The American Spectator

Dai Alanye| 2.14.12 @ 10:01AM

Yes, it makes all the sense in the world to: 1. abort children who could be tomorrow's workers, 2. pay high welfare and lengthy unemployment benefits to encourage workers to stay home, 3. import foreigners to perform the "jobs Americans won't do" while lowering the level of wages.

If this isn't a formula for societal failure I don't know what is.

Floyd Looney| 2.14.12 @ 10:18AM

Wrong on all points.

National suicide.

Ross Kaminsky| 2.14.12 @ 10:38AM

Actually, if you want to see national suicide, look at Japan, and to a lesser degree western Europe, where the lack of immigration is leading to shrinking work forces and the rapid collapse of their welfare states.

People so often say stuff like "national suicide" without giving one bit of evidence to support it.

And you wonder why the GOP can't get the Hispanic vote, which should lean conservative...

Sean| 2.14.12 @ 11:19AM

So your point is you need a growing population to support a ponzi scheme. Personally I could do with out the ponzi schemes and cut off most immigration. We no longer need poor third world country immigrants by the millions. I am not convinced that we need many so called highly skilled immigrants either.

Do you know why the GOP can't get the Hispanic vote? Because recent hispanic citizens support government welfare state. It is the same reason can't the GOP get the black or Jewish vote?

Ed| 2.14.12 @ 11:41AM

But, Sean, lateenoos have extraordinary family values. Don't let the actual stats fool you. They all come here for work. Don't let the crime stats or gang involvement fool you. You, like all immigration critics, are just a dumb Anglo. Why, an uneducated group of illiterates who were the underclass in their third world country just scream natural Republican or Libertarian constituency.

Mike W| 2.14.12 @ 12:16PM

You are not only, you are irrationally wrong. Floyd has it correct - it is national suicide.

Perhaps your open borders/import massive third world low IQ, low skilled philosophy might be better suited for the Daily Kos.

Tancredo Fan| 2.14.12 @ 12:33PM

Lack of immigration in Western Europe? What planet do you live on? Western Europe is being flooded by millions of immigrants, legal and illegal, every year, to the economic and cultural detriment of Europe.

We need a 10-year moratorium on immigration, legal and illegal, and after that, NO MORE than 50,000 legal immigrants should be admitted in any fiscal year.

Red Phillips| 2.14.12 @ 3:58PM

That's because the Japanese, like us Westerners, refuse to procreate at replacement rates, not because they won't let in a bunch of aliens.

Japan realizes, because they aren't as hamstrung by political correctness, that a Japan that ceases to be Japanese will cease to be Japan.

Dai Alanye| 2.14.12 @ 4:25PM

"Japan… where the lack of immigration is leading to shrinking work forces"

Dead wrong! Where family limitation is leading to shrinking population. Watch China next.

I don't consider Kaminsky stupid but he certainly has a predilection for making statements that are either illogical or plain false.

Ross Kaminsky| 2.14.12 @ 5:29PM

It's true that the local populations in most countries with advanced economies are not reproducing at replacement rate. That's why immigration is important.

And as far as Europe goes, yes, there is movement with the EU and immigration from elsewhere.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa......oup,_2009_(1).png&filetimestamp=20111125175238

When I look at European immigration, I see plenty of Muslims coming into those nations, which they're starting to push back against but the Muslim populations have lots of kids so it's a losing battle.

Meanwhile, we have lots of non-Muslims who want to come here to work (though not during the recent recession), and the idea that letting them come in is dangerous to the nation is itself dangerous.

Dai Alanye| 2.14.12 @ 11:10PM

Kaminsky's arguments on this subject are so self-contradictory as to hardly need refutation from others. In this post he seems to be suggesting that instead of encouraging procreation by native populations, nations should import immigrants who will overwhelm the native culture by weight of numbers.

He appears to have bought into a utopian open borders theory where all our problems vanish by gaining an unlimited supply of cheap labor. Let's call this the Bill Gates Syndrome. Or maybe the Jefferson Davis Syndrome.

Quartermaster| 2.14.12 @ 7:15PM

"Should lean conservative." We see this manure all the time from the elites. Sorry, but even the overwhelming majority of the upscale Latinos vote Dem. They hear some one telling them they'l get something for them, and just like Blacks, they fall all over themselves to vote for the bribes.

We have trouble getting all our Computer Science and Engineers employed. We don't need the wet backs coming in and taking the jobs from citizens.

Japan is like most western countries in that they established a retirement program, so the adults quit having kids as it got more expensive because of taxation. It now costs, from what I understand, about $9000 for a normal birth. Then you have a ton of money to put out to raise the kid to adulthood. Ponzi scheme retirement programs are the suicide pact, not a lack of immigration. All immigration gets you is more lower class uneducated people to drag you down. Immigration of late has been a net loss. A large one.

