Yesterday, Reid Smith
posed the question, “So what can we do for Israel?” Based on
the “seven existential threats” criteria set out by Michael Oren,
the Israeli Ambassador to the United States, Smith concludes
“there’s not a whole lot America can do for Israel that it’s not
already doing.”
I don’t entirely agree. One of the existential threats
identified by Oren is delegitimization. Oren
writes, “Since the mid-1970s, Israel’s enemies have waged an
increasingly successful campaign of delegitimizing Israel in world
forums, intellectual and academic circles, and the press.”
Well, I would argue that the Obama Administration has joined
the delegitimization campaign against Israel. Whether it’s
Obama’s open disdain of Benjamin Netanyahu, his comments about the
1967 borders and that the thought of Israel building homes in
Jerusalem was more offensive to him than Iran killing its own
people in an “election” in which Obama said we ought not to be seen
as “meddling.” The recent comments by Secretary of Defense Leon
Panetta and Ambassador Howard Gutman are also a part of the Obama
Administration efforts to delegitimize Israel.
The Obama Administration’s unbridled hostility towards to
our only true friend in the Middle East is an act of
moral cowardice. It’s bad enough that Obama wants to emulate
European social policy. Well, when you have a European social
policy then a European foreign policy is sure to follow. So what
can America do for Israel? Vote Obama out of office and replace him
with anyone except Ron Paul.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.9.11 @ 10:02AM
mzk1
Thank you guys for all of your gifts to us. (As a Baptized Christian, I sorta' consider myself an "adopted Jew".)
In my mind, possibly the greatest gift you guys have given us is your quiet courage in your motto: "never again".
As you will note...I am a fifth generation Texan. (Texican). My forebears fought at the Alamo and with Sam Houston.
We do "Remember The Alamo" and thus identify with you being surrounded and outnumbered time and time again...and whipping the murderer's butts.
Thank you.
Believe me when I tell you that at least a hundred million Christians here stand with you.
God bless
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Ken (Old Texican)| 12.9.11 @ 9:58AM
Well, mzk1
Perhaps I misspoke. Your greatest gift to us was Jesus. Above I was speaking about "recently" (smile).
Jack in Wi| 12.9.11 @ 10:22AM
There is nothing we can do about Israel. It has been a bad idea geting worse for 63 years. We can't afford to subsidize it anymore. This country is broke. Not one penny should be cut from the needs of Americans to support this disaster on the banks of the Dead sea any more. Israel will never be accepted by the world as long as it has it's present leadership. Treating half the people under your control worse then dirt is not a way to win friends in the worldwide community.
Until Israel, on it's own, makes a just, and peramanent settlement withthe Palistinians it has no long term future. More and More Israeli Jews are leaving the place in disgust. Over a million reside out side Israel now and many more have 2 passports. Peace is the only answer. Shalom
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.9.11 @ 11:32AM
Jack/Muhhamed
You just got another pen-name. "Jack Muhhamed".
So...
Now that you are outed as a muslim...people can get your long-winded rants in perspective.
David W| 12.9.11 @ 2:09PM
"Treating half the people under your control ..."
Prove it!! I bet you can't. You rely on the tired Apartheid accusations that do not hold water.
Even if they did treat half their people poorly, it is 50% better than any country in the Arab world that probably treats 99% of their people poorly (and treat ALL females worse than cattle). Which country in the Middle East allows homosexuals to live without fear? Israel. Which country doesn't have one religion burning down the homes/worship centers of other religions? Israel. Which country drops leaflets before sending in the military to hunt down terrorists to minimize casualities? Israel. Which country will investigate its own actions after a military incident? Israel (Hamas just dances in the street if an innocent civilian is killed). Which country has a Supreme Court? it sure as hell isn't the one run by the sons of dogs and whores (i.e., Hamas). Which side sends in people to slit the throats of little children and then dances in the street? the Palestinians - ha, trick question. Which side teaches their children that the other side is descended from apes and dogs? the Palestinians. Which side refused to recognize that the other side has a right to exist? the Palestinians.
