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Kudos to Mike Huckabee for bringing together the GOP candidates (save for Jon Huntsman) for a forum on his Fox News Channel show. Each candidate was asked an extensive set of questions by three Republican State Attorney Generals - Ken Cuccinelli of Virginia, Pam Bondi of Florida and Scott Pruitt of Oklahoma. He provided an opportunity for the candidates to speak about the role of the federal government, state government, the courts and the Constitution.
Now I did not see Newt Gingrich’s session and thus not in a position to comment on the merits of his exchange. I will say that overall I was generally more impressed with the quality of the questions pose by the three GOP Attorney Generals than the answers given by the GOP candidates.
For instance, Michele Bachmann struggled to answer Bondi’s question as to how she planned to deal with illegal immigrants other than to say that she would enforce the law. O.K., how would she enforce the law? Cuccinelli raised the practicality of shutting down the EPA if there was a dispute between states (i.e. if emissions from a factory in Ohio crossed over into Pennsylvania.) Bachmann replied that the two states could simply negotiate with one another. Cuccinelli pointed out that still required a legal framework. And what if the two states couldn’t come to an agreement? Clearly it was something Bachmann hadn’t given it a moment’s thought.
Ron Paul was unable to answer Pruitt’s question as to what alternative means he would use instead of the Patriot Act to combat domestic terrorism. He also said that terrorism was a crime, not an act of war which is line with the position advanced by the Obama Administration and the Clinton Administration before it. When Bondi asked him about the actions of al Qaeda on September 11, 2001 he acknowledged it was an act of terrorism but he was more interested in addressing al Qaeda’s grievances than in addressing the deaths of innocent American civilians. Paul was lucky that Bondi wasn’t allotted more time to grill him because if she were he would have been burned to a crisp.
Mitt Romney was far more composed with Cuccinelli than he was with Bret Baier when it came to defending Romneycare in Massachusetts. But not only was Romney was unable to tell Cuccinelli how it was substantially different than Obamacare, he was just plain wrong when he said that his program only affected the 8% of the population who were uninsured. All residents of Massachusetts (yours truly amongst them) have to disclose our health insurance information on our state tax forms. To be precise, it’s called a Form HC-1099. Failure to disclose this information can result in a fine of up to $1,116.
Nevertheless, I liked this format and hope will it be employed again. I also suspect we will be hearing a lot more from Bondi, Cuccinelli and Pruitt in the coming years.
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C Bowen | 12.4.11 @ 7:25AM
The Canadian is arguing that terrorism is not a crime, too funny.
Jack in Wi| 12.4.11 @ 2:52PM
Ron Paul as usual won the debate by just showing up. He is the intellectual giant towering over the 6 remaining pygmies. If some of these people are to be believed all the constitutional guarentees of liberty under the Bill Of Rights are supposed to be repressed for some fantasy terrorist group. We had thousands killed in various gang wars in this country and never suspended the Constitution. Who among our founders would think that the Federal government could strip search an 85 year old handicapped women at an airport without any due process? Those who trade security for liberty will have neither. Arron Goldstein this is not Israel. We have a written constitution here and civil rights for all, not just one priviliged group.
OccupyTAS| 12.4.11 @ 5:56PM
Ron Paul is awesome! Listen to Ralph Nader explaining why he thinks Paul is an excellent candidate and decide for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf47QATWUKs
C Bowen | 12.4.11 @ 7:20PM
What is more pathetic is that this magazine/web site was anti-Patriot Act V. 1 when Clinton tried to shove it through in 1996.
Ashcroft, strangely, led the fight against.
Amspec actually explored the problems with the government narrative regarding OKC (and Waco for that matter) and now they have a Red (he claims he is a former Red) Canadian who was scared of Iraq working for them.
DrTomVoter| 12.4.11 @ 8:19AM
I there some way to swap the 3 AGs for 3 of the candidates?
SUSEYQUE| 12.4.11 @ 8:24AM
It was a pleasure to listen to the candidates at the Huckabee forum. There were no "gotcha" questions, but there were questions of importance and substance. For a change, this forum was a pleasant two hours of thoughtful discourse.