Ed| 2.14.12 @ 10:58AM

Which should lean conservative? I realize that's Linda Chavez's routine but why do you think that should be? They are uneducated and given free goodies when they come to the U.S. Why would anyone who is rational turn that down? Out of wedlock births with multiple fathers-through the roof. Poor family structure and lack of education do not a conservative voter make. Are you drawing the conclusion that they have learned conservative values in the pews of the Catholic Church. If you are, you haven't been paying much attention to the news for the last couple of weeks.

Ed| 2.14.12 @ 11:07AM

So, France and England bringing in the Muslim immigrants which they do, with those immigrants then going on the dole or establishing Sharia beachheads, is actually a boon to those societies? They just aren't enlightened enough to know it?

buckeyeman| 2.14.12 @ 11:17AM

I held my nose and read the linked article. What utter nonsense. Mr. Boudreaux's "hypotheticals" were downright hallucinatory. And don't try to pull that libertarian crap on us. I'm a libertarian too, but how does being a libertarian support the idea of someone moving into my guest room, eating all the food in my refrigerator, and raping my sheep?

The true libertarian response is to END THE WELFARE STATE, a thought that the pretend "libertarian" Boudreaux skipped over as he gaily described how the welfare state steals my money to hand it out to both the low skilled and high skilled illegal aliens alike. That's supposed to make it OK??

When I graduated from high school in 1968 the US population was 200 million and things were just fine. Please explain how devouring our native land to accommodate over 100 million new "residents" has made our country better. Do we need to have the same population density as Calcutta? What's the point? The "never-ending-growth paradigm of economics is a rapacious tool of the Ponzi-scheme socialists, not a libertarian ideal. In fact, the obvious conclusion embedded in Mr. Boudreaux's article is that ALL immigration should stop, including student visas (we're exporting our intellectual capital), but much, much more importantly, that we must end the welfare state.

I like most of your writings, Ross, but your position on immigration, both legal and illegal remains mystifying and disappointing to me.

Saul| 2.14.12 @ 12:05PM

Some places probably need immigrants,places like Nebraska,Iowa,North Dakota. Places with low populations and strong economies. Other places,like Illinois not so much.

Bill| 2.14.12 @ 12:07PM

Fixing the immigration mess:
1. Deport all illegals
2. No amnesty or DREAM Act
3. English will be the ONLY official language
4. E-verify all workers
5. No federal money for sanctuary cities
6. Drop litigation against AZ, SC, AL , GA over immigration laws

Tancredo Fan| 2.14.12 @ 12:31PM

You forgot about one important solution:

A 10-year moratorium on legal immigration, after which, no more than 50,000 immigration visas should be issued for any FY.

Any politician who does not support a moratorium on legal immigration is not serious about solving the immigration problem and does not deserve to be elected dog catcher, let alone President. And that means all 4 of the current GOP candidates.

Bill| 2.14.12 @ 12:42PM

I agree with you 110%.

Dai Alanye| 2.14.12 @ 4:27PM

Why isn't Bill backing Santorum rather than Amnesty-Newt?

Red Phillips| 2.14.12 @ 4:22PM

Also ending birthright citizenship, which is a misreading of the Constitution to begin with.

Mike W| 2.14.12 @ 12:18PM

The welfare state that we have, and will continue to have, is completely incompatible. Boudreaux was spitting out irrational junk.

Derek Leaberry| 2.14.12 @ 12:19PM

One of the great truths about libertarians is that they are economic reductionists. They would pave over Yellowstone Park if it made economic sense. They are diffident about culture to the point of nihilism. That is why libertarians are not conservative while men like Wendell Berry and Hilaire Belloc, neither of whom worshiped at the false idol of the absolute free market, are conservative.

Look how Mr. Kaminsky interprets his examples of economic failure. Although I would agree that Japan's declining birth rate is a sign of moral decline, because Japan has not opened the flood gates to immigrants Japan remains culturally Japanese. The Japan of 2050 will be rather similar to the Japan of today, albeit with fewer Japanese. And so might Western Europe although their lavish welfare states will be much reduced, a good thing from a conservative perspective. Western Europe's foolishness has been their lax immigration laws, especially with regards to immigrants from the Middle East, West Africa and the Caribbean. Western Europe should not only raise the immigration wall, millions of immigrants should be paid to return to their places of origin.

