I’ve been an admirer of John Derbyshire’s writing for at least a
decade, though I’ve disagreed with him on a number of issues
(including his village atheist shtick and his
intemperate attack on pro-lifers), and was sorry to read about
his poor
health. His book We’re Doomed was a witty attempt to
reclaim the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative
pessimism.
Enough has been written about the column that ended Derbyshire’s
association with National Review. There is, however, a
bigger picture here. There are certain ideas about race that are
popular among liberals — that cases like Trayvon Martin’s aren’t
isolated tragedies but routine occurrences in racist America;
concerns about crime, especially black crime, are necessarily
racist; white racism explains the overwhelming majority of black
social problems; voter ID laws aren’t much different from poll
taxes and Bull Connor; the racial attitudes of the Jim Crow South
remain commonplace among white Americans — that are to many
Americans obvious nonsense.
A small but growing number of people on the right seem to be
embracing the idea that if these liberal observations are false,
then the exact opposite of them must be true: interracial harmony
is effectively impossible; affirmative action harms whites in
exactly the same way Jim Crow harmed blacks; the era that gave rise
to the civil rights movement wasn’t that bad; we are all at
imminent risk of being attacked by predominantly black flash mobs;
white racism doesn’t exist (proponents of this last bit seem
divided on the question of whether it should exist).
Needless to say, these views are also obvious nonsense.
It will be hard for us to live together as Americans if we
constantly believe the worst about each other.
lester| 4.9.12 @ 5:35PM
I wrote a little thing about it
http://lesterhalfjr.blogspot.c.....-derb.html
Chris | 4.9.12 @ 5:38PM
Jim Antle with the Obama-esque set up of the competing strawmen and the taking of the "sane" middle.
I waited for a thoughtful reply and I leave disappointed.
Occam's Tool| 4.9.12 @ 6:31PM
By the way, Derbyshire is actually on Chemo. Not as diffident as it seemed, apparently. He has also noted personality changes on the chemo.
How about leaving the poor bastard to his sickbed, eh? He screwed the pooch on this one. Well, who hasn't?
The problem is not racial in this, it is cultural, and it is made infinitely worse by Liberalism and its social policies, which demasculinizes Black men in impecunious circumstances. Men, deprived of purpose, have no outlet to appropriately sublimate aggressive tendencies. Further, boys raised without men have no elders to lick (and if necessary, cuff) them into shape. In short, Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama have done infinitely more harm to Blacks than Bull Connor ever did.
That's my clinical observation, based on long experience: "Men are all the same; he is best who trained in the severest school." Thucydides and I agree on that; that's why the boy is still read millenia after he lived.
Julian| 4.10.12 @ 12:42PM
And what about Jesus, who is also still read millenia after he lived? Would that be his take? I thought that a lot of the people who comment regularly were Christians. Guess not.
Chris| 4.9.12 @ 7:51PM
Strawmen indeed. How does one get from Leftist racial dogma to "interracial harmony is effectively impossible." Interracial harmony might work if, and it is a big IF, the Right is willing to fearlessly advance a few, actually conservative ideas.
1. People like being with people similar to them, this includes racial groups. Admitting that doesn't make one racist.
2. Racial groups do have general characteristics that are strengths and weaknesses. That doesn't devalue the importance of any group but may explain why group A isn't as good in a certain field as group B. A foot and hand are different, serve important roles, but are not the same in general.
3. Failing to admit that one group has a problem, in this case the complete collapse of the black family, is not going to solve the problem. And, there is nothing whites can do to solve it except make it a point to say that we'll take the necessary steps to avoid the results of that dysfunction and won't support that dysfunction economically.
4. None of the points above mean that the law treats any individual or group differently.
That's just a start.
W. James Antle III | 4.9.12 @ 8:37PM
Sorry to disappoint you, Chris, but these "straw men" are as best as I can tell what the critical race theorists and white nats of my acquaintance actually believe. Perhaps you can enlighten us to the contrary?
