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The key to all of these problems is being able to do the difficult — apply human common sense to the facts on the ground. Closing one’s eyes to what can evolve is never ever a good idea — particularly in a day and age of missiles and high tech. This is where Reid Smith and I disagree.
Jeff, in fairness, I’m not closing my eyes to the potential evolution of evil. Likewise, I’ve already expressed my “serious misgivings” with the extremity of Ron Paul’s positions. However, I have consistently emphasized constructive caution — perhaps in censure of the hyperbolic ramblings of several GOP candidates (and pundits) who have proven unfit to discuss foreign policy beyond their seemingly bottomless support for Israel, Obama’s “toleration” of Arab Spring, and some vigorous fist-shaking in the general direction of Tehran. I’d like my candidate to bring more to the table than empty bluster when it comes to foreign policy.
With that said, I’m not entirely sure why you point to the Continent’s intellectual dismissal of National Socialism in the '30s, unless to suggest we should be culling the colorful mosques of Qom to track down the next Khomeini, today? Uh…okay?
But speaking of Iran, the application of “human common sense to the facts on the ground” and your apparent desire to nip Iranian nukes in the proverbial bud… as I’ve written right here, on this very blog, an aerial assault conducted by the United State or Israel would produce drastic consequences.
Let’s consider the blowback. *collective gasp* Such action would ensure violence against American and Israeli targets — both at home and abroad. Iran would shed the yoke of international isolation and bask in the hero-worship of a suddenly-sympathetic Arab street. Historic rivalries and ancient antagonisms in the Muslim world would crumble, as Iran ascends the stage opposite the United States, playing the role of “Bête Noir du Jour” — a dashing protagonist cast in the global tragedy of American Empire’s promiscuous use of preventive war.
Oh yeah, and I almost forgot. An attack on Iranian soil would immediately harden Persian consensus in opposition to intervention, and cement support for what has become an increasingly unpopular ruling cabal. Concurrently, support for a nuclear arms program — which is far from monolithic, at present — would skyrocket.
All this “blowback” to temporarily degrade — not demolish — Iran’s nuclear ambition.
Jeff, what I’m trying to impart is that there’s a teeny, tiny hint of “grey area” between handshakes with Hitler over Sudetenland at the ‘38 Munich Conference and our decision to take the fight against communism to the jungles of Laos. Decisions have consequences, and our “war of choice” routine and exhortation of “conditional sovereignty” do us little favor in the international arena.
In conclusion, Jeff, I’d say your rousing extrapolation of imprisoned Austrian painters and communist intrigue during the twilight of the Romanovs has paradoxically channeled your inner ostrich.
Growing consensus in the national security community — and I’m talking about professional practitioners and academics, not talk-show blowhards on your radio dial — suggests the preservation of American security and hegemony hinges on our ability to rebuild economic stability at home by cutting the federal deficit that has exploded under the current administration.
If we’re going to have a serious conversation then you need to consider the facts: our $15 trillion federal debt approaches the size of the entire economy, without accounting for the liabilities hemmed to Social Security, Medicare and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The United States has never been so vulnerable to an international run on the dollar that could begin overseas. Foreign governments can absolutely use their Treasury holdings to coerce American decision-making.
Sadly, the restoration of fiscal solvency doesn’t jibe with a policy preference that prioritizes dropping JDAMs on Muslim countries. So I’m not sure what to tell you, Jeff. All I did here was “apply human common sense to the facts on the ground.”
Thanks for the advice.
Wayne| 1.5.12 @ 2:26PM
I have never heard an explanation of why we would bomb Iran because of Nukes while we tolerate Pakistan having Nukes. Seems to me the genie is already out of the bottle.
WL| 1.5.12 @ 2:29PM
Yeah Jeff...everybody knows we have to avoid a run on the dollar....
Just buy a ticket to the Mushroom Cloud Theatre...sit back, and enjoy the show...
Sitting back and watching Uncle Supreme Mullah and Cousin Mahmoud will be a real BLAAASSSTTTT!!!!
Don't ruin it Mr. Lord....the facts on the ground and common sense tell us it'll be fun.
Like Pops Paul said...they only hate us because we are bombing them....and we are always wanting to to to WOW-AH!!! (war, that is)...