JimH| 2.14.12 @ 1:15PM

I suggest that secure property rights in a truly free market undistorted by government policies is a far better way to defend the environment and natural beauty. Look at what any communist or former communist country has done massive pollution, beautiful valleys submerged, seas emptied, and millions driven from their homes and relocated thousands of miles away. In non-communist countries without the proper rule of law and secure property rights the damage may be less but only because the state is not quite so powerful. The Amazon rainforest is not privately owned or where it is, the owner’s rights are not respected as crooked governments allow for its despoliation in return for bribes or a piece of the profits. I’d rather trust the market than the good will of a politician.

jpcan| 2.14.12 @ 12:42PM

If I'm not mistaken, Ross is a neocon (liberal Jewish Republican) and as such, he is often motivated by thoughts of "social justice" and the "morality" of immigration?

Morality of immigration? WTF?

Immigration is a mad-made policy which can be changed, started, stopped, alterred in numerous ways, increased, decreased, etc. Mass immigration is nothing but a voter registration drive for the Democrat Party.

Get a clue Ross. Or perhaps you would be more at home in your natural party of the Democrats.

Ross Kaminsky| 2.14.12 @ 5:31PM

"If I'm not mistaken", you say...but you are mistaken, right off the bat. Therefore, it's clearly not worth reading the rest of your comment.

jpcan| 2.14.12 @ 5:37PM

At least I'm honest and humble enough to begin with "If I'm not mistaken" Ross baby, unlike your hilarious neocon, open borders shilling for "diversity" and the business lobby.

You're sure you're not a neocon Ross? You have all the tell-tale views.

I could educate you on immigration (your boy Reid as well) but you'd rather speak in cliches'.

GW| 2.14.12 @ 12:45PM

Ross, you are getting hammered for this and rightfully so. What matters most to a country isn't its GDP numbers or stock market growth but its people. Immigration directly changes the very nature of the people by merging the native population with its own language, beliefs, culture, and ideals with one completely alien to it. Assimilation takes generations to fully occur, and even then the only successful assimilation tends to occur with people of the same race. Blacks still haven't been integrated with the dominant White culture of the US, and there is no reason to believe the East Asian, hispanic, and Indian immigrants of today will become the next German or Irish immigrants of our great-grandfathers.

Ross Kaminsky| 2.14.12 @ 5:32PM

This is the same argument that people have been making in this country for generations. It's always some fear about what this or that group of immigrations will do to the economy or the culture. And it's pretty much always bulls**t.

GW| 2.14.12 @ 6:53PM

Yeah, Detroit and East St. Louis are just wonderful places. Try speaking English in parts of L.A. We didn't have these problems in the 1950s, bud.

GW| 2.14.12 @ 12:47PM

We should also be less concerned with "winning the hispanic vote" and more concerned with eliminating the hispanic vote. The GOP, like it or hate it, (I tend to like it) is the party of White Americans. If the GOP wants to survive in its current form, it should explicitely try and keep Whites the dominant racial group in the US. Unless and until the GOP can get a clear majority of immigrants to vote for it, any immigration will be ceding power to the Dems. It's basic math.

ncatty| 2.14.12 @ 1:13PM

We might as well take down the Statue of Liberty since it will be of no further use. "The party of white Americans"? I hope this is sarcasm.

Red Phillips| 2.14.12 @ 4:20PM

Demographically speaking the GOP is the party of white Americans (particularly middle class white folks in flyover country) and increasingly so. Who votes for Republicans? That is not a value judgement. That is a fact. It is a fact that has been pointed out in the AmSpec article and book The Ruling Class for example. You can't argue with hard numbers so please spare me your indignation.

ncatty| 2.14.12 @ 4:40PM

I reject racial identity politics, that is the game of the left. Parties should be about ideas. The party that can convince the body politic it has the best ideas prevails. If the GOP is the party of white people, then let the census decide elections and save us all the trouble of actually voting.

Red Phillips| 2.14.12 @ 4:51PM

I don't care what you reject or don't reject. That the voting base of the GOP is overwhelmingly white is a FACT. Just as the observations that blacks and Jews, for example, overwhelmingly vote Democrat is a fact. But please don't let reality stand in the way of your tidy argument.

Ross Kaminsky| 2.14.12 @ 5:32PM

That is a reprehensible comment.

GW| 2.14.12 @ 6:57PM

Don't care. I have more ties to this republic than you do. My ancestry fought for independence against the British, against each other over slavery, to clean up the messes of Europe twice, and to free your people from the Nazis since apparently they couldn't do it themselves. Spare me the feigned anger.

rssg| 2.14.12 @ 1:32PM

Just what we need......to balloon the population up to half a billion - that's what the political elite want (both parties) and the media and academia and the business lobby.

Why? For what purpose? So the political whores can have people dependent on their "social programs" in exchange for votes.

