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Rep. Ron Paul has raised more than his share of controversy in Republican ranks by advocating an end to promiscuous intervention and war-making. While it is hard to know what service personnel generally think, Rep. Paul is winning the money-raising race among those in the military.
Representative Ron Paul, the congressman who favors the most minimalist American combat role of any major presidential candidate and who said all of the above quotes, has more financial support from active duty members of the service than any other politician.
As of the last reporting date, at the end of September, Paul leads all candidates by far in donations from service members. This trend has been in place since 2008, when Paul ran for president with a similar stance: calling nonsense at hawk squawk from both parties.
This year, Paul has 10 times the individual donations - totaling $113,739 - from the military as does Mitt Romney. And he has a hundred times more than Newt Gingrich, who sat out the Vietnam War with college deferments and now promises he would strike foes at the slightest provocation.
Actually, this should surprise no one. Service personnel may argue about policy like anyone else. But most important for anyone who could end up in harm’s way is to have a president who takes their potential sacrifice seriously and does not view them as just another campaign prop in the next election.
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ElizabethB| 12.24.11 @ 11:19AM
Ron Paul 2012! For the troops, who are sworn to protect us....
Clint| 12.24.11 @ 11:19AM
" Dr. Ron Paul served in the United States Air Force as a flight surgeon for several years (1963-1965). While in the air force, Paul reached the rank of Captain. Directly after his service in the air force, Paul worked again as a flight surgeon for the United States Air National Guard (1965-1968).
" Paul served as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force in the 1960s, spending time on the ground in countries like Ethiopia, Iran, Pakistan, South Korea, and Turkey. He also sits on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs."
http://digitaljournal.com/article/316304
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Jay| 12.24.11 @ 11:31AM
I am a veteran and I am voting for Ron Paul.
Dan| 12.24.11 @ 11:38AM
You're overlooking something.
And that's the Fed.
The more people learn about the Fed, how it was created, what it does, the fact that those who make up the Fed are relatively unknown and unaudited.
It's an outrage.
And Paul who has been sowing the seeds about the Fed for quite some time has now slowly started to see progress.
aware| 12.24.11 @ 11:43AM
This won't sit well with a few around here.
Tom| 12.24.11 @ 12:40PM
This has about as much relevance as more Moonies being wiling to sell flowers on street corners than members of evangelical churches.
A cultist is admittedly more zealous in service to their cult master than are normal people.
Red Phillips | 12.24.11 @ 12:47PM
But Tom, Paul doesn't lead in total donation amount. By your logic he should. Paul gets donations from individual small donors. Romney gets donations from fat cat money men.
Tom| 12.24.11 @ 4:04PM
Your ignorant Paultard rant makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Red Phillips | 12.24.11 @ 5:43PM
Well maybe that's because you're dense. I'll try to make it simple for you. If the reason Ron Paul has more donations from the Military is simply because his supporters are more "cultish" then why doesn't he lead in total donations also? But he doesn't lead in total donations.
Occam's Tool| 12.25.11 @ 12:54AM
Thank you, General Burnside.
Tom| 12.25.11 @ 10:45AM
It's because most military personnel put their money to more constructive uses than donating it to politicians--especially Herr Doktor Nutjob--like spending it on dope and hookers.
SGT Tony| 12.25.11 @ 11:03PM
You're an idiot. Most soldiers I work with tend to follow politics far more than the average civilian. While I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, I can agree with some of his stances.
You, sir, are an idiot to even think we in the military are some sort of cultists. Why don't you get off your high horse and actually see what the men and women in the services do? We are some of the most intelligent people in the US. And unlike some people, we all raised our right hand and volunteered. I have seen more of this world than most of the people in my home town, combined. I have a better education than the majority of people I went to high school with. I'm more physically fit than half the country.
Cultist? I think not. And spending money on dope and hookers? Really, have you ever talked to a service member? Or do you follow what your political masters, still stuck in the 60's, believe the U.S. military to be?
JR| 12.27.11 @ 11:10PM
Bullshit. I'm sorry but dont agree with the statement that ya'll are the most intelligent. In fact compared to previous generations of soldiers I believe today we have the weakest.
Tom| 12.28.11 @ 5:29PM
My Dear Sgt., why don't YOU get off your high horse. I was NOT calling all members of the military cultists. That designation was meant strictly for Paultards. And those pathetic, miserable sad excuses for human being are cultists whether they are in the military or in civilian life.
And I will continue to say that most members of the U.S. Miltary would rather spend money on dope and hookers rather than donate it to Ron Paul. In fact, most members of the U.S. military would rather pull latrine duty than support Ron Paul
Friend of America| 12.25.11 @ 2:00AM
I understood it just fine, maybe you have a mental block
Tom| 12.25.11 @ 10:56AM
Or that you are so mentally challenged that you are an expert of beign able to interpret Paultardese.
Dai Alanye | 12.25.11 @ 12:30PM
Makes no sense to me. We low-ranking ground-pounders had minimal interest in politics, and our attitude was on the belligerent side. Is today's military that different? You'd think they would realize that Paul's attitude comes from his desire to avoid personal danger rather than any particular concern for the troops.
C Bowen | 12.25.11 @ 6:38PM
Yeah, but you, Dai, were pro treason on another thread--that is pro-illegal, by your own account, leaking of supposed intelligence.
If you are still active, I should hope you are investigated with such an attitude.
Dai Alanye | 12.26.11 @ 1:07AM
Since C Bowen appears to have me confused with someone else, let me attempt to be more specific.
When I previously served in the military, active and reserve, political matters were rarely of concern in the enlisted ranks. Most of us, however, favored taking a hard line with America's enemies, and would have despised a wimp like Ron Paul had we ever taken the time to think about him.
As far as the leaking of intelligence, I believe it merits the strictest of punishments, and prefer Bradley Manning, perhaps after appropriate counseling by someone like C Bowen, being given a life term in a women's prison.
DH| 12.24.11 @ 2:42PM
There is a no bigger cultist than the Truthers - I mean the Iraqi truthers. You know the ones who personally saw Saddam's stockpile move from Iraq to Syria, the ones who told us who will be greeted as liberators and the ones who are the biggest beneficiaries of the "freedom subsidies." LOLAY!
Tom| 12.24.11 @ 4:06PM
For Paultard traitor scum like you, Bradley Manning is your idea of the ideal soldier.
DH| 12.24.11 @ 4:10PM
You must be 5. And your fear is palpable.
To address your rant, what do you have against people exposing fraud at the highest level of government? Oh, I forgot, that cuts down on your feed.
Tom| 12.25.11 @ 10:47AM
So what did you buy for your boyfriend, Bradley Manning, this Chrismas? Now that you can't get up close and personal with him, your wet dreams of him will have to suffice.
Clint| 12.24.11 @ 4:16PM
Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Flunkie Stooge, Tommy Girl Kept SILENT about His Fellow Traveler Israel Firster Ben ami Kadish.
" Ben-ami Kadish is a former U.S. Army mechanical engineer. He pleaded guilty in December 2008 to being an "unregistered agent for Israel", and admitted to disclosing classified U.S. documents to Israel in the 1980s.His unauthorized disclosure of classified U.S. secrets to Israel was concurrent with the espionage activity of Jonathan Pollard.
In December 2008, Kadish pleaded guilty to acting as an unregistered agent of Israel, admitting he gave classified documents to Israel in the 1980s.Prosecutors asserted that Kadish had furnished classified American secrets to Yosef Yagur, the same Israeli agent who had received secret documents from Jonathan Pollard.
