A 1995
Vanity Fair piece by Gail Sheehy has the goods on Newt
Gingrich. In this blog entry, we focus on his own megalomania:
"It's not altruism! It's not altruism!" he proclaimed to The
Washington Post in 1985. "I have an enormous personal ambition.
I want to shift the entire planet. And I'm doing it...Oh, this
is just the beginning of a 20-or-30-year movement. I'll get credit
for it...As a historian, I understand how histories are written. My
enemies will write histories that dismiss me and prove I was
unimportant. My friends will write histories that glorify me and
prove I was more important than I was. And two generations or three
from now, some serious, sober historian will write a history that
sort of implies I was whoever I was." Until he reaches his
"impossibly high ideal," Newt will remain the unacknowledged child.
Many observers see the child at the center of Newt. "Newtie is
still a kid," admits Kit. Marcella McPherson agrees: "Newtie wants
things Newtie's way...If he wants something, he wants it now.
Newtie was always for Newtie."
I've heard the man with my own ears refer to himself as a
"world-historical figure." He's the kind of guy who, living out his
own personal drama, would welcome the worst sort of brinksmanship
not for the sake of the cause, but for the sake of the brink
itself.
A guy who overturned FORTY YEARS OF DEMOCRAT dominance in the
House REQUIRED that attitude, otherwise, he would have been like
those Republicans who ACQUIESCED to that dominance.
You seem to keep pushing this idea that his attitude should turn
us away from him.
We DON'T WANT a squish like Romney, nor Bush, nor any such like,
we want an articulate fighter, someone who has to suppress his own
internal desires to go after his political opponents.
Romney has about as much fire and passion as a not untypical
houseplant!
We don't want any of this Bush crap, utter crap, about "we're
all in this wonderful thing called public service!"
We feel like telling Bush off to his face for the damage he did
to the country, his party and to us.
And Romney enjoys the favour of that jerk family.
If Gingrich has an attitude ---------------------- GOOD! All the
better, because that's EXACTLY what we want, someone with an
attitude, a GENUINE confidence that flows from his UNEQUIVOCAL
embrace of American Exceptionalism.
Derek Leaberry| 12.6.11 @ 4:12PM
The political decision of millions of southern whites to
discontinue punishing the Republican Party for Mr. Lincoln's War
largely created the Republican House majority in the 1990s. Newt
Gingrich was a beneficiary.
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 5:02PM
That's a stretch in a major way.
You don't seem to understand that the GOP at the time didn't
just acquiesce to Democrat dominance, but had acclimated themselves
to it, and were {and many STILL ARE} made extremely uncomfortable
at the thought of anybody fiercely taking it to the Democrat
opposition.
If you had lived through those years, and had followed politics
as many of us had then, you wouldn't be taking for granted what
Gingrich did, and what he ALONE had the vision to attempt.
It's one thing to go off after Gingrich for some of his
misdeeds, for some of his personality quirks, but don't go running
down his signature accomplishment, something that men like Bob Dole
ACTIVELY opposed him trying.
Did you know that?
Bob Dole actually OPPOSED Gingrich's attempt to create a
"contract with America" and nationalize the House races. Dole was
one of those ALTOGETHER COMFORTABLE with the GOP being nothing more
than a sterile appendage to the Washington establishment.
Derek Leaberry| 12.7.11 @ 9:34AM
Although the aggressiveness of Gingrich was preferable to the
placidity of Robert Michel, the landslide of '94 was largely
created by 1) a reaction against Bill Clinton similar to the '10
reaction against Barack Obama and 2) the large movement of southern
congressional districts to the Republicans, a movement ably
assisted by the creation of about one dozen majority-minority
congressional districts.
As Santorum pointed out, the GOP had also just scored their
first major victory against Democratic corruption in the House
banking and post office scandals. The time was right for the GOP to
capitalize on the Democratic culture of corruption and Newt took
advantage of it.
Of course, by 1998 that advantage had passed and so had
Newt.
Bob K.| 12.6.11 @ 8:36PM
The change in the south in the 90's was going to happen, with or
without Newt. There was a Democrat President from the south who won
2 terms without getting 50% of the popular vote either time. The
South was ready to leave the Democratic party. Newt helped out some
but he sure as hell did not cause it! I don't even think he was
smart enough to realize it was going to happen judging from his
record a Speaker of the House. He acted like taking over the House
was an anomaly and not an inevitability.
teflon93| 12.6.11 @ 1:04PM
Quin "I Blast Romney at Every Turn" Hillyer has now written 8
posts/articles blasting Gingrich to 1 critical of Romney since Oct
3rd.