Reid Smith| 2.14.12 @ 3:12PM

When it comes to libertarianism and immigration, I go right to the source:

"The overriding impact of immigrants is to strengthen and enrich American culture, increase the total output of the economy, and raise the standard of living of American citizens. Immigrants are advantageous to the United States for several reasons: (1) Since they are willing to take a chance in a new land, they are self-selected on the basis on motivation, risk taking, work ethic, and other attributes beneficial to a nation. (2) They tend to come to the United States during their prime working years (the average age is 28), and they contribute to the workforce and make huge net contributions to old-age entitlement programs, primarily Social Security. (3) Immigrants tend to fill niches in the labor market where demand is highest relative to supply, complementing rather than directly competing with American workers. (4) Many immigrants arrive with extremely high skill levels, and virtually all, regardless of skill level, bring a strong desire to work. (5) Their children tend to reach high levels of achievement in American schools and in society at large."

From a little outfit calling themselves the Cato Institute.

I'd say Boudreaux gets it right.

Red Phillips| 2.14.12 @ 4:12PM

Good grief Reid! Not you too?

rssg| 2.14.12 @ 4:17PM

Hey genius.......with a 11-15% unempl0yment rate the "new normal", you are seriously argueing for millions more to come here? What a joke.

You libertarian boys need to stop your chronic masturbation over the beauty of "pure" free market economics.

A nation is more than just economics, Einstein.

Dai Alanye| 2.14.12 @ 4:40PM

Trust "Reid The Kid" Smith to go for theory instead of observed reality. Had he been born a few centuries earlier he'd have believed in the theory of epicycles rather than the observations which led to a heliocentric system.

A nice long tour in the Marine Corps by way of seasoning is what I prescribe for him.

rssg| 2.14.12 @ 4:55PM

Well puit Dai Alanye.....our little boy Reid needs some boot camp to make a man out of him.

Otherwise, he's just another limp-wristed member of the "commentariat". Ooh, how scary smart they are! ROTFLMAO!

Reid Smith| 2.14.12 @ 8:52PM

I think migration, in general, is an incredibly complex topic.

I was merely supporting the fact that libertarians (of the type you find at places like Cato, GMU and Mercatus) tend to support immigration as part of a robust economy.

And to the poster below...Believe me, I have no illusions of being "scary smart." For instance, I have no idea what "ROTFLMAO" means.

Red Phillips| 2.14.12 @ 4:11PM

Leave it to Davos Man Kaminsky to make the argument for increased immigration. Because for people like Kaminsky nations aren't real blood and soil entities, they are just random collections of economic units that some of us nostalgic throwbacks call people. Nations and all that sovereignty business are simply artificial obstacles that get in the way of economic efficiency.

So Kaminsky argues for military interventionism and mass immigration. What us real conservatives (you know, those of us who actually want to conserve something) call the "invade the world, invite the world" mindset.

What should be obvious to everyone, but apparently isn't given the number of people who are both immigration and defense hawks, is that the interventionist mindset naturally leads to the open borders mindset. The immigration restrictionist and the non-interventionist mindset naturally flow together. All the immigration restrictionist but military globalist need to think about that. You are working at cross purposes, something Kaminsky at least understands.

Ross Kaminsky| 2.14.12 @ 5:33PM

Where did I call for military interventionism?

Red Phillips| 2.14.12 @ 8:50PM

What was your "Murderous Iranian Thinking" post if not a contribution to the fear-mongering about Iran and an implicit appeal to "do something" about the Iranian "threat?"

Zbigniew Mazurak| 2.15.12 @ 3:30AM

Once again, you've shown what an idiot and an ideologically blinded fool you are. For you, anyone who points out the facts about Iran, or even dares to criticize the Islamic Republic, is an interventionist and is guilty of "fear-mongering" about Iran.

The Iranian threat is real, grave, and growing. Someone tried to assassinate Israeli Ambassadors in India and Georgia - that is a fact. That is not a matter for dispute. There are only two potential suspects, Syria and Iran, and since Assad is too smart to know that doing this at a time when his regime's survival is at stake would be foolish, we are left with one possibility.
And before you even claim that Iran is not working on nuclear weapons: BS. Iran is working on uranium deuteride, which has NO civilian applications. Its only use is as a trigger for nuclear weapons. That, by itself, is irrefutable evidence that Iran is working on nuclear weapons. You are owned yet again, fool.

Zbigniew Mazurak| 2.15.12 @ 3:26AM

"What should be obvious to everyone, but apparently isn't given the number of people who are both immigration and defense hawks, is that the interventionist mindset naturally leads to the open borders mindset. The immigration restrictionist and the non-interventionist mindset naturally flow together. All the immigration restrictionist but military globalist need to think about that. You are working at cross purposes, something Kaminsky at least understands."

