructionist, Chomsky-sucking little worms who if plopped down in a small country school with basic math, science and geography texts etc. and told to teach the room of kids in front of them would sit for a minute, start drooling and peeing down their own legs and crying then spend the rest of the day staring at the bizarre alien tomes in front of them.
Bob S| 5.7.12 @ 9:28PM
The Catholic Church has started reorganizing the nuns in the US for falling to the temptations of liberalism. It should start demanding that Georgetown not associate itself with the Church by calling itself a Catholic university.
Teaghan| 5.8.12 @ 8:29AM
It isn't only the Catholic church that has gone down the socialist hole. The PCUSA has gone far left as well. I'm stuck in a liberal Presbyterian church, it being the only one in the rural area in which we live. The pastor is conservative but has to espouse from time to time some tidbits of liberal docterine that the higherups believe. It's so discouraging.
Simon Templar| 5.8.12 @ 12:16PM
Keep in mind that the church administration and leadership is more conservative than its US members. It is in the US that the church as whole has the greatest differences with US members not following their leadership's directives on a host of issues. Other nations are much more aligned with its teachings.