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 1:05PM
Now, now Teflon, don't get jumping to any conclusions or arrive
at any suspicion about who Quin is really favouring.
I'm sure that really Quin is a Bachmann supporter, but like
Obama, he's keeping that all on "the down low."
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 1:07PM
And you realize Teflon that Quin right now is doing NEXUS
searches on old, back in the day, hit pieces on Newt. He's
exhausting himself right now, and all yesterday and the weekend
too, painstakingly perusing for old hit pieces on Newt.
A Georgetown boy too!
teflon93| 12.6.11 @ 1:10PM
I hear you, Dan---he's so busy doing anti-Gingrich research he
simply doesn't have time to take down his Establishment RINO
archenemy Willard "Mittens" Romney.
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 1:04PM
The Bush nostalgiacs who are looking for some pathetic squish
they're all cozy and comfortable with can go get f#$�!
ggoblue| 12.6.11 @ 2:18PM
jebus quinn...go vote for obama then...
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 2:34PM
I'm no fan of Romney.
But I'm also no fan of Newt.
The man is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT a conservative. Why can't you
people see that? Not only that, but his narcissism is going to make
it very difficult for him to form the alliances and build the
coalitions he will need to accomplish anything.
Yes, I'd vote for Gingrich over Obama. And I'd vote for Romney
over Obama. But neither of those choices will affect America's
trajectory. Romney will bow and scrape before the status quo and
Gingrich will think he's clever enough to harness it to build his
own progressive utopia. He'll be wrong, and even if he were right,
Gingrich's vision for this country is not far different from any
run-of-the-mill statist's.
Also, any Republican that's elected to the presidency can easily
be chewed up and spit out in a heartbeat by the entrenched
bureaucracy - career staffers, regulators, lawyers, lobbyists, the
faceless army that fills the hundreds of thousands of Federal
department positions, etc.
That's where the power lies in Washington. If you're a Democrat,
of course, that entrenched power infrastructure is at your beck and
call.
I'm sorry, but Rush Limbaugh is living in fantasyland on this
one - I understand that he doesn't want to diss any GOP contenders,
and so he rails against any criticism against any of them.
But if either Romney or Gingrich is the answer, I shudder to
think what the question is.
DRed| 12.6.11 @ 2:40PM
The question is 'How terrible does a candidate have to be to
lose to one of the least popular presidents in recent American
history'
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 3:09PM
Don't sell yourself short. Obama remains the darling of thieves
like you, who believe you are entitled to live large off of the
sweat of another man's brow.
And don't forget the legions of crony capitalists happy to prop
up the petulant, ignorant teenager in the oval office (think
Jeffrey Immelt, Goldman Sachs, Warren Buffett, Al Gore). All they
have to do is espouse socialist bromides and they are free to steal
taxpayer money hand over fist so that they can live in the luxury
that all good socialist elites are convinced they so richly
deserve.
In today's America, there are way more freeloaders and thieves
like you, who want to sit in the cart, than there are decent human
beings left whom you can enslave to pull the cart.
And there are vast swaths of useless debris out there, like the
OWS garbage, who are too ignorant or too greedy to contemplate the
difference between real job creation and funny-money government
sinecures.
It is the fools, the crooks, the pawns and the nihilists who
keep our piece of shit in chief's ratings above the 0% he has
earned.
DRed| 12.6.11 @ 3:27PM
It's funny that you put Goldman Sachs in there, Grzmlyk. You
believe in tax cuts for the wealthy and de-regulation of the
financial industry, no? Who do you think that's going to benefit?
You?
Actually, you probably don't care either way. All you seem to
offer is inchoate rage. I'm not even sure you know what you're
angry about, other than the usual boring catchphrases you list
off.
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 4:26PM
Inchoate? Do you even know what that word means?
Because I think it's pretty focused.
Hey, why don't you ask Goldman? They're good buddies with your
god, Obama. He's THEIR guy. And they're HIS bitch. The old campaign
donation quid pro quo.
Or maybe you can ask Jeffrey Immelt. Or possible whoever is the
puppet running GM now. Or maybe Richard Trumka. Gosh, so many
corrupt high-rolling Democrats, so little trough to cram the money
into.
By all means, Dred, whatever your greedy little heart desires
that will make your life of utterly useless lassitude nice and
comfy, someone else should be forced to give it to you. You
shouldn't have to lift a finger. It's not like you haven't already
done enough by insisting that other people give you money. You've
probably even mussed your hair once or twice in your sincere
protestations for - what are you calling it? Oh yes. "Social
Justice," nudge nudge wink, wink. Somebody should pay you for
THAT.
