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I know Reid Smith is playing devil’s advocate but there is no room for civil disobedience (whether it be from the shoreline of Walden Pond or not) when it comes to Pvc. Bradley Manning or any other member of the U.S. military.
It’s not like Manning was drafted against his will. He enlisted into the Army of his own accord, took an oath to obey the Constitution and the orders of the President of the United States and of officers above him, underwent basic training and waited to be deployed to Iraq. He knew what he was getting into. So I don’t buy the argument that Manning suddenly “believed that he was part of an unjust war, waged by an unjust government.”
Apparently, Manning had a problem functioning in military life. It happens. But Manning took it a step further and chose to leak classified information knowing full well that it would compromise the safety and security of his fellow soldiers, our allies and the Iraqis and Afghans working with us. He leaked the information to Wikileaks, an organization with an explicitly anti-American political agenda. In the case of the video of the July 2007 airstrike which resulted in civilian deaths including two journalists from Reuters, Julian Assange edited it for his own ends. His manipulations should not be accepted at face value.
It is an unavoidable fact of life that people die in war including civilians and journalists. Our military is fallible but it is not evil nor is it in the habit of deliberately or wantonly killing civilians and journalists. To say that we all have blood on our hands because non-combatants die during war is simply disingenuous. I have no sympathy whatsoever for Manning. As Smith acknowledges, Manning is responsible for his actions and must pay the consequences for them. Unless he was otherwise assisted, no one else need be blamed for his treachery.
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Occam's Tool| 12.22.11 @ 2:29AM
And Ron Paul is "Treason's Friend."
Jack in Wi.| 12.22.11 @ 7:16AM
That's right Occam. All those Germans hung for following orders will now be rehabilitated. Occam you advoctate mass murder, unprovoked war, and nuclear Genocide. Those are all war crimes which would have gotten you hung at Nuremberg. Of course you and your hero's like Pollard have a special duty to betray their country for the sake of the putrid pimple on the banks of the Dead Sea. The real traitors are those that sold out our service people by the lying us into Iraq and are trying to lie us into Iran and another world war.
Ed| 12.22.11 @ 10:09AM
Just remember that Jack in Wi is your standard Ron Paul fan and voter. Paul's slightly smarter-he doesn't refer to Israel as a putrid pimple on the banks of the Dead Sea. He just thinks it. Question: Do paultard IQ's average above room temperature.
RTD| 12.22.11 @ 10:38AM
Just remember that Jack in Wi is your standard Ron Paul fan and voter.
No, he's not, and neither is the other one who infests this site. You focus on them because they are loud and in your face but they are NOT typical of Ron Paul supporters.
Every movement attracts an undesirable element. Sometimes the worst of the worst are really just "false flag trolls" as RSMccain explained here:
http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2.....rolls.html
If you don't want to give Ron Paul a fair hearing then nobody can force you to. You are within your rights of free speech to claim to be able to read Ron Paul's mind, or to attribute to Ron Paul things that you read from internet trolls.
But if you want to give Ron Paul a fair hearing then go listen to his own words. There are a lot of youtube videos that are nothing but Ron Paul in his own words, speaking from the floor of the House. Or here is a video put together by an actual non-troll Ron Paul supporter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NhRPo0WAo
Again, I urge you to ignore the trolls and think for yourself. Find out what Ron Paul actually says before you let someone else trick you into making up your mind based on false impressions.
Occam's Tool| 12.22.11 @ 10:41AM
Actually, Jack IS. No significant number of Ron Paul supporters are the least bit polite, as befits a man who praises Bradley Manning and takes donations from StormFront. I lived in his district for 4 years. Anyone who knows Galveston, and could come out in favor of pot legalization, has a screw loose.
RTD| 12.22.11 @ 11:09AM
Ron Paul doesn't "favor pot legalization". He points out that according to the Constitution, this isn't a decision the federal government should be making. It's up to the states.
A lot of people care about the Constitution very selectively, believing in it passionately when it supports something they like, and weaseling when it doesn't fit their personal preferences. A particularly pernicious form of this among social conservatives is a willingness to ignore Article 1 Section 8 when it's clear that the states would not all embrace the social conservative position, and drug laws are a prime example of this.