Uncle Khomenie
WL| 1.5.12 @ 2:33PM
What will be really funny is...
When Iran sets that Mushroom Cloud off...the Paul followers and the Liberals will team up to say that it's our fault....us warmongers made'em do it just by talking about the possibility of a strike....
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 6:56PM
So WL, Why Haven't Your Girlfriends In Israel Nuked Iran ?
Hmmmm ?
What Are They Scared Of ?
Those Big Tough Iranians ?
The U.S. Saying "Bad Israel" ?
I Thought The Israeli Military Was The Invincible Toughie Girls, All You Israerl Firster Smear Bund GirlieMen Tell Us They Are.
Dan Phillips| 1.5.12 @ 5:31PM
Smith writes a post encouraging thoughtfulness and reflection before calling for war, and you respond with this kind of appallingly mindless alarmism. You couldn't have better illustrated his point if you intentionally set out to try. This is both comical and disgusting all at once. Is this an intentional spoof intended to undermine the credibility of Iran hawks?
Before you invoke mushroom clouds you must first demonstrate 1.) that Iran intends to develop a nuke 2.) that Iran is actually working on developing a nuke 3.) that Iran is close to developing a nuke 4.) that if Iran acquired a nuke they would preemptively use it in spite of the consequences 5.) that they have some sort of delivery system whereby they could deliver it to the US if they wanted to, etc. etc. etc. I could go on but why bother? You can't just assert a mushroom cloud to justify war. War is serious business. People die. Families are shattered. Limbs are lost. The charge of keyboard warriors is not always helpful but is unfortunately often justified. This is not a game. You can't drum beat for war based on cartoonishly fear mongered scenarios.
Good grief. This is NOT conservatism. Richard Weaver would be appalled. This is the advocacy of barbarism just to be on the safe side.
WL| 1.5.12 @ 6:08PM
Well...
You really are proud of how serious you are aren't you there MS? Well maybe you could take that massive brain of yours and understand that using a little tongue and cheek in a COMMENT SECTION on a blog is not really out of the ordinary. But apparently you felt that you could use your own version of a rhetorical mushroom cloud and cause everyone to bow before your wisdom.
I am not really sure how I am supposed to Prove that they will get a bomb besides the fact that our intelligence tells us they will within the year. I don't really know that Mahmoud would use it, but he sure does talk like it. I'm also not really sure that they need a delivery system...ever heard of a "dirty bomb?"
So Mr. Serious...if I was at a National Security Council meeting, I wouldn't take the tongue and cheek route...but that doesn't mean I don't know a thing or two about war either. I know my fair share.
By the way...you are also not chairing a Nat. Sec. meeting here in the COMMENT SECTION, so take a deep breath...relax...and quit being a manic TWIT.
Quartermaster| 1.5.12 @ 8:04PM
Unfortunately, our intelligence has been grievously wrong too many times to count. They told us the Persians would have the bomb shortly, then come back and tell us their program was ended long ago. What to believe?
I sure don't believe those clowns in "intelligence" any more, and I see no reason why we should given their record.
Dan Phillips| 1.5.12 @ 10:43PM
"besides the fact that our intelligence tells us they will within the year."
No it doesn't! Prove it. See first few paragraphs of link below.
http://www.theamericanconserva.....k-on-iran/
"I don't really know that Mahmoud would use it, but he sure does talk like it."
No he doesn't. Cite me an instance when M.A. said he intended to use nuclear weapons. In fact, cite me a time when he has said Iran is even pursuing nuclear weapons. You are repeating grossly irresponsible pro-war propaganda.
http://www.theamericanconserva.....c-fascism/
"I'm also not really sure that they need a delivery system...ever heard of a "dirty bomb?"
Yes I know what a "dirty bomb" is, do you? A dirty bomb and a nuclear warhead are two totally different things. A dirty bomb is a conventional explosive packed with radioactive material the intent of which is to cause chaos due to the radioactive material that is dispersed by the conventional explosive. A nuclear weapon, what Iran is being accused of making, is an explosive where the explosion is caused by a nuclear reaction. You could theoretically make a dirty bomb using radioactive material used in radiology procedures or from nuclear energy production. I have heard no one, not even the most belligerent Iran hawk, suggest that Iran shouldn't be able to pursue atomic energy which would give them plenty of material to make dirty bomb or perform x-rays and CAT scans. The issue is that some people don't believe they are just seeking nuclear power. So I'm not sure what a dirty bomb, which Iran is perfectly capable of making already, has to do with anything.