Bob K.| 4.10.12 @ 2:42AM
How can you come up with a nonsense statement like "A small but growing number of people on the right seem to be embracing the idea that...........affirmative action harms whites in exactly the same way that Jim Crow harmed blacks;" and not be surprised at being accused of setting up strawmen when you know damn well that the entire Affirmative Action set up has created much resentment among whites, and especially white males, against the entire structure of Affirmative Action; not just the portion applicable to Blacks?
The problem is not racial, cultural or sexual; it is political and bureaucratic and based on a mistrust and hatred of the idea of individual freedom set out in our Constitution.
Frankie| 4.10.12 @ 11:08AM
As an aside, you know what is really hilarious? That white women got themselves put on the "victim" side of Affirmative Action. It was a masterful coup, and proved yet once again that in the battle of the sexes, men, and especially white men, are unarmed.
Ryan| 4.10.12 @ 12:12PM
All political problems stem from cultural ones.
Chris (the second one)| 4.10.12 @ 8:52AM
"A small but growing number of people on the right seem to be embracing the idea that if these liberal observations are false, then the exact opposite of them must be true..."
This is why people consider the argument a strawman. What you list really hasn't been argued by most here. What has been argued is that there is a certain reality about general black behavior that whites should be aware of. Is that behavior fixed or is it a culture that can be changed? That's not the question for most posters here yet because people like you refuse to even address the issue of black behavior. So, jumping to what you think the conclusions are, i.e. if we address that blacks have a problem then that leads to white nationalism, is a way of setting up a strawman, knocking it down, and avoiding the first discussion. We can't move beyond Derbyshire if we don't agree that black behavior is getting worse and it is targetting whites more and more. Therefore, for now, a white person should take specific steps to protect oneself.
"It will be hard for us to live together as Americans if we constantly believe the worst about each other."
Maybe you should talk to Mr. Lord about this. We aren't Americans, that would be collectivist. We are radical individuals in a sea with other radical individuals.
Derek Leaberry| 4.10.12 @ 1:07PM
Having grown up in Prince George's County during the 70s busing fun and games and the county's racial demographic revolution that stemmed from the busing, I come from another, very jaded, perspective. "White flight" is real, tens of millions of white Americans have engaged in "white flight", and most of them are Republican voters today. The "white flighters" internalized what John Derbyshire wrote in the controversial column which got him fired. If certain conservative scribblers like the banal lightweight Rich Lowry think they can win brownie points from the culturesmog left by obliquely condemning a large percentage of conservative voters, that is their affair. Most conservative voters don't read people like Rich Lowry or magazines like NATIONAL REVIEW. They have better things to do like raising their families and going to church and doing their jobs.
A citizne| 4.9.12 @ 5:51PM
I'll take that for as much of a criticism of the right's throwing Derbyshire under the bus as we're likely to get in a mainstream publication. That counts for courage these days, so I'll tip the cap (a bit) to you. It depresses me to no end the foolishness of conservatives in giving in to the left's racial claptrap. Derbyshire always fought boldly against that, and my only regret was that his valedictory effort against it wasn't really his best, strongest critique. John is right though-- conservatism is indeed doomed-- because we have kowtowed to the left on all fo the important issues.
Clint| 4.9.12 @ 6:16PM
"The Tragedy in Florida and the National Tragedy
By Jim Darlington · Monday, March 26, 2012
"There is a Black on Black Race War that accounts for about 95% of the Blacks being slaughtered. Say between 14-18,000 a year. The other 5% are killed by Hispanics, Whites and an occasional "Other".
Josh River| 4.9.12 @ 6:48PM
“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” - Jesse Jackson
Phillip McKann| 4.9.12 @ 7:01PM
Anyone who does not recognize Derbyshire's statement as factual is willfully ignorant. You're welcome to have a larger, loftier philosophy about race and the human condition if it makes you feel superior. But white people are well-advised by Derbyshire to avoid groups of blacks, in particular black teens. That's the fact, Jack, and the supporting evidence is in the news every day. Every day.