"Israel will never be accepted..." That is true, but not because of its leaders. It will never be accepted period by the Arab world and anti-Semites like you. The only way for there to be peace is if all Jews leave (or have their throats slit in their sleep).
Your view point would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. I'm sure someone could give you a fact-base counterpoint to every thing you say, but I doubt that someone like you will ever be able to understand reality. The true obstacle to peace in the Middle East? It's simple - it's the existence of Jews (and then it will be the Christians, then then anyone else who isn't a muslim, then it will be the non-muslim muslims, then it will come down to the Shias versus the Sunnis).
mzk1| 12.10.11 @ 12:11PM
Our population is growing, sorry. I have two passports; why not? Why should I give up my old one, in case I want to visit my family? Of and lots of Chrsitians are running away from the Muslims in Nazareth.
I read a daily summary of the going-ons in our parliament. The Arab representatives dish out a daily dose of treason on the floor. Yet any time they come up with a good suggestion, they are welcomed instead of ostrcized. You know of another country that would put up with this?
mzk1| 12.10.11 @ 12:06PM
I think the Alamo is Apropos. How would a Texan feel about being asked to give up the Alamo, a place that is not that old if fact? Yet we are asked to give up our holiest city (Jerusalem) and our second-holiest (Hebron) and not even bat an eye?
We are expected to worry about the sensibilities of a bunch of people trying to kill us, but are not allowed any sensibilities of our own. None whatsoever.
That is besides the fact that a Palestinian state will fill with "refugees" and murder us all.
BTW, we also have a serious illegal (in Hebrew it's called "infiltrator") problem on our Southern border, and lots of leftists who stop us fro mdoing something about it.
Clint| 12.9.11 @ 10:14AM
Jeffrey Goldberg on Dr.Ron Paul,
" He is, in one sense, a true Zionist, a believer in two core values of the Jewish liberation movement: Jewish independence and Jewish self-reliance. Independence is self-explanatory; self-reliance, in the context of national defense, holds that the Jewish state shouldn't seek the help of foreign soldiers to defend it.
I was struck in the foreign policy debate by something Rick Perry said, when asked about a looming confrontation between Iran and Israel: "(I)f we're going to be serious about saving Israel, we better get serious about Syria and Iran, and we better get serious right now."
"Saving Israel" should ideally be Israel's job. This is what Israelis tend to think. And it is also what Ron Paul tends to think. Here is some of what he said in the foreign policy debate on this subject: "Israel has 200, 300 nuclear missiles. And they can take care of themselves. Why should we commit -- we don't even have a treaty with Israel. Why do we have this automatic commitment that we're going to send our kids and send our money endlessly to Israel? So I think they're quite capable of taking care of themselves." (emphasis mine.)"
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
mzk1| 12.10.11 @ 12:15PM
After Hilary's latest speech, I have reversed and am willing to vote for Paul over Obama. (or Hilary). Yes, we can take of ourselves militarily, but the US has a veto in the UN and we don't.
I still think your posts make no sense, and are self-contradictory.
Ed| 12.9.11 @ 11:09AM
Funny how islamic terrorists attack nations that have nothing to do with Israel or its defense. India, the Phillipines, the UK, France and many more, none of whom have the connections with Israel that the Paultards blame for all of the World's ills (not that they are jew haters; notice I didn't say anti-semites because paultards will insist that semite covers both jews and arabs). What war, exactly, have we fought and died for Israel. Iraq? Afghanistan? We have our own interests in the ME that have nothing to do with Israel.
Clint| 12.9.11 @ 11:28AM
Uh Oh !
Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Eddie Plays His Dog Eared Anti-Semite Card For The Umpteenth Time.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.9.11 @ 11:38AM
Clint,
fortunately, your "kill all the Jews" candidate doesn't have a "prayer".
If he should get the nomination...Texas goes to "the mattresses" for liberty and freedom.