What I suspect you are talking about is a "loose nuke" - the idea that Iran would give a nuclear weapon to a terrorist to deliver. This is not even remotely plausible. Cite me some serious experts (not interventionist pundits) who claim this is a credible scenario.
TarponGman| 1.5.12 @ 2:33PM
So we do what, sit back, do nothing, and helplessly wait for the Iranians to get thier nukes? I am sure their behavior will become much more responsible after that.
Hobbes| 1.5.12 @ 3:52PM
Yeah, and while we're at it, let's invade irresponsible North Korea and Pakistan, who also have nukes.
TarponGman| 1.5.12 @ 7:10PM
We cant very well "invade" either of those countries, can we Hobbes? Because they already have nukes and wont think twice about taking as many innocent people with them as they can. That is why we cant let Iran get one because they will feel free to do whatever they want.
WL| 1.5.12 @ 6:10PM
YOU ARE INVOKING A MUSHROOM CLOUD YOU ADVOCATE OF BARBARISM.....
according to MS
albert constantine jr| 1.5.12 @ 2:40PM
"Let's consider the blowback. *collective gasp* Such action would ensure violence against American and Israeli targets -- both at home and abroad."
Might such blowback include sympathizers flying airplanes into our buildings, or in the case of Israel, detonating themselves in public places and lobbing rockets into their civilian homes? Or would it merely consist of thousands in the streets ululating their agreement with such actions?
Bob Grant| 1.5.12 @ 2:51PM
Albert,
And wasn't it true that the Second Intifada began immediately after the Camp David talks fell apart in 2000?
Didn't Yasser Arafat use this as an excuse to launch the intifada?
It had nothing to do with Israel or the United States aggression. It was a political act led by the leader of the Palestinian Authority.
The truth is these people are itching for a fight 24/7; whatever excuse they can use to act out aggressively.
Occam's Tool| 1.5.12 @ 3:07PM
You can't strike when your hands and feet and eyes and ears and legs and arms have been sliced off, or put out.
I favor the Curtis LeMay approach. It should be pointed out that his approach beat Japan without an invasion of the home Islands. Iran is much weaker now in comparison to the US than Japan was in 1944.
There is a way to shut up the Arab street, and that is with raw power. We take out the Iranian Navy and airforce, and then destroy their electrical and water systems. Then we bomb every piece of their Nuclear system into non-existence, with whatever degree of violence/collateral damage it takes. Then we tell them that this was a love tap compared to what we would do if we got upset.
No Nation building, no US troops on the ground (except perhaps Special Forces to aid the bombing raids), no aid after destruction. I'm not sure that there would be much "Blowback" from this---it is a precise application of Machiavellian principles.
It just requires a man willing to be reviled by the Liberal elites. Rick Santorum, anyone?
Dan Phillips| 1.5.12 @ 5:07PM
Occam you could have just saved yourself all the typing and typed the word genocide because that is what your policy amounts to, genocide of Muslims. Why don't we just salt over their fields while we are at it?
Muslims practice a false religion. Ideally they need to be converted to the true religion of Jesus Christ, not bombed into oblivion to quell your Chicken Little fears. If they must for some reason be dealt with militarily then they should be dealt with applying such Christian Just War concepts as proportionality. What you advocate is not the application Machiavellian principles. It is the application of the principles of Attila the Hun.
Warrior | 1.5.12 @ 10:26PM
So we are reduced to ensuring the killing of hundreds of thousands if not millions of women, children and non-combatants. So in your world, we should have given William Calley the Congressional Medal of Honor? Why not save the nuke and radiation and just launch a biological weapon in which we have an immunization? Then we can just fuel air bomb the bodies and take the land?
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 2:45PM
Blowback Happens
Watch The Short Video.
http://digitaljournal.com/article/316304
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To The East Coast.
