I was seriously bothered the other day by the booing at the
debate when the moderator asked Herman Cain -- firmly but not
nastily -- about the sexual harassment allegations. Actually, I am
always disturbed by audience booing, or any audience outbursts, at
debates. I think debate organizers should announce that anybody who
cheers, boos, or even ostentatiously applauds, will be escorted
from the arena -- and then should follow through.
But the booing at this question was particularly disturbing. I
have written that I believe Herman Cain's denials. But really, what
self-respecting journalist would FAIL to ask a single question
about the biggest news story of the week?
Anyway, Mona Charen, as solid a conservative as there is,
explains it all far better than I can. Please read her column.
We conservatives can do better than our performance so far.
We are grasping at straws. We were given a crap slate of
candidates and we are picking through them one by one trying to
find the least awful one. I am so mad right now. Given the state of
the country, it's criminal that better people didn't step
forward.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 1:08PM
Why should they when they have to deal with morons like you that
believe any damn thing the MSM hands them, has not a single brain
cell to distinguish between truth and a lie, overlooks the obvious,
and rushes to judgement before all the FACTS are out. It is
criminal that you have been given citizenship in the greatest and
freest nation in the world. What do you know about anything?
You are mad all right.
Quin| 11.11.11 @ 3:00PM
Simon, you are just a nasty piece of work. For the record, I
never rushed to judgment on Cain. The entire point of everything I
have written -- go check it out, if you can actually make sense of
the words on the page -- is to warn AGAINST rushes to judgment.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 4:23PM
I was not replying to you..but rather Aruges, unless you are
posting under that name.
I never said you rushed to judgement. In fact, I think what you
do is deliberate, well thought out, and calculated.
As far as nasty, Quin, I am just another blogger out here with
some strong opinions and when I see untruth, manipulation, shoddy
thinking and argument, I point it out. At the end of the day maybe
someone learns something or says, you know that is a good point.
Others, probably just ignore me and move on to what ever they are
doing.
You are a bit different. You are here everyday and present
yourself as a opinion journalist and as a leader in the
conservative movement. With that comes a lot more power, influence,
AND responsibility. The latter I am not sure you fully
understand.
It is you that have to be brought to task when you write
articles that either do not serve the cause for conservativism, are
innaccurate, not researched, create unnecessary divisiveness, and
are just plain wrong analysis.
It is you not me that can do a lot of damage, nasty damage, if
you are not careful with your words. It is not your reputation I am
talkng about. It is the nation's survivability as a free Republic
that is at stake here.
If we do not get our shit together as a party, and a
conservative movement, and as Americans, we are going to lose it.
The last thing we want to do is undermine our own or be played by
our enemies so we can sound so "objective," reasonable, and one of
those approved good Republicans. Nor should we be thinking about
our careers and manuevering to create a fan base or kudos from our
pals in our profession or the boys in the beltway. Nor taking cheap
shots so we can get attention to our articles and score the most
hits and comments.
So, if you have a problem with something I specifically wrote
then fine address it with me and I will respond.
Mimi| 11.11.11 @ 6:44PM
Quin....check out Anne Coulters article on the Chicago MOB...It
was on Human Events site yesterday!
Bumr50| 11.11.11 @ 12:18PM
Way to sneer down on the people, Quin.
We all know it's a hit job, and we're tired of it.
Why shouldn't the people express their outrage? Would you have
them write strongly worded letters? Or perhaps cynical articles
deriding the "lack of intellectual maturity"?
Thou dost protest too much.
Herman Cain is indeed the people's choice, and it's pretty
apparent what you think of their opinion.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 11.11.11 @ 3:00PM
You're right.
There is no evidence and no proof.
If Cain was a woman and men had come forward it would be laughed
off.
If anyone is a victim here it's the public who has to endure
this never ending nonsense.
somnolence| 11.11.11 @ 12:32PM
Sorry, Mona. Bill Kurtis put an end to this nonsense the other
day with his synopsis about about Ms. Bialek. The Free Press has
also connected the dots on the Axelrod angle. Mona, your article
rings shallow, and is in fact, hopelessly outdated since Clinton,
indeed, set the precedent for a lot of the nonchalant attitude that
is now prevalent. Cain has 2 words in his favor(and a lawyer who
got Kobe Bryant off the hook): PROVE IT!