Ron Paul wants to apply Article 1 Section 8 all the time not just when he agrees with the likely outcome. If you agree, give Paul a fair hearing (and ignore the trolls). If you don't agree, then Ron Paul is not your candidate but there are plenty of other candidates who selectively embrace the Constitution so you just need to find one who selectively embraces the parts you like and rejects the parts you don't.
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 2:10PM
Learn Some History From Dr.Ron Paul, Sport.
http://digitaljournal.com/article/316304
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Occam's Tool| 12.22.11 @ 10:44AM
Nobody got hung for Hiroshima.
These clowns are at war with us, which they are pursuing by illegal means. Please learn the difference between "heroes" and "hero's"---one is a possessive.
You are the one advocating advocating genocide, Jack. I just want to win a war as quickly and cheaply as possible.
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 7:22AM
Now, Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Cheerleader ,Tool Job Can Tell Us About His Long Silence About His Fellow Traveler, Israel Firster Ben Ami Kadish.
" Ben-ami Kadish is a former U.S. Army mechanical engineer. He pleaded guilty in December 2008 to being an "unregistered agent for Israel", and admitted to disclosing classified U.S. documents to Israel in the 1980s.His unauthorized disclosure of classified U.S. secrets to Israel was concurrent with the espionage activity of Jonathan Pollard.
In December 2008, Kadish pleaded guilty to acting as an unregistered agent of Israel, admitting he gave classified documents to Israel in the 1980s.Prosecutors asserted that Kadish had furnished classified American secrets to Yosef Yagur, the same Israeli agent who had received secret documents from Jonathan Pollard.
In determining the sentence, Judge William H. Pauley III asserted, "Why it took the government 23 years to charge Mr. Kadish is shrouded in mystery."Pauley stated that prison would "serve no purpose" for a man of Kadish's advanced age and infirmity, opting to levy a $50,000 fine against Kadish. The prosecutor stated that the decision to accept the plea agreement was based on Kadish's cooperation and his willingness to admit wrongdoing. Prior to sentencing, Kadish faced the judge standing with the aid of a cane and stated, "I'm sorry I made a mistake ... It was a misjudgment. I thought I was helping the state of Israel without harming the United States."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Ryan| 12.22.11 @ 9:22AM
Strawman argument. Address Manning.
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 1:59PM
Address Israeli Spy, Israel Firster Traitor Bastard.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.22.11 @ 3:02PM
Needle, just like Soviet/Russian spy Hanssen. But you don't have your knickers in a knot about him, do you?
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 3:18PM
Hannsen Is A Traitor Bastard Just Israel Firster Traitor Bastard Spy, Ben ami Kadish.
You're The Israel Firster ,Who Was Silent About Your Fellow Traveler Israel Firster Traitor Bastard Ben ami Kadish, Con Job, While I Condemned Hannsen ,While He Was Arrested And Pleaded Guilty.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On The Israel Firster, Con Job.
Occam's Tool| 12.22.11 @ 10:42AM
Ami Kadish---already answered, Jihadist Catamite.
Ron Paul, "Treason's Friend."
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 2:00PM
Address Israel Spy Ben ami Kadish & Why You Were SILENT, Israel Firster Traitor Bastard Neo-Chickenhawk ,Tool Job.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.22.11 @ 2:15PM
Robert Hanssen was a devout Catholic who went to titty bars & sold out his country to the Soviets & later the Russians. Where's your indignation there, Palestine Fister?
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 3:30PM
Interesting, That The Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Cheerleader, Con Job Brings Up Hannsen's Catholicism.
A Number of American Spectator's Resident Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Cheerleaders Got A Hang Up About Catholics.
Aaaand, I Don't Support Any Of Your Sand Monkey Tribes' Agendas, Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Asshat, Con Job.
Like Dr. Ron Paul Believes , Leave The Middle East Foreigners Sort Out Their Own Food Fights & Stop Force Confiscating Our American Taxpayers' Money And Handing it Out For Foreign Aid.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.22.11 @ 4:17PM
"sand monkeys"
Hmmm. And people wonder why Paul let those letters go out with his name on them. Perhaps he knew his audience.
Clint| 12.23.11 @ 10:08AM
Uh Oh !