In determining the sentence, Judge William H. Pauley III asserted, "Why it took the government 23 years to charge Mr. Kadish is shrouded in mystery."Pauley stated that prison would "serve no purpose" for a man of Kadish's advanced age and infirmity, opting to levy a $50,000 fine against Kadish. The prosecutor stated that the decision to accept the plea agreement was based on Kadish's cooperation and his willingness to admit wrongdoing. Prior to sentencing, Kadish faced the judge standing with the aid of a cane and stated, "I'm sorry I made a mistake ... It was a misjudgment. I thought I was helping the state of Israel without harming the United States."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Tom| 12.25.11 @ 10:54AM
Herr KKKlint is merely following the lesson taught by one of his mentors, Josef Goebbels, when he insists on posting the same old lie even when it has been throroughly refuted in the hope that people will eventually believe it.
He posted this same rubbish the other day, and here is my response which he never replied to to:
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Tom| 12.22.11 @ 5:03PM
Herr KKKlint once again demonstrates that he is ignorant, delusional, dishonest, and a total dummkopf.
I've NEVER mentioned Jonathan Pollard here. And as for Ben ami Kadish, I had to actually use Google to find out who he is. But that doesn't prevent Herr Klint from giving us another one of his mindless, irrational, and totally irrelevant Paultard rants.
For the record, ARE YOU LISTENING HERR KKLINT?....For the record, both Pollard and Ben ami Kadish should spend the rest of their miserable and worthless lives rotting in a federal pennatentary somewhere; never again to see the light of day.
If I was dealing with a person with the least bit of intellgence and personal integrity, I would demand a retraction and apology for his lying statement. But Herr KKKlint is a Paultard to whom intelligence and integrity are foreign concepts. So I am not expecting either a retraction or apology from this Paultard scumbag anytime soon.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 9:59PM
That's The Whole Point, Israel FirsterPropaganda Squad Traitor Bitch, Tommy Girl.
You Israel Firsters Never Say A Word About Your Fellow Israel Firster Traitor Bastards Spying For Israel.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Israel Firster Traitor Bitch, Tommy Girl.
Tom| 12.28.11 @ 5:34PM
No, Herr KKKlint, you neo-Nazi Paultard scum, the point is that your statement was shown to be both stupid and an outright lie. But rather than retract it, you replied with nothing but another mindless Paultard rant. A man of honor and integrity would have retracted it. But I am not dealing with a man of honor and integrity, I am dealing with a Paultard.
Red Phillips | 12.24.11 @ 12:47PM
This veteran is voting for Paul.
9thID| 12.24.11 @ 6:48PM
This veteran is NOT voting for Paul, nor is any other veteran or active duty personnel associated with my VFW post. "Ron Paul" is a vulgarity of the worst kind here...
Joe| 12.24.11 @ 6:51PM
Maybe because you ran everyone from your VFW post off?
Sean| 12.24.11 @ 9:56PM
My brother a vet from the 82nd will be voting for Ron Paul also.
Red Phillips | 12.24.11 @ 12:57PM
And many thanks to Doug Bandow for bringing some much needed perspective to AmSpec.
C Bowen | 12.25.11 @ 6:39PM
Raise one for Doug Bandow!
MikeG| 12.24.11 @ 12:59PM
Agree. We are tired of being canon fodder in Korea, Vietnam, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Somalia, Grenada, Panama, Libya, Iraq, Kuwait, Central Africa,Lebanon, Afghanistan, and God only knows where else.
David Sullivan| 12.24.11 @ 1:53PM
Sorry, Tom, but making a false analogy doesn't really make a proper argument.
Tom| 12.24.11 @ 4:07PM
Prove that it is false analogy.
Oldefarte| 12.24.11 @ 2:02PM
And that ain't all, folks [maybe some of his ardent supporters here are also being paid to blog for Ron?] :
"....Paul's presidential campaign is thoroughly intertwined with the nonprofits. The Campaign for Liberty calls itself a lobbying group for "individual liberty, constitutional government, sound money, free markets and a noninterventionist foreign policy" — a tidy summation of Paul's campaign platform. Young Americans for Liberty's support of Paul is even more explicit, calling itself the continuation of the Students for Ron Paul wing of his 2008 campaign, coordinating his visits to campuses and publishing a magazine in which he laid out his "agenda for a freedom president."....Between the 2008 and 2012 campaigns, both nonprofits were stocked with Paul aides and relatives. Ivers served as Paul's Iowa campaign chairman in 2008 and holds the same position again this year. The Campaign for Liberty's president, John Tate, was paid a total of $338,000 by the group in 2009 and 2010. He is now Paul's national campaign manager. The nonprofit's senior vice president was Jesse Benton, who is now Paul's campaign chairman; its vice president was Debbie Hopper, who is now Paul's assistant campaign manager.....Lori Pyeatt, Paul's daughter, served until recently as the Campaign for Liberty's part-time secretary and treasurer, earning $34,000 for her work last year. Her daughter is married to Benton. Paul's son Ronnie is the group's unpaid chairman.....In all, nine out of the 16 staff members at the Campaign for Liberty are on leaves of absence from the group to work for Paul's campaign. The nonprofit's executive director, Matthew Hawes, said the group is still able to function and is an active advocate on state and federal issues unrelated to Paul's presidential campaign....Paul campaign spokesman Gary Howard — who for 18 months served as the Campaign for Liberty's spokesman — said Paul resigned as Campaign for Liberty's honorary chairman when he joined the presidential race and believes the nonprofits complied with Internal Revenue Service rules. Still, like Ivers, he acknowledged the nonprofits have indirectly aided the campaign by training activists and raising his issues....." [from Newsmax]
Q. Werty| 12.24.11 @ 2:23PM
maybe some of his ardent supporters here are also being paid to blog for Ron?
Heh. If the most prolific "supporters" here are paid by anyone it's not the Ron Paul campaign.
John Drake| 12.24.11 @ 2:27PM
In other words, OF, "I can't come up with a coherent argument, so I'll try the old smear tactic once again to see if it works this time."
Mike| 12.24.11 @ 2:56PM
Christians are citizens of this country to, and Paul has demonstrated he can't treat Christians equally.
Patrick| 12.24.11 @ 3:09PM
What does that even mean? He is a Christian.
And as to the charge that he has deep ties to the Campaign for Liberty... Duh, he started it! Us supporters support them.
If the best you can do is that members of RPs fam worked for C4L and for his campaign with one earning a whopping 30,000$?!
Open your eyes guys. This guy fights for each and everyone of us whether you know it or agree with it. Try and say that about newt or mitt.
Oldefarte| 12.25.11 @ 3:24PM
As the old saying goes, THE TRUTH HURTS, right??????????????
David Sullivan| 12.24.11 @ 2:35PM
Looks like NEWSMAX has uncovered some really groundbreaking stuff!
winston | 12.24.11 @ 2:41PM
nah... this is BS.
Clint| 12.24.11 @ 3:41PM
" Message to Minorities "Ron Paul is Spelling this Sh*t out for You" Ron Paul 2012"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWNRifg2jA
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Tom Lowe| 12.24.11 @ 3:58PM
This retired Army, Operation Iraqi Freedom Veteran, is voting for Ron Paul. I don't want my son, who is serving in the 11th ACR, to be sent to foreign lands to protect big business and special interests. Ron Paul 2012.
Tom| 12.24.11 @ 4:08PM
Your, sir, are a disgrace to the U.S. Army.
DH| 12.24.11 @ 4:13PM
You are a disgrace to your parents. Your spelling and grammatical errors are shocking. They tell me a lot about the nature of support of other candidates.
Tom| 12.28.11 @ 5:49PM
D(ick)H(ead), your comment is further proof that those who attack someone for their typos on a message board have nothing of value to offer to the discussion.
As for being a parent, that is something tht an effeminate she-male such as yourself will never personnally experience.
Tom Lowe| 12.24.11 @ 4:55PM
Really? How so? Have you served? Have you stood the front line of combat for your principles?
DH| 12.24.11 @ 7:23PM
You bet I have. The only fight you have fought for is your welfare check and I can see right through that. The only soldier you salute is the one who has died for your client.
Back to your cage neocon tool.