Interested Conservative| 11.11.11 @ 2:46PM
Correct about Bill Kurtis - a very, VERY interesting view for
him to share. It gets a lot of play here in Chicago on talk radio,
and why am I not surprised it's not picked up nationally?
John| 11.11.11 @ 12:39PM
Mona Charen is right, that Herman Cain is the GOP version of
Bill Clinton all over. Cain is lying and needs to tell us the
truth. Otherwise, unlike Clinton, he may wind up in prison, instead
of the WH. You can run but you cannot hide, Herman.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 1:03PM
Niether can you, troll. The people are waking up to your smears,
lies, and propaganda. It is you that needs to tell the truth.
solidground| 11.11.11 @ 12:41PM
Well, we should first of all be clear that the dog and pony
shows being attended by the GOP candidates are not "debates." They
are sound bite/gotcha charades and opportunities for hostile
moderators to attack the candidates. Why and how these circus
events are put together escapes me. But they do serious damage to
the GOP in terms of providing endless sniping points for the
Plantation Party and the late-night talk show jerko hosts.
GB| 11.11.11 @ 12:42PM
"what self-respecting journalist would FAIL to ask a single
question about the biggest news story of the week." All of them
when the person involved was a liberal democrat, Bill Clinton,
Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, this is why there were boos.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 12:59PM
GB, excellent observation.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 12:57PM
Look these are not trial or court rooms, they are public debates
meant for the consumption of the public. These are not inquisitions
nor are they faux journalist and talking head events for their
agendas and amusement. People want to react, then they should, and
if they do not like what is going on they SHOULD say so and loud
and clear. This is a beautiful example of what it means to be an
American.
What self respecting journalist? Guess what? There are none.
That is the point. You did not get it. The press, journalist and
the MSM have lost so much credibility and ARE so corrupt that the
average voter will no longer tolerate their monkey business and
their manipulation.
That, in of itself, and the reaction was priceless. Made me proud
to be an America!
You have written a lot of things. Judging by the way you attract
more and more liberal trolls and find them agreeing with you, your
articles are degenerating ever day.
You believe Hermann Cain? If you did you would not be writing
what you have but focusing on the lying and smearing being done not
the so-called right of a MSM journalist to keep a smear story
alive.
Margie| 11.11.11 @ 4:19PM
Right on, Simon.
Quin says YOU'RE a nasty piece of work? He's lost ALL read it` ALL
credibility.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 5:07PM
Thanks, Margie.
somnolence| 11.11.11 @ 12:58PM
Mona, the days of playing nice and going along when one of our
GOP candidates is singled out with invalid charges is over. If we
borrowed a game plan from the liberal Dem playbook so be it. Did
you know there are still rumors that a famous Hollywood actress was
impregnated by Ronald Reagan and had an abortion? Or that like
Nelson Rockefeller, the Gipper was divorced? Unless there is
something worse than flirting, or he said she said this current
farce is going down in flames. Once again, my prediction: Cain
won't finish worst than 3rd in the primaries at any rate. So he
most certainly will be a force at the Convention next summer with
his delegates. The poor soul who claims Herman might end up in
prison does have a vivid imagination, I'll give him that. But
dammit, PROVE IT! You can't.
Sparky| 11.11.11 @ 1:18PM
I'm not a Cain supporter, but I found the booing
unobjectionable. It was supposed to be a debate on economic issues.
The allegations against Cain have been hashed and rehashed ad
nauseum. Cain has responded to them (ineptly, perhaps) on multiple
occasions. Asking Cain about them yet again during the debate
served no useful purpose; it was the wrong time and the wrong place
for such a question.
1ConservativeUSA| 11.11.11 @ 1:20PM
I agree, as conservatives, we must do better and we should
embrace hard debate questions and relevant issues.
Regarding the Cain matter, though, it seems that Bartiromo's
question was meant to pile on to the liberal media's capricious
attacks.
Mr. Cain has made himself very available and has been very
candid regarding the allegations against him. He has taken valuable
time, energy and money away from his campaign in order to defend
himself in the kangaroo court of public opinion.
This is not to say that charges of sexual harrassment are to be
taken lightly, but an objective person must admit that the timing,
substance and source of the accusers are very suspect.