After all, a nice home, a sweet ride, a high-paying job that you
don't REALLY have to show up for, a college degree with which you
can wipe your ass, maybe some bling, an EBT card that will be
honored at all the hippest clubs, high-speed Internet and an Ipad -
like, those are TOTALLY your civil rights, dude.
You shouldn't even have to get up off of your plush leather
couch! Party on!
DRed| 12.6.11 @ 5:23PM
Yes, inchoate. Look at your latest work. You seem to think
Goldman Sachs is controlled by Obama because of the campaign
donations they give him, which makes no sense whatsoever. And I
notice you avoided my simple questions yet again, preferring to go
off on one of your rants.
I notice you avoided my simple questions about Goldman and
instead went off and pummeled away on a strawman. Come on, my
friend, they were simple questions. It goes to the incoherence of
your argument. You (at least, you seem to) think Goldman Sachs has
too much political influence and is stealing money from the public
(and you're right). At the same time, you support policies that
only make it easier for them to do so.
DRed| 12.6.11 @ 5:24PM
haha. Speaking of unfocused, that comment of mine needs some
serious editing. oof.
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 5:07PM
10% plus real unemployment.
20% plus real underemployment.
For black men aged 18 - 25, real unemployment exceeds 50%
And you're frightened of this guy?
You're frightened of taking it to him, and tarring him and
blasting him for ruining America's economy.
The guy's numbers are down there with Jimmy Carter, who lost 44
states in 1980, ----------- and you're leery of going with a real
Conservative.
If not now? -------------------- When?
If not during this crisis, when will you feel comfortable
pushing forward a genuine Conservative who will advance genuine
Conservative solutions?
If we go with Romney now, then we're effectively locking the GOP
in with Romney and Huntsman like clones for the next
generation.
It's time to break out of whatever hold the Northeastern RINOS
have over our party. We don't need a single Electoral College vote
Northeast of the Mason Dixon.
And for some like Christy Whittman that means and always has
meant that their political career has a ceiling when it hits their
respective governor's mansions.
Casey Abell| 12.6.11 @ 2:46PM
Gotta admit, I'm enjoying the Hillyer meltdown. Good ol' Quin is
liquefying a lot faster than Newt lately, even as Hillyer
confidently awaits Newt's "melt."
Psychologists call it projection.
SpiralArchitect| 12.6.11 @ 4:13PM
It seems way past the time for Quin's typically underwhelming
blow back to opposing POV & blasting of any opposition to his
opinions expressed here.
Mike W| 12.7.11 @ 12:13AM
You'll probably enjoy the GOP presidential disaster next
November less.
Gingrich is a highly questionable candidate, and we'd better
keep a close eye on him. His surge is based on being an
accomplished speaker and a feisty opponent of the Dems and their
tame media. It remains to be seen whether he has the character
needed by a President.
We need to recall the earlier excitement over Scott Brown (now
revealed as a RINO), Chris Christie (super RINO), and Donald Trump
(self-promoting clown.) These guys all looked like fighters, but
what have they been fighting for beyond their own ambitions?
This is a problem for Gingrich, too -- and for Romney, by the
way. At any rate, let's stay excited about conservative principles,
and put not our faith in princes. Or in Speakers.
In the meantime, it is an error to mindlessly attack Quin, who
knows Gingrich more intimately than any of the rest of us.
Casey Abell| 12.6.11 @ 3:13PM
"In the meantime, it is an error to mindlessly attack Quin, who
knows Gingrich more intimately than any of the rest of us."
Well, I guess I am attacking Quin Hillyer. But I'm also enjoying
his increasingly frantic anti-Newt screeds. I figure that by this
time next week, Hillyer will be calling Newt the anti-Christ and
looking for the "666" on Gingrich's scalp.
SpiralArchitect| 12.6.11 @ 4:14PM
By scripture it is said to behind the left ear, no?
Jeff Perren| 12.6.11 @ 2:58PM
Valid points, every one. The sad fact is, though, that - unless
Perry rises considerably in the polls and soon, which is very
unlikely - it's Romney or Gingrich. Given that choice, I prefer
someone who at least talks like a limited government guy. There is
a chance his feet can be held to the fire by a limited government
Congress (if we could get even close to that in 2012). With Romney,
there is no such chance.