Tom| 12.28.11 @ 5:52PM
D(ick)H(ead); kiss my right wing, conservative, patriotic American arse.
Tom| 12.28.11 @ 6:03PM
And D(ick)H(ead); you are one of those people who joined the military just to gest the goodies you can out of the U.S. government; but then cried like a little girl when they sent you to actual combate duty.
Tom| 12.28.11 @ 5:50PM
Whether I did or not is totally irrelevant, and shall NOT be addressed here.
John Drake| 12.24.11 @ 4:22PM
Mr. Lowe, I salute you for this expression of your loyalty to your oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Don't be deterred by those who don't have knowledge, or the intelligence, or the character, to see that you are taking the honorable, not the disgraceful, course.
Oldefarte| 12.25.11 @ 3:28PM
'....Don't be deterred by those who don't have knowledge, or the intelligence, or the character...' In other words, those who do no choose to kiss Ron's ars and to act/think """""STUPIDLY""""" perhaps??????????
Clint| 12.24.11 @ 4:11PM
You're A Serial Disgrace To America, Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Flunkie Stooge, Tommy Girl.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Tommy Girl Once Again.
Tom| 12.28.11 @ 5:53PM
Herr KKKlint, you neo-Nazi, sub-human Paultard scum; take your swastika and stick it.
Anonu| 12.24.11 @ 4:20PM
It's not particularly surprising that military supports goes in Paul's direction. Various polls over the last two years have shown that upwards of 50% of troops currently in a combat role basically fully accept blowback theory. That essentially puts 50% behind Paul by default.
martin j smith| 12.24.11 @ 4:46PM
So why are these so called Military Personnel in the Military for the Travel and Water Skiing ? These reports need more scrutiny to find out what this is really about. So far I am not buying it.
Tom Lowe| 12.24.11 @ 4:59PM
To support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Not to protect the wealth and influence of the rich and insiders.
Reaganaut| 12.24.11 @ 4:54PM
You can't be serious. You think our military support a guy who thinks Bradley Manning is a patriot?
Tom Lowe| 12.24.11 @ 5:00PM
I do not know all the details of the Manning issue but if he exposed the lies and deception of the American leadership then more power to him.
Tom| 12.28.11 @ 5:55PM
Manning is a traitor and criminal. And those like yourself and your Cult Master are accomplices in his treason and criminality by defending his actions.
Clint| 12.24.11 @ 5:46PM
Do Your Homework, Sport.
" Mitt Romney Responds to Question about Bradley Manning / War Crimes "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EtmGted3D0
The tea Party Rebellion Is here And In Iowa.
Clint| 12.24.11 @ 5:51PM
That Was For The Faux Conservatives,Who Question American Veteran Military Officer Dr.Ron Paul's Motivations, Regarding Reporting War Crimes In The Bradley Manning Issue.
Matthew Good| 12.24.11 @ 7:49PM
Every now and then I'll read an article on spectator and find your comments. I'm glad you defend Ron Paul, but I am afraid you do it in a way that turns potential voters for him away. We are in a rEVOLution, but remember it is about love. The only way this revolution is going to take off is if we persuade through factual information. It does not help when we label every person that disagrees or insults us as some kind of propagandist government shill or whatever you say. One must understand that even if someone attacks them, they must defend themselves with pride not hostility. We are all in this together.
Oldefarte| 12.25.11 @ 3:31PM
Duh, yoose thinks? Apparently that leaves out Clitorius Maximus!!!!!!
Ivan| 12.24.11 @ 5:48PM
Tell that to the military personnel who supports him, don't complain here.
9thID| 12.24.11 @ 6:52PM
Liberal-tarian Ron Paul is a worse traitor than his Liber-al buddies John Kerry and Jack Murtha.
Matthew Good| 12.24.11 @ 7:33PM
hmm... I love it when people try to discredit a person by use of etymology. It shows me that they do not understand the evolution of language because if they did they would understand that the meaning of words change. So what is a descent definition of what a Libertarian believes in modern days? "a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others." I hope this does not make one a traitor... I'd be the biggest kind.
DH| 12.24.11 @ 7:35PM
Don't be a disgrace to your division. If you like fighting other people's wars, I suggest you move there.
Occam's Tool| 12.25.11 @ 12:51AM
Bradley Manning's release of US intell data to Wikileaks is supported by Ron Paul. Let's see if that affects future donatioons by the military as the story has just broken.
Randy, you may be a Vet, but we don't have 30 carriers. We don't even have 20. We also have to protect our sea lanes. Sorry.
bob jones| 12.24.11 @ 5:02PM
You are so right about the military wanting someone who understands their sacrifice and takes it seriously. The military, by the way has contributed more to Ron Paul than to all of the other candidates combines including Obama. Pehaps they just wants someone who honors their oath of office and defends and protects all of our Constitutional rights.
SavageNation| 12.24.11 @ 5:16PM
Ron Paul...hated by left and right wing warmongers, one-worlders, America & Constitution haters worldwide!
Tom| 12.28.11 @ 5:57PM
Ron Paul--supported by neo-Nazis, America-haters, libertines, Klansmen, Paultards, idiots, morons, liars, and every sort of sub-human slime imaginable.
Randy | 12.24.11 @ 7:45PM
I donated to Ron Paul and have about a dozen other active duty friends who have done the same. Two Marine veteran friends of mine are working for his campaign in NYC.
I'm still on active duty and served a combat tour in Afghanistan.
I want a president who is willing to stand up to the military industrial complex and reduce our global footprint to something more within our budget. The British used to keep their naval spending to about the sum of the next two countries to keep themselves ahead and yet not to get carried away spending.
Our country is so warped now that when China unveils a retrofitted air craft carrier they made all the canidates freak out and say we should spend even more on defense. We have between 30-40 carriers.
SGT Baker (native Coloradoan)| 12.25.11 @ 3:24AM
We have 11 carriers....
bobmontgomery| 12.24.11 @ 10:15PM
Timothy Egan, the New York Times? Seriously?
Ron Paul? Seriously? Let's just throw our support behind Mahmoud Ahmedinejad and be done with it. There are a bunch of people writing and commenting here who are tripping. Seriously.
Occam's Tool| 12.25.11 @ 12:53AM
Merry Christmas, Mr. Montgomery. The Ron Paul supporters are a Cult. Ron Paul made beaucoup dollars from the sale of racists newsletters. he may not have written the stuff, but he profited from it greatly. Now he supports Bradley Manning's alleged actions. The man is a scumbag.
Red Phillips | 12.25.11 @ 9:53AM
Occam, support your accusation of "racism" with quotes in context instead of just carelessly throwing out the charge like some sort of hired underling of the SPLC.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 1:03AM
Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Traitor Bastard ,Tool Job Is An Apologist For The Deliberate Israeli IDF Attack On Our U.S.S. Liberty, Killing 34 Of Our Seamen And Wounding Another 170.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
martin j smith| 12.25.11 @ 8:29AM
Ron Paul and his supporters are more like Obama than any other candidate. They do not represent the Tea Party. Further, Ron Paul's policies just as in the case of Obama are MORE not less likely to get us involved in a combat war because as in the case of Obama we will be percieved ( correctly ) as weak. Thus Iran or North Korea will step over the line ( the line of no return that is )and bingo bang bang. Thanks to Ron Paul.
Red Phillips | 12.25.11 @ 9:07AM
Martin, your post illustrates the problem. Your view is inherently internationalist and meddlesome. You can't think American interests and security. You default think like an internationalist. North Korea and Iran are going to step over a "line?" Both countries are half way around the world from us and are no concern of ours. Unless the line you talk about is the border of the United States then America should mind its business. I don't think either Iran or NK is planning an invasion of the US do you? It is the notion that we can make "lines" that starts the wars, not perceived "weakness" on our part.
And since we get to make "lines" for other countries do any other countries get to set lines for us? No red-blooded American would put up with such nonsense and rightfully so, but then they think we can set lines for other countries. There is a word for that. Starts with an h I think.