Now, The Muslim Hating Hypocrite Propaganda Squad Cheerleader, Israel Firster Con Job Attempts To Play His PC Card On Tea Party Clint.
Like I Said, It's Interesting That The Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Cheerleader, Con Job Brings Up Hannsen's Catholicism.
A Number of American Spectator's Resident Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Cheerleaders Got A Hang Up About Catholics.
Aaaand, I Don't Support Any Of Your Sand Monkey Tribes' Agendas, Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Asshat, Con Job.
Like Dr. Ron Paul Believes , Leave The Middle East Foreigners Sort Out Their Own Food Fights & Stop Force Confiscating Our American Taxpayers' Money And Handing it Out For Foreign Aid.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Ted| 12.23.11 @ 7:36AM
Actually Hanssen was not a devout Catholic. He played the role of the devout Catholic, just like he played the role of the loyal FBI counterintelligence Special Agent. But as we know from his actions, he was neither a devout Catholic nor a loyal FBI Special Agent.
9thID| 12.22.11 @ 2:36PM
Traitors Ron Paul and Manning the poster children for the repeal of DADT...
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 3:32PM
Israel Firster Traitor Bastards Ben ami Kadish & Jonathan Pollard Are Poster Boys For Stopping Foreign Aid.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
C Bowen | 12.22.11 @ 8:05AM
Mr. Goldstein;
What is your take on government officials who deliberately exaggerate or invent propaganda to support an intervention?
David W| 12.22.11 @ 8:41AM
Would this so called "propaganda" be based upon the best information and intelligence from several countries, including our own, available at the time? Is it based upon trying to glean information from a country that is purposely hiding its intentions, that is doing everything it can to appear to be guilty of what the intelligence indicates? Is it based upon the fact that the leader of the country wanted to maintain the illusion that he had WMDs so he could appear to be powerful in the eyes of his enemies? Is it based upon the fact that many in Congress, who were supposedly intelligent enough to see beyond any lies, supported the call for action??
Or is your calling it propaganda based upon the fact that people sitting comfortably in their easy chairs had the benefit of many years of hindsight and who enjoy taking potshots at a president who did the best he could with what information/data he had at the time?
C Bowen | 12.22.11 @ 9:15AM
Well, no.
I am talking about what Doug Feith and Maloof and traitor Larry Franklin did in the illegal intelligence gathering operation Rumsfeld set up, the Office of Special Plans, when linking Saddam to 9/11 per the instructions of Paul Wolfowitz and then leaking the propaganda to the New York Times which ran it on the frontpage, and finally leaking it, illegally according to the Pentagon, to the Weekly Standard.
More generally, I was thinking about Clinton, Kerry and Albright telling lies about Iraq's WMDs, or lying about the supposed genocide the Orthodox Serbs were committing against the Kosovars.
Anyway, those are specific examples--I was just asking where Mr. Goldstein ranks a hypothetical case of lying one's country into war. And you?
C Bowen | 12.22.11 @ 9:18AM
Further--we know that an agent close to Italian intelligence forged the Nigerian yellow cake documents, but that doesn't explain how the administration illegally routed that past our legal intelligence gathering systems and included the claim in the State of the Union.
Dai Alanye | 12.22.11 @ 2:25PM
If C Bowen had both sense and honesty he/she would acknowledge that the notorious Joe Wilson of Plame/Wilson confirmed the Saddam attempt to get yellow cake. Confirmed it to the CIA, that is, before lying about it in public. The Italian fabulator was unnecessary and incidental except in the minds of certain media types.
Bowen is wrong on most of his/her other assertions as well, but this is all par for the course with Paul cultists.
C Bowen | 12.23.11 @ 5:07PM
Umm no, you are just making things up now and diverting--actually covering up a criminal act.
Who forged the documents and who in the Bush Administration routed them around the legal intelligence apparatus?
Do you even care? No.
Ryan| 12.22.11 @ 9:23AM
How does one "legally" gather intel?
C Bowen | 12.22.11 @ 10:41AM
I guess you are unfamiliar with the general law on the topic and hence are looking to be educated in these here comments, but anyway, a piece of intel is evaluated through a chain of command, with comments and contrarian thought added at each step before it reaches the Executive in the form of, for example, a briefing sheet.