Wayne| 12.4.11 @ 8:49AM
Not only Bachmann doesn't know about what to do with the illegals, but nobody does. It is why we are so angry with Washington in the first place. They left is with a problem, that we know will result in 11 million more Democrats wanting a hand out.
What Republicans need to do is a mea culpa, and admit they were wrong to listen to the Chamber of Commerce who encouraged the GOP to look the other way in favor of cheap labor. Then we must set onerous penalties on any business that does not use e-verify and hires illegal aliens. We also cannot provide services to those here illegally. No welfare, nothing. It sounds cruel, but the cruelity comes from the two political parties and a stupid law signed by Reagan.
It is not OUR responsibility to deport those here illegally. But it is our responsibility to eliminate the labor pool.
Sean| 12.4.11 @ 10:07AM
Actually she said deport them. The country did a mass deportation during the Eisenhower administration and can easily do it again.
Solo| 12.4.11 @ 10:33AM
Yes, he did! And....he even called it "Operation Wetback" (look it up). LOL!
Do you think we could get away with re-animating "Operation WetBack"?
It might be worth it just to watch democrat's heads explode.
Sean| 12.4.11 @ 3:38PM
I doubt we would call it that, but if you look at the details it was really very simple. They allowed local law enforcement to enforce immigration law. You know they have them enforcing all kinds of federal laws such as bank robbery, drug enforcement, but when it comes to immigration the liberals claim that is for the Feds only.
Mimi| 12.4.11 @ 9:06AM
The states of Virginia, Oklahoma, and Florida can be very proud of themselves for voting in those Attorney General's and to think they it is they who are the A G's taking Obama-care to the Supreme Court!
Our guys did well in answering the questions....You couldn' t help thinking if "O" was also there...and how inferior he would look in comparison.....It's too bad we have the mess we're in....we have a "SLAM BANG THANK YOU MA'ME"...Try this...NO try that....shovel ready jobs..? ....oh well, ha ..ha!, some crew....eh? We have excellence in this country they need to be put to work and hopefully in 2012 we can fix it!
Clint| 12.4.11 @ 9:08AM
Dr.Ron Paul, Understands The Constitution And The Free Market.
http://whatreallyhappened.net/.....tial-forum
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And Iowa.
Eric Dondero | 12.4.11 @ 9:57AM
Oh, geez, I'm shocked Aaron. You mean Islamist-sympathizing Ron Paul has the same views as Islamist Obama on Islamism? Who would have ever thunk it??
Eric Dondero | 12.4.11 @ 9:59AM
Oh, geez, I'm shocked Aaron. You mean Islamist-sympathizing Ron Paul has the same views as Islamist Obama on Islamism? Who would have ever thunk it??
Solo| 12.4.11 @ 10:07AM
I liked the format. It was far more substantive than the 90 second sound bite format ripe with "gotcha" questions we are normally 'treated to'.
I thought all the candidates came off better than in previous 'debates' for two reasons:
First...this actually wasn't a "debate" per se'. It was more an 'interview'.
And Second....The questions were more relevant to the real issues which interest conservatives/republicans.
Frankly...it was refreshing to be spared the "Do you believe science or the Bible as to the creation of the earth and its age?" gotcha crap the media so love.
The "downside"...?
The questions were somewhat predictable (given the panel of 'questioners') and this allowed the candidates to prepare canned answers which made some of them appear more conservative than their records would indicate.
I thought Romney's ruminations about the 10th Amendment and "strict constructionism" were articulated well but less than convincing given the source.
The biggest revelation of the evening came from none other than "The RuPaul" in expressing his willingness to sign un-Constitutional legislation (or, more precisely, to allow the continuation of unconstitutional policies) so as to avoid "social anarchy" (his words) during a transition to elimination of those policies. Spoken like a true NeoCon, Ron! LOL!
Although...I seriously doubt that his drooling minions took note. I'm sure once he was on screen most of them were too busy masturbating in their tin-foil-hats to notice.