Mark Steyn recently accused Ron Paul of a stunted parochialism in world affairs. Darn right. Thinking parochially is what conservative American patriots who love THEIR country do. Drawing lines for far off countries is what intrenationalists do.
Wayne| 12.25.11 @ 12:59PM
It wasn't conservatives who brought us the quagmire of Viet Nam. Why then have so many conservatives become warmongers?
Red Phillips | 12.25.11 @ 2:05PM
That's a great question Wayne. It is because a lot of people who consider themselves conservatives aren't really. I'm not suggesting most are intentionally practicing deceit. I'm suggesting most have been sold a bill of goods and don't know any better. That is why I shout from the rooftops at every opportunity that interventionism is not conservative. It is a radical Jacobin-like doctrine.
Oldefarte| 12.25.11 @ 3:42PM
'....Unless the line you talk about is the border of the United States then America should mind its business. I don't think either Iran or NK is planning an invasion of the US do you?....' Let's see now, would the activities of 9/11/01 perhaps constitute crossing a LINE to you? What about the vessel-boundaries of the USS Cole maybe doing so? Would Adolph and his Nazies have possibly stopped at the Atlantic Oceans boundaries? Would Sadaam have voluntarily retreated from Kuwait? Sure, AND THE COW JUMPED OVER THE MOON, WHILE THE DISH RAN AWAY WITH THE SPOON!!!!!!!!
Zbigniew Mazurak| 12.25.11 @ 4:27PM
North Korea and Iran are both VERY MUCH of concern to us. NK already has weapons of mass murder (including nuclear weapons) and ICBMs capable of reaching Alaska and Hawaii, and is developing even longer-ranged ICBMs. Iran is developing both types of these weapons. Moreover, the idea that threats BEYOND America's borders are nto really threats to the US and that if an allied country was subjugated, the US wouldn't suffer, is a fantasy.
No, thnking parochially is not what conservative American patriots who love their country do. It is what idiots who care only about their own asses and don't care about the country (let alone America's allies) do.
Wake up, folks. This is the 21st century, not the 18th century. This is the era of ICBMs and nuclear weapons, not coastal forts and coastal batteries.
lester| 12.25.11 @ 9:28PM
You think Iran or North Korea would launch missiles at the United States? Seriously? The retaliation would be like nothing the world has every seen.
"and that if an allied country was subjugated"
I don't think Canada or Mexico is going to go communist or muslim. or Europe or India.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 9:11AM
Dr.Ron Paul, " I will ask Congress For A Declaration of War against Iran, if necessary."
Dr.Ron Paul voted to use force in Afghanistan.
" Dr. Ron Paul served in the United States Air Force as a flight surgeon for several years (1963-1965). While in the air force, Paul reached the rank of Captain. Directly after his service in the air force, Paul worked again as a flight surgeon for the United States Air National Guard (1965-1968).
" Paul served as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force in the 1960s, spending time on the ground in countries like Ethiopia, Iran, Pakistan, South Korea, and Turkey. He also sits on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs."
http://digitaljournal.com/article/316304
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Kingofthenet| 12.25.11 @ 9:16AM
Well can you BLAME them? If I was a service member, i'd be getting a little tired of the CONSTANT deployments. Real Army soldiers aren't like 'dime store' plastic ones, they can't face the 'meatgrinders' we keep tossing them into. I wonder what even Patton would have looked like if WWII had continued Non-stop into the 50's.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 9:37AM
" The New Hampshire Gazette
The Chickenhawk Hall Of Shame
name:
Willard Mitt Romney
rank:
Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross
date-of-birth:
March 12, 1947
home state:
Michigan
missed opportunity:
Vietnam War
excuse:
None to speak of
preferred activity:
Trying to talk people into becoming Mormons
occupation:
Climbing ambition's greased pole
When your daddy's a Governor and a Cabinet Secretary, it's amazing how your odds of being drafted diminish."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Wayne| 12.25.11 @ 12:57PM
Well I was drafted in 1970 and not one other member of my fraternity was drafted. I guess that makes them all chicken-hawks right?
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 5:09PM
Figure It Out, Sport.
" The New Hampshire Gazette
The Chickenhawk Hall Of Shame
name:
Willard Mitt Romney
rank:
Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross
date-of-birth:
March 12, 1947
home state:
Michigan
missed opportunity:
Vietnam War
excuse:
None to speak of
preferred activity:
Trying to talk people into becoming Mormons
occupation:
Climbing ambition's greased pole
When your daddy's a Governor and a Cabinet Secretary, it's amazing how your odds of being drafted diminish."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Red Phillips | 12.25.11 @ 10:01AM
A real conservative website, VDARE, has published a defense of the newsletters.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/.....-elect-a-n
The question is whether the pretend conservatives will continue with their shameless PC pandering.
martin j smith| 12.25.11 @ 10:38AM
Red Phillips you have no idea of what you speak so I say to you. Good By. But to those who do not have plugs in their ears defending our Nation would include defending not only our borders --which I do not hear Ron Paul talking much about say our really foolish relationship with Mexico and the issue of the Drug Cartel's infiltrating our own space but, what will Ronnie do if Iran tries to close off supplies of our oil ? Will he open Alaska and other places to drilling ?
Why does he not challenge Obama on these policies ? Oh yes, he hates America exactly as Obama does. If Ron Paul is so concerned about our security he would challenge Obama not only on his allowing this nation to be vulnerable to other nations wims but he did meddle thru NATO in the latest Arab Spring ( so called ) and Obama basically has the intention of allowing or perhaps encouraging is the right word a Caliphate in North Africa and beyond --so where is Ron Paul on that ? Fact is Ron Paul =Obama. America hater,America Laster and a racist besides.
No thinking "parochially"=Stupidly+Obama is what we already have. Mark Steyn is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and you RED PHILLIPS are absolutely wrong.
The right approach to the Arab Spring would have been to watch and waite and see the outcome. And given the outcome --namely Islamic Radicals taking over I believe our correct approach would have been not intervene militarily but to observe any human rights violations and condemn them--
such as brutality against Christians. I am not for military intervention unless it is in our national security interests but I am all for criticizing nations for human rights violations. And as for our national interest that is for our law makers to debate and decide last I heard. But indeed they should be doing that not just rubber stamping.
Sadly our politiclal system is such that debate is not possible at least not honest debate. Its all political posturing not even about our national interest.
Red Phillips | 12.25.11 @ 10:36PM
"Red Phillips you have no idea of what you speak so I say to you. Good By."
Typical interventionist ideologue. When they are preaching to someone other than the choir and get push back they can't handle it. There is a word for this. It is called being a chicken. Come back and debate me once you grow a pair.
"what will Ronnie do if Iran tries to close off supplies of our oil"
If Iran did that it would be an act of aggression and Ron Paul would respond appropriately, but Iran is not going to preemptively try to close off our oil supply and if you believe that you are an even more clueless interventionist ideologue than I imagined. They would do that in response to an attack by us in order to up the stakes of such an attack. No attack by us, no attempt to shut off our oil supply.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 10:53AM
Dr.Ron Paul's Foreign Policy Advisor Michael Scheuer, Former CIA Chief of The bin Laden Unit,
" On Iran, The President should:
1.) Explain to the American people that Iran is no threat to the United States unless we or Israel attack it first, and then it would be a serious threat to U.S. access to energy and would likely stage terrorist operations in the continental United States. [The last thanks to 30-years of federal immigration policies that leave us without knowledge of who is in the country or what they are capable of doing.]
2.) Publicly state that there will be no U.S. surprise attack on Iran, and no U.S. attack at all on Iran unless the president asks for a formal declaration of war and the Congress votes its approval in a constitutional manner.