All American American| 4.9.12 @ 8:05PM
There won't be racial harmony until the "other" races drop the hyphenated-American garbage and embrace American values and ideals. As long as they continue to put their tribes first and America last, there will never be racial harmony.
As a White American who grew up in Philadelphia (and watched the city become a nationwide laughingstock ghetto under black democratic "leadership"), this Trayvon nonsense is the last straw for me. I'm tired of waiting for the supposed large majority of blacks who allegedly share the same values to rise up and put a stop to the usual black race-baiting nonsense. That'll happen the same time the alleged majority of "peaceful, moderate" muslims take their "religion" back from those who "hijacked" it.
Blacks are black first. Fine. Go congregate and live together and try to figure out which one of you to take from to give to the majority of the rest. Then figure out what to do when that few who do have anything have nothing left and there are no evil White devils to take from. As for me and mine, we've moving soon and very soon to the Great White Northwest.
Done with blacks.
Please edit - fix| 4.9.12 @ 8:30PM
Mr. Antle wrote:
"Enough has been written about the column that ended Derbyshire's association with National Review. There is, however, a bigger picture here. There are certain ideas about race that are popular among liberals -- that cases like Trayvon Martin's aren't isolated tragedies but routine occurrences in racist America; concerns about crime, especially black crime, are necessarily racist; white racism explains the overwhelming majority of black social problems; voter ID laws aren't much different from poll taxes and Bull Connor; the racial attitudes of the Jim Crow South remain commonplace among white Americans -- that are to many Americans obvious nonsense.
A small but growing number of people on the right seem to be embracing the idea that if these liberal observations are false,...."
That needs reworking. Your job as a writer is clarity. Always.
And your one over the world statement shows how shallow your thinking is on this. You (Antle) wrote, "It will be hard for us to live together as Americans if we constantly believe the worst about each other."
This is not about believing. It is about knowing. Derbyshire is talking about being out in public and he is talking to teens. He is talking about crime statistics, real crime, violent crime, and bad behavior that can quickly escalate to something tragic.
That is not believing. It is known. And it is not a new phenomenon. I've been working on this issue off and on in inner cities, with troubled teens, with those on addictions for a quarter century.
We cannot wish this away.
It is a bit like wishing away the failures of Black protestant persuasion pastors who say nothing for years (and decades!) about abortion clinics mostly patronized by black women in the community. It is a bit like wishing away all the fatherless black children. It is a bit like wishing away the public school failures year after year.
One cannot argue with empirical law enforcement statistics garnered over 25 - 30 years.
This is not about believing. This is about knowing these horrendous problems in this segment of our society, seeing all the mountains of aid that have been pushed (or freely given in donations, time, effort, volunteers) and so often for naught.
It is about correctly confronting the problem.
W. James Antle III | 4.9.12 @ 8:44PM
Well, based on your response I was certainly not clear on one point I hoped to be: I wasn't commenting on Derbyshire's column. I have nothing new to add to that subject.
What I am posting on is the obvious falsity of various liberal cliches about race, which has led many to believe the white nats' falsehoods are wisdom.
PEF| 4.9.12 @ 9:06PM
I still don't think you are writing and communicating clearly. I guess I am really not very smart. (and probably not) What is "white nats'?"
Please, although I am dumb, please, if you are going to take the time to write here, write in plain English that readers can comprehend the very first time.
Example below:
Mr. Antle wrote: "Well, based on your response I was certainly not clear on one point I hoped to be: I wasn't commenting on Derbyshire's column."
Except that Derbyshire's name appears in the subject line of this blog post. And his name with appears twice in your very short blog. As does the title of his most recent book. And you comment on his views on several issues. And you are taking this time today to point out the differences you have with Derbyshire to...to do...to do what?
You already had in mind today to write and publish something about John Derbyshire?
Let's be clear. You comment on all of this in light of what occured at NR and the obvious heavy number of repsonses to TAS/ Jeffrey Lord's two blogs on John Derbyshire. Far more responses that your site ever gains on a blog post in so short a time.