Clint| 12.4.11 @ 11:56AM
Do Your Homework & Pay Attention Israel Firster Propaganda Flunkie Stooge, Solo.
Dr.Ron Paul Didn't Say" Social Anarchy".
He Said " Anarchy".
Dr. Ron Paul Has Always Championed "Transitioning Out " of The FED & Social Security Etc.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And Iowa.
Clint| 12.4.11 @ 10:14AM
Dr. Ron Paul,
"I Would Ask Congress For a Declaration Of War Against Iran, If Necessary. "
Dr.Ron Paul's Foreign Policy Advisor Michael Scheuer, Former CIA Chief of The bin Laden Unit,
2.) Publicly state that there will be no U.S. surprise attack on Iran, and no U.S. attack at all on Iran unless the president asks for a formal declaration of war and the Congress votes its approval in a constitutional manner.
3.) Call in Israel's ambassador to the United States and tell him that we understand that Israel believes Iran is a threat to its survival, and that we agree that Israel has every right to defend itself. If Israel believes it must go to war with Iran, then so be it. But also tell the ambassador that if Israel attacks Iran, the U.S. administration will declare U.S. neutrality in the war and immediately cut off military and financial support to all combatants in the war.
4.) Speak to the American people and tell them to expect to be brutally propagandized by U.S. citizen Israel-Firsters through AIPAC, their ubiquitous media shills, and the men and women they own in the U.S. Congress and federal bureaucracy. Urge Americans to ignore this effort by U.S. Israel-Firsters to get them to send their soldier-children to fight in a religious war in which the U.S. has no genuine national interest at stake, and in which U.S. participation would further bankrupt the country, require the reintroduction of conscription, and put America at war with all of the Muslim world -- Shia and Sunni -- for the foreseeable future."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Solo| 12.4.11 @ 10:40AM
YEAH! F-ing A, bubba!
Let's fix those f-ing JOOOOOS, once and for all!
Leave em 'high and dry'. No wait.....not so 'high and dry'. Let's watch as the Muzzies march them all into the sea. We're sick of those hook-nosed, pointy-toothed baby eaters stealing our gold, huh?
Clint| 12.4.11 @ 11:26AM
Uh Oh !
Israel Firster Solo Attempts To Play The Dog Eared Anti-Jew Card On Tea Party Clint.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Mike W| 12.4.11 @ 1:22PM
The "anti semite " card is the last resort to a neocon losing an argument.
Red Phillips | 12.4.11 @ 5:06PM
Mike, unfortunately it's often not the last resort. Often it is the first resort.
TarponGman| 12.5.11 @ 12:34PM
Great Strategy Clint; Take all your options off the table, let the enemy know we wont retailate unless we have an airtight case against him (which we wont because Iran will give it's NUCLEAR BOMB to a third party terrorist proxy for use) and tell the only nation that has the will to stop them that we will throw them to the wolves.
Do you speak for every Tea Partier in Iowa? I find it hard to believe everyone up there is so naive.
bill| 12.4.11 @ 10:23AM
From now on, it's going to be Rick perry show, considering his stunning performance for the Fox News GOP forum. He was articulate and demonstrated his commitment to the conservative causes, and his bold plan stood alone amongst the GOP contenders, that will grow the economy and restore the "shinning city in the hill." Rick Perry can unify Americans and defeat Obama in a landslide.
Newt and Mitt remind us Herman Cain, flip-flop and no track records.
Redatheart| 12.5.11 @ 7:17AM
Thanks, Bill, for posting the most obvious result of the Huckabee forum. Rick Perry was composed and relaxed when he delivered his responses to the AG's, primarily because he is the strongest candidate in the race regarding the defense of the 10th Amendment.
Dai Alanye | 12.5.11 @ 10:07AM
The best thing that can be said about Perry is that he wasn't quite as bad as usual. But he insisted, for instance, against the doubts of all three AGs, that he could overturn Obamacare with an Executive Order. Seems like he hasn't read that part of the Constitution which delegates certain powers to Congress. He seemed to be trying extra hard to project earnestness for whatever reason, sitting on the edge of his seat throughout the questioning.