It is against the law for the Executive to attempt to go around this system and substitute his own intelligence giving the appearance it had been legally vetted and reflected the assessment, with dissenting opinion, from the intelligence gathering apparatus.
In effect, the charge is that Rumsfeld set up a separate government with Feith, Maloof and the traitor Larry Franklin, designed to cherry pick info and leak it to allies in the press with the purpose of launching a war against Saddam's Iraq.
It's illegal.
Ed| 12.22.11 @ 1:34PM
To make the debate easier to follow, please provide those portions of the United States Code to which you refer. You seem to be saying that the Executive is controlled by this briefing sheet. Please provide cites so that we can evaluate if you are correct or full of it.
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 2:05PM
Typical Israel Firster Neo-Chickeenhawk Coward,Trying To Get Others To Do Your Heavy Liftin' ,Just Like Israel Tries To Get Our Warriors To Do Their Heavy Liftin'.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Dai Alanye | 12.22.11 @ 2:32PM
I'm still waiting for Clint to provide his war record so we can better evaluate his right to charge others as being "chickenhawks." Must be a communication problem, as I've made this request several times.
No photoshopped docs, please. We've had enough of that with BO's birth certificate.
9thID| 12.22.11 @ 2:39PM
Clint a.k.a. Bradley Manning. Or is he/she Manning's alter ego "Briana"?
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 3:42PM
That's A Lie.
You're A Liar, 9th IDiot.
Wanna Make Somethin' Of It.
The Tea Party Steps On Israel Firster 9th IDiot's Face.
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 3:51PM
Asked & Answered Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Cheerleader Dai Job.
Aaaand, " Dr.Ron Paul served in the United States Air Force as a flight surgeon for several years (1963-1965). While in the air force, Paul reached the rank of Captain. Directly after his service in the air force, Paul worked again as a flight surgeon for the United States Air National Guard (1965-1968). "
" Paul served as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force in the 1960s, spending time on the ground in countries like Ethiopia, Iran, Pakistan, South Korea, and Turkey. He also sits on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs."
Where's Mr.Neutered's & Mittens' Military Records ?
Hmmmm ?
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
C Bowen | 12.22.11 @ 4:16PM
Ed,
If you are too lazy to do such work by yourself, should I really consider taking time on the worst comment format board on the net to lay it our for you? Someone, by his own admission, judges war and peace based on what they read in the MSM?
For background: start with the Pentagon report on the matter: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/.....7-decl.pdf A classic example of the Pentagon investigating itself, but does debunk the AQ-Iraq connection that Feith, Maloof, and traitor Larry Franklin had concocted to lie their country into war.
That is a good start--if you read it, I will attempt as time permits, this dialogue.
Ed| 12.23.11 @ 11:31AM
Again, you sputter about something being illegal. Please provide the citation in the United States Code for your sputtering. It's pretty simple-you say that the Executive is somehow bound by an intelligence briefing produced by the CIA and it is illegal for it to use any other method to evaluate intelligence. I say you are wrong and there is no such restriction other than your anti-jewish ravings.
C Bowen | 12.23.11 @ 5:18PM
Wait--Ed, did you really write that Administrations are free to invent their own "intelligence" and leak it to the press?
LOL--bye, bye, hippie.
Ed| 12.23.11 @ 11:43AM
Uh, your link indicates that what was done (the "illegal" thing you mention) was neither illegal nor unauthorized. It's not my laziness. It's your stupidity that is the problem.
C Bowen | 12.23.11 @ 5:11PM
That's the point, Ed. I actually gave you a neutral report to get started--I called it background--go back and read it--so that we could have a debate. I'd say that was mighty fair of me, quite sporting.
What is the point on my side to explain the theory of small 'r' republic government to someone who has already made his mind up and is actually asking these sorts of questions that will have an impact on your eternal soul--on this random comments section?
You have to give me some sign that you are serious for me to bother.
Old Soldier| 12.23.11 @ 5:45AM
Mr. Bowen, this "process" you describe--is that the process that produced the risible report that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program?
C Bowen | 12.23.11 @ 8:12AM
It is true that our government, Pentagon, CIA and State, do not believe Iran is building a bomb.
Globalists like Soros, Obama, Clinton Romney McCain, Gingrich and so on, disagree and are acting as radicals against the State.
