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Santorum in Third Now. Wow.

By on 12.28.11 @ 5:01PM

CNN just reported its latest poll in Iowa. Paul and Romney are first and second, but now Rick Santorum is in third place with 16 percent, ahead of Newt Gingrich at 14 percent. This is an incredibly fascinating race.

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PattyMor| 12.28.11 @ 5:10PM

Rick would be a better I'm not Mitt than Newt or the nutty Dr. Paul. But he inability to get on the Virginia ballot will hurt him.

He's conservative (maybe sometimes a little too vocal) and solid on foreign affairs.

C Bowen | 12.28.11 @ 8:03PM

Solid on foreign affairs? The central theme of his 2006 campaign was that Iraq really was a threat--repeating Iranian propaganda. He's an idiot on foreign policy, and lets not get started on voting to fund Planned Parenthood year after year, let alone, introducing the abortion industry to Iraq.

Bob| 12.28.11 @ 5:16PM

Hey the pope's flunkie is in the show position and the Speaker of the Blouse failed to register in his "home" state. This is beautiful; I just love to see GOPukers rise than crash and burn. Callista's husband can now move and register in Alaska and join Sarah in the third party Aleutian ticket and preach to the Eskimos.

Mikejdp| 12.28.11 @ 5:43PM

Come on Bob, the Pope's flunkie? Just because he is a faithful Catholic?

C Bowen | 12.28.11 @ 8:04PM

He is not a faithful Catholic--he rejected the Pope and supported the mistake that was the invasion of Iraq.

Dan| 12.28.11 @ 9:58PM

The Pope did not forbid movement into Iraq.

In fact, since the former Pope kissed a koran, it would be wise for American Catholics to wholly ignore what the former Pope had to say on the issue.

Dan| 12.28.11 @ 9:59PM

The Pope did not invoke infallibility when pronouncing upon the subject.

So for those who don't know the rudiments of Papal authority, it might be wise for them to forego commenting upon Santorum's Catholicism.

C Bowen | 12.29.11 @ 4:12PM

I was just pointing out that Santorum is not a faithful Catholic.

And good point, invading Iraq was a big gift to Islam--gave them another state to screw up on the American tax payer dime.

Silver Bullet| 12.29.11 @ 8:50PM

See my comment below. You really don't know what you're talking about, C Bowen!

If you bloggers aren't trashing Santorum for being a faithful Catholic -- or the "Pope's flunkie," as above -- then it seems you want to trash him for being an unfaithful Catholic. Do you subscribe, then, to Malcolm X's dictum, "By any means necessary"? I hardly think so -- but you can't have it both ways, can you?

Silver Bullet| 12.29.11 @ 8:50PM

See my comment below. You really don't know what you're talking about, C Bowen!

If you bloggers aren't trashing Santorum for being a faithful Catholic -- or the "Pope's flunkie," as above -- then it seems you want to trash him for being an unfaithful Catholic. Do you subscribe, then, to Malcolm X's dictum, "By any means necessary"? I hardly think so -- but you can't have it both ways, can you?

Silver Bullet| 12.29.11 @ 8:47PM

The Pope is not deemed to be infallible except in matters of faith and morals. The invasion of Iraq does not come under this category. The Catechism is clear that there is such a thing as "just war." "The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, # 2309. It is a case, usually, of "render to Caesar..." There are other paragraphs in the Catechism related to war, which I recommend to you. You will see that they make eminent sense. The crux of the difficulty lies in determining whether these criteria have been met.

I think, with the benefit of hindsight, it might be said that America's pre-emptive invasion of Iraq probably did not meet just war criteria. The Pope in these circumstances is advising, but his opinion is not considered to be infallible on the particular decision.

Therefore, many faithful Catholics did not agree with the Pope on this matter but remained nonetheless in good standing with the Church.

I guess it can be difficult for non-Catholics to appreciate this situation. Maybe it seems like hair-splitting -- or, a "distinction without a difference" to non-Catholics.