Casey Abell| 12.6.11 @ 3:05PM
"There is a chance his [Gingrich's] feet can be held to the fire
by a limited government Congress (if we could get even close to
that in 2012). With Romney, there is no such chance."
Given their personalities and histories, I would argue the exact
opposite. I can easily see Gingrich getting into
knock-down-drag-outs with a GOP Congress. After all, that's exactly
what happened to him as Speaker. Republicans knocked him down and
dragged him out (not quite literally, but close).
I think Romney would be much more amenable to a Republican
Congress. His personality is much less confrontational, and he'd be
more worried about alienating conservatives in the GOP caucus.
Gingrich would figure he was always correct and would attempt to
crush any opposition from the GOP...or anywhere else.
All that said, I'd like Newt more as a President. Much less
boring, much more entertaining. And I doubt there would be huge
differences in policy between Gingrich and Romney, anyway.
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 3:19PM
A politician's job in post WWII America is one thing and one
thing only: Buying votes with taxpayer money to stay in power.
Republicans don't want smaller government any more than they
have to pay lip service to their constituents while they collect
the big money from lobbyists. And any Tea Party candidate with a
conscience has the choice of getting on the bus or getting run over
by it.
Besides, even if we do wind up with a genuinely conservative
congress, and a Republican president, I will bet anyone here any
sum of money that, since things are going to get MUCH worse before
they get better, the voters - those paragons of vacillating
stupidity - will vote in a Democrat congress in 2014. Hello
printing press, good bye America.
It is time to dissolve the political bands that have connected
us with the tyrants in Washington.
Gingrich or Romney - does it really make a difference? Did it
matter who the captain of the Titanic was five minutes after it hit
the iceberg?
SpiralArchitect| 12.6.11 @ 4:17PM
Did it matter who the captain of the Titanic was five
minutes after it hit the iceberg?
Point taken.
However as I recal the story the captain waited quite awhile
before taking any defensive (life saving action) as the
'unsinkable' ship was quite safe.
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 4:30PM
That's true, but once the ship hit the iceberg, it was doomed to
sink regardless of what he did; the water had breached too many
compartments.
And, like America today, there weren't enough lifeboats to
accommodate everybody anyway.
Trinacria| 12.6.11 @ 3:24PM
So Mr. Hillyer's chief argument against Gingrich as a candidate
for the presidency boils down to the fact that he's arrogant and
somewhat condescending? While that might disqualify him from the
office of Miss Congeniality, it's hardly a relevant factor in the
assessment of one's ability to hold executive office. For someone
who considers themself to be a serious thinker to take such a
profoundly unserious position is both unfortunate and rather far
short of the standards we've come to expect of those who have the
privelege to grace the pages of this commendable journal. Pity.
SpiralArchitect| 12.6.11 @ 4:23PM
I want someone with the personality of Grover (Seasame Street),
cuddly, furry & soft (spoken as well) to be the next POTUS.
Why would anyone even phantom someone with any history (ie:
experience), motivation, ambition or confidence (yes, ego too).
What good would that do for anyone. I think the Grover type
(everyones friend mind you) would do just fine strolling around the
WH, nothing to be concerned about, no issues to be resolved. Yes,
thats surely the way to go.
Mike 3/505| 12.6.11 @ 8:52PM
"that he's arrogant and somewhat condescending?"
This is the usual accusation made to their betters, by folks of
lesser intellect.
Regards,
Mike
Casey Abell| 12.6.11 @ 3:24PM
"It is time to dissolve the political bands that have connected
us with the tyrants in Washington."
Um, what does that mean? Civil war? A bunch of states tried that
once. Didn't work.
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 3:40PM
Um, we borrow $188 million dollars every hour of every day, 24
hours a day, seven days a week (that is known as
"unsustainable").
And what is the GOP doing in Washington now? Making draconian
cuts? Throwing out everything that's not nailed down in a desperate
attempt to keep the ship of state from sinking?
Nah. They're quite calmly pretending to make an effort to manage
the extent to which government GROWS. The rate at which a sinking
ship takes on MORE water.
And they're losing THAT battle. So that $188 million figure is
going to rise. We have over $200 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities
overall. How do you suppose we're going to have a safe, happy
landing from that? We're going to print money, as we have been
doing in earnest since 2008.
I don't know if you know this, but any politician peddling
reality isn't very popular these days. And so we will continue to
kick the can down the road - until we can't. Until our creditors
take away the punch bowl.