Perry simply comes across as being an intellectual notch or two below the other candidates. He's dead in the water, and probably a good thing, too, for the conservative cause.
bill| 12.4.11 @ 12:44PM
Rick Perry was "right on the money" about the 10th amendment and the states' rights. His plan for tax reform, the Washington overhaul, and the balanced budget mantra are resonating among the GOP voters, and they sure will rally behind his campaign and help elect Rick Perry to be the next President.
It's about time..................
Lillie| 12.4.11 @ 12:51PM
That would be Attorneys General!
PCC| 12.4.11 @ 7:18PM
Yes, it's supposed to be "Attorneys General", but the fact is, "Attorney Generals" seems more natural.
Hopefully, just like the usage of the word "hopefully", the language will evolve to embrace "Attorney Generals".
Bob K.| 12.4.11 @ 11:24PM
And "hopelessly" it won't.
PCC| 12.5.11 @ 1:54PM
I shall remain hopeful.
Dai Alanye | 12.4.11 @ 2:33PM
Newt was his usual slippery self, having an excuse or answer for every question but being ultimately unsatisfying. Bachmann stumbled , Perry looked the least astute of the bunch, Ron Paul couldn't even state which amendment to the Constitution he considered the least useful.
But one candidate seemed to fully satisfy the Attorney Generals -- Rick Santorum. Adding this to his last debate performance I'm hopeful he's finally getting his presentation together. He's generally had the wisest policies all along.
Redatheart| 12.5.11 @ 7:22AM
Santorum came across as he does in debates--wanting so desperately to be the Teacher's Pet of the Conservative Movement. He tries so hard to outshine the others by trying to hit all the big ticket conservative talking points. He did not impress the AG's especially based on their comments or expressions. In fact, they had to cut him off and move the interview forward because he typically would get stuck on a tirade, talking fast and trying to cram as much into an aswer as he could. His desperation is tiresome and isn't working.
Clint| 12.4.11 @ 3:00PM
Do Your Homework.
" As President, Dr. Ron Paul will support a Liberty Amendment to the Constitution to abolish the income and death taxes. And he will be proud to be the one who finally turns off the lights at the IRS for good."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
OccupyTAS| 12.4.11 @ 5:59PM
Ron Paul fights for the 99%. That's why the elite Wall Street Republicans attack him.
Brittanicus| 12.4.11 @ 7:56PM
California—the epitome of a Sanctuary state, that is suffering terribly from the millions of foreign nationals that have illegally settled there. As if they don’t have enough problems with a senile old Democrat (Liberal) Governor Jerry Brown and a wilting state treasury deficit of $8.5 billion dollars, the good legal population must now suffer under Democrat Assemblyman Felipe Fuentes, is helping to lead a measure, called the ‘California Opportunity and Prosperity Act.’ It would allow if passed 1 million illegal aliens or more to reside and work openly in the state with little dread of deportation under a scheme unveiled Friday by a state legislator and others.
Fuentes explained this measure as a "moderate, common-sense approach" necessitated by the federal government's inability to pass comprehensive immigration reform.
America has already seen the devastation of what cheap labor has done to the working class, the blue collar jobs, the low income US workers, since the outcome of the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli bill. Millions more of American workers are without jobs, because of no enforcement at the business level before President Obama—whose great enforcement work has dropped off, mainly because of the ‘usual suspects’ in the corporate world, special interests and penetrated by radical ethic majorities. As the Liberal press holds back the truth, the illegal alien workforce is still stealing jobs, committing heinous crimes and perhaps the abhorrent bloody mayhem on the highways of this country.
Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, a Republican, exploded against the proposal as a s a way to undermine the central governments immigration policies. He envisaged it wouldn't have a "snowball's chance in hell" of winning voter endorsement. Donnelly added, "There's a proper process for coming to this country," saying of illegal nationals "Why you don’t respect that?" Illegal Immigration is not about any person’s place of origin—it doesn’t matter, although the Liberal newspapers and e-media use their influence to make it seem that way—it’s not? For the illegal alien invaders affect us all. It causes massive financial problems for the taxpayers, which hard-coated legislators stay indifferent. If you hold a authentic green card, a naturalization document or you are a birthright citizen, the reality is you are a here to become an American. The Liberal progressives are slowly turning to a socialist (labor) society, which has already corrupted Europe to the detriment of its indigenous people with mass immigration?