Obama should be impeached.
Are you scared of Iran? I mean, they just mastered 8-bit technology and all, but I guess the doesn't really impress me.
Ted| 12.22.11 @ 8:35AM
"Pvc. Bradley Manning?"
PVC is a vinyl polymer.... Manning, at least as of right now, is a Private First Class (E-3). Also known as a PFC. Soon he is going to be a Private (E-1), or PVT. And probably incarcerated for the rest of his life at the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks, Ft. Leavenworth, KS.
albert constantine jr.| 12.22.11 @ 8:43AM
My recollection regarding Army ranks is a bit clouded. While Private is E-1 and PFC is E-2 in the USMC, was the Army equivalent of E-1 designated "Recruit", and Private actually E-2?
albert constantine jr.| 12.22.11 @ 8:37AM
Regarding “civil” disobedience, it is not accidental that the classification of those who are not in the military is “civil”ian. The full range of civil rights and civil liberties that the Constitution is designed to protect for civilian citizens is limited for those who volunteer and take and oath to support and defend it.
texas tory| 12.22.11 @ 9:48AM
Thank goodness we ended DADT to avoid such issues.
Al Adab| 12.22.11 @ 10:44AM
Go Horned Frogs.
Wayne| 12.22.11 @ 12:52PM
Look I was drafted against my will to fight an unjust war that killed my best friends. It didn't make any difference. I still had to follow the same orders.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.22.11 @ 1:44PM
Manning is a traitor who deserves the needle as much as Pollard, Ames, Hanssen & Walker. Those who make apologies for traitors are either traitors themselves or seditious bastards.
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."...Marcus Tullius Cicero
Since Jackass Jackboot is so concerned that a Jew was spying for Israel against us, I wonder if, as a self professed Catholic, he feels about Robert Hanssen's treason? After all, ole Bob Hanssen was a DEVOUT Catholic. And head of the FBI's Counterintelligence Division's Soviet/Russia office. His treason caused almost more deaths than did that of Ames.
If the religious affiliation of the traitor matters THAT much to you, Jack, then where is your condemnation of this man, a fellow Catholic, who betrayed his nation?
But you're just a racist asshole, so I'm sure you won't recognize from my post just how stupid & hypocritical you sound. But most regulars here knew that already.
Ted| 12.23.11 @ 7:40AM
Again, no, Hanssen was not a devout Catholic.
As noted above: Actually Hanssen was not a devout Catholic. He played the role of the devout Catholic, just like he played the role of the loyal FBI counterintelligence Special Agent. But as we know from his actions, he was neither a devout Catholic nor a loyal FBI Special Agent.
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 2:16PM
Interesting, That Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Neo-Chickenhawk Wants To Bring Up Catholicism And Catholic Robert Hannsen's Treason,While You Ignore Ben ami Kadish's Treason For Israel.
" Ben-ami Kadish is a former U.S. Army mechanical engineer. He pleaded guilty in December 2008 to being an "unregistered agent for Israel", and admitted to disclosing classified U.S. documents to Israel in the 1980s.His unauthorized disclosure of classified U.S. secrets to Israel was concurrent with the espionage activity of Jonathan Pollard.
In December 2008, Kadish pleaded guilty to acting as an unregistered agent of Israel, admitting he gave classified documents to Israel in the 1980s.Prosecutors asserted that Kadish had furnished classified American secrets to Yosef Yagur, the same Israeli agent who had received secret documents from Jonathan Pollard.
In determining the sentence, Judge William H. Pauley III asserted, "Why it took the government 23 years to charge Mr. Kadish is shrouded in mystery."Pauley stated that prison would "serve no purpose" for a man of Kadish's advanced age and infirmity, opting to levy a $50,000 fine against Kadish. The prosecutor stated that the decision to accept the plea agreement was based on Kadish's cooperation and his willingness to admit wrongdoing. Prior to sentencing, Kadish faced the judge standing with the aid of a cane and stated, "I'm sorry I made a mistake ... It was a misjudgment. I thought I was helping the state of Israel without harming the United States."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.22.11 @ 2:58PM
Maybe you missed the part where I said give them all the needle. Go bitch at the Justice Department or the judge who didn't incarcerate him, Wikipedia plagarist.