Now,
give us another copy/paste to prove your idiocy.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.9.11 @ 11:54AM
Now, Ken. Its not nice to make fun of the feeble minded kiddies like Clint. Its not HIS fault he spent too much time cooking meth to go to school & learn how to form an original thought. That's why he needs his canned screeds. All 100 of them.
Clint| 12.9.11 @ 12:18PM
Uh Oh !
Israel Firster Crybaby, Con Job Is In The Building.
http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/.....ap-man.jpg
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
mzk1| 12.10.11 @ 12:18PM
After Hilary's latest speech, I think even Paul preferable to Obama. At least he would leave us alone. But the rest of the world would be in trouble. Who will guarantee the safely of the seas? (Note the constitution assumes a permenent Navy.) Who will bring some sanity into international bodies?
Of course, in the long-run, a succession of Presidents like Paul will mean the rise of the next Hitler and the possible end of the US, heaven forbid.
Clint| 12.9.11 @ 11:51AM
You're A Liar, Kenny The Squirrel.
Aaaaand,
" Ron Paul Polling 2nd In Iowa, Ahead Of Mitt Romney
Gingrich leads with 25% support among likely caucusgoers, followed by Ron Paul at 18%, just ahead of Mitt Romney at 16%. Currently in third place in New Hampshire, is Paul a photon torpedo barrage away from two early upsets?
Now, tell us all where Your Candidate Is Polling, Kenny The Squirrel.
Hmmmmmmmm ?
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Kenny The Squirrel.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.9.11 @ 11:54AM
Someone farted on the thread again.
Clint| 12.9.11 @ 12:21PM
Con Job Eats Bibi's Farts.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Israel Firster Con Job.
Grzmlyk| 12.9.11 @ 1:07PM
Which part of "Israel First Con Job's" anatomy will your "Tea party Rebellion" step on, old Cuckoo-for-Coco-Puffs Clint?
Could it be, oh, I don't know, his face?
You must be moist with anticipation of all that stomping you're going to do.
You are one hell of a good argument for retroactive abortion.
Simon Templar| 12.9.11 @ 1:44PM
LOL, my sides hurt!
Grzmlyk| 12.9.11 @ 2:52PM
:-)
Grzmlyk| 12.9.11 @ 2:52PM
:-)
Clint| 12.9.11 @ 1:45PM
I Got Grizzlelicker Trained To Follow Me Around.
Now, Go Fetch Bibi's Bone, Grizzlelicker.
Jim Woodward| 12.9.11 @ 11:58AM
Having grown up in Baltimore and living in Savannah for five years, I have made and retain many Jewish friends. These two cities, historically, have some of the oldest Jewish roots in the US.
As such I have studied the history of Israel from both a Biblical perspective and its modern history since WWI.
The Arab states could have put most of the troubles in the region to rest over a century ago by simply assimilating the "palistinians" into the Arab states. They did not and they will not because they are determined to destroy Israel and the "palistinians" are the pawns and means to do so.
Now Obama has just stroked his nose with the middle finger again by celebrating Hanukkah two weeks early and lighting all of the candles at once.
Considering self hating Jews, the Left and their Muslim allies, the media and the POS in the White House, Israel may well be on her own. When she does fight, and she will have to, the afore mentioned will condem her.
Ed| 12.9.11 @ 12:07PM
No kidding. Surprised he didn't serve ham sandwiches and oysters with the celebration. Who knows, maybe he did. Unfortunately, the voting bloc that should be alarmed is pretty much the most ignorant voting bloc in America.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.9.11 @ 12:11PM
As a Jew myself, I can say they make me sick (lib Jews). My Dad was the same way. Its just too bad there aren't more of us out there.