As conservatives, we understand the despicable practices of the
left and of their media. We have heard the disgusting things said
about Mr. Cain by people who not only lack the character and
gravitas of Mr. Cain, but who have attempted to assassinate this
man, with no way of knowing what really happened.
It has been a disgusting display by the left and the liberal
double standard continues to be fought for. Real Americans have
expressed valid concerns and opposition to Barack Obama's policies,
only to be labeled racists, Nazis, tea baggers (an advertant sexual
slur) and killers of children, women and the elderly. This is done
not only by Obama's propagandist media, but by Obama himself.
So yes, conservatives must do better to articulate the real
problems facing this nation. I believe our candidiates are tyring
to do just that, and it is what we hope to see when we tune into
the debates on the various liberal TV stations. Unfortunately, the
moderators often seek to steer the debate using false choice
questions, and divisive and obfuscatory tactics.
John| 11.11.11 @ 1:22PM
Herman Cain is the Ross Perot, who eventually will sabotage the
GOP momentum in 2012. Cain was never elected, and now he wants to
be the POTUS. Are you kidding me? Cain cannot win. He is
politically dead.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 1:26PM
And you are brain dead, go away troll.
Mimi| 11.11.11 @ 6:55PM
John ....the DEM smear is over...It backfired. Anne Coulter did
the LEG work beating out the MSM. They tried to pull a MASSACRE on
Herman and thanks for Providence who is guarding ole Herman they
failed! The parties OVER!! The Dems look like FOOLS!!!
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 1:24PM
Mona gets it right on conservative wagon circling?
Sometimes, Quin, I have to pinch myself when I read your columns to
see if I am dreaming. Is this for real runs through my mind.
So, we are wrong to defend our candidates, our party, and our
vision for America against lies, smears, distortions, rumors and
inuendo?
So, from your point of view, we are just like the dems with
Clinton? Really? That is odd because I see a gigantic difference
you have seemed to overlook.
The dems had a MSM attempting to help them coverup ACTUAL sexual
harrasment, not alledged accusations with no evidence. The accusers
were attacked mercilessly and discredited.
These accusers have been protected and there backgrounds
essentially unquestioned. They also want to remain anonymous and
one of them refuses to speak now that the gag rule has been waived
by the NRA.
This guy is willing to take a lie detector test.
The other guy was dragged and fought kicking and screaming before a
judge and perjured himself.
Yeah, it is exactly the same.
JeffC| 11.11.11 @ 1:52PM
that self respecting journalist tried to tie Cain's "Queen
Nancy" remark into "his problems with women" ... yeah, thats what
self respecting journalists do ...
Quinn ... maybe you haven't realized it but many here don't even
consider you a self respecting journalist ... just another Romney
hack ...
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 2:01PM
Superb point and observation!
Quin| 11.11.11 @ 3:03PM
Romney hack? I've opposed Romney every step of the way, with
multiple columns and blog posts, for five solid years now. The
hacks are those who make allegations without having a clue what
they are talking about.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 3:31PM
Then you are stranger then we thought. Maybe you should consider
switching party. There is no one left standing that you have not
tried to undercut.
Speaking of hacks, then why do you support these hacks making
allegations against Cain without any evidence and not knowing what
they are talking about?
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 2:00PM
The Perry Camp Is Getting Payback For Cain's Playing The Race
Card On The NiggerHead Rock Issue.
What Goes Around Comes Around.
"Meanwhile, pollster Chris Wilson — who said he polled for the
National Restaurant Association during Cain’s tenure, and whose
firm has more recently done work for an outside super PAC
supporting Perry — told Oklahoma radio station KTOK that he had
witnessed harassment by Cain toward a very low-level staffer who
was maybe two years out of college."
Momma Clint| 11.11.11 @ 2:06PM
You were caught DUI and filmed being arrested for it. I saw it
on youtube!
What are you doing out here? You are suppose to be at your AA
meeting. Then afterwards you are expected at the Ron Paul worship
services at the St. Ron Paul De Texas cathedral. Get going!
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 2:12PM
Get This Israel Firster RINO-CINO Poseur Punk Poster.
"The vocal leader of Tea Party Nation has a message for Herman
Cain: leave the Republican presidential race.