See what's happening in Europe? That is coming to America, but
multiplied manifold. That is already baked into the cake. It
mattered not one whit who was standing at the bridge once the
structural integrity of the Titanic was compromised.
So I say this to you:
America didn't collapse as a result of fiscal profligacy
before.
It is about to.
It can't happen here? Isn't that what they've said everywhere it
HAS happened?
Think Lord of the Flies. And think how we're going to emerge
from THAT.
Mike 3/505| 12.6.11 @ 8:54PM
"Think Lord of the Flies. "
I do, every time I see the OWS retards.
Oldefarte| 12.7.11 @ 10:18AM
Which would be preferable, an egomaniac man-child, self-centered
historian/capitalist/governmental budget balancer/reducer; or a
egomaniac man-child, self-centered domestic terrorist/socialist
governmental budget destructionist [as POTUS]???????????????
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 1:02PM
A guy who overturned FORTY YEARS OF DEMOCRAT dominance in the House REQUIRED that attitude, otherwise, he would have been like those Republicans who ACQUIESCED to that dominance.
You seem to keep pushing this idea that his attitude should turn us away from him.
We DON'T WANT a squish like Romney, nor Bush, nor any such like, we want an articulate fighter, someone who has to suppress his own internal desires to go after his political opponents.
Romney has about as much fire and passion as a not untypical houseplant!
We don't want any of this Bush crap, utter crap, about "we're all in this wonderful thing called public service!"
We feel like telling Bush off to his face for the damage he did to the country, his party and to us.
And Romney enjoys the favour of that jerk family.
If Gingrich has an attitude ---------------------- GOOD! All the better, because that's EXACTLY what we want, someone with an attitude, a GENUINE confidence that flows from his UNEQUIVOCAL embrace of American Exceptionalism.
Derek Leaberry| 12.6.11 @ 4:12PM
The political decision of millions of southern whites to discontinue punishing the Republican Party for Mr. Lincoln's War largely created the Republican House majority in the 1990s. Newt Gingrich was a beneficiary.
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 5:02PM
That's a stretch in a major way.
You don't seem to understand that the GOP at the time didn't just acquiesce to Democrat dominance, but had acclimated themselves to it, and were {and many STILL ARE} made extremely uncomfortable at the thought of anybody fiercely taking it to the Democrat opposition.
If you had lived through those years, and had followed politics as many of us had then, you wouldn't be taking for granted what Gingrich did, and what he ALONE had the vision to attempt.
It's one thing to go off after Gingrich for some of his misdeeds, for some of his personality quirks, but don't go running down his signature accomplishment, something that men like Bob Dole ACTIVELY opposed him trying.
Did you know that?
Bob Dole actually OPPOSED Gingrich's attempt to create a "contract with America" and nationalize the House races. Dole was one of those ALTOGETHER COMFORTABLE with the GOP being nothing more than a sterile appendage to the Washington establishment.
Derek Leaberry| 12.7.11 @ 9:34AM
Although the aggressiveness of Gingrich was preferable to the placidity of Robert Michel, the landslide of '94 was largely created by 1) a reaction against Bill Clinton similar to the '10 reaction against Barack Obama and 2) the large movement of southern congressional districts to the Republicans, a movement ably assisted by the creation of about one dozen majority-minority congressional districts.
richard mcenroe| 12.6.11 @ 11:12PM
As Santorum pointed out, the GOP had also just scored their first major victory against Democratic corruption in the House banking and post office scandals. The time was right for the GOP to capitalize on the Democratic culture of corruption and Newt took advantage of it.
Of course, by 1998 that advantage had passed and so had Newt.
Bob K.| 12.6.11 @ 8:36PM
The change in the south in the 90's was going to happen, with or without Newt. There was a Democrat President from the south who won 2 terms without getting 50% of the popular vote either time. The South was ready to leave the Democratic party. Newt helped out some but he sure as hell did not cause it! I don't even think he was smart enough to realize it was going to happen judging from his record a Speaker of the House. He acted like taking over the House was an anomaly and not an inevitability.
teflon93| 12.6.11 @ 1:04PM
Quin "I Blast Romney at Every Turn" Hillyer has now written 8 posts/articles blasting Gingrich to 1 critical of Romney since Oct 3rd.
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 1:05PM
Now, now Teflon, don't get jumping to any conclusions or arrive at any suspicion about who Quin is really favouring.
I'm sure that really Quin is a Bachmann supporter, but like Obama, he's keeping that all on "the down low."