3.) Call in Israel's ambassador to the United States and tell him that we understand that Israel believes Iran is a threat to its survival, and that we agree that Israel has every right to defend itself. If Israel believes it must go to war with Iran, then so be it. But also tell the ambassador that if Israel attacks Iran, the U.S. administration will declare U.S. neutrality in the war and immediately cut off military and financial support to all combatants in the war.
4.) Speak to the American people and tell them to expect to be brutally propagandized by U.S. citizen Israel-Firsters through AIPAC, their ubiquitous media shills, and the men and women they own in the U.S. Congress and federal bureaucracy. Urge Americans to ignore this effort by U.S. Israel-Firsters to get them to send their soldier-children to fight in a religious war in which the U.S. has no genuine national interest at stake, and in which U.S. participation would further bankrupt the country, require the reintroduction of conscription, and put America at war with all of the Muslim world -- Shia and Sunni -- for the foreseeable future."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Oldefarte| 12.25.11 @ 3:59PM
'....Urge Americans to ignore this effort by U.S. Israel-Firsters to get them to send their soldier-children to fight in a religious war in which the U.S. has no genuine national interest at stake...' And by what lack of common sense does he/you explain that we have no 'national interest' in the economically critical supply of ME oil of which 2/3 of our supply of comes from that region of the world? Does Paul propose a solution to the historical environmental wackoes aka Democrats who have for decades politically prevented this country from domestically drilling/producing our known substantial oil supplies to replace that 2/3 that we import from the ME [that Paul apparently claims is not a 'national interest']? Does Paul ademently disagree with the current Democratic Party political stance that the proposed oil pipeline should NOT be built [which also would partially replace the 2/3 from the ME] maybe?????????????
martin j smith| 12.25.11 @ 10:58AM
And supposing after Doctor Ron Paul "explained" his ideas to the American People there was disagreement ? Then what ?
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 11:12AM
That's Why These Candidates Are In Iowa, Sport.
To See Which American Freemen Vote With Them Or Against Them.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
martin j smith| 12.25.11 @ 11:25AM
So there is absolutely no assurance that your Doctor Paul's ideas will be accepted or believed --that is fair to say.
By the way your reasoning in your post above is very weak. For example to say that Ron Paul would declare "neutrality" in a war between Israel and Iran will be impossible because Iran will attack US interests and on top of that not giving Israel military aid will is not "neutral" since Russia and China would give aid to Iran. Thus what this means is the US sides with Iran.. On top of that Israel will then be forced to use Nuclear weapons sooner and more certainly thus creating WW VI or is it VII ? No Clint your Obsession of being Anti-Israel is not only parochial but extremely dangerous ( and I also believe it is fundamentally based on Anti-Jewish sentiment ) --you can call it any kind of card you wish but it will not change my view but in fact it will affirm it because you actually do not dispute it like for example why are you so sure that Iran will not attack us --oh yeah they have been since Jimmy Carter days a man of your own heart right ? No Clint your Ron Paul if you are representing him correctly is very weak in reasoning and based on parochial hatreds of the Jewish People. If Ron Paul were truly "Neutral" he would attempt to get Russia and China out of assisting Iran and letting Israel and Iran go at it on their own. But of course he would be medling with China and Russia-poof their goes your argument right there.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 11:36AM
Dr. Ron Paul,
“Our military’s purpose is to defend our country, not to police the
Middle East.
“As the President prepares to send even more support to Egypt, we should
be reminded that it was our foreign aid that helped Mubarak retain power
to repress his people in the first place. Now we have to deal with the
consequences of those decisions, yet we keep repeating the same mistakes.
“I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign
policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies.
Most Americans know that makes no sense.
“We need to come to our senses, trade with our friends in the Middle
East (both Arab and Israeli), clean up our own economic mess so we set a
good example, and allow them to work out their own conflicts.”
Watch The Short Video And Understand History.
http://digitaljournal.com/article/316304
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 12:04PM
Uh Oh !
Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Flunkie Stooge, Smith Attempts To Play His Anti-Jew Card On Tea Party Clint.
I'm A Registered Republican, A Tea Party Patriot, A Real Conservative, Not A Plastic Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk, And Have Never Voted For A Democrat For President.
I'll Tell My Jewish Buddies Steve, Ron, Ari, Big Steve And Enoch That You Attempted To Play Your Anti-Jew Card On Me.
They'll Laugh Like Hell.
Red in Denver| 12.25.11 @ 12:29PM
INteresting!
So, then, does this mean that most service people are not concerned about Iran developing a nuclear device? Or does it mean that they, like Ron Paul, dismiss the IAEA report as having no facts/evidence?
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 3:57PM
Do Your Homework.
Dr.Ron Paul said the IAEA report didn't suggest Iran was "months away" from a nuke like Michelle Bachmann claimed it did.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 4:56PM
Do Your Homework And Then Talk To Bibi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWNRifg2jA
Wayne| 12.25.11 @ 12:54PM
I am a veteran and I agree with Paul that the US should not be the policeman of the world. How would we feel if China took on such a role?
However Paul himself is a stodgy old white man who would be a disaster as the President. Just listen to that nonsense about Bachmann and Muslims.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 3:49PM
Maybe Wayne's Just One Of Them Stodgy Old Black Men.
Message to Minorities "Ron Paul is Spelling this Sh*t out for You" Ron Paul 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWNRifg2jA
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
martin j smith| 12.25.11 @ 1:55PM
Hre is why Ron Paul's ideas would be a disaster: For Obama who =Paul already is.
Nentenyahu already got the idea long ago that Obama cannot be trusted at all for anything except perhaps the color of his underwear.
So of course Obama knows Netenyahu will not tell him or his agents in government certain secrets ( of course dumkoph they are secret !!!!!!!!!!!) but more to the point true plans of his own national security. Thus Obama who = Ron Paul has already set the stage for WW 6 or 7 already.
Now you add Ron Paul to this equation and Netenyahu or his representative will sit politely and smile. Listen to what Ron Paul has to say and say: " Thank you for your support,have a nice day". Then Netenyahu would plan his national security plans with the smallest number of people knowing the most secret of secrets so no spies will ever be able to find out. Then when the worst case happens--Kaboooooom!!!!!!!!!!! That will be the result such a policy whether of Ron Paul or Obama.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 4:57PM
Do Your Homework And Then Talk To Bibi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWNRifg2jA
Red Phillips | 12.25.11 @ 10:40PM
We are talking about AMERICAN foreign policy and how the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES should conduct it. What does the Prime Minister of Israel have to do with anything? As I said, your default presumptions are internationalist.
Oldefarte| 12.26.11 @ 12:09PM
Better to talk to Bibi [the PM of Israel], than to the religious fanatical ragheads that are progressively taking over the ME thanks to the El Chosen One's administration policy [no doubt with Paul's philosophical blessings] of placating their carpet bowing Muslim Brotherhood friends/allies!!!!!!!!
davod| 12.25.11 @ 3:04PM
"DH| 12.24.11 @ 2:42PM: There is a no bigger cultist than the Truthers - I mean the Iraqi truthers. You know the ones who personally saw Saddam's stockpile move from Iraq to Syria, "
General Ihor Smeheshko, head of Ukrainian Intelligence, tells an interesting story of why Yevgeny Primakov and retired Russian generals
Colonel-General Vladislav Achatov, Colonel-Intelligence General Igor Maltsev were in Iraq.
davod| 12.25.11 @ 3:49PM
"Red Phillips| 12.25.11 @ 9:53AM
Occam, support your accusation of "racism" with quotes in context instead of just carelessly throwing out the charge like some sort of hired underling of the SPLC."