"Herman Cain has got to go," Judson Phillips wrote Wednesday in
a post on his group's website.
"I will repeat what I have said earlier. I like Herman Cain. Of
all of the candidates, he would probably be my first choice to sit
down and have a pizza with. But to quote the famous line from 'The
Godfather,' it's not personal, it's business."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 2:17PM
The Tea Party's Mr. Phillips points out that the
Washington-based website Politico gave the Cain camp ten days to
respond before the story was published and still they struggled to
handle the news.
"What the hell were they doing?" he said, adding, “Ten days in,
the Cain campaign is still stumbling around like newly castrated
cattle.”
The final straw, he said, was when Mark Block, Cain’s campaign
manager, claimed that the son of one of the accusers, Karen
Kraushaar, worked at Politico. But the accusation ended up being
false.
"If Cain cannot run his own campaign, how is he going to run the
country?” Mr. Phillips said. “A few days ago, I would have been
willing to accept Cain as the nominee. Cain was not my first choice
but I could have easily supported him.To which he added, “No
longer.”
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Wayne| 11.11.11 @ 2:38PM
Who the hell cares about Mr. Phillips?
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 3:38PM
Who the hell cares about Clint?
Come to think of it. I have not seen one post of Clint's that
actually states what Clint thinks about anything; it is just quotes
from other hacks and assorted people.
Maybe Clint does not really exist. But the again, we know he has
a mother. Hmmm? Maybe, we should ask her what exactly went wrong
with the boy and why the anti-semitism and his fondness for long
adjective name calling that always starts with Israel firster.
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 5:05PM
Uh Oh !
PropagandaGirl Israel Firster Simone Plays Her Dog Eared
Anti-Semite Card On Tea Party Clint.
I Think That You're An Industrial Strength Asshole, Simone
Pimpler.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Simone's Dress.
Ron Paul| 11.11.11 @ 5:20PM
Clint,
I appreciate your enthusiasm that you have shown during my
campaign for Presidency.
This is why it is so difficult to break this news to you.
I am sorry Clint, but you are terminated as one of my
supporters, as of 11.11.11, 6 pm, EST. Please cease and desist from
blogging on TAS and any other web site.
It pains me to do this but my campaign managers have informed me
that we are losing support and donations by the thousands each day
due to your controversial posts.
Your mother has informed me that you have a little drinking
problem and are attending AA meetings. That is wonderful and good
luck in your recovery. I wish you well. I think it best for both of
us if you focused your time right now on that recovery.
Sincerely,
Ron Paul
Herman | 11.11.11 @ 6:03PM
Even though Mrs. Cain is voting for Ron Paul, I will probably
still vote for Me , if Mrs.Cain doesn't kill me first.
Lesson #1: Don't got caught shaggin' the employees.
I thought the boos were for the question being asked - as in "we
need to have proof before asking this question" or "we are tired of
this crap, let's get to the issues that Obama doesn't want
discussed and that the media is doing everything it can to redirect
our attention (the same media who said it was okay for Clinton to
do worse that what Cain is accused of).
Kingofthenet| 11.11.11 @ 2:13PM
I make fun of that Junkie Limbaugh NOT because he liked to pop
Percecets like Pez, but because he IS a hypocrite. He is a man who
NEVER gives anyone else a break on 'Moral' failings, don't expect
to get a pass for yourself. There also is a difference between
Lewinsky and Cain's accusers, Monica was there COMPLETELY
consentual, where Cain apperently uses his position to extort.
Momma Clint| 11.11.11 @ 3:13PM
Maybe YOU could give Rush a break for his moral failing and
addiction to a prescription drug he got hooked on because of a
serious injury he obtained to kill the pain. Calling him a junkie
is a bit of a stretch. Rush was not concerned about Clinton's
so-called moral failings but rather his lying to a grand jury under
oath and using his status and power as President to obtain sexual
favors from an intern in the WH. In the case of Monica, she was
indeed a consensual partner but she was also making time with a
married man and her employer. She also had evidence of his
innapropriate relationship with her where Cain's accuser have
nothing. Billy had a longer string of accusers who did in fact
claim that he used his power to get access to them testified by his
own state police officers. These women stated it was not
consensual. In fact, one of them was one of his WH staff who
recently said she WOULD vote for Cain, she likes him.
