Are historians and Ron Paul backers Tom Woods
and Kevin Gutzman now well out front in betraying the Faith of
Ron Paul by showing their true leftist…ahhhh….
Neo-Conservative colors?
Mr. Neo…sorry…Gutzman and his fellow leftist Mr. Woods
recently appeared on The Mike Church Show to go after me
for revealing that the Ron Paul version of the Founding Fathers,
the Monroe Doctrine and non-interventionism was considerably
less than correct. Doing this all the while defending the idea that
the United States has some sort of God-given right to interfere in
any country outside its borders — as long as that country is in
the correct hemisphere.
Shamed by the revelation that after holding up Secretary of
State John Adams and President James Monroe as paragons of
“non-interventionism” — a pillar of the Paul Doctrine — Gutzman
and Woods have now been forced to admit that interfering in a land
outside US borders is OK as long as, well, Gutzman and Woods
approve.
In short, Gutzman says it was wrong for the US to intervene in
Iraq — but it’s plenty OK in Latin America. Yet somehow the US
presence in the Middle East causes “blowback” — but blowback
from US intervention in Latin America is, well, just no big
deal.
To be clear, we have maintained here that Ron Paul’s foreign
policy has thoroughly well-documented leftist roots. Mr. Woods in
particular likes to trumpet the leftist American Anti-Imperialist
League (from 1898!) as some sort of conservative
touchstone. In fact the League was rife with
leftists like eugenics supporter, “peace activist” and academic
David Starr Jordan. We have no issue with the fact that Gutzman,
Tom Woods and Dan Larison make the Paul case on foreign policy —
the issue is well worth discussing. (Although Mr. Larison’s
response that I am a “buffoon” seems only to underline his leftist
tendency for the ad hominem.) All we’re doing in this
space is calling out Paul supporters on what is a considerable
amount of intellectual shimmying. It is simply not fact that the
Monroe Doctrine was somehow not interventionist. And Gutzman
illustrates this yet again.
In the world according to Gutzman interventionism, he assured
Mike Church, is only when the US goes to “Iraq, which
is, of course, what, 8,000 miles from here and not in our
hemisphere.” (My emphasis.)
Meaning that as far as Gutzman and Woods and company are
concerned, every single US intervention in Latin America, Central
America or Mexico — as stipulated in the Monroe Doctrine — is
just no big deal. Gutzman doesn’t care about “blowback” — as long
as it isn’t coming from, say, the Middle East. But if we’re talking
intervention in…say…Panama or the Dominican Republic or Haiti
or Cuba or Mexico or Guatamala, Nicaragua or Venezuela or Chile
or…well you get the point, no problem. Suddenly the sacredness of
US borders melts away, the whole subject of blowback (known better
in this area as “Yanqui Go Home”) is just one no big deal. Vice
President Richard Nixon getting stoned (no not that kind of stoned)
in Caracas in 1958 was a vivid example of Monroe Doctrine
interventionist “blowback.” But all of this is no big deal to
Gutzman and his Paul friends.
Why?
Because to really apply the Ron Paul Doctrine retroactively in
history means confessing that all of the historical “truths”
underlying the Paul foreign policy are a rather troublesome batch
of falsehoods.
Mr. Gutzman took to the Mike Church airwaves and has proved this
yet again.
In the world of Kevin Gutzman, it’s NeoCon to be in Iraq. But
the US, per James Monroe, says we have a God-given right to
interfere anywhere we want in this hemisphere - and Gutzman clearly
approves. As a matter of fact, this is doubtless the rationale
Gutzman has to use to justify the fact that Texas — home of Ron
Paul — was once part of Mexico until flooded by Americans
streaming outside US borders.
And in doing so, surely unintentionally (or maybe not?) Gutzman,
Woods and Paul supply the intellectual grounding for Hispanic
leftists who
believe California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico should
be removed from the US and made into the “Republica del Norte” or
the Republic of the North. After all, if the US should not be
intervening outside its borders, those four American states are
essentially ill-gotten gains under the Paul Doctrine. Even
Congressman Abraham Lincoln opposed what these people would surely
call James Polk’s NeoCon war with Mexico.
So, interestingly enough, if Kevin Gutzman and Tom Woods and
Daniel Larison are correct — citizen Ron Paul of Texas is running
for president of the wrong country.
Oops.
David T| 12.13.11 @ 1:52PM
Mr. Lord-- As Professors Wood and Gutzman made clear, Monroe would not act unless he thought a foreign power was acting in a fashion that was "dangerous to our peace and safety." So, you see, when one compares Monroe's position to say, the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld position that we will act when we see someone threatening us, it is clear that Monroe was taking a defensive posture while Bush was being offensive. Really offensive. Besides, Iraq is 8000 miles away. So there. Q.E.D. And all that. Over.
Cpm| 12.13.11 @ 2:48PM
Sorry, but you offer no distinction in your comparison, none at all.
David T| 12.13.11 @ 3:39PM
Neither did Woods-Gutzman, as Mr. Lord pointed out.
Adam| 12.13.11 @ 5:07PM
Not quite sure how you made the logical leap from
"Deliberately misunderstanding two Ron Paul supporters"
to
'And in doing so, surely unintentionally (or maybe not?) Gutzman, Woods *** and Paul *** (emphasis mine) supply the intellectual grounding for Hispanic leftists who believe California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico should be removed from the US and made into the "Republica del Norte" or the Republic of the North.'
since you fell into the chasm, mid-leap.
Quartermaster| 12.13.11 @ 9:44PM
FRankly, given what I have seen of Mr. Lord, I would have to agree with Woods and Gutzman that he is a Buffoon.
There was a huge difference between the Monroe Doctrine and Wilsonian crusading. It really come to head in Dubya's maladminstration, but was made possible by the Neocons taking over Reagan's administration.
What we see here is Lord arguing a vested interest, and defending himself and his Neocon cronies. That we are weakening ourselves with all the Wilsonianism is beside the point to him.
Duane Maddy| 12.14.11 @ 8:40AM
I noticed that in order to post a comment, the comment must be relevant, not profane or bigoted, respectful, thoughtful, and never grossly impolite. It is a shame that the articles written do not follow the same principle. Perhaps The Sprctator should apply this to the trolls writing for them rather than the folks reading the articles.