Garbage. I am a defense hawk, but I support restrictionist immigration policies (albeit not a legal immigration moratorium, which would only worsen the illegal immigration problem; the right solution is a points-based system combined with a cap on annually-granted visas like the one used by Australia and Canada). So your claim that the "interventionism mindset" (which is a slur that you ascribe to everyone who supports a strong defense and/or recognizes that military interventions abroad are sometimes necessary) inevitably and nautrally leads to an "open borders" mindset, or that the two naturally flow together, is BS. Similarly, your claim that the "immigration restrictionist and the noninterventionist mindset naturally flow together" is BS, and if BS were currency, you would've been able to bail out this state of California here by yourself. A perfect example of why what you say, is, as usual, BS, is your beloved Ron Paul, who is an ideological "noninterventionist", and yet supports open borders and even more lax immigration laws than the current ones; in other words, he wants to GROW the immigration spigot, knowing full well what that would mean: giving the entire country the electorate of California by the end of this decade and thus making any reductions of the size and scope of government - federal, state, or local - completely impossible. For the example of an opposite type of politician - tough on immigration but strong on defense - see Tom Tancredo, or at least the Tom Tancredo of 2008, when he supported a strong defense and a tough foreign policy. I don't know what his policies on these issues are now, and I don't think he cares, since he's sadly always really been a one-issue candidate.

If RP were a real limited government supporter, he would've been calling for the toughest restrictions on illegal (and legal) immigration: a border fence, troops on the border, supporting AZ's SB1070, mandating E-Verify, cutting off funds to sanctuary cities, banning any benefits and DLs for illegal aliens throughout the country, eliminating most visa categories, correcting the interpretation of the 14th Amendment to end birthright citizenship , and instituting a points-based system in lieu of the current family-based system.

You falsely claim that people like me call for "What us real conservatives (you know, those of us who actually want to conserve something) call the "invade the world, invite the world" mindset."

This is utter garbage. No one is calling for invading the world, or even half of it. Very few people (except a small group of neocons like McCain, Graham, and the AEI crowd) are calling for any new invasion of any country. What we defense conservatives are calling for (and neither McCain nor Graham is one of us - both of them are weak on defense) is a strong defense second to none and reserving the option of intervening militarily abroad, which is sometimes necessary. Sometimes, although not always, and not even in most cases. But for ideological "noninterventionists" like you, who are blinded by your ideology, it is impossible to to understand that or to learn the facts about this world. Not my problem. I'm not going to waste my time educating those who are not willing to learn, such as yourself. It's late here in CA.

Ed| 2.14.12 @ 4:17PM

5. Certainly not with immigrants from Mexico; 4. Mexican immigrants-uneducated and illiterate, working menial jobs where they compete with the poorest in society; 3. Construction trades undercut mercilessly, just to name one example, by our third world skilled craftsmen; 2. Riight, working off the books and using fake ss #'s, the Linda Chavez argument; 1. See 2. Don't let the Real World get in the way of the Libertarian Utopia you envision.

Your Inner Voice| 2.14.12 @ 5:10PM

I know it's cliche and all but anyone remember a country called Rome? History provides lot's of template examples of civilizations come-and-gone, and most of the great ones longer in duration than ours. Ours crested at least a quarter of a century ago (our Rome-like foreign wars notwithstanding) and, along with the lead anchors we are inextricably tied to like Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, etc., we are going under (with the Western civilization) fast.
Rome's imported labor, slaves and free tradesmen and soldiers eventually turned Rome into something not Roman (and its ex-mercenaries began repeatedly attack and sack Rome. Victor Davis Hanson would describe something frightfully similar going on here in the US, except we are much more closely tied to sinking powers in a global economy with weapons like nukes/EMPs, lasers, robot flying-computer weapons platforms and etc. Its no longer female's business to have children, and no longer men's business to be responsible about or for anything (as taught to them by their accidental mommies who don't get around to exterminating them soon enough), and these things add up not just to loss of world dominance, but ultimately slavery to rising powers. History does NOT lie about the future; what has been will be again.

Ross Kaminsky| 2.14.12 @ 5:34PM

Very interesting to read all your comments. Interesting and depressing...and not because of anything you say about me personally.

The various xenophobic and economically ignorant comments make me quite glad that I am not a "conservative."

