The American Spectator

Grzmlyk| 11.17.11 @ 3:40PM

In other words, we're screwed.

That's ok, though: If you're a liberal, you will be convinced till the end of time that Iran isn't even engaged in pursuing nuclear arms (the whole liberal romance with "noble savages" and all that). And if a nuke happens to explode in Israel or the U.S., well, for the majority of liberals, that will only prove just how evil the conniving Dick Cheney is.

The libertarians, of course, are wondering why Iran doesn't get it done faster. They dream nightly of a mushroom cloud over Israel. Unfortunately for them, should that occur, most of them will lose about half their slogans along with half their reason for getting up in the morning, but at least in the short term they'll celebrate like there's no tomorrow -- and they'll always have the Fed to rail against.

And some liberals will reach out to the libertarians in a touching show of solidarity: "That'll show them Jews," they'll say in unison. What's disheartening for me is how many American Jews will be uttering those words.

Iran's nuclear arsenal is a fait accompli. The best we can hope for is that their blackmail demands won't be too great and, of course, we can always hope that, wherever the bomb hits, we won't be there.

On second thought, I'm sure if we all hold hands and wish REALLY hard, and show those nices mullahs how CARING we are and how happy our elites will be to live under Sharia Law, they might spare the liberal enclaves and simply make us convert. Might be worth it to see Jeanine Garofalo in a Hijab after her, uh, surgery.

Then again, with America sinking below the waves as a power of any kind, does it really matter what happens? We're out of gas. Literally. Our happy suicide is almost complete. Let Islam and China fight it out for hegemony over the 21st century world.

Since we've chosen serfdom, does anybody really care who our masters are?

WJ| 11.17.11 @ 4:24PM

WTF does serfdom in the USA have to do with a possibly nuclear armed Iran? Are you seriously stating that a nuclear armed Iran is going to enslave us? Your credibilty goes down the toilet with such nonsense.

Our serfdom is and will be entirely home grown. It started under Bush and has accelerated with Obama.

Quit worrying about the bogeyman overseas when we have plenty of them here.

Grzmlyk| 11.17.11 @ 4:33PM

Because a nuclear armed Iran can and will blackmail us and what's left of the EU. We will lie supine before them - and so, with respect to foreign policy, we will subjects to the powers that be, whether it's China or Islam.

And, incidentally, our serfdom hardly started under Bush; your credibility - such as it is - goes down the toilet with such n0nsense. Our serfdom began in under FDR, but was kicked into high gear with the Great Society of LBJ.

As far as Bush advancing the ball for serfdom, yes, he did, but then again he did nothing that Democrats wouldn't have done far more profligately had they been in office from 2000--2008. The goal of the Democrat party is, after all, to have every person working for the state.

Grzmlyk| 11.17.11 @ 4:48PM

I would also point out that Sharia is making inroads in the US, and the goal of fundamental Islam, is, of course, to conquer all infidel lands. Since liberals, in their ultimate vanity, are courting Muslims as the new, chic "protected group" (there's that noble savage fetish at play), they won't be happy until Muslims have gained far more political power in this country than they have already amassed. You have noticed that their influence has increased since 09/11, haven't you?

Islam has begun to encroach upon constitutional law in the U.S., and that will only accelerate as immigration increases - you may want to look at what's happening demographically in Europe, because that's our future as well.

Thus one doesn't have to take too great a flight of fancy to surmise that, once the economic back of this country is broken - and it already is broken - in 50 years or so, Islam will have encroached much further in the US than today's complacent, preening elites think is possible. And, given the rush of our culture to commit suicide, I have no doubt that there will be an endless supply of liberals lining up at the local mosque to prove just how completely they embrace diversity.

The fools won't realize until too late that fundamental Islam doesn't mess around. Just like they didn't realize until too late that Keynesianism is snake oil - indeed, they STILL don't realize it.

As I say, when you're a serf, does it really matter who your master is? A totalitarian kleptocracy like we are currently institutionalizing, or a burgeoning China or an expanding Caliphate?

Red Phillips| 11.18.11 @ 9:00AM

"the goal of fundamental Islam, is, of course, to conquer all infidel lands."

Even if that is true, how do you think they are going to do that? We could easily repel any Islamic military invasion with a typical Fall Saturday allotment of deer hunters. (I am consistently amazed and offended at what little faith interventionist alarmists have in their fellow Americans, as if we are all going to lie down and allow the country to be invaded.)