"How likely would it be that a publisher made a million dollars in revenues from his enterprise, managed to employ his family at the business, and yet never bothered to look at its product? Zero, even if one buys the argument that Paul allowed other people to ghost-write the newsletter under his own name and in the first person without ever reviewing their output to make sure that it didn’t contradict his own political stands. And even if people are prepared to swallow all of that, the fact remains that Paul made millions as a publisher peddling vile, racist tracts and insane conspiracy theories, which any Democratic opponent would produce in toto during a general election, even disregarding Team Obama’s predilection for oppo research."
http://hotair.com/archives/201.....aul-panic/
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 5:02PM
Many Blacks Ain't Buying The Crap Sandwiches,You Israel Firsters Are Tryin' To Sell Them, Again.
They're Escaping From The Propaganda Plantation.
Message to Minorities "Ron Paul is Spelling this Sh*t out for You" Ron Paul 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWNRifg2jA
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
davod| 12.25.11 @ 5:37PM
"Many Blacks Ain't Buying The Crap Sandwiches,You Israel Firsters Are Tryin' To Sell Them, Again."
Blacks, Israeli Firsters, WTF ????
Hit the spot did I Clint!
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 10:13PM
You Know Exactly WTF, Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Cheerleader.
Many Blacks Ain't Buying The Crap Sandwiches,You Israel Firsters Are Tryin' To Sell Them, Again.
They're Escaping From The Propaganda Plantation.
Message to Minorities "Ron Paul is Spelling this Sh*t out for You" Ron Paul 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWNRifg2jA
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Oldefarte| 12.26.11 @ 12:13PM
Yeah, they've replaced MLK with Paul [due to this newsletters messages], huh??????
Red Phillips | 12.25.11 @ 10:25PM
davod, your quote doesn't answer the question. "Vile, racist" is a pretty tough charge. So do you think the quotes in question taken in context are "vile" and "racist?" Just repeating accusations from people with an obvious anti-Paul agenda doesn't help your case.
Did you read the VDARE link I posted above which also contains links to several defenses of the newsletters? Did you read the Justin Raimondo Takimag article I posted several times before? I can’t defend everything in every newsletter because I haven’t read them all, but the supposedly offending quotes that have been making the rounds which mostly come from Kirchick’s initial ’08 New Republic (a liberal magazine I might add) hit piece are much less offending when read in context and while the language is perhaps unhelpful in some cases, pretty much express conventional conservative opinion circa late 80’s early 90’s. (It’s funny how the quotes in every hit piece all seem to be the same ones. If the newsletters were such a goldmine of incriminating evidence why not produce some different quotes?)
I have asked several people this and so far no one has come back and told me they have examined the quotes in context and still think they are racist. Is everyone just that lazy, or did the quotes check out in context? I don’t know if anyone has taken me up on this because I don’t want to overestimate the intellectual curiosity of the Paul haters (Who needs facts when slurs will do.), but if they did I think they would have a hard time condemning most of them because they are rather conventional conservative opinion and they wouldn’t want to harm their conservative standing or look like complete PC spouting clowns.
So davod, take me up on the offer and quit being a PC tool. I’ll give you the link to the Raimondo article if you need it.
Zbigniew Mazurak| 12.25.11 @ 4:32PM
"Rep. Ron Paul has raised more than his share of controversy in Republican ranks by advocating an end to promiscuous intervention and war-making. "
Actually, Ron Paul argues for much more than that, although Bandow, as an isolationist, is loathe to admit it. Paul argues for total isolationism, terminating all defense commitments to all allies, withdrawing all US troops from all countries where they are present (even strategically important allied countries), and MASSIVE CUTS TO AMERICA'S OWN DEFENSE, INCLUDING HOMELAND DEFENSE.
"While it is hard to know what service personnel generally think, Rep. Paul is winning the money-raising race among those in the military."
Which is completely irrelevant. It is one thing to donate money as an anonymous person. It is quite another to get the ENDORSEMENTS of the troops. To date, there is NO vets' group or troops' group supporting Ron Paul, and few (if any) vets have endorsed this loon. By contrast, Rick Perry has been endorsed bY 3 MOH winners, 1 Navy Cross Winner, and 1 Purple Heart Winner (Captain Daniel Moran).
@RedPhillips - contrary to your lies, it is WEAKNESS, not American "arrogance" or "warmongering" or "failing to draw the line" that causes wars. American failure to draw the line did not cause WW1, WW2, nor the Korean War. You would be well advised to shut up if you don't want to embarrass yourself again.
Red Phillips | 12.25.11 @ 9:45PM
ZM, if we are on a playground and you draw a line and tell me not to step over it and I do and you sock me, then you started that fight by drawing the line, not me for stepping over it. Particularly if you have no business drawing the line in the first place. Now it is true that I would be more likely to step over the line if you are a 120 lb weakling than if you are a hulking giant, but in the former case you being the 120 lb weakling did not start the fight. You drawing a line you had no business drawing started it.
And your examples are bad because we should have stayed out of WWI which was a horrible tragedy set off by stupid trip wires and mutual defense agreements of the sort you like all because a Duke got shot. (You really need to take that one out of your playbook.) WWII would not have happened absent WWI, but even with that the US should have stayed out until we were bombed at Pearl Harbor and that happened only because FDR was trying hard to provoke the Japanese so he could back door us into the war in Europe that the Elites wanted but the masses wisely didn't. (That FDR intentionally provoked the Japanese is backed up by the newly released book by Herbert Hoover. I guess you think Hoover is some sort of leftist pinko commie.) And we certainly should have stayed out of Korea also. So your examples don't work because we have a different premise.
Oldefarte| 12.26.11 @ 12:17PM
'....That FDR intentionally provoked the Japanese is backed up by the newly released book by Herbert Hoover...' SHAZAM, Herbert Hoover is still alive since he NEWLY RELEASED his book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Red Phillips | 12.26.11 @ 9:44PM
Oldefarte, perhaps, just perhaps, you should do a little research before you spout off and make yourself look like a damn fool.
Here is the Amazon page for the book released 7 Nov 11.
http://www.amazon.com/Freedom-.....044&sr=1-3
Here is the publisher's description:
"Herbert Hoover’s “magnum opus”—at last published nearly fifty years after its completion—offers a revisionist reexamination of World War II and its cold war aftermath and a sweeping indictment of the “lost statesmanship” of Franklin Roosevelt. Hoover offers his frank evaluation of Roosevelt’s foreign policies before Pearl Harbor and policies during the war, as well as an examination of the war’s consequences, including the expansion of the Soviet empire at war’s end and the eruption of the cold war against the Communists." emphasis mine
Here is Pat Buchanan talking about the content.
http://www.chroniclesmagazine......rl-harbor/
I will gladly accept your apology whenever you are ready to offer it.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 5:12PM
" Dr. Ron Paul served in the United States Air Force as a flight surgeon for several years (1963-1965). While in the air force, Paul reached the rank of Captain. Directly after his service in the air force, Paul worked again as a flight surgeon for the United States Air National Guard (1965-1968).
" Paul served as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force in the 1960s, spending time on the ground in countries like Ethiopia, Iran, Pakistan, South Korea, and Turkey. He also sits on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs."
Watch The Short Video.
http://digitaljournal.com/article/316304
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
davod| 12.25.11 @ 5:46PM
"Many Blacks Ain't Buying The Crap Sandwiches,You Israel Firsters Are Tryin' To Sell Them, Again."
Blacks, Israeli Firsters, WTF ????
Hit the spot did I Clint!
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 10:03PM
You Couldn't Hit A Bull In The Ass At 50 Paces, Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Flunkie Stooge Cupcake.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Oldefarte| 12.26.11 @ 12:20PM
No doubt you could SANDUSKYIFY one in a Pennsylvania show stall though, huh!!!!!!!
davod| 12.25.11 @ 5:50PM
Not to detract from Rep. Paul's service but I believe doctors enter the service as Captain.