Trust me, if you are a faithful Catholic, you do understand these matters.

mcr| 12.28.11 @ 7:19PM

your posts are so wretched.

glenny| 12.29.11 @ 12:17PM

Bob,
Even on a bad day, the "Pope's flunkie" is better than the Ayatollah's "boy" on a good day.
You're a fool, but, I think you know that already.
glenny

Occam's Tool| 12.28.11 @ 5:33PM

There's a week left---let's see Santorum ride up even higher---clear day means doom for Paul. Love to see Santorum crush Paul! (I don't think it will happen because cults die hard, but one can hope.)

Clint| 12.28.11 @ 6:09PM

" Ron Paul triumphs in new Hawkeye State PPP poll

Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, triumphed in a new Public Policy Polling poll of likely Iowa GOP caucusgoers released late Tuesday. Mr. Paul battered former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who finished in second and third place, respectively. This is the first post-Christmas poll in the Hawkeye State.

Mr. Paul won the Iowa PPP poll with 24 percent of the votes. Mr. Romney pulled in 20 percent of the votes and Mr. Gingrich garnered 13 percent of the votes."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

Bob Grant| 12.28.11 @ 6:40PM

Are you talking about the 'I'm not a racist' Ron Paul? Would that be the same one?

Clint| 12.28.11 @ 6:43PM

"Written By : Eric Dondero

Fmr. Senior Aide, US Cong. Ron Paul, 1997 – 2003
Campaign Coordinator, Ron Paul for Congress, 1995/96
National Organizer, Draft Ron Paul for President, 1991/92
Travel Aide/Personal Asst. Ron Paul, Libertarian for President
1987/88

Is Ron Paul a “racist.” In short, No. I worked for the man for 12 years, pretty consistently. I never heard a racist word expressed towards Blacks or Jews come out of his mouth. Not once. And understand, I was his close personal assistant. It’s safe to say that I was with him on the campaign trail more than any other individual, whether it be traveling to Fairbanks, Alaska or Boston, Massachusetts in the presidential race, or across the congressional district to San Antonio or Corpus Christi, Texas.

He has frequently hired blacks for his office staff, starting as early as 1988 for the Libertarian campaign. He has also hired many Hispanics, including his current District staffer Dianna Gilbert-Kile. "

The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On RINO-CINO Mittens Romney Cheerleader, Grant.

MoronPatrol| 12.28.11 @ 7:10PM

Dondero is the guy who said that Ron Paul personally read and signed off on every newsletter.

Do you understand a single word that you post? Day after day you try to give people the impression that Ron Paul supporters are obnoxious morons who can't write a single sentence that isn't full of capitalization, punctuation and grammatical errors. If you wanted to help Ron Paul you'd start pretending to be a Romney supporter.

Clint| 12.28.11 @ 7:36PM

I Know Who Eric Dondero-Rittberg Is , Sport. I Had It Out With Him On This Blog A Few Days Back.
Eric Dondero-Rittberg Wrote This After That.

" I have been asked by various media the last few days for my comments, view of the current situation regarding my former boss Ron Paul, as he runs for the presidency on the Republican ticket.

I’ve noticed in some media that my words have been twisted and used for an agenda from both sides. And I wish to set the record straight with media that I trust and know will get the story right: conservative/libertarian-conservative bloggers."

Do Your Homework.

We Tea Party Supporters Want Gloria Borger To Apologize To Dr.Ron Paul For Her Shoddy And Unprofessional Excuse For Journalism.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

Clint| 12.28.11 @ 11:15PM

Now The Israel Firster Smear Bund Boy Dondero-Rittberg Is Telling His Israel Firster Girlfriends ,"He wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all. He expressed this to me numerous times in our private conversations.

"His view is that Israel is more trouble than it is worth, specifically to the American taxpayer," Dondero continued. "He sides with the Palestinians and supports their calls for the abolishment of the Jewish state, and the return of Israel, all of it, to the Arabs."

Do Your Homework.

" Submitted by Texas Little El on Sat, 12/08/2007 - 22:34:
Eric Dondero Is Ron Paul's ex-senior staff guy.
Ron fired him and Eric hasn't gotten over it yet, this being 5 years ago.

He lies about most things.
He supposedly knows 15 different languages but got caught in a lie of when he learned Spanish.