You have a very fertile imagination. You should write science fiction.

The only way Islam is going to make inroads in America is through demographics and the democratic process, which is why terrorism on our shores has always been immigration problem, not a military problem. Don’t allow people from high risk countries or high risk groups to immigrate here and don’t make their kids born here automatic citizens. (A misreading of the Constitution anyway.) Problem solved without having to drop any bombs on anyone.

Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 6:23PM

GWB also kept the Islamic horde busy counting virgins for 8 years.
Something Prince Bambo only does one Helllfire at a time.

Occam's Tool| 11.18.11 @ 1:06AM

EMP, WJ.

It took two nukes for Japan to bow. How many would it take for us to go down?

Of course, everyone talks about how well protected the sites are against bunker-busters. I, of course, do not attack where my enemy is strong, but where he is weak.

We should destroy Iran's sources of water purification and treatment, and her electrical grid. She will kneel quickly when that is done. I care not aboout her people or their welfare.

Red Phillips| 11.18.11 @ 8:47AM

"I care not about her people or their welfare."

But people who want to end foreign aid or assume a policy of neutrality are raging anti-Semites. You're too much for words Occam.

crazy| 11.17.11 @ 3:51PM

As painful as it may be to recognize, nations operate in their own perceived self interest. Stopping a nation from developing a new weapon (nuclear or otherwise) by force is unrealistic unless you're prepared to invade and conquer that nation. Surgical or sustained strikes on known or suspected weapon development facilities may delay deployment but can not prevent continued development. Containing Iran as the USSR was contained is a debatable proposition but increasingly is the only realistic option. The price of developing nukes wasn't high enough to stop Iran but the price for using them or threatening their use must be made prohibitively high or there will be nothing to stop the mullahs from pursuing a global caliphate by force.

Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 6:26PM

OK
I'm ready to invade and conquer Iran.
Or dedicate the Islamic Republic of Iran Memorial Testing Range.

Jack in Wi| 11.17.11 @ 4:01PM

More nonsense from the old neocon hack Cliff May. Iran gave up it's nuclear weapons program program in 2003. That has been confirmed by our all our combined intelligence services in the NIE [ National Intelligence Estmate ] of 2007,reconfirmed in 20011. The Estimates were put out in a revolt of all our intelligence services to stop Cheney and the neocons from lying and manipulating us into another war with Iran like they did with Iraq, using their intelligence. They wanted it made clear that they were not going to stand for that again. Well it worked and Iran was not attacked.

It is long since time to send an ambassador to Iran and negotiate all our outstanding differences. The Iranians have been offering to do that since 2003. We made peace with Mao's and he murdered a hunded million people and they still have many nuclear weapons pointed at us. We had one of the greatest mass murderers in history Stalin as our bossum ally. He even helped Hitler in starting WW2.

There is a huge debate going on in Isreal right now about bombing Iran. Meir Dagan, and Ephraim Halevey former heads of the Mossad are against it and call it stupid. They have been joined by Yuval Diskin the former head of the Shin Bet and other key members of the Israeli military and intelligence services. Why the hell can't we have an open and forthright discussion in this country bedore we jump off the cliff again?

Kingofthenet| 11.17.11 @ 4:07PM

Eureka! I got the solution! Obama needs to call Benjamin Netanyahu and say, Ben I need a Peace Deal NOW between the Palestinians, I don't care HOW it gets done, just get it done. In return I am going to authorize a MASSIVE US Air Strike against Iran with the goal of NOT ONLY removing their nuclear weapons capacity but Regime change. I than see the Congress changing the Constitution to allow Obama a third term, and ANOTHER shared Nobel Peace Prize with Ben.

WJ| 11.17.11 @ 4:27PM

You said it all. Cliff May , a tired old neocon hack who tossed away his believability after Iraq is back, expecting people to believe his foolishness.

May, and writers like him are why I never read the National Review anymore.

anon| 11.17.11 @ 4:49PM

Is Iran a threat to Israel? Yes. A threat to the US? No. Why not let Israel handle it? But however they decide does not mean we endorse it and will fight their wars for them.

c.j. acworth| 11.17.11 @ 5:08PM

I wonder if things haven't gone so far that we can't stop Iran from getting a bomb. But won't there be a test shot first? Can we wait until they actually test one to take action? If we wait and they test, will that give us a better standing to take action, since then their possession of a bomb will be incontrovertable? Of course if we wait and they decide to test it in New York or L.A......