Your Inner Voice| 2.14.12 @ 6:03PM

"Illegal" means things like using a Connecticut social security number and having a foreign national father and a mother too young at his birth to confer citizenship on her child. If I use a soc sec# from a state I'm not born in I go to jail (but then I don't have a Hungarian communist buddy like Soros, and a bomber and a cop killer as my best friends either). I didn't spend much (any) of my childhood in America-hating Muslim countries learning the Koran, or "community organize" under the doctrines of devil-worshipping Saul Alinsky.
"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean someone is not out to get me"
The POTUS office is the only one with a Constitutional LAW requiring "natural born" citizenship in the entire country, state and Federal for very good reasons. The Illegal-in-Chief doesn't meet the law's most basic requirements, and everything he has done in office is therefore null-and-void, legally speaking.

GW| 2.14.12 @ 7:06PM

Yeah, your brand of libertarianism sure makes sense. "Let's import a bunch of barely literate, low-skilled mexicans who can give birth to children gaining automatic citizenship and vote for big government programs! That's the best way to promote liberty and economic freedom! Elect Democrats permanently!"

Keep calling us names. But when the country turns majority-minority and racial tension gets worse, don't blame the Christian White man who built the country and gave your people safe refuge.

Mike W| 2.15.12 @ 8:55AM

Whatis depressing is that so called "conservatives" such as Kaminsky are still pushing the Chamber of Commerce line and slurring opponents with the "xenophobic" tag. Xenophobe essentially means KKK member to most of the current media elite.

It is depressing that someone on this site is actually calling for more immigration of low skilled labor. It almost makes me think it is a hopeless situation, but then I remember it is just some relatively unknown blogger on TAS and I get over it.

Your Inner Voice| 2.15.12 @ 10:27AM

There is a reason many of us call Libertarians the Anarchy Party. They don't believe in upholding troublesome laws (the laws they don't like) and really are O.K. with the flood of dope and slave labor over the borders, and are globalists who don't much care for "nationalism" of borders and patriotism (more of the one-worlder types) and sovereignty. Mr Kaminsky is an investor. His world is market gambling, not working in a shop, or construction site, or a warehouse floor. He doesn't have to put up with what us little people put up with everyday, and he doesn't live on the border. He can call people names, and shrug off us "xenos", 'cause his world is "international" through his computer. He has no problem with who rules over him as long as he keeps making money, and companies that use slaves make money. He is not so alarmed about an illegal alien president, as he does not see that it makes much change in his world.

Your Inner Voice| 2.16.12 @ 10:23AM

And here is what V.D. Hanson has to say on a related topic (that mean old xenophobe!)
http://townhall.com/columnists.....page/full/

Brittanicus| 2.14.12 @ 6:20PM

There is only one concluding way to rid illegal aliens from the United States, which is throw out those radical Politicians, Governors, mayors, judges police chiefs and every elected official, city manager and councilman who are anti-sovereignty and pamper them with taxpayer dollars. Their oaths of allegiance are meaningless to them as they have shown by their pro-illegal immigration agenda's. Both political parties have been complicit in the flood of illegal migrants and immigrants that is estimated to be well over 20 million, not the numbers calculated by the US census bureau? Our only chance of stopping this scattering pestilence is to support the business mandatory E-Verify program and the Birthright citizenship Act that must be introduced in Congress right now.

Join the TEA PARTY, the People's Party of America and vote a senate and house into office, displacing all those politicians and elected officers who protect illegal migrants and immigrants and betrayed the lawful U.S. Populace. These old party agenda is profit, votes and exploitation, and are in collusion with churches, unions, foreign governments and radical organizations and special interest groups. Illegal immigration has been forced on taxpayers through ‘UNFUNDED MANDATES’. These acts include free health care, free schooling, and has attributed to the loss of safety-net for Americans; coerced on citizens and lawful residents by liberal influenced courts.

Frosty Wooldridge said in his latest article:

Every indicator that our country is failing shows up daily with 15 million unemployed, 7 million underemployed, 46 million Americans subsisting on food stamps, $700 billion annual trade deficit, $15 trillion national debt, endless wars that cost $15 billion monthly and thousands of kids dropping out of high school daily. I have said it before: illiteracy defines a third world country. With 42 million functionally illiterate Americans, we are well on our way. Nonetheless, Congress pumps over 125,000 immigrants into this country every 30 days. I am beyond exasperated as to why and how we can do this to our country.

Learn more at NumbersUSA, how the government is defying the U. S. Constitution and the laws that govern us. Investigate even more the terrible penalty our nation pays, for unending spending on foreign nationals at American Patrol. Seek out your politician either by phone at 202-224-3121, or go their office in person. Proclaim to them they are–OUT–if they vote for any kind of AMNESTY, disguised as Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

betwyan| 2.14.12 @ 7:51PM

The Political Class, i.e., the Beltway, the Neocons, the Establishment GOPers as well as of course, 100% of liberals/Democrats (and the "news" media) need all to be well, "run out of town" to put it mildly.