He was supposed to run against Ron Paul, but dropped out of the race when another Republican decided to run for office.

He supports Giuliani and even has deluded himself into thinking Giuliani has libertarian leanings.......That is one of the bigger stretches of the imagination.

He supports Giuliani and Ron's CD14 opponent so much he has given them huge amounts of money.......ok, that's a lie, he has given them nothing for their campaigns.

He either goes by Dondero or Rittberg.... no one can figure out when he will use which name. He likes to call himself a half jew, whatever that means. Though he isn't a practicing Jew at all. He has even deluded himself so much that he says Ron Paul demanded he wear a yamulke to a political function. Can you see RP demanding someone do something like that?

Needless to say he started off as a car driver for RP and has delusions of grandeur that he single handedly got Ron Paul elected to office the second time RP ran in 1996.

He was one of the people that started the Republican Liberty Caucus, and they got rid of him.

So far he is just a gadfly that won't stop writing nasty articles about Ron Paul, using whatever time he has to write nonsense in his attempts to get him out of office.

Oh, the final thing about Eric is on his libertarian blog he still has a praise that Ron gave him years ago. This is way nutty, in that if RP is supposed to be this big nut job, wouldn't he want to distance himself from him?

He is just a sad little man with no life unless he is the center of attention."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

Clint| 12.28.11 @ 11:33PM

Eric Dondero-Rittberg
" I am this morning, declaring my candidacy for Congress in the GOP primaries against Ron Paul. If he does not resign his seat, and if another Republican candidate does not declare against him, I will run a balls-to-the-wall campaign for Congress in Texas CD 14.

I am the guy that got Ron Paul elected to Congress in 1996. I can and will defeat him in 2008.

Eric Dondero, Fmr. Senior Aide
US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
1997-2003"

Tea Party Patriots For Dr. Ron Paul Are Here And In Iowa.

Haddit| 12.30.11 @ 12:19PM

It should be Tea Party for Newt in Iowa

Oldefarte| 12.29.11 @ 11:17AM

There you go again Clit! See 12/27/11 4:30PM!!!!

Haddit| 12.30.11 @ 12:17PM

I'm sorry man but Paul scares me. He seems to come off as the Muslim dream. They can bomb us and we'll ask them what it is we can do to improve relations with them. The man's a old hippie. If you want strength and a man that wont babble or stutter, vote Newt. I mean come on, his ideas are straight forward, he's rock solid and believes in this country and its ideas.

Jack in Wi.| 12.28.11 @ 8:11PM

Occam is the Israeli racist who wants to commit nuclear genocide on innocent Middle Eastern peoples just so Israel can continue to steal land and rebuild the Great Temple. Then they will be able sacrifice goats and chickens again and rebuild the lost priesthood. All these fantasies are supposed to be supported by the money and blood of the American people.

Paul McGrath| 12.28.11 @ 9:40PM

All right, Jack. I haven't taken you up before because I know it's going to be a useless, futile exercise, but how about this: Let's say Iran does develop a nuclear bomb, and does develop a missile system to deliver it, and does fire two of them at Israel, both of which cause unimaginable destruction.

I suppose you might say that this is not possible, but Iran has been threatening to do this very thing for thirty years and they have not deviated from these pronouncements ever. Not once. Should we not take them at their word? Should we not be at the very least concerned?

Do we have NO obligation to the other free nations on the earth? Would the earth not be a better place if all nations on it were free?

It is amazing to me that I am actually having to pose these questions on a conservative website to a person who supports a Republican candidate.

But please: educate me.

And don't tell me to do my homework or tell me to read what is on Ron Paul's website or supply me with some links. You're his advocate. You tell me.

Paul McGrath| 12.28.11 @ 9:48PM

I just reread Mr. Jack in Wi.'s comment. I am sorry I responded to it. To respond to such a vile pronouncement is to give it credibility that it does not deserve. I will no longer respond to him.

Bob Grant| 12.28.11 @ 11:11PM

Considering what mooslims do to foreigners, females, and members of other religions, sacrificing a few goats and chickens would be a positive change in the area.