So, if you are going to troll here you really have to do better
than this.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 3:20PM
BTW, Even though I am Clint's momma, we do not share the same
political views. Not sure what went wrong with that boy but he
means well. I just wish he would lay off the sauce, I am tired of
having to bail him out of jail. When he is not in jail for DUI he
is in my basement blogging on that darn, TAS website.
Momma Clint| 11.11.11 @ 3:21PM
Thought I would use that Simon Templar's moniker. I hear he is a
real cute guy and very smart....
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 5:09PM
Apparently, Simone Wants To F*#k Herself Now.
You Israel Firsters Talk Queer.
Ron Paul| 11.11.11 @ 5:23PM
Clint, you should not talk about your mother that way, shame on
you, that is no way a libertarian should ever speak, especially of
the woman that bore you.
Clint | 11.11.11 @ 6:12PM
Actually, You Bore Us Israel Firster Poseur Punk Poster.
So far, "The Tea Party Rebellon Is Here" with Paul as the
spearhead, is an abysmal failure according to the polls, lol. You
Paulbots can flood the gates when it is straw poll time, but when
the nitty gritty surfaces you fall short. The Cain Train is indeed
here. Live with it.
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 5:11PM
" Top Tier: Ron Paul Polls Third In Three Early Voting
States.
GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is polling in third in the
key early voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina,
according to a new CNN/Time poll released yesterday."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Wayne| 11.11.11 @ 2:37PM
Really, I don't remember Obama getting the same type of
questions about his Ayers, Wright or Resko associations. So
Hillyer, time to join another party, because we are not going to
let the media continue to attack our conservative candidates.
Interested Conservative| 11.11.11 @ 2:54PM
Here's a question and observation. As clumsily as Mr. Cain has
handled this, has anyone observed the distinction that the
democrats very often use the powers of the state when attacking GOP
rivals, and as in this case, Mr. Cain is left releasing public
records and having his manager throw out some wildly inaccurate
gossip and accusations?
Just taking the POTUS and David Axelrod - examine the police
powers used against Joe the Plumber, the opposing senate
candidates, even back to then Mr. Obama's first run for state
office - all episodes where inside, supposedly
sealed/confidential/non-public information in public records just
happened to arrive for his political benefit.
Ann Coulter just hits the highlights.
As a curious counterpoint, I wonder if anyone has bothered to
question whether the National Restaurant Association has a
fiduciary duty to prevent, litigate, or seek the highest bidder for
a release of its files? Do they have a legal duty to pursue Ms.
Krashaauer since she has arguably broken the terms of the
agreement? Anyone even raising these points?
I generally like Mona Charen, but the column Quin refers us to
is absolutely typical of prissy conservatism, the sort of attitude
that cares more what our enemies say about us than what our friends
think of us.
Time and again the Dems and "Progressives" pull dirty tricks,
and time and again they and their tame media condemn Republicans
and conservatives for fighting fire with fire, even though our
responses are far more responsible than their attacks.
And time and again weak-kneed conservatives and Republicans go
along with the Left, worrying that we aren't being sufficiently
"nice." They compare Cain's (probably false) minor transgressions
with Clinton's rapes and demonic womanizing. Our own people fail to
apply a sense of proportion when comparing Republican peccadilloes
with those of men who leave their lovers drowning, or engage in
public sexual banter with Princess Leia.
Consider the wussy squealing by some Repubs when Cain used the
term "Princess Nancy." Good grief! Pelosi could without much
exaggeration be compared with Eva Peron, Rosa Luxembourg, and
Madame DeFarge... put together!
Let's get over it. The prevent defense is questionable in
football, and a sure failure in politics. We all know the best
defense is a strong offense not an apologetic whimper.
Last evening on Fox's show The Five, the lone Dem - Bob Beckel,
a dirty tricks guy himself - complained bitterly, tears almost
spurting from his fat eyes, of how we blame Obama for everything,
despite all the wonderful stuff The One has done to save the
economy. The others on the panel soothed his feelings, of course,
if only because they need him as a foil.