The country should be broken apart and let the "diversity" loving, open borders cheerleaders, live among the "immigrants" they advocate for.

Wait, no the political class and the commentariant, live behind iron gates, don't they? Their kids don't go to the same schools as Turd World kids, do they?

White, native born American families are forced to accomodate the Turd World in our home towns and schools, aren't we?

The Political Class' (and the commentariat's) days are winding down.......

Oldefarte| 2.14.12 @ 8:30PM

With both the high [and low] skilled immigrant, governmental welfare is the stated problem. If said welfare was to be say eliminated to both the high and the low skilled immigrant, then possibly problem solved. Additionally the illegality of both needs to be addressed, in that if the law is such that they must be enter this country legally, then the illegal immigration of both should be stopped entirely [otherwise the law is violated]. Since the law of immigration states that they must enter by legal means, then to not do so should result in their being found, documented, ID'd, allowed to stay temporarily and/or deported. As Lasorda once said, RULES ARE RULES!!!!

fortytwo| 2.14.12 @ 8:48PM

Anyone who is "okay" with this current illegal and legal immigration of the hispanics don't live with them or work with them. Reid, I know for certain that if you found yourself among these baby making, sneaky, low life, uneducated nothing but trouble folks you would be speaking very differently. You live in a predominantly upper class white neighborhood where you see the mexicans coming and going real quickly after cutting your lawn. And you look at them with such distant concern and your heart goes tender and you want to help them and welcome them into YOUR country...When it gets down to it what country do you love and will you protect? These people don't like Americans, they don't like you, and say everything they can think of to insult Americans behind their closed doors! They ARE here to use us and try to "take over" -Wake UP! They are taking our jobs, they are ruining our neighborhoods and schools. And for you to say that their children end up doing well, blah blah blah- where have you been? The quality of much of our customer service esp. in California and definitely in Los Angeles is so pitiful I almost wish it was 1987 again when Americans had these jobs and did them well, but what we're getting now forget it, in order to bring them up to the level of service that we're use to, well that would cost us even more money. Reid, when they start to infringe on your world and it will happen sooner than later, you can then ask GW to kick you in the a#%.

Dave Francis| 2.23.12 @ 11:29PM

There is so much corruption in Washington and the state level, which is why illegal entry is not a felony. This is unquestionable tyranny against the will of the people, that Washington DC has no intention of approving any real immigration enforcement? That we must keep paying for everybody who flies in from anywhere, climbs the fence or just parts the simple barbed rusty wire and slips through. I, like millions of other patriotic Americans are furious and frustrated for paying my fair share for the upkeep of anybody who can steal into America. Ron Paul, contender for the White House is correct, when he stated at the last debate in Arizona, put the troops that are in Iran and Afghanistan and deploy them fully armed along the border.

There is only one cure for the corruption in federal agencies and that is joining the TEA PARTY. Thousands of fraudulent programs will be exposed and billions of dollars will be saved. This confronts the rot that has entered the Democratic and the Republican parties, and the astronomical deficit that America is suffering from. Read some unrevealed evidence at Judicial Watch, that is a legal non-profit website. Judicial Watch is the opposite of the Communist backed ACLU; a panderer to the illegal alien invaders. In addition, NumbersUSA gives you in depth analysis of costs to taxpayers and insider news from Congress. Lastly, the positive controversial website of “American Patrol” gives you one-click bridging news editions to the nationwide media, where the truth prevails in articles suppressed by the overwhelming Liberal press. It is only new TEA PARTY leaders will reveal the corrupt in Congress and return us to a small efficient government, with no free crony handouts to wealthy donors.

Why doesn't Congress revise the original E-Verify plus bill introduced by Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Homeland Security Chairman Peter King(R-NY) in 2005? The Border Protection, Anti-terrorism and Illegal Immigration Control Act (H.R. 4437) had all the stringent enforcement needed? It required the use of E-verify and made it a felony to be in the USA illegally. It also increased penalties for employing illegal workers to $7,500 for first time offenses, $15,000 for second offenses, and $40,000 for all subsequent offenses. It also, caused the housing of removed aliens to become a felony crime. It passed in the House by a vote of 239 to 182, but questionably it didn’t find passage in the Senate?