By the way, the most prosperous arabs and muslims living in the middle east happen to reside inside the country of Israel.

Mikejdp| 12.28.11 @ 5:44PM

It's Iowa, "wow" my a$$...

Paul McGrath| 12.28.11 @ 6:23PM

The moment I read the name "Paul" in Occam's comment, I figured it was just a matter of time before Clint showed up. And yep, there he is.

It's like conjuring up a demon with an obscenity.

Clint| 12.28.11 @ 6:32PM

We Tea Party Patriots Play Four Quarters & Don't Leave It In The Locker Room, Israel Firster Agenda Boy.

That's How We Dealt With The 2010 Elections & That's How We Deal With The 2012 Elections.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

Oldefarte| 12.29.11 @ 4:42PM

Clit reminds me of this Alabama football player:

'.....Santa Maze.....Senior wide receiver Marquis Maze was asked what he got for Christmas.
"Nothing," he said. "I had to give everybody presents this year."I gave my son a motorized truck. That's was the best gift I gave."
Does his son like the gift?"I don't know," Maze said. "He can't talk."Marquis Maze II is 11 months old.....'

Bob Grant| 12.28.11 @ 6:36PM

I like Santorum. I like the cut of his jib and would vote for him in a heart beat should he become the nominee but, man, he's like the David Woodley's or Danny White's of the good-NFL-quarterbacks-you've-never-heard-of; the Scott McGregor's of the good-pitchers-on-a-great-pitching staff-but-never-heard-of; the Rober-Duval's of the good-actors-who-are-in-a-ton-of-great-movies-but-couldn't-recognize-on-the-street types.

Could he inspire those insipid moderates and independents whose votes he would need to win the presidency?

Bob Grant| 12.28.11 @ 6:38PM

...What would prevent him from simply blending into the set background during a debate with Obummer?

Haddit| 12.30.11 @ 12:36PM

I don't think he can Bob. Not that he's not a good man. He just doesn't have that magnitude to grasp an audience and get em yelling. This quaint guy approach to the Ghetto Community organizer just wont get it. Newt, on the other hand can tear down every thought Obama's speech writers could ever fream of and without the stammering. We must remember, Newt has been a part of everything that has gone on for quite some time, he's no stranger to the job. These other candidates will be snookered by Obama's writers. Newt knows what those nut buddies will try to say and respond appropriately, period. Iowa is worrying me. If they want Obama to win, why don't they just say so.........

Haddit| 12.30.11 @ 12:28PM

Santorum hasn't shown me anything that would imply he's got a set. The first mention of race to him, he'll crumble like McCain did. We can't have that, man. Newt will squelch any of that kind of noise in a heart beat. He's said he will follow him around and defame him at every town hall. I believe he will and it will all be true. I tell ya one thing, if Newt picks up the 999 idea, he'll win hands down.

Clint| 12.28.11 @ 6:47PM

" New ( CNN ) Iowa Poll May Understate Paul’s Support

The issue is that CNN’s Iowa poll was conducted by using a list of registered Republican voters and registered Republicans only:

According to entrance polls in Iowa in 2008, for instance, about 15 percent of participants in the Republican caucus identified themselves as independents or Democrats on the way into the caucus site. Although the way that voters self-identify is not technically the same thing as which party they are officially registered with, this is probably a good proxy for what percentage of voters changed their registration to Republican when they signed in at the caucus location."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

DRed| 12.28.11 @ 7:30PM

Well, he's the last one left, right? Feel the momentorum.

William R| 12.28.11 @ 7:35PM

Hillyer, the CNN poll only polled Republicans. Sorry but it doesn't work that way in Iowa. Independents decide the caucuses.

Dan| 12.28.11 @ 8:57PM

If these numbers are real, then Santorum is going to be targeted for destruction soon.