Bob Grant| 1.5.12 @ 3:09PM
Clint,
There is never NOT blowback in the middle east. It shouldn't prevent the U.S. from doing what needs to be done, like eliminating a certain Persian nuclear facility.
Now speaking of blowback, I bet alot that goes on during one of your super-secret Ron Paul meetings.
Hobbes| 1.5.12 @ 3:56PM
Why don't we eliminate a certain North Korean nuclear facility? Oh, because we already tried to go to war with them once and couldn't win...
Ed| 1.5.12 @ 4:26PM
Blowback? If we are on Saudi soil at the request of their government, do we have to poll terrorists to determine if this is allowable. Under the Paultard blowback theory, I would have to answer yes.
Quartermaster| 1.5.12 @ 8:08PM
The Saudis themselves wanted us gone. As soon as we moved against Saddam, we were and the Saudis breathed a sigh of relief too.
Once we took Saddam out (which the Saudis wanted intensely) we didn't need their bases anymore and they nudged us to be gone.
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 5:43PM
We Know Grant Gives The RINO-CINO Elite A Blow Back After They Get Done Giving Grant One.
The tea Party Rebellion Heads To The East Coast.
Quartermaster| 1.5.12 @ 8:06PM
Bob, you're just jealous because you don't have the secret decoder ring.
Bob Grant| 1.5.12 @ 8:37PM
Drink.More.Ovaltine?
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 3:04PM
Dr.Ron Paul,
“As the President prepares to send even more support to Egypt, we should
be reminded that it was our foreign aid that helped Mubarak retain power
to repress his people in the first place. Now we have to deal with the
consequences of those decisions, yet we keep repeating the same mistakes.
“I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign
policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies.
Most Americans know that makes no sense.
“We need to come to our senses, trade with our friends in the Middle
East (both Arab and Israeli), clean up our own economic mess so we set a
good example, and allow them to work out their own conflicts.”
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To The East Coast.
Occam's Tool| 1.5.12 @ 3:08PM
Thanks much, Clint. Except for your lack of reality, it would be scary. But Paul finished 3rd, which rhymes with turd, which is what your political predictions are worth.
Ed| 1.5.12 @ 4:28PM
It also rhymes with bird, and everyone knows that the bird is the word. It's no use to try to have a debate with a Paulbot. Their IQ's don't scrape above 60 and all they can do is cut and paste.
WL| 1.5.12 @ 6:22PM
You better be careful Ed...
They won't be at the pancake social!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (hat tip to the geico commercial)
What was that big word that Brian spelled?
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 7:10PM
What Are Your Big Toughie Girl Israelis Waiting For ?
Why Haven't They Nuked Iran Yet ?
Who's Permission Would They Crawl For & Why ?
We Thought They Were This Invincible Toughie Girl Military Machine You Always Are Tellin' Us About.
Why Ya Beggin' American Warriors To Do Your Fightin' For Ya Again ?
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 5:46PM
Top Tier With Delegates, Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Smear Bund GirlieMan, Occam's Fool.
Tool Rhymes With Asshole.
WL| 1.5.12 @ 6:21PM
I really like this Occam fella.....
Hey Occam's Tool...they just don't get it. We don't want to do horrible things. We just know that some times and some places require action...before the horrible things happen to US.
Clint. Why don't you sign your posts with the "Paul Rebellion Starts.......".... instead of "Tea-Party Rebellion....etc..."
Because in all fairness...alot of Tea partiers (me and others) are not really Ron Paul Supporters...and tend to be more hawkish...(Not all or even most...but alot of us)
William R| 1.5.12 @ 6:59PM
You're a phony punk. A big government NeoCon like you're hero Rick Insanatorium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded
Occam's Tool| 1.5.12 @ 3:11PM
By the way, Reid, I would get our troops out of Germany and Britain while I was doing this. I would also let the NATO boys know that any use of US troops in defense of France or Britain's interests (think Libya) would require payment by them. It is ridiculous to pay for Germany, France, and Britain's security. Our fight is with Political Islam.
Ed| 1.5.12 @ 4:30PM
Good logical thought. A paultard would add, though, that our troops should never have been there in the first place as we should have simply been a neutral trading partner with Hitler. Then he/she would cite to Switzerland, which worked with and assisted Nazi Germany, as the paragon of neutral Paultard ethics.