Grzmlyk| 12.9.11 @ 1:02PM
I have to say, I used to support Israel. Right up until I saw that poll a few days ago whereby, while Obama's support among Jews has fallen, it's still amazingly robust: According to ABC, "Fifty-five percent of Jewish respondents to a September Gallup poll said they approved of Obama, a number 14 points above the national average. Moreover, the decline in support for Obama since 2008 was no greater among Jews than the general electorate or other key constituencies, Gallup found."
And Jews in Israel are still very much pro-Obama - Fifty-four percent of Israeli Jews have a favorable view of Obama, up from 41 percent last year.
It seems to me, if today's Jews had populated Europe in the 1920s and 30s, they'd not only have applauded Hitler's final solution, they'd have volunteered to build the death camps and then gleefully headed toward the showers unprompted.
Since Jews still love Obama and his anti-semitic organized crime ring, it seems to me that they themselves think Israel ought to be obliterated. If that's the case, why the hell are we defending it?
Hell, the next time a Republican is president, he should just nuke Israel into oblivion himself.
The GOP might finally get some serious Jewish support.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.9.11 @ 1:24PM
Go to Debbie Schlussel's site & see what SHE has to say about lib Jews. You'll laugh your arse off.
Simon Templar| 12.9.11 @ 2:07PM
Jews are people like all the rest of us with the same contradictions, unexplainable alliances, strange beliefs, poor decisions, and various worldviews. Many jewish conservative intellectuals struggle at times trying to understand and explain the contradictions in their own communities and families.
Just look at the white wealthy with seven generations back to the revolution who consider themselves socialist and liberals, hate thier own country, and desire to destroy capitalism, the very system that gave them this wealth, freedom, and life to have their idiotic views.
The Irish...half of them at war with the English for freedom and independence, the other cozing up with the very group that overan them for seven centuries.
Then there are the millions in Russia wanting to return to communism...tens of millions murdered in purges, seventy years of oppression, and its molotov coktails tonight, join the party!
Let us not even get started on black americans who fought for freedom and opportunity to later support the very system that now enslaves them on a welfare plantation that seems to escape their notice and awareness. Free abortions for over half a century of willful, participation in self imposed genocide and started by a bitch named Sanger that wanted them all exterminated. They fight for their right to kill themselves on someone elses dime.
We could go around the world and come up with dozens of examples of the same kind.
Hey, it perplexes me as well.....
Grzmlyk| 12.9.11 @ 2:40PM
That all may be true, Simon, but it seems to me that memories of many, many Jews are particularly short. World War II may be ancient history to Obama, liberals and Ron Paul fans, but, in the grand scheme of things, it's only a bat-of-an-eyelash ago.
And there are at least two millenia of anti-semitic history prior to World War II that you'd think would indicate to Jews that maybe it's not a good idea to idolize those who want them dead.
I understand that today's socialists loaf around on the hammock that is held up by the capitalism of their forebears. And that blacks have been bought off by the false promise of free money and the special status of perpetual victimhood, and that there are some former Soviet communists who wish to return to the days of empty bread shelves.
But when you actively put into power someone who wants to kill you, that is the most blatant example of - what? Stockholm Syndrome? Self loathing? - I've ever seen.
I mean, seriously, if I happen upon a woman who's being raped and start to intervene to save her, how many times does she have to tell me to get lost before I leave her to her fate?
Why save somebody who doesn't want to be saved?
Simon Templar| 12.9.11 @ 3:23PM
Well, you are right. It is not those confused liberal jews that I want to particularly save. It is myself and those Jews that do understand, those that have fought for freedom, those like con chef, occam, goldstein, and the millions of others.
One thing that the Nazi's did not ask Jews was their political affiliation. They could give a rats ass if they were good socialist..a jew is a jew. The Left has always been masterful at deluding people against their own interest and getting them to do the most insane things as it is a philosphy of deception. If anyone needs to be saved it is these people. They really are lost. I do share the same frustration, however, and always enjoy your comments.
mzk1| 12.10.11 @ 12:34PM
But we are talking about Israel. Remember, you are a foreign country to almost every Israeli. If they are generous and like a President who kicks us in the teeth, why be upset at them? You think they understand American politics? Can they vote? Should we intervene in internal American affairs as you, unfortunately, do in ours?