Supposedly the proposal would outline the following criteria that the person had settled in California for four years, have no criminal convictions; not being a terrorist, and as most pro-illegal migrant and immigrant politicians who have sided with the Liberal progressive and extremist philosophy of ever increasing government, more taxes to pay for welfare support for the 20 million plus, who arrived by plane and stayed, jumped ship or slipped past the U.S. Border Patrol; and at least another half-million enter this country each year.
Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Utah, Indiana are all weighted down with the foreign nationals that have arrived there, but have facilitated their own laws in reduce the numbers and the unfunded mandates of education, health care and a crowded prison system.
This is why we must succeed in passing the ‘Legal Workforce Act’ or known to Americans as Mandatory E-Verify law. Obama’s presidential orders have been creeping in, which are not following the law and even allowing illegal aliens to remain here. E-Verify will produce the opposite effect, which unlawful aliens will begin to leave as jobs will become less available. Right now E-Verify is just voluntary program, but with a growing number of sponsoring policy makers joining Lamar Smith’s H.R.2885, the chances are ‘The Legal Workforce Act’ could reach the house floor for that bill to pass. E-Verify and its passage to Congress is well documented on NumbersUSA internet site and information about the negative side if it doesn’t reach the house floor. Already out of the required 100 needed co-sponsors, only 33 are needed to compliment the law. It’s the Public assistance and taxpayer voters, who are contacting their Representatives in the House and Senate, determined not to be ushered to the side and demanding the E-Verify law. Thousands are calling 202-224-3121 to be directed to their federal and state political members and having a nationwide impact.
Michelle Bachmann, a strong advocate for the, The U.S. Constitution, the ‘Rule of Law’ and a TEA PARTY Republican will not be tempted, with the accustomed corruption exhibited within the Halls of Congress. The Tea Party and businessman Herman Cain will remain adamant in opposition to any job or economy killing immigration reform; if Cain lasts the dirty tricks of the other side? Bachmann, Perry have launched their own attacks against former speaker Newt Gingrich who as proposed a similar law to Assemblyman Fuentes in California, with the tirade of paying fines, prior taxes and having no criminal history. Bachmann has already promised to return power to the States, plus trashing Dept of Education, the current tax codes the Environmental Protection Agency to name just two. The EPA has become like a omnipotent power with adding every year thousands of new regulation, creating obstacles for small business to survive.
Last September debate Perry got pounded for his support for a Texas version of the Dream Act that the TEA PARTY is a strong opponent. Mitt Romney is now echoing Former Congressman Tom Tancredo's who has a huge following and where “amnesty” is a watchword for taxpayers. Tancredo criticizes his rivals, particularly New York Gov. Giuliani for his low key support of a Sanctuary City policy and Huckabee, for both being soft on immigration. Anyone who is to reside in the ‘Oval Office’ must strengthen our immigration laws for American taxpayer first; not pandering to foreign nationals, undocumented immigrants, unauthorized aliens—but none-sanitized, or complicated by the ‘Politically Correctness’ term as they really are—illegal aliens. But most Prez candidates support constructing the fence, and Rick Santorum astonished me when he mentioned Prior President Bush’s ‘Secure Fence Act’ of 2006. Last September Santorum has stated he opposes benefits for illegal aliens, comprehensive immigration reform, and supports a border fence and making English the national language.
Although Santotum has hinted in providing some method for "dealing with" individuals who are already squatting in this country? Senator Santorum also expressed his resistance to any plans to grant social security (a Bush proposal never ratified as yet?) and other discretionary expenditures to illegal aliens who are living in the United States. Every one of the candidates have their ‘Point of view’ which is a powder-keg issue’ that is going to be a strong ticket arising in the presidential elections and stand its ground with both jobs and the economy—as all are major troubles that co-exist together. The bottom line without enforcing immigration laws is the unparalleled encouragement of more illegal aliens coming here without any substantial benefits to an American public other than stealing jobs in all low classes of occupations.