When you make a determined enemy cry, I interpret that as a sign
we are winning - that the well-justified attacks on Obama are
seeding discouragement in the ranks of the evil enemy. In politics
as in war it is better to be feared and respected than liked and
despised. Count me with Patton - the idea is not to apologize for
our cause but to make the enemy whine and cry that we are being
"too mean and nasty." Or maybe that was Conan's creed. I dunno,
Patton and Conan had a lot in common.
So anywho, no apologies for "being no better than the Dems."
Not, at least, if utilizing the truth harshly leads to victory.
RJ| 11.11.11 @ 3:06PM
Quin,
I have a different take on the booing. The topic of the debate
was the economy. When the questioners veered off their announced
topic, the audience booed because the press were violating the
debate rules. The press can raise the allegations against Mr. Cain
at any other time, but the debate was supposed to be about the
economy. It was a cheap-shot as well as the next question directed
to Romney about whether he would fire Mr. Cain if he worked for
him.
I don't think the audience has anything to be ashamed of. The
panel was out of line and the audience let them know about it. Of
course, then the spin comes about the GOP being insensitive to
harassment claims, but the root of the booing was not focused on
that.
big bob| 11.11.11 @ 3:11PM
No specifics, no formal complaints, nothing but innuendo, and we
are already treating these complaints as legitimate. How stupid and
near-sighted. Turn the situation around and contemplate what the
libs would do in the same scenario. I think we all know. Oh yeah,
we are above them, right? The house republicans have a law which
requires leaders resign in certain situations. But the dems laugh
at the other side while Rangel, Waters, and others are ignored or
slapped on the wrist, and stay in power. This aggravates me to no
end.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 3:16PM
oops.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 3:25PM
They don't call big bob, big for nothing! He has a big intellect
and is big on conservativism. Good comment.
Oldefarte| 11.11.11 @ 3:36PM
Since this is a matter of PERSONAL MORALITY, it is my opinion
that until indisputable/demonstatable facts are placed before the
public, speculation should be avoided. This Cain situation is to
date a HE SAID/SHE SAID one totally and same is totally irrelivant
to his possible professional capabilities as a presidential
candidate. If personal immorality issues disqualified all
politicians, Europe would have absolutely no governmental leaders
[and some could argue that they already do not have, and never have
had, any]. Let the facts evolve if any. Available legal documents
[barring confessions/testamony of acts committed] will not reveal
the truth, but could be an indication of same. In the cases of
Clinton, the Kennedys etc; an over-abundance of evidence available
should lead reasonable people to arrive at rational decisions as to
their immoral conducts. In Cain's case, not enough is known, and
if/until same becomes evident, speculation and/or questioning by
MSM borders on slander and should be treated [and rightfully boo'd]
as such!!!!!!!
albert constantine jr.| 11.11.11 @ 3:36PM
I'm going to have to go with the audience reaction on this one.
I don't think they were booing the fact that a question about
character was asked, I think they were booing the selective failure
by the media to ask Obama such questions in 2008, or Clinton before
1998 (and then, only reluctantly). Perhaps Cain is guilty of many
bad things and like all candidates for high office should be asked,
and his answers dissected. Thus far, though, the absence of
credible evidence suggests that perhaps the audience has higher
standards than the press asking questions.
OLDRAY| 11.11.11 @ 4:53PM
It is really quite simple AND kind of wonderful. The
"moderators" tried to ambush Cain and the audience saw thru tyhis
indecent action and showed their disgust. .
OLDRAY| 11.11.11 @ 4:58PM
Perhaps some of the booing should have been saved for Mr
Hillyer. He certainly has earned it.
sjccoach| 11.11.11 @ 4:59PM
They are not self respecting journalists. They are the
propaganda arm of the Democrat party and as such deserved to be
booed.
I disagree, mostly on the grounds that Mona totally misreads
conservatives, and projects liberal motives onto us. Over at NRO, I
commented:
Ms Charen wrote: "But liberal hypocrisy, however malodorous,
shouldn’t justify our own. The booing, and some of the commentary
among conservatives, can be interpreted to mean not only that we
disbelieve the accusations, but that they wouldn’t trouble us even
if they were true."
That's a very uncharitable interpretation, and it fingers you as a
liberal. Why, because LIBERALS are the ones who project their
foibles and character problems onto Conservatives.