We'll be getting stories of how over earnest he is, how stridently religious, how narrow-minded, how fixated he is on homosexuals, {and of course subtext they'll throw in against him, "what's with that.." implying he's one of 'em, but closeted, his kids are cover I suppose...}.

bill| 12.28.11 @ 11:05PM

So every four years in IA, we have a surprise winner, this time it may be Rick Santorum. Whoever gets the GOP nominee, must keep in mind that GOP must win PA, and that's why Santorum is a big deal, for just being a Pennsylvanian.

martin j smith| 12.29.11 @ 8:07AM

I would vote for him over Ron Paul any day. Then again would also vote for Donald Duck over Ron Paul. And by the way --both the Socialists and Ron Paul crowd and other interest groups send their payed operatives to vote. Do away with all cauci please.

Oldefarte| 12.29.11 @ 11:23AM

'..... Only One Candidate Is Right On The Two Most Important Issues by Ann Coulter (more by this author)Posted 12/28/2011 ETUpdated 12/28/2011 ETIn the upcoming presidential election, two issues are more important than any others: repealing Obamacare and halting illegal immigration. If we fail at either one, the country will be changed permanently.Taxes can be raised and lowered. Regulations can be removed (though they rarely are). Attorneys general and Cabinet members can be fired. Laws can be repealed. Even Supreme Court justices eventually die.But capitulate on illegal immigration, and the entire country will have the electorate of California. There will be no turning back.Similarly, if Obamacare isn't repealed in the next few years, it never will be.America will begin its ineluctable descent into becoming a worthless Western European country, with rotten health care, no money for defense and ever-increasing federal taxes to support the nanny state.So let's consider which of the Republican candidates are most likely to succeed at these objectives.In order to allow Democrats to indignantly denounce Republicans who said Obamacare would add to the deficit, the bill was structured so that no goodies get paid out immediately. That way, when the Congressional Budget Office was asked to determine if Obamacare was "revenue neutral" over its first 10 years, government accountants were looking at a bill that collected taxes for 10 years, but only distributed treats in the later years.Starting at year 11, those accountants will be in for a big surprise when the government starts paying out Obamacare benefits without interruption.Because of this accounting fraud, Obamacare can still be repealed. But as soon as all Americans have been thrown off their employer-provided insurance plans and are forced to start depending on the government for health care, Republicans will never be able to repeal it.The vast complex of unionized government workers managing our health care from Washington will fight to keep their jobs (for more on this topic, see the Department of Education), voters will want their "free" government treats (for more on this topic, see Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security) -- and even if they don't, there won't be a private insurance market for them to go back to (for more on this topic, see IRS rules favoring employer-provided health care).The only way to stop Obamacare is to beat Obama in 2012, and repeal it before the health care Leviathan is born.Otherwise, starting in 2016, Republicans will run for office promising only to improve Obamacare. Newt Gingrich will be calling plans to reform it "right-wing social engineering."All current Republican presidential candidates say they will overturn Obamacare. The question for Republican primary voters should be: Who is most likely to win?2012 is not a year for a wild card. It's not a year for any candidate who will end up being the issue, instead of making Obama the issue. It's not a year for one wing of the Republican Party to be making a point with another wing. (And there are no Rockefeller Republicans left, anyway.) It's not a year to be gambling that America will vote for its first woman president, or that the country is ready for a nut-bar libertarian.Running against an incumbent president in a make-or-break election, Republicans need a candidate with a track record of winning elections with voters similar to the entire American electorate.Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich have never had to win votes beyond small, majority-Republican congressional districts.Jon Huntsman, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum have won statewide elections, but Huntsman and Perry ran in extremely red states that don't resemble the American electorate.Only Romney and Santorum have won a statewide election in a blue state, making them our surest-bets in a general election.But if Santorum wins, we lose on the second most important issue -- illegal immigration -- and he'll be the last Republican ever to win a general election in America.Just as Americans ought to be able to learn the perils of a welfare state by looking at Greece, we ought to be able to learn the perils of illegal immigration by looking at California.Massive legal and illegal immigration has already so changed the California electorate that no Republican can be elected statewide anymore. Not so long ago, this was a state that produced great Republican governors and senators like Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, S.I. Hayakawa and Pete Wilson.If even Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman, two bright, attractive, successful female business executives -- one pro-life and one pro-choice -- can't win a statewide election in California spending millions of their own dollars in the middle of the 2010 Republican sweep, it's buenas noches, muchachos.And yet, almost all Republican presidential candidates support some form of amnesty for illegals in order to appeal to the business lobby.Among the most effective measures against illegal immigration is E-Verify, the Homeland Security program that gives employers the ability to instantly confirm that their employees' Social Security numbers are legitimate. It is more than 99 percent accurate, and no employee is denied a job without an opportunity to challenge the records.Although wildly popular with Americans -- including Hispanic Americans -- the business lobby hates E-Verify. Employers like hiring non-Americans because they can pay illegal aliens less and ignore state and federal employment laws.Any candidate who opposes E-Verify is not serious about illegal immigration. If anything, E-Verify ought to be made mandatory to get a job, to get welfare and to vote.Kowtowing to business (while pretending to kowtow to Hispanics), Paul, Perry and Santorum oppose E-Verify. As a senator, Rick Santorum voted against even the voluntary use of E-Verify.Jon Huntsman claims to support E-Verify, but also wants to give illegals amnesty as soon as the border is sealed -- as determined by someone other than us. Also, he gave driver's identification cards to illegal aliens in Utah. (You'd think a guy no one has ever heard of would be more careful about ID cards.)Following his latest guru, Helen Krieble, Newt Gingrich is for amnesty, combined with second-class status for illegals. Instead of giving illegal aliens green cards, Newt proposes giving them "red cards" so they can stay, take American jobs, have children, receive welfare benefits, attend public schools -- and eventually be granted amnesty. The Republican primaries will be over before most voters realize what Newt's "red card" scheme entails.Only Michele Bachmann and Mitt Romney aren't trying to sneak through amnesty for illegal aliens. Both support E-Verify.Numbers USA, one of the leading groups opposed to our current insane immigration policies, gives Republican presidential candidates the following grades on immigration: Paul, F; Gingrich, D-minus; Huntsman, D-minus; Santorum, D-minus; Perry, D; Romney, C-minus; and Bachmann, B-minus.And that was before Romney said last week that Obama's drunk-driving, illegal alien uncle should be deported!That leaves us with Romney and Bachmann as the candidates with the strongest, most conservative positions on illegal immigration. As wonderful as Michele Bachmann is, 2012 isn't the year to be trying to make a congresswoman the first woman president.Two Little Indians sitting in the sun; one was just a congresswoman and then there was one.....'