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 5:54PM
Occam's Asshat Is Now Tryin' To Parrot Ideas Veteran U.S. Officer Dr.Ron Paul Has Had For Decades.
Of Course , The Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Tool Job Has No Problem Using Our American Warriors & Our National Treasure To Police The Middle East For His Israel Firster Agenda.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On The Israel Firster Maniac Smear Bund GirlieMan, Occam's Asshat.
Occam's Tool| 1.5.12 @ 3:13PM
By the way, Reid, I know you only pay attention to the Palis, but...the Israelis have already stated that they would be willing to deal with the "blowback." They've been doing that for 62 years and counting.
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 5:57PM
Yeah, Occam's Asshat Has Been Giving Bibi Blows Back For Years.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On The Neo-Chickenhawk Israel Firster Smear Bund GirlieBoy, Occam's Asshat.
WL| 1.5.12 @ 6:27PM
Clint,
I don't mean this badly but everytime I see that "The Tea Party...." signature...I think of the Stephen King movie "The Stand."
remember the guy that would follow everything he said with " M-O-O-N, that spells (insert any word."
Does anyone else remember that...
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 6:32PM
Are Ya Sayin' Ya Wanna Be "M-O-O-N-E-D" ?
Maybe Occam's Asshat Can Help Ya With That.
Hobbes| 1.5.12 @ 3:45PM
Must Read by longtime TAS editor.
Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and the Neo-Cons Destroyed the GOP by Vic Gold
http://www.amazon.com/Invasion.....195&sr=1-1
William R| 1.5.12 @ 7:10PM
Good review of Vic Gold's book
http://original.antiwar.com/do.....snatchers/
Dai Alanye | 1.5.12 @ 4:37PM
Now I see the source of Reid Smith's delusions. He believes the best way to deal with a bully is to avert one's eyes and walk small.
Nope. The best tactic with a bully is to bully him. That type of person (or government) responds best to intimidation.
The first step should be to recognize an Iranian government in exile, and encourage internal revolt. Back them by military action if desirable, preferably convert. In other words, overthrow today's rogue regime of Iran just as we did in the fifties.
Mike W| 1.5.12 @ 4:38PM
Lord is another armchair warrior ready to take out Iran.
Not going to happen. Iran and all it's issues is here to stay. There will be no bombing because deep down the wise military knows that bombing alone will not be effective and that only an invasion would work. We won't invade.
9thID| 1.5.12 @ 4:43PM
Neo-Liberals like Reid, et al, always say it is the "military industrial complex" that is bankrupting our nation, but they rarely, if ever, do they mention their beloved welfare state. That is where the REAL fiscal problem lies. Actually, the root cause of all our problems stems from a moral and cultural rot that has taken us away from the Judeo-Christian values of our Founding. Putting a fiscal Band-Aid over moral cancer will never cure the patient.
Like their Liber-al cousins, the neo-Liberals/Liber-tarians would trade our national security interests for a status quo nannystate at home. They say they are for extremely limited government, and even eliminating the Fed, but in reality they love their entitlement perks just as much, or even more, than the so-called “neo-cons”! Now, I admit that it may be Ron Paul’s reefer-madness contingency who are the most vocal, as they want taxpayer treatment for their addictions and the broken families they cause. Liberty is license in that camp.
Anyway, simply put, I prefer as much as possible, to fight our enemies abroad, and not on our shores. But hey, that's just one old curmudgeon of an infantry Veteran speaking...
Labels Dept. –
Conservatives - are what Reagan called the “3-legged stool” of conservatism, i.e. social, fiscal, and national security like our Founders. Most Tea Party types fall under this umbrella.
“Neo-Cons” - as describing RINOs who are national security conservatives, but socially and fiscally liberal.
Libertarians - are fiscal conservatives, but social and national security liberals.
Works for me...
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 6:27PM
The Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawks Are Blowin' Smoke From The Rear, Up Their Rears.
Watch The Short Video.
http://digitaljournal.com/article/316304
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To The East Coast.
Bok| 1.5.12 @ 4:44PM
Wow! ...
"Decisions have consequences, and our "war of choice" routine and exhortation of "conditional sovereignty" do us little favor in the international arena."