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 1:07PM
And you realize Teflon that Quin right now is doing NEXUS searches on old, back in the day, hit pieces on Newt. He's exhausting himself right now, and all yesterday and the weekend too, painstakingly perusing for old hit pieces on Newt.
A Georgetown boy too!
teflon93| 12.6.11 @ 1:10PM
I hear you, Dan---he's so busy doing anti-Gingrich research he simply doesn't have time to take down his Establishment RINO archenemy Willard "Mittens" Romney.
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 1:04PM
The Bush nostalgiacs who are looking for some pathetic squish they're all cozy and comfortable with can go get f#$�!
ggoblue| 12.6.11 @ 2:18PM
jebus quinn...go vote for obama then...
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 2:34PM
I'm no fan of Romney.
But I'm also no fan of Newt.
The man is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT a conservative. Why can't you people see that? Not only that, but his narcissism is going to make it very difficult for him to form the alliances and build the coalitions he will need to accomplish anything.
Yes, I'd vote for Gingrich over Obama. And I'd vote for Romney over Obama. But neither of those choices will affect America's trajectory. Romney will bow and scrape before the status quo and Gingrich will think he's clever enough to harness it to build his own progressive utopia. He'll be wrong, and even if he were right, Gingrich's vision for this country is not far different from any run-of-the-mill statist's.
Also, any Republican that's elected to the presidency can easily be chewed up and spit out in a heartbeat by the entrenched bureaucracy - career staffers, regulators, lawyers, lobbyists, the faceless army that fills the hundreds of thousands of Federal department positions, etc.
That's where the power lies in Washington. If you're a Democrat, of course, that entrenched power infrastructure is at your beck and call.
I'm sorry, but Rush Limbaugh is living in fantasyland on this one - I understand that he doesn't want to diss any GOP contenders, and so he rails against any criticism against any of them.
But if either Romney or Gingrich is the answer, I shudder to think what the question is.
DRed| 12.6.11 @ 2:40PM
The question is 'How terrible does a candidate have to be to lose to one of the least popular presidents in recent American history'
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 3:09PM
Don't sell yourself short. Obama remains the darling of thieves like you, who believe you are entitled to live large off of the sweat of another man's brow.
And don't forget the legions of crony capitalists happy to prop up the petulant, ignorant teenager in the oval office (think Jeffrey Immelt, Goldman Sachs, Warren Buffett, Al Gore). All they have to do is espouse socialist bromides and they are free to steal taxpayer money hand over fist so that they can live in the luxury that all good socialist elites are convinced they so richly deserve.
In today's America, there are way more freeloaders and thieves like you, who want to sit in the cart, than there are decent human beings left whom you can enslave to pull the cart.
And there are vast swaths of useless debris out there, like the OWS garbage, who are too ignorant or too greedy to contemplate the difference between real job creation and funny-money government sinecures.
It is the fools, the crooks, the pawns and the nihilists who keep our piece of shit in chief's ratings above the 0% he has earned.
DRed| 12.6.11 @ 3:27PM
It's funny that you put Goldman Sachs in there, Grzmlyk. You believe in tax cuts for the wealthy and de-regulation of the financial industry, no? Who do you think that's going to benefit? You?
Actually, you probably don't care either way. All you seem to offer is inchoate rage. I'm not even sure you know what you're angry about, other than the usual boring catchphrases you list off.
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 4:26PM
Inchoate? Do you even know what that word means?
Because I think it's pretty focused.
Hey, why don't you ask Goldman? They're good buddies with your god, Obama. He's THEIR guy. And they're HIS bitch. The old campaign donation quid pro quo.
Or maybe you can ask Jeffrey Immelt. Or possible whoever is the puppet running GM now. Or maybe Richard Trumka. Gosh, so many corrupt high-rolling Democrats, so little trough to cram the money into.
By all means, Dred, whatever your greedy little heart desires that will make your life of utterly useless lassitude nice and comfy, someone else should be forced to give it to you. You shouldn't have to lift a finger. It's not like you haven't already done enough by insisting that other people give you money. You've probably even mussed your hair once or twice in your sincere protestations for - what are you calling it? Oh yes. "Social Justice," nudge nudge wink, wink. Somebody should pay you for THAT.
After all, a nice home, a sweet ride, a high-paying job that you don't REALLY have to show up for, a college degree with which you can wipe your ass, maybe some bling, an EBT card that will be honored at all the hippest clubs, high-speed Internet and an Ipad - like, those are TOTALLY your civil rights, dude.
You shouldn't even have to get up off of your plush leather couch! Party on!