Haddit| 12.30.11 @ 12:55PM

I like your writing but let me hear what ya think of 999 and or the Fair Tax. Would we even have to care about illegals or even visitors with this plan on line. If they buy something they pay taxes. No lobbyists, no tax day(IRS). We get our entire check. No more under the table paying, manufaturors come back to America, 47% of Americans will be paying something into the pot FOR A CHANGE, etc. Cain was the only one talking sense. The one that talks that sense again will get my vote.

tonypal| 12.29.11 @ 2:09PM

Who cares!!! Kelly Clarkson has just endorsed Ron Paul!!! Clint must be positively orgasmic. Who next, Mr. Teeny from the Simpsons?

Oldefarte| 12.29.11 @ 4:44PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Barack Obama endorses Paul also [they both have similar political philosophies]!!!!!!!

baby car seat reviews | 12.31.11 @ 10:38AM

We must remember, Newt has been a part of everything that has gone on for quite some time, he's no stranger to the job. These other candidates will be snookered by Obama's writers. Newt knows what those nut buddies will try to say and respond appropriately, period. Iowa is worrying me. If they want Obama to win, why don't they just say so.........

Breville 800jexl | 12.31.11 @ 10:45AM

Just as Americans ought to be able to learn the perils of a welfare state by looking at Greece, we ought to be able to learn the perils of illegal immigration by looking at California.Massive legal and illegal immigration has already so changed the California electorate that no Republican can be elected statewide anymore. Not so long ago, this was a state that produced great Republican governors and senators like Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, S.I. Hayakawa and Pete Wilson.If even Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman, two bright, attractive, successful female business executives -- one pro-life and one pro-choice -- can't win a statewide election in California spending millions of their own dollars in the middle of the 2010 Republican sweep, it's buenas noches, muchachos

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