And you are addressing "white nats' falsehoods as wisdom" -- whatever that is supposed to be.
So, no, I guess you are not commenting on Derbyshire's column.
All American American| 4.9.12 @ 9:22PM
PEF, I think "white nats" refers to White guys who play for the DC baseball club. Jayson Worth, Steven Strasburg, etc.
Drek| 4.9.12 @ 10:24PM
But what of those supposedly on our own side of the political divide, who took delight in the demise of Derbyshire, such as J Podhoretz?
There are many in our own ranks as eager to banish as some of our open and avowed opponents on the left?
Derek Leaberry| 4.10.12 @ 1:22PM
Remember that the Podhoretzes and the Kristols started off on the left and have remained on the left on many issues. Neo-conservatives are of the left.
Quartermaster| 4.10.12 @ 7:58PM
And NR/NRO became a Neocon rag when Buckly became a doddard. and installed intellectual and moral cowards like Rich Lowry (incidentally Rich Lowry is a coward ).
The only shining light over at NRO these days is Steyn. But, NR did not make him, they adopted him because of his stature.
C Bowen | 4.9.12 @ 8:31PM
Mr. Antle;
Dr. Fleming, who occasionally commissions you for an article, has a good post on Derbs:
http://www.chroniclesmagazine......y-knew-ye/
I have to add, I was hoping for a more evolved or clever take, rather than, in light of this Eastertide, washing the hands in manner of speaking.
DX| 4.9.12 @ 8:49PM
Guys like Antle and Lord need to see the utter exasperation on the faces of law enforcement officials in places like Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Detroit, Orlando, and New Orleans.
Can you really claim you have not read about the police finally nabbing the five guys who were part of that gang rape that left the girl of 16 for dead or the three guys who robbed that store and shot the owner? The police feel confident about the cases because there were witnesses.
Except experience tells the police differently. The nearer they get to the trial, the surer the police become that the "witnesses" will no longer testify.
ALL of the above takes place in black neighborhoods. The girl raped is black and she is raped by blacks. The dead shopkeeper is also black, killed by blacks. In both cases (and hundreds of others) the witnesses are blacks. The witnesses are fat 40-something black women who have for years lamented the gangs taking their little teen boys and turning them into crack dealers and pimps. These black women whine about this to the high heavens, but then it comes time to help fight back by testifying.
No way. It ain't gonna happen.
Even when the police talking to them and imploring them to help bring criminals to justice, even when these police are black themselves.
And we all know -- Just change the urban city name, the month, the year and repeat. And repeat. And repeat. Same story, over and over.
Richmond, St. Louis, Sacramento, Seattle, Mobile, Birmingham, Cincinatti, Newark....
Antle and Lord, you seem to find sanctimony in nonsense. Sure, even if 90% of a group commit crimes, it still means that 10% are good people. EVERYBODY knows this.
But this is like the muslims who don't call in fire on the jihaid hate-filled radical islamists in their midst, year after year, decade after decade.
You don't seem to understand that we don't want crime, strife, non-stop "drama" and being labeled "racists" even though all we want is harmony and getting along. And we've done everything humanly possible under the sun to try to get along.
When trouble, strife, ugliness, vulgarity, crime, lethal gangs, and pure unadulterated violence comes over and over and over from a certain segment of the population and you've tried everything under the sun to aid them with these issues, and NOTHING WORKS, well what does one then do?
Obvious isn't it, Mr. Antle? The first step is do as you and NR do -- shoot the honest, plain-speak truth-tellers. (okay, well, just fire them and while doing it lambast their credentials to make yourself feel better about it)
Longview| 4.9.12 @ 10:02PM
I think this shows a lot of the disconnect embodied by you in the Washington pundit subclass. Even though violent crime has been falling since the 90s and whites increasingly live in self-segregated environs where they're unlikely to ever encounter a black man less prestigious and perfumed than Barack (and by the way, affluent blacks self-segregate too) there is a growing confusion in flyover country as to why the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons are feeling their oats and more strident than ever. That is the same magazine (Nat Review) so worked up over the absurd New Black Panthers stalking the polling place. Do you wish to address the lose-lose problem conveyed by this phenomenon? Are you even capable of it?