DRed| 12.6.11 @ 5:23PM
Yes, inchoate. Look at your latest work. You seem to think Goldman Sachs is controlled by Obama because of the campaign donations they give him, which makes no sense whatsoever. And I notice you avoided my simple questions yet again, preferring to go off on one of your rants.
I notice you avoided my simple questions about Goldman and instead went off and pummeled away on a strawman. Come on, my friend, they were simple questions. It goes to the incoherence of your argument. You (at least, you seem to) think Goldman Sachs has too much political influence and is stealing money from the public (and you're right). At the same time, you support policies that only make it easier for them to do so.
DRed| 12.6.11 @ 5:24PM
haha. Speaking of unfocused, that comment of mine needs some serious editing. oof.
Dan| 12.6.11 @ 5:07PM
10% plus real unemployment.
20% plus real underemployment.
For black men aged 18 - 25, real unemployment exceeds 50%
And you're frightened of this guy?
You're frightened of taking it to him, and tarring him and blasting him for ruining America's economy.
The guy's numbers are down there with Jimmy Carter, who lost 44 states in 1980, ----------- and you're leery of going with a real Conservative.
If not now? -------------------- When?
If not during this crisis, when will you feel comfortable pushing forward a genuine Conservative who will advance genuine Conservative solutions?
If we go with Romney now, then we're effectively locking the GOP in with Romney and Huntsman like clones for the next generation.
It's time to break out of whatever hold the Northeastern RINOS have over our party. We don't need a single Electoral College vote Northeast of the Mason Dixon.
And for some like Christy Whittman that means and always has meant that their political career has a ceiling when it hits their respective governor's mansions.
Casey Abell| 12.6.11 @ 2:46PM
Gotta admit, I'm enjoying the Hillyer meltdown. Good ol' Quin is liquefying a lot faster than Newt lately, even as Hillyer confidently awaits Newt's "melt."
Psychologists call it projection.
SpiralArchitect| 12.6.11 @ 4:13PM
It seems way past the time for Quin's typically underwhelming blow back to opposing POV & blasting of any opposition to his opinions expressed here.
Mike W| 12.7.11 @ 12:13AM
You'll probably enjoy the GOP presidential disaster next November less.
Dai Alanye| 12.6.11 @ 2:52PM
Gingrich is a highly questionable candidate, and we'd better keep a close eye on him. His surge is based on being an accomplished speaker and a feisty opponent of the Dems and their tame media. It remains to be seen whether he has the character needed by a President.
We need to recall the earlier excitement over Scott Brown (now revealed as a RINO), Chris Christie (super RINO), and Donald Trump (self-promoting clown.) These guys all looked like fighters, but what have they been fighting for beyond their own ambitions?
This is a problem for Gingrich, too -- and for Romney, by the way. At any rate, let's stay excited about conservative principles, and put not our faith in princes. Or in Speakers.
In the meantime, it is an error to mindlessly attack Quin, who knows Gingrich more intimately than any of the rest of us.
Casey Abell| 12.6.11 @ 3:13PM
"In the meantime, it is an error to mindlessly attack Quin, who knows Gingrich more intimately than any of the rest of us."
Well, I guess I am attacking Quin Hillyer. But I'm also enjoying his increasingly frantic anti-Newt screeds. I figure that by this time next week, Hillyer will be calling Newt the anti-Christ and looking for the "666" on Gingrich's scalp.
SpiralArchitect| 12.6.11 @ 4:14PM
By scripture it is said to behind the left ear, no?
Jeff Perren| 12.6.11 @ 2:58PM
Valid points, every one. The sad fact is, though, that - unless Perry rises considerably in the polls and soon, which is very unlikely - it's Romney or Gingrich. Given that choice, I prefer someone who at least talks like a limited government guy. There is a chance his feet can be held to the fire by a limited government Congress (if we could get even close to that in 2012). With Romney, there is no such chance.
Casey Abell| 12.6.11 @ 3:05PM
"There is a chance his [Gingrich's] feet can be held to the fire by a limited government Congress (if we could get even close to that in 2012). With Romney, there is no such chance."
Given their personalities and histories, I would argue the exact opposite. I can easily see Gingrich getting into knock-down-drag-outs with a GOP Congress. After all, that's exactly what happened to him as Speaker. Republicans knocked him down and dragged him out (not quite literally, but close).
I think Romney would be much more amenable to a Republican Congress. His personality is much less confrontational, and he'd be more worried about alienating conservatives in the GOP caucus. Gingrich would figure he was always correct and would attempt to crush any opposition from the GOP...or anywhere else.