If there is to be a ‘Guest Workers’ program it must be strictly adhered to, with a tracking system of locating absconders’ and able to trace and deport. Whatever the Liberal media says, the TEA PARTY is expanding and growing in extensive numbers and sees illegal immigration as a financial liability, but not so with new legal immigrants. The Tea Party would accept I believe a ‘Points System’ like European countries, with the advantage of bringing in the brains from other countries. These would be acclaimed professionals in engineering, science and other future industries that would be perceived as being not relying on the welfare or public assistance from taxpayers.
Redatheart| 12.5.11 @ 7:31AM
Both Bachmann and Gingrich stumbled on immigration in this forum because neither has first-hand, real-time experience dealing with it. It's one thing to espouse eloquently about how tough one will be, but quite another when its time to provide specific details. Bachmann, especially, was quick to try and shove the issue aside because beyond claiming she'll round out and ship out illegals much as one would do a wandering herd of cattle grazing on a neighbor's ranch, she has no plan.
Dealing with illegal immigration is something the federal govt. must do and Rick Perry, having dealt with the failure of the Fed's, knows the weak spots and what can be done. The AG's were also trying to get to the fundamental discussion of what obligations/rights do states have; as President, Perry will provide states with the assistance they need. Michele Bachmann has done nothing in her home state which has a border with another country where illegal access here can occur. What did Newt Gingrich accomplish regarding immigration as Speaker and a Congressman?
Adele | 12.4.11 @ 8:44PM
Just couldn't bring yourself to mention what an outstanding evening Governor Perry had. So, I'll say it for you. Every one of the three AG's was impressed with Governor Perry and Huckabee had nothing but praise for him either. He was the most conservative in his answers and frankly, the most articulate candidate to be questioned last night and that is INCLUSIVE of Gingrich, who didn't seem happy being questioned by three individuals unmoved by his self-proclaimed brilliance.
I know it, you know it and everyone who bothered to watch knows it and failing to even mention his name tells volumes about you personally as well as your agenda.
The American people are looking for conservative leadership and you are doing your utmost level best to try and diminish the campaign of that candidate. We don't need you or anyone else whether they call themselves pundit, journalist, media or insider trying to pick our candidate. To say the least, I'm disappointed in your continued association with AS is an understatment and I will be considering whether or not to continue my association in light of your continued condescension to the readers.
Bob Buoy| 12.4.11 @ 9:11PM
Newt seriously? "we need to eliminate the EPA and replace it with an Environmental Solutions Administration" - typical newt BS. Cain withdraws for allegedly doing what Newt has done multiple times -- wake up repubs. Newt would be a disaster as prez. And for the rick perry fans -- he didn't know he couldn't just stop obamacare through executive order -- he finally caught on after given multiple chances by Ken C.
lauren bishop| 12.5.11 @ 4:33AM
It's "attorneys general" moron.
Tenn Slim| 12.5.11 @ 9:28AM
Missed this one, watched my everloved Arizona Cards beat the sn.... out of Americas Team
Hoo Rah.
Semper Fi
Leah| 12.6.11 @ 10:11AM
Aren't you being unreasonable? Michele Bachman says she'd enforce the law. Why is that difficult to understand? Obviously Bondi was looking to undermine her in order to promote her own preference. It's quite simple as Bondi herself must know. If any authorities happen across an illegal alien, they can call the immigration authorities who take over from there. What's so difficult to understand or question here?
And it doesn't have to be known now, in Dec. '11, what the legal framework would be between States if the EPA were shut down. That law can be passed when she's President. I don't understand why you picked on these points unless it's because you couldn't find anything else she said to pick on and you have your own preference.
People should realize that besides being a true and consistent conservative and unabashed patriot, and born leader, she is the only candidate who we KNOW will repeal the detested Obamacare. And I know that if that is not accomplished, America as we know it is doomed.