We want and need American support, at least in international bodies. We have paid for this with the lives of our own people, when the US forced "restraint" on us. But we still love the US and help with intelligence.
American Jewry is suiciding. If Israel goes, it will be a second holocaust, and jsut about finish off the Jewish people. Please look at us, not American Jews and not our leftist-controlled media.
Grzmlyk| 12.9.11 @ 2:58PM
I will, Con Chef!
Gracias.
mzk1| 12.10.11 @ 12:26PM
I would be quite shocked if we Israelis would really prefer Obama. But remember, our MSM is even worse than yours. Information on other countries is always distorted.
Firstly, Israel's biggest firiencds in the US are evangelical Christians.
Secondly, support for Israel should be based on Israel, not American Jews. The average Israeli loves America. We have helped with intelligence, and we aren't going to go Moslem Brotherhood on you; and this is true whether we become more or less religious.
Thirly, why are you upset if American Jews are putting what (they mistakenly think are) their own country's interest ahead of Isreals? I would think you would thank them for that.
Please cite the Israeli poll. I would trust Al Jezeera before Ynet. At any rate, it simpy means they like the US and are victims of our leftist press.
mzk1| 12.10.11 @ 12:43PM
I looked at the poll. It is flawed. But at the end it should be looked at as goodwill towards our (sometimes) frends the US. Do you really want us (Except for those few like me who are US citizens) to get into internal American politics? Our PM (who according to the poll should be re-elected) took the chance of standing up to that jery; you want more than that?
Reid Smith| 12.9.11 @ 1:10PM
Aaron,
Fair points. I was considering the question from more of a "policy prescriptive" angle, and I'd say this still come down to "nominal" support, but I understand your concerns.
Con Chef (NB) | 12.9.11 @ 1:25PM
What, Clint? Your Queers for Palestine meeting let out early again?
Clint| 12.9.11 @ 1:50PM
Let Go Of Bibi's Bone, Con Job.
Bad Israel Firster !
Grzmlyk| 12.9.11 @ 2:44PM
Clint just popped a blood vessel in his eye again.
That ought to tip your parole officer off that either you're back to stalking Cub Scouts or else frothing rabidly over a keyboard again, Cuckoo-for-Coco-Puffs.
Maybe you should eat more fiber.
Clint| 12.9.11 @ 5:04PM
Like I Said, I Got GrizzleLicker Trained To Follow Me Around.
Now, Play Dead.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Grizzlelicker.
Jordan48| 12.9.11 @ 5:32PM
Unless one is an educated idiot (someone who is full of knowledge, but lacks common "horse sense") you would have to admit that Obamanation is a man of deception. He is a liar and his primary focus is to divide and destroy this nation.
He is a curse upon this nation and its' people. While I do not endorse Romney or Gingrich for POTUS, I must admit that either man would be a tremendous improvement over Obamanation and his corrupt administration! Sadly, if the opposing candidates to Obamanations re-election campaign support a national health care program and are in favor of Amnesty for Illegal Aliens, most of the conservative voters will stay home on election day!
In nearly 6 1/2 decades, I have never before seen a POTUS that comes close to being a "man of evil" and a servant of the spirit of the anti-christ than I have witnessed in Obamanation! Is it any surprise to most of us that Obamanation is anti-Israel? He talks out both sides of his mouth, promotes hatred and division, promotes organized and corrupt labor unions, perpetuates racial discrimination, refuses to support national pride, and promotes the use of tax payer dollars to fund the abortion mills of this nation?
martin j smith| 12.10.11 @ 8:44AM
I have a brilliant idea. Lets defeat Obama in the 2012 election. That will help a lot. And lets also make sure there is a candidate who is nota Ron Paul or anyone else who has a chip on their shoulder about Israel and the Jewish people. No Anti-Semites in the WH.