All that said, I'd like Newt more as a President. Much less boring, much more entertaining. And I doubt there would be huge differences in policy between Gingrich and Romney, anyway.
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 3:19PM
A politician's job in post WWII America is one thing and one thing only: Buying votes with taxpayer money to stay in power.
Republicans don't want smaller government any more than they have to pay lip service to their constituents while they collect the big money from lobbyists. And any Tea Party candidate with a conscience has the choice of getting on the bus or getting run over by it.
Besides, even if we do wind up with a genuinely conservative congress, and a Republican president, I will bet anyone here any sum of money that, since things are going to get MUCH worse before they get better, the voters - those paragons of vacillating stupidity - will vote in a Democrat congress in 2014. Hello printing press, good bye America.
It is time to dissolve the political bands that have connected us with the tyrants in Washington.
Gingrich or Romney - does it really make a difference? Did it matter who the captain of the Titanic was five minutes after it hit the iceberg?
SpiralArchitect| 12.6.11 @ 4:17PM
Did it matter who the captain of the Titanic was five minutes after it hit the iceberg?
Point taken.
However as I recal the story the captain waited quite awhile before taking any defensive (life saving action) as the 'unsinkable' ship was quite safe.
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 4:30PM
That's true, but once the ship hit the iceberg, it was doomed to sink regardless of what he did; the water had breached too many compartments.
And, like America today, there weren't enough lifeboats to accommodate everybody anyway.
Trinacria| 12.6.11 @ 3:24PM
So Mr. Hillyer's chief argument against Gingrich as a candidate for the presidency boils down to the fact that he's arrogant and somewhat condescending? While that might disqualify him from the office of Miss Congeniality, it's hardly a relevant factor in the assessment of one's ability to hold executive office. For someone who considers themself to be a serious thinker to take such a profoundly unserious position is both unfortunate and rather far short of the standards we've come to expect of those who have the privelege to grace the pages of this commendable journal. Pity.
SpiralArchitect| 12.6.11 @ 4:23PM
I want someone with the personality of Grover (Seasame Street), cuddly, furry & soft (spoken as well) to be the next POTUS.
Why would anyone even phantom someone with any history (ie: experience), motivation, ambition or confidence (yes, ego too).
What good would that do for anyone. I think the Grover type (everyones friend mind you) would do just fine strolling around the WH, nothing to be concerned about, no issues to be resolved. Yes, thats surely the way to go.
Mike 3/505| 12.6.11 @ 8:52PM
"that he's arrogant and somewhat condescending?"
This is the usual accusation made to their betters, by folks of lesser intellect.
Regards,
Mike
Casey Abell| 12.6.11 @ 3:24PM
"It is time to dissolve the political bands that have connected us with the tyrants in Washington."
Um, what does that mean? Civil war? A bunch of states tried that once. Didn't work.
Grzmlyk| 12.6.11 @ 3:40PM
Um, we borrow $188 million dollars every hour of every day, 24 hours a day, seven days a week (that is known as "unsustainable").
And what is the GOP doing in Washington now? Making draconian cuts? Throwing out everything that's not nailed down in a desperate attempt to keep the ship of state from sinking?
Nah. They're quite calmly pretending to make an effort to manage the extent to which government GROWS. The rate at which a sinking ship takes on MORE water.
And they're losing THAT battle. So that $188 million figure is going to rise. We have over $200 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities overall. How do you suppose we're going to have a safe, happy landing from that? We're going to print money, as we have been doing in earnest since 2008.
I don't know if you know this, but any politician peddling reality isn't very popular these days. And so we will continue to kick the can down the road - until we can't. Until our creditors take away the punch bowl.
See what's happening in Europe? That is coming to America, but multiplied manifold. That is already baked into the cake. It mattered not one whit who was standing at the bridge once the structural integrity of the Titanic was compromised.
So I say this to you:
America didn't collapse as a result of fiscal profligacy before.
It is about to.
It can't happen here? Isn't that what they've said everywhere it HAS happened?
Think Lord of the Flies. And think how we're going to emerge from THAT.
Mike 3/505| 12.6.11 @ 8:54PM
"Think Lord of the Flies. "
I do, every time I see the OWS retards.
Oldefarte| 12.7.11 @ 10:18AM
Which would be preferable, an egomaniac man-child, self-centered historian/capitalist/governmental budget balancer/reducer; or a egomaniac man-child, self-centered domestic terrorist/socialist governmental budget destructionist [as POTUS]???????????????