B. Hill| 11.17.11 @ 5:32PM

If Obama is re-elected, not only will Israel get allot worse, but everything we have ever known America will get allot worse.

conservative bob| 11.17.11 @ 6:09PM

We have been unwilling and unable to effect their aspirations.
At every opportunity their leadership says to anyone who will listen that they intend to wipe us and our allies out.
We have been at war with Iran since Jimmah was president.
We (Jimmah) crated this monster and we will live to see it go get nukes and use them.
This is a country which, our military leadership has reported ton congress testimony is/was actively killing our service personnel in Iraq and other places around the world. Our response has been hand wringing because we are so concerned about the Arab street. Our sanctions have done nothing but allow spineless Europeans and our government to thump their chest and claim to have done something.
I believe the Arab Street understands one thing and one thing only. Brute force.
We are watching the 'Arab Spring' deliver to power across the entire Middle East governments that are more radical and hostile to our interests.
Who anywhere believes that we or our European friends will be willing or able to join in thwarting the ambitions of a Nuclear Iran any more effectively than we have acted to prevent them getting these weapons? Hint recall the cold war, where they did all they could to appease the USSR.
Western Civilization and Islam are on a collision course and to date the west is not winning. At some point we will either find the will to defend ourselves or perish.
We are already in a shooting war with Iran; just wait to see how malleable they are with Nukes. It is my firm belief that they will get them and they will use them and as we consider our response you will read the exact same hand wringing weakness in an effort to temper our response. “It was only one city; we surely do not want to lose the Arab street. We should try all diplomatic efforts first.”

Occam's Tool| 11.18.11 @ 1:07AM

I seem to recall Iran committed an act of illegal warfare that they have never been punished for....

Reid, you are fairly useless.

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Solo| 11.18.11 @ 8:39AM

I suspect that there is little we can do at this juncture to prevent Iran from getting the bomb.

They've had years to work on this project and the benefit of our having displayed our most advanced weapons for their review and consideration. In short: Those nuclear production sites are dug in like ticks on a hound.
We could seriously disrupt their progress, but, in the end, we won't be able to stop it short of nuking them ourselves.

What Iran really wants is the same thing Saddam wanted: To be the regional Hegemon and control the flow of oil from the Middle East.

Iran has threatened to disrupt the Middle East oil supply should we or Israel attack them. Interesting (and illustrative) that this threat is the first rabbit they pull from the hat. I think it telegraphs where they think the real power lies in this chess match.
There is only one viable alternative to this apparent CheckMate: We must remove their source of power by increasing the world oil production enough as to render Middle East oil supplies irrelevant.

While Iran labors in its version of a Manhattan Project, we should, in turn, pursue our own new "Manhattan Project" geared toward the urgent, all-out effort to bring as much energy production on line as we possibly can.

The Russians have been doing just that. They are, in fact, net oil exporters. Is it any wonder then that they are reluctant to help us rein in Iran's ambitions? After all, if Iran chokes off oil supply, thus raising prices, the Russians will be rolling in cash through these higher prices--all the better to re-animate the former glory of the Soviet Empire, this time under Putin.

Just about all the other players in this sick stage production are pursuing their own long term interests and no holds barred.
We, on the other hand, can't even water our crops in the Western United States because of a damned two-inch long fish living in the streams.

The first battle we need to fight in this particular war is right here on our own soil. We have to get serious about removing the obstacles to our own preservation as a sovereign nation.

In the meantime, should Iran demonstrate their nuclear capability, we should put them on notice that any attack against America or her allies with said nuclear weapon shall be considered an act of war against the Unites States and we will promptly reduce the sands of Iran to beaded glass.

Then we'll have to wait and see how "hot-to-trot" they are for the return of "The 12th Imam". My guess is that, what they're "hot-to-trot" for is wealth and power.

I pray I'm right on this or...we're in for some really "interesting" times ahead.

Ken (Old Texican)| 11.18.11 @ 10:10AM

cj Acworth above...
tickled the honest reality. I will take a "stab" at stabbing the reality.
Fact: Iran won't know if their "bomb" works until they test it.
The day they test it..and if it goes boom...we load up the B2s and bomb them into the stone-age.

...uh...we make that fact extremely clear to them before-hand.
Folks, for a lot of reasons this might be the most dangerous year in American history.

Andy| 11.20.11 @ 10:46PM

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