I have no idea about your personal daily standards of being multiculturally nice n' tidy and don't need to, Antle. You're a political writer so maybe try writing about the politics and the source of contention, rather than flexing your post-racial bonafides, however honorable they may be. The more-tolerant-than-thou trope is immaterial outside of your cloistered virtual neighborhood.
Captnjoe| 4.9.12 @ 10:33PM
Mr. Antle,
Your remarks are shallow and insulting to those of us who, through experience, have learned that Derbyshire is speaking the truth.
Apparently you believe that those who speak the uncomfortable truth about racial groups are right wing reactionaries, swinging to the opposite end of the spectrum of the left wing race-baiters. You offer unsupported examples of our irrational beliefs (straw men mentioned previously), with no supporting facts or examples. How very progressive and left wing of you. Congratulations on simultaneously stooping to the lowest level of commentary, all while spouting the typical white guilt story line.
What you have made apparent is that you live a cloistered life away from the reality most Americans politely, and usually silently, live with.
I have a suggestion for you: the next time you feel the need to pass judgment on a conservative, please stay silent.
Drek| 4.9.12 @ 10:41PM
Who here believes that the left is interested in amicable relations between the races in this country?
If upwards near 90% of the eligible black electorate doesn't show up in presidential elections and vote Democrat, then the Democrat candidate loses.
The Democrats key demographic is the black vote, and they need that black vote in their corner, and any easement in the bitterness and grievance level of that community is viewed with extreme misgivings in the ranks of the left, because it tends to remove the key motivation the left has used to drive black voters to the polls.
It's the third rail for Democrats.
Thus any time a Republican or a Conservative speaks on the issue, they view his comments as a mortal threat to their continued political existence!
It all goes back to bad faith!
Remember David Horowitz's great book about the left: "THE POLITICS OF BAD FAITH."
Mike W| 4.9.12 @ 11:00PM
Two hits on Derb coming from a web site that has simply refused to address the Trayvon Martin absurdity.
The only thing the TAS has going for it is that it is free. It pains me to think of ever paying money for these guilty white conservatives to blather about the non-issues of the day.
tsmslf| 4.10.12 @ 12:29AM
Add me to the list of those failing to follow the logic of Antle et al. I've been around 80+ years now and, in all that time, 1/3rd of our nation's existence, black Americans as a group have contributed little to the country other than trouble. It is too bad Lincoln didn't do what he said was best and return blacks from whence they came. I wonder Mr. Antle if you'd like to take an evening stroll with me through L.A.'s South Central? Move into a Harlem penthouse? Open a business in the black section of Philadelphia or Detroit? How about writing for a black newspaper? You won't do any of those things and you and we all know why. You would likely be killed. Plus you can say almost the same about hispanics, whether born here or not. Neither group, black or brown, contributes much to America in proportion to its percentage of the population. Derbyshire was precisely factual; evry sensible father has that talk with his daughters especially and his sons certainly.
It is high time for Americans who think as I've just written to stand up, speak out and do away with this PC wishy-washy. Perhaps we do need a race war. At least then we whites/Asians will fight back and not just let this destructive ignoring the truth continue.
Russell| 4.10.12 @ 2:05AM
The truth that sets men free is seldom the one TAS sees fit to print.
Derbyshire's case merely illustrates that under Lowry , the post-Buckley National Review has become as predictable ,boring and in its own way vicious as the post Mencken American Mercury.
MikeN| 4.10.12 @ 9:46AM
People should buy one of his books. His math books are quite excellent and accessible to nonmath people.