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 10:06PM
I Believe Dr. Ron Paul Served His Residency Under An Air Force Program And Was Promoted To Captain When He Completed That Residency Program.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Resist We Much! | 12.25.11 @ 7:40PM
No, I Am Not A "Neo-Con, Israel-Firster, Bilderberger, Socialist, NWOer, Tri-Lateralist, CFRer, Globalist, FEMA Camp Guard, Chemtrail Pilot, Vaccine Scientist, Secret Water Fluorinator, Black Helicopter Pilot, False-Flag Planner, MK-ULTRA Practitioner, Paid Propagandist, &/or CIA/MI6/DGSE/Mossad Operative"
http://predicthistunpredictpas.....rster.html
My, Pauliac From Planet Ronulian, What A Big, Red Herring You Have!
http://predicthistunpredictpas.....g-you.html
Clint| 12.25.11 @ 10:10PM
Sure Ya Are, Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Cheerleader.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Resist We Much! | 12.26.11 @ 6:56AM
Nah, you are just like Repubs were:
"If you are against the Iraq War, you are anti-American."
And, you are just like an Obamabot:
"If you are against Obama, you are a racist."
I like Rand Paul. I agree with Ron Paul on 90% of the issues. Unfortunately, I can't get behind someone, who associates and "openly" endorses people like Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader.
Ron Paul needs to give a speech and explain the newsletters in detail. This brouhaha will not die until then.
He is either:
1. A racist.
and/or
2. Has "palled around with racists, anti-Semites, and homophobes."
and/or
3. Was incapable of running a small business with less than 10 employees, which doesn't say much about his "executive" experience or bode well as to how he would deal with the 2+ million Federal employees or even 400,000 workers if he slashed the Federal workforce by 80%, which would be a fabu thing and cause me to travel the country seeking signatures on a petition to put his ugly mug up on Mount Rushmore.
Clint, you are just like a Jim Jones' follower. You lack all objectivity and, my dear, Ron Paul is not the grandfather of the Tea Party despite all of the revisionist history of Alex Jones and yourself.
Red Phillips | 12.26.11 @ 10:00PM
Ron Paul did not endorse McKinney or Nader. What Paul did endorse was the act of third party voting and said that all the assembled at the press conference - Nader (Ind), McKinney (Green), Baldwin (Constitution) and Barr (Libertarian) was supposed to be there but no-showed - agreed on certain things such as ending the wars, ending the Fed, ending cororate welfare and crony capitalism, etc.
Who Ron Paul actually endorsed in 2008 was the Constitution Party nominee, Chuck Baldwin. For all the clowns who accuse Ron Paul of being a "neo-liberal" put that in your pipe and smoke it. If a neo-liberal endorses the nominee of the Constitution Party then what does that make all the dunderheads who voted for McAmnesty, communists?
celebs4truth | 12.26.11 @ 12:00AM
Help this pro-Ron Paul article go viral! Spread it all over the internet and social networks!: http://www.examiner.com/conspi.....g-ron-paul
martin j smith| 12.26.11 @ 7:46AM
The poster who support Ron Paul show without a doubt that they and he are extremely dangerous for this nation . I do not believe that Ron Paul will get the nomination but I do believe that Ron Paul may well run as an independent. He will "quite the Republican Party" like Donald Bump.
That would be too bad but predictablle. Ron Paul and his supporters are NOT CONSERVATIVES wither. Republicans by the way I think have no identity at all.
Oh and Clint throwing me some web site is not an answer its a cop out. And, btw I know more about more things than you will ever know about any thing. Ha !!!!!!!!!
Clint| 12.26.11 @ 8:18AM
Yeah, Israel Firster,You Pseudo-Intellect Elitist Wannabe Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Agendists Think You Need To Lecture Down To We,The Great Unwashed Dr.Ron Paul Tea Party Supporters.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Resist We Much! | 12.26.11 @ 9:09AM
I am not a wannabe anything, toots.
Clint| 12.26.11 @ 10:04AM
That's Right, You're A Card Carryin' Israel Firster Asshat.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On The Israel Firster Asshat.
Resist We Much! | 12.26.11 @ 10:22AM
Nope. Continue on with the insults, but you are still no closer to the truth and remain stuck on stupid.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.26.11 @ 10:43AM
Ironically,
It is the Paul-bots themselves that remind us just how dangerous Ron Paul truly is.
A guy that attracts the Clints and the Reds of the country would be a total disaster as President wouldn't he?
The Paul-bots can spam us up all they want. 95% of American voters are at least sane...if not too smart.
Paul will never be elected...nor serve...in my lifetime.
Clint| 12.26.11 @ 11:00AM
Kenny The Squirrel's "Us" Are RINO-CINO Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Flunkie Stooges.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.26.11 @ 11:46AM
Hey Clint!
Who gives a darn about Iowa? They have what? five delegates?
In the mean time Iowa will go Democrat in the General.
Who cares?
Oldefarte| 12.26.11 @ 12:25PM
Yeah right, but then Paul can sell more newletters to his Sanduskafied followers and get closer to Gates' financial status!!!!
Clint| 12.26.11 @ 1:42PM
" Ron Paul’s “Tea Party” money bomb meets $4 million goal
Ron Paul (R-TX), a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, ended his “Tea Party” money bomb Sunday at midnight. Mr. Paul succeeded in meeting his fundraising goal of $4 million. The Paul campaign plans on using the grassroots donations for additional campaign activities in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. With the donation ticker still climbing, Mr. Paul has raised more than $4,048,000 as of 9am EDT Monday.'
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Oldefarte| 12.26.11 @ 2:28PM
Clit, I'm reminded of my childhood Catholic school experience of being mandated/forced to CONTRIBUTE TO THE MISSIONS, and the subsequent knowledge that our nickles/dimes contributed to same ended up instead in some anbulance chasing lawyers' pockets that sued the Catholic Church over its priests' homosexuality/pedifilia sexual assaults upon children. Your MESSIAH and his newsletters represent same to your blindly providing money to his candidacy of lunacic political theories:
"....NewsmaxFalwell Group: Ron Paul Is Dangerous Monday, December 26, 2011 11:06 AM By: Matt Barber....The following is a column by Matt Barber, Vice President of Liberty Counsel Action, an organization supported by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell.After the most recent GOP presidential debate, reasonable people can disagree as to who came out on top. It was abundantly clear, however, who was smothered beneath the pile.As Ron Paul waxed naive from his perch in Sioux City, Iowa, on issues ranging from foreign policy to judicial activism, one could almost hear his campaign bus tires deflate. Although some polls indicate that Mr. Paul has surged in Iowa, most national polls suggest that, beyond a relatively fixed throng of blindly devoted “Paulbots,” support for the eccentric Texas lawmaker has a concrete ceiling.
Mr. Paul did himself no favors during the debate. Afterward, former Iowa House Speaker Christopher C. Rants blogged, “Ron Paul finally lit a match after dousing himself with gasoline.”
Putting aside for a moment Mr. Paul’s leftist policies on a variety of social issues ranging from his unwavering support for newfangled “gay rights” – to include open homosexuality in the military – to advocacy for across-the-board legalization of illicit drugs, Mr. Paul demonstrated that he has a dangerous, fundamental misunderstanding of the threat posed to every American citizen by radical Islam. This alone disqualifies him for serious consideration as our future Commander in Chief.
During the debate, moderator Bret Baier asked Mr. Paul: “Many Middle East experts now say Iran may be less than one year away from getting a nuclear weapon. … Even if you had solid intelligence that Iran was in fact going to get a nuclear weapon, President Paul would remove the U.S. sanctions on Iran - including those added by the Obama administration. So, to be clear, GOP nominee Paul would be running left of President Obama on Iran?”Mr. Paul responded: “But I’d be running with the American people because it would be a much better policy.” (The only American people running with this policy risk running the rest of us off a cliff.)He went on to reject a U.N. agency report that indicates Iran is within months of developing nuclear weaponry, calling it “war propaganda.” He then spouted the same anti-American talking points we’ve come to expect from the hard-left “progressive” establishment, blaming America for Iran’s efforts to go nuclear.