The usual stomach churning zealots complained, so REAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT never took center stage, with the combined efforts of a variety of migrant, humanitarian, and religious organizations, and other radical groups. Policies that providing federal or state welfare as UNFUNDED MANDATES forced on all the American population by court order and extorted from your taxes. By neither political party voting for the new mandated version of E-Verify or the Birthright Citizenship bill, millions still attracted by jobs and a free reservoir of welfare programs, will still buy a seat on a international flight as a tourist or just cross that border. If Governor Brown doesn’t veto it, every illegal alien who applies at the DMV should be reported to ICE; better still have an ICE agent standing by the DMV clerk.

PRIOR TO ANY CHANCE OF OBAMA BEING RETURNED TO THE OVAL OFFICE, EVERY VOTER MUST PUSH THE SENATE AND HOUSE POLITICIANS TO FORCE PASSAGE OF “THE LEGAL WORKFORCE BILL” AND SECONDARY “THE BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP BILL”. VOTERS MUST DRIVE THEIR LAWMAKERS TO DO THEIR BIDDING, AND CALL THEM AT THE OFFICE & TELL THEM THEY WILL BE LOOKING FOR A JOB IF THEY DON’T SPONSOR THESE LAWS? MORE JOBS WILL BE LOST IF WE DO NOT STOP ANOTHER AMNESTY, THE COST $2.4 TRILLION DOLLARS AS STUDIED BY THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION.

To some extent revitalized E-Verify, “the Legal Workforce Act (H.R.2885) will heavily penalize businesses for hiring illegal aliens, who are stealing jobs from the majority of low income workers. Second in line of Merit is the “Birthright Citizenship Bill (H.R.140) that by Amendment, will prevent the welfare abundance of public welfare check assistance to the illegal parent of a child smuggled or already here, if neither parent is a U.S. Citizen.

The E-Verify system can identify illegal migrants and immigrants after hiring and unless they can further substantiate their immigration status, they will be dismissed. This is an easy, none evasive and simple way to qualify an applicant, by inputting the personal data in a company terminal. Then to resolve any discrepancy you travel to nearest Social Security office. Mitt Romney has spelled E-Verify out, as “ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT—or Self Deportation. Anything that actually works as “SECURE COMMUNITIES (286 G.), are suddenly under bombardment. The problem that administration sees that is locating illegal aliens through fingerprints, even with individuals with criminal infractions. But the ICE czars in Washington are giving them presidential treatment and not deporting them? Even if they have stolen an American citizens Identification, they are being released back into the mainstream of the country. This is a true—BACK DOOR AMNESTY.

After the border fence is really secured and full access by the U.S. Border Patrol to all regions, then the new administration can talk about a regulated Farm Guest Worker program (not the fraudulent entry we have now) and a congressional oversight for employment visas for scientist, engineers and the highest echelon of technical immigrants. But the door must be slammed shut on the covert operation of slipping low skilled workers into the country and no more importation of copious poverty from South of our border or from foreign countries.

Join your chapter of your local TEA PARTY. Only the TEA PARTY LEADERSHIP has the backbone to shred the current tax code and provide a fair and equitable tax system, without any loopholes for anybody. Every possible means available currently and in the future will be utilized to secure our borders, to halt Sanctuary Cities, Chain Migration, but adopt a regulated Guest Worker program, without a path to citizenship. It is solely the obligation of every American voter to check for non citizens registering for all future elections. That every person voting must display official Picture ID, as there has been progressive voting by non citizens. The laws of the 1986 Immigration Reform & Control Act (IRCA) will be reanimated as original was to work. Sanctuary Cities will be banned and official who subscribe to any ordinance protecting illegal aliens will be sanctioned every possible means will be used to remove illegal aliens from this country and benefits stopped. Illegal aliens will not be prosecuted for using stolen ID, including Social Security numbers and birth certificates.

Everybody is complaining about both parties in Washington, but cannot find a few minutes to contact their Senators or Congress persons at 202-224-3121 and demand the vote for both federal MANDATORY E-Verify or amend the ‘Birthright Citizenship' Bill. Once enacted into law a massive exodus will commence, as illegal aliens and family members will return to their country of origin.

ISSUING DRIVERS LICENSES TO ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL JUST ENCOURAGE MORE TO SQUAT IN CALIFORNIA. STATES THAT HAVE ENFORCED IMMIGRATION POLICING LAWS AS ARIZONA, ALABAMA, GEORGIA, UTAH, INDIANA AND SOUTH CAROLINA, ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE FLEEING THOSE STATES AND CERTAINLY HEAD FOR THE WEST COAST IF THE DMV IS SUPPLYING LICENSES? THE TIME HAS COME TO THROW OUT ALL THE GOVERNORS, MAYORS, JUDGES, CHIEF OF POLICE WHO IN COLLUSION WITH ORGANIZATIONS AND FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, IF THEY ARE SUPPORTING THE ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS IN THIS COUNTRY.