I bet 1.0 million + DEAD Cambodians that would likely be alive today had we fought to win would beg to differ .
What an ignorant worldview Reid! Your attitude has been noted and will be forwarded to the committee!
albert constantine jr| 1.5.12 @ 5:11PM
In the former Cambodia, or Khmer Republic, or Kampuchea, I believe the committee was known as "Angkha".
albert constantine jr| 1.5.12 @ 5:09PM
“Growing consensus in the national security community -- and I'm talking about professional practitioners and academics, not talk-show blowhards on your radio dial -- suggests the preservation of American security and hegemony hinges on our ability to rebuild economic stability at home by cutting the federal deficit that has exploded under the current administration.”
Without de-emphasizing the importance of reducing the deficit and its effect on economic stability, the first part of the sentence gives me great concern.
Regarding academics, it was not for nothing that WF Buckley famously preferred to be governed by the random volume of names selected from the local phone directory over the Harvard faculty.
As far as the professional practitioners, not to put too fine a point on it, but didn’t they play a large role in getting us to our current state of affairs?
One can choose to take or leave talk radio “blowhards” by changing the station or ignoring their message. On the other hand, the “Occupy Wall Street” crowd is only the tip of the iceberg of the damage done by academics through failing to educate properly or deliberate indoctrination, and the only choice we get regarding the “professional practitioners” is who we elect to let them practice their profession.
aware| 1.5.12 @ 5:45PM
Reid, you can never ever get the hyper nationalist to look at economic reality when there's vermin to be exterminated! And since there's people all over the place that might want to do stuff we don't like, there will always be plenty of vermin.
The weapons of financial mass destruction are what is going to destroy our way of life.
And they are in the hands of the very worst kind "human condition" sufferers. Politicians and bankers.
WL| 1.5.12 @ 6:30PM
Has anyone taken a moment to think that the PAULBOTS getting sicked on the Conservative established media....and Paul changing to Republican...might be Soros trying to cause Reagan and Buckley's movement alot of confusion?
Clint| 1.5.12 @ 6:41PM
Ooooor WL, How About This ?
Has anyone taken a moment to think that the Bibi Butt Boys are getting siced on the Conservative established media....and Romney pretending to be A Conservative ...might be Bibi trying to cause Reagan and Buckley's movement a lot of Israel."
Just Sayin'.
9thID| 1.5.12 @ 11:12PM
The good news for AS folk is the latest national polling shows Cap'n Ron has once again hit his ceiling of 12%. Take heart that the Tea Party is still alive and well and that America's pendulum hasn't swung all the way from Obama's Liber-al collectivism to Ron Paul's Liber-tarian anarchy. So much for Clint’s new bloody French Revolution...
martin j smith| 1.6.12 @ 8:14AM
There is I am afraid no "common sense" in our political discussions in fact I think we have idiocy. Ron Paul,John Huntsman,Mitt Romney , Obama --especially Obama. We need options that focus on a national security policy that blends Economic policies and mbing Iran's sites or doing something else should be debated of course but every tie "something else" is suggested the UN or
some s fool in the political parties finds and objection. Sorry buddy we do need to take forceful action terms terms of economic and other embargo --but if Iran cuts off oil supplies thru the straight of Hormuz --there will be War.( just an example ) . So to some extent we can have all the common sense we want but to the extent that Iran or Russia and China are players those cards are out of a our hands and we may have no choice-or surrender and have consequences that I could not live with--could you ?
Ryan| 1.6.12 @ 9:27AM
I would almost hold Reid's positions and back Ron Paul if it wasn't for the whole Manning thing. The Iran situation is worse than the Paulites believe, but from what I understand there is plenty of internal strife inside of Iran that can be fomented without invasion or bombing.
Iran, by all appearances, looks like they are trying to get something nuclear going and don't have a good reason for going off of fossil fuels for energy.
There's also that funny business of building jointly something in Venezuela.
Iran may be dealt with properly through covert ops, cyberwarfare (Stuxnet was apparently VERY effective in setting them back) and openly supporting those elements inside which desire freedom.
There IS a good point that we need to get our act together economically before branching out to defend the weak in the rest of the world, something I believe that all first-world nations have a responsibility to at least prevent things like genocide.
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