P.E. Circenses | 4.10.12 @ 10:07AM
Ugh, "racism" is the (not so) new "heresy" in these modern times, causing knee-jerk responses and turning off critical thinking. Shouldn't people be free to believe what they want and express it without being fired, or condemned? Anti-Christians certainly are! When "racism" is charged, however, all shrink and run - even stalwart conservatives. Why? John Derbyshire isn't burning crosses or telling people to harm blacks? His statements are born out by statistics - nearly all violent crime statistics prove that whites are much more likely victims of blacks than the other way around. He's expressing a preference to not be around them - isn't that his right? Aren't we still allowed to like or dislike whomever we want for whatever reason we want? Jeremiah Wright is allowed to. Al Sharpton is allowed to. etc etc etc. Are we just not permitted to say it out loud? Articles like yours make this problem worse. Let people say what they like - it will help both blacks and whites eventually. However, one-sided outrage and intimidation like yours only makes things worse.
ncatty| 4.10.12 @ 10:42AM
Dubois said the story of the 20th century would be "the color line." I guess it continues into the 21st century.
R & E| 4.10.12 @ 10:53AM
There was a very ugly (vulgar, foul language throughout) movie that Clint Eastwood did maybe 3 or 4 years ago? I guess he directs and acts now in his own movies.
Gran Torino. That's the movie name.
The setting is California. He plays a military veteran and a really ugly, hard nosed, vile, foul-mouthed retiree who seems to hate everyone.
Much to his displeasure, he slowly gets to know his Asian (Cambodian?) neighbors. And then, as the story unfolds, aids them.
I'm not trying to give props to Eastwood. I think one could have conveyed all of this in a much more family-friendly movie script. So don't watch this with your wife, teens. And don't go see this when you need a pick-me-up.
Thinking about this movie and its storyline, I wonder if Eastwood caught flak for this from the blacks?
Did the black affirmative action industrial complex try to take on Dirty Harry over this? Much as I might dislike this movie and the way it was done, it seems like it represents a lot of USA reality from coast to coast today.
See an example YouTube clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8coq2cUn1U
The problem is that even these three poser black male hood thugs still come across as candysweet Hollywood actors. On the street? On the real street, black hood males are much worse.
Why do white males like Lord and Antle pretend otherwise?
Paul Kotik| 4.10.12 @ 11:32AM
You mean, "Why can't we all just get along?"
Yeah, the Left would love that, alright.
iamme73| 4.10.12 @ 12:27PM
I think for many black Americans, they don't think black people will walk around and get shot just for being black.
What most black Americans experience is going places and it being made known that they aren't welcomed. Being followed and viewed suspiciously with the understanding that they are being watched. I think that happens a lot in America to a lot of black people everyday.
The term "black crime" is racist. Crime is crime. Unless someone is going to make the distinction that black criminals are different from other criminals or that crime that occurs involving black criminals have a different cause, then how doesn't the term "black crime" convey anything but this idea of separating black Americans from other Americans.
Also so called black crime has been in a big decline for over a decade.
In terms of so called "black social problems" being the result of white racism. I don't even know what that means. This is the problem with too many people, they don't think about black people, don't really care about those issues, and when they attempt to write about black people they really don't give much thought at all about the words they use, so they throw up a bunch of nonsense.
Quartermaster| 4.10.12 @ 8:07PM
There is nothing at all racist about the term "black crime." It is simply crime committed by blacks just as "white crime" is committed by whites. Your assertion is silly in the extreme.
Blacks are not welcomed precisely because of the race hustlers and the crime that follows them. No one wants to be taken because of some historical thing they had nothing to do with. Just watch the behavior of the race hustlers and the rioting that takes place when a black thug gets shot in the commission of a crime. All the while they murder each other with near impunity. No sensible person wants that kind of stuff around them and stereotypes are built from facts whether we like it or not. We see far too much on the news to be able to wish it all away as the left would have us do.
Quartermaster| 4.10.12 @ 8:09PM
So the New Black Panther Party has called for killing crackers for Trayvon. Kind of kills the narrative of the self anointed anti-racists. And the "right" is worried about what Derb had to say?