In defense of Islamic terrorists, not unlike those responsible for Sept. 11, Mr. Paul said, “Yeah, there are some radicals, but they don’t come here to kill us because we’re free and prosperous. … They come here and want to do us harm because we’re bombing them.“I don’t want Iran to have a nuclear weapon,” he continued, all the while demonstrating to everyone watching that a President Paul would be unwilling to lift a finger to prevent it.His pacifist ruminations prompted fellow presidential candidate Michele Bachmann to respond: “With all due respect to Ron Paul, I think I have never heard a more dangerous answer for American security than the one that we just heard from Ron Paul. … I’ll tell you the reason why, the reason why I would say that is because we know without a shadow of a doubt that Iran will take a nuclear weapon, they will use it to wipe our ally Israel off the face of the map, and they stated they will use it against the United States of America. Look no further than the Iranian constitution, which states unequivocally that their mission is to extend jihad across the world and eventually to set up a worldwide caliphate. We would be fools to ignore their purpose and their plan.”Mr. Paul evidently is one of those fools. Iran is today’s version of Nazi Germany, and Mr. Paul’s obtuse strategy of reckless inaction affords him the dubious title of this generation’s Neville Chamberlain. Like Chamberlain’s fruitless appeasement, Mr. Paul’s similar strategy simply feeds the insatiable beast.
Don’t get me wrong. I personally like Ron Paul. He’s that affable - if not a little “zany” - uncle who has the whole family on edge at Thanksgiving. “Oh boy; what’s Uncle Ronny gonna say next?”Still, you wouldn’t give Uncle Ronny the carving knife for the turkey, much less the keys to the Oval Office.Mr. Paul is many things, but conservative is not one of them. He’s a died-in-the-wool libertarian. That’s one part conservative, two parts anarchist.Ronald Reagan often spoke of a “three-legged stool” that undergirds true conservatism. The legs are represented by strong free-market economic principles, a strong national defense and strong social values. For the stool to remain upright, it must be supported by all three legs. If you snap off even one leg, the stool collapses under its own weight.Mr. Paul is relatively conservative from an economic standpoint, but in true libertarian form, has snapped off the legs of national defense and social values.The libertarian is a strange and rare little animal – a bit like the woolly flying squirrel. It spends its days erratically darting to-and-fro atop this teetering, one-legged stool in a futile effort to keep it from toppling. America witnessed Ron Paul doing this squirrelly libertarian tango Thursday night. Cute but unstable. Ron Paul never had a chance; but now, with the possible exception of his most committed devotees, I suspect most people will finally admit it. Regardless of what happens in Iowa, the Paul engine has run out of steam. During the debate it pulled into the station and released its final wheeze right alongside the Cain Train......"
MikeG| 12.26.11 @ 5:17PM
Oldfart
Use paragraphs after four sentences and hit enter key to provide space. Didn't anyone teach you punctuation and writing?
It is impossible to read your comments.
Clint| 12.26.11 @ 1:34PM
Apparently, You Do RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooge, Kenny The Squirrel.
Here's The Traitor Bastard That You Called A Conservative.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Resist We Much! | 12.26.11 @ 2:08PM
Ruh-roh, Shaggy!
http://rightwingnews.com/elect.....-semitism/
Clint| 12.26.11 @ 5:21PM
Do Your Homework.
" Submitted by Texas Little El on Sat, 12/08/2007 - 22:34:
Eric Dondero Is Ron Paul's ex-senior staff guy.
Ron fired him and Eric hasn't gotten over it yet, this being 5 years ago.
He lies about most things.
He supposedly knows 15 different languages but got caught in a lie of when he learned Spanish.
He was supposed to run against Ron Paul, but dropped out of the race when another Republican decided to run for office.
He supports Giuliani and even has deluded himself into thinking Giuliani has libertarian leanings.......That is one of the bigger stretches of the imagination.
He supports Giuliani and Ron's CD14 opponent so much he has given them huge amounts of money.......ok, that's a lie, he has given them nothing for their campaigns.
He either goes by Dondero or Rittberg.... no one can figure out when he will use which name. He likes to call himself a half jew, whatever that means. Though he isn't a practicing Jew at all. He has even deluded himself so much that he says Ron Paul demanded he wear a yamulke to a political function. Can you see RP demanding someone do something like that?
Needless to say he started off as a car driver for RP and has delusions of grandeur that he single handedly got Ron Paul elected to office the second time RP ran in 1996.
He was one of the people that started the Republican Liberty Caucus, and they got rid of him.
So far he is just a gadfly that won't stop writing nasty articles about Ron Paul, using whatever time he has to write nonsense in his attempts to get him out of office.
Oh, the final thing about Eric is on his libertarian blog he still has a praise that Ron gave him years ago. This is way nutty, in that if RP is supposed to be this big nut job, wouldn't he want to distance himself from him?
He is just a sad little man with no life unless he is the center of attention."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Resist We Much! | 12.26.11 @ 5:38PM
You've changed my mind, Clint. Dondero said that Ron Paul wasn't a racist, anti-Semite, or homophobe. Obviously, he is lying. The guy has absolutely no credibility.
Clint| 12.26.11 @ 7:08PM
You're An Argument Against Yourself, Irael Firster, Reset Butt.
Rttberg's An Israel Firster Just Like You.
The Te Party Rebellion Steps On The Israel Firster Bobbsey Twins, Reset Butt & Rittberg.
JP| 12.26.11 @ 9:07PM
This is flatly ridiculous, the monetary donations of a few hundred people does not equal the "Support of the military"
You should atleast poll active duty members and/or Vets to find out, and like last time they tried to claim this you'll find out he's not at all the preferred canddiate of the military
Ward Bond| 12.26.11 @ 11:05PM
What troubles me is when you add Paul's support and obama's support together you get a number that indicates how far to the left this country has gone. And really, Paul's "blame America for the world's troubles" is leftist
Brad9883| 12.26.11 @ 11:21PM
I attribute this to the ferocity with which Ron Paul's supporters support Ron Paul moreso than a gauge of his overall support within the ranks. His supporters are rabidly behind Paul and are thus more likely to donate than perhaps are supporters of other candidates. This characteristic extends to those Paul supporters who happen to also be serving in the military.
My problem with claims by Paul supporters who say "the military supports Ron Paul" is that I am in the military and I do not appreciate Paul's supporters (in or out of the military) speaking for me and who my choice of candidate is.
Brad9883| 12.26.11 @ 11:22PM
Oh, and another thing:
Technically, a lot of these guys can be punished under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Article 92 comes to mind.
According to DoD Directive 1344.10, active duty servicemembers may not:
"4.1.2.2. Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.
4.1.2.3. Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. This is distinguished from a letter to the editor as permitted under the conditions noted in subparagraph 4.1.1.6."
When military members who are Ron Paul supporters come out and use their active duty military status to lend credibility to Ron Paul, it would appear they are violating this directive.
Clint| 12.26.11 @ 11:23PM
The Israel Firster Bund Is Attempting Once Again To Smear A Veteran American Military Officer.
Veteran Air Force Officer Dr.Ron Paul,
"I think there's an influence and that's exactly what the 9/11 commission said that's what the DOD has said and that's also what the CIA has said and that's what a lot of researchers have said," said Paul. "...our policies definitely had an influence and you talk to the people who committed it and those individuals who would like to do us harm. They say yes we don't like American bombs to be falling on our country and we don't like the intervention that we do in their nation so to deny this I think is very dangerous. But to argue the case that they want to do us harm because we're free and prosperous is very dangerous notion because it's not true."
He added: "So I'm saying policies have an effect but that's a far cry from blaming America. I mean in America, you're supposed to be able to criticize your own government without saying you're un-American."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Tenn Slim| 12.27.11 @ 7:49AM
I would offer the Military...Com site.
There just as many Liberals/Leftists there as there are Conservatives.
Dont count dollars as an indicator of the US Military voting preference.
Semper FI