"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."...Bullet Tooth Toney, "Snatch"
Clint, you're as predictable as the sunrise.
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 3:34PM
You're The Israel Firster ,Who Was Silent About Your Fellow Traveler Israel Firster Traitor Bastard Ben ami Kadish, Con Job.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On The Israel Firster, Con Job.
Ed| 12.22.11 @ 3:08PM
But this paultard argument has already been address. By all means, off with his head. On the other hand, Hanssen was a Catholic Opus Dei member when he betrayed this country to the Soviets/Russians and many people were killed as a result. Are all Catholics now suspect or is it just jews that have this dual loyalty label?
Con Chef (NB) | 12.22.11 @ 4:24PM
Thank you for putting it more succinctly than I was able to.
Clint| 12.22.11 @ 3:38PM
As I Noted Previously, It's Interesting That The Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Cheerleaders Bring Up Hannsen's Catholicism.
A Number of American Spectator's Resident Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Cheerleaders Got A Hang Up About Catholics.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Little Eddie's Face.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.22.11 @ 4:20PM
Again, "never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." You never fail to be predictable with your non-answers & canned posts. You & your treason apologist of a candidate can both get bent.
Ed| 12.22.11 @ 4:39PM
No hang up other than in your imagination. It's just pointing out that when the word "jew" is mentioned, paultards slobber like dogs smelling steak. You have a double standard. If everyone of jewish origin is responsible for this 85 year old guy who got probation, paultard logic would make all Catholics responsible for Hanssen. It's stupid but we're using paultard rules.
David C| 12.22.11 @ 4:19PM
Like Reid, Goldsmith confuses whistleblowing with civil disobedience.
"Our military is fallible but it is not evil nor is it in the habit of deliberately or wantonly killing civilians and journalists."
I doubt that was the point being made in releasing that video. The point was that on that occassion civilians were killed and the government covered the matter up.
"Julian Assange edited it for his own ends. His manipulations should not be accepted at face value."
We can still see and hear what happened, any manipulations by Assange notwithstanding.
"I have no sympathy whatsoever for Manning."
Really? Given his terrible treatment in prison without having been yet convicted of anything, that speaks more about Goldsteing that about Manning.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.22.11 @ 4:22PM
Aw, the poor traitor was treated badly in prison? What? You think when they send his spying ass to Supermax on 23 hour lockdown like Hanssen its gonna be a "Club Fed?"
Its too bad we stopped executing these scumbags & let them plead out.
Old Soldier| 12.23.11 @ 5:37AM
What "terrible treatment" did Manning allegedly suffer in prison?
Ted| 12.23.11 @ 7:42AM
"What "terrible treatment" did Manning allegedly suffer in prison?"
None. The only terrible treatment he got was the stuff his supporters dreamed up.
C Bowen | 12.23.11 @ 8:14AM
Mr. Goldstein;
Quin on the main site this morning suggested that civil disobedience is sometimes to be celebrated--he used the Christmas Eve Truce of the Great War as an example.
Should the soldiers, English and German, who created the truce have been given the firing squad?
And will you be rebutting Quin shortly?
Con Chef (NB) | 12.23.11 @ 8:51AM
They also used to give dead enemy officers full military funerals back then. Trench warfare meant that the opposing sides were less than 60 yards apart. After long days of stalemate in these conditions, the opponents got to know each other pretty well. In the Christmas "armistice," the Germans put up their Christmas trees on the parapets of their trenches & the sides sung carols back & forth. Eventually, they came out & traded cigarettes. The main reason these "truces" were negotiated to bury the dead in the no man's land separating their trenches.
In NO WAY is this the equivalent of what Manning the Traitor did. What he did may have already, or will in the future, cost lives. If you had to compare the type of intel he was giving to any other spy, he'd be like John Walker. He gave away sensitive communications to an obviously anti American group. Give the little bastard a cigarette & a blindfold.
C Bowen | 12.23.11 @ 1:17PM
You are bringing up Manning, not me.
I am commenting on the posturing in this article from the Canadian author.
And during the Christmas Truce, they played a soccer game, and had Mass (in Latin.)
There was an investigation on both sides when word of the truce reached the brass, and the units involved were scattered and rotated out.
It was after all a crime--fraternization.