If you do your research as a journalist, you will find plenty of
reasons to believe that the only two accusers known to actually
exist have been found to be gold-digging serial accusers, one of
whom is chuckled about in the halls of CBS for her past.
Character DOES matter, and the boos signify that most of the
audience think that the charges are baseless and the resent the
media trying to pile on.
Clinton was protected by people who said "we know it happened, and
we don't care - attaboy!"
Cain is supported by people who believe firmly that it didn't
happen, and have reasons for that belief - they will desert en
masse if he's lying.
On the other hand - random accusations against other campaigns do
not dignify the Cain campaign staff, and should cease.
Chris k| 11.12.11 @ 8:28AM
The issue is not in the media asking a question. The issue is
the media creating an issue out of anonymous allegations from
anonymous sources stating that anonymous equals evidence. The media
along with any rational person knows there is nothing there. It is
a shameless attempt to try to create a story to smear the most
popular candidate.
Teflon93| 11.12.11 @ 5:22PM
"Mona Charen, as solid a conservative as there is..."
That sentence illuminates the problem we true conservatives have
with you, Quin. Charen is a typical Beltway talking head of the
Karl Rove variety.
If you think she's a "solid conservative", I guess we know why
you get the blowback you do.
Aruges| 11.11.11 @ 12:14PM
We are grasping at straws. We were given a crap slate of candidates and we are picking through them one by one trying to find the least awful one. I am so mad right now. Given the state of the country, it's criminal that better people didn't step forward.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 1:08PM
Why should they when they have to deal with morons like you that believe any damn thing the MSM hands them, has not a single brain cell to distinguish between truth and a lie, overlooks the obvious, and rushes to judgement before all the FACTS are out. It is criminal that you have been given citizenship in the greatest and freest nation in the world. What do you know about anything?
You are mad all right.
Quin| 11.11.11 @ 3:00PM
Simon, you are just a nasty piece of work. For the record, I never rushed to judgment on Cain. The entire point of everything I have written -- go check it out, if you can actually make sense of the words on the page -- is to warn AGAINST rushes to judgment.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 4:23PM
I was not replying to you..but rather Aruges, unless you are posting under that name.
I never said you rushed to judgement. In fact, I think what you do is deliberate, well thought out, and calculated.
As far as nasty, Quin, I am just another blogger out here with some strong opinions and when I see untruth, manipulation, shoddy thinking and argument, I point it out. At the end of the day maybe someone learns something or says, you know that is a good point. Others, probably just ignore me and move on to what ever they are doing.
You are a bit different. You are here everyday and present yourself as a opinion journalist and as a leader in the conservative movement. With that comes a lot more power, influence, AND responsibility. The latter I am not sure you fully understand.
It is you that have to be brought to task when you write articles that either do not serve the cause for conservativism, are innaccurate, not researched, create unnecessary divisiveness, and are just plain wrong analysis.
It is you not me that can do a lot of damage, nasty damage, if you are not careful with your words. It is not your reputation I am talkng about. It is the nation's survivability as a free Republic that is at stake here.
If we do not get our shit together as a party, and a conservative movement, and as Americans, we are going to lose it. The last thing we want to do is undermine our own or be played by our enemies so we can sound so "objective," reasonable, and one of those approved good Republicans. Nor should we be thinking about our careers and manuevering to create a fan base or kudos from our pals in our profession or the boys in the beltway. Nor taking cheap shots so we can get attention to our articles and score the most hits and comments.
So, if you have a problem with something I specifically wrote then fine address it with me and I will respond.
Mimi| 11.11.11 @ 6:44PM
Quin....check out Anne Coulters article on the Chicago MOB...It was on Human Events site yesterday!
Bumr50| 11.11.11 @ 12:18PM
Way to sneer down on the people, Quin.
We all know it's a hit job, and we're tired of it.
Why shouldn't the people express their outrage? Would you have them write strongly worded letters? Or perhaps cynical articles deriding the "lack of intellectual maturity"?
Thou dost protest too much.
Herman Cain is indeed the people's choice, and it's pretty apparent what you think of their opinion.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 11.11.11 @ 3:00PM
You're right.
There is no evidence and no proof.
If Cain was a woman and men had come forward it would be laughed off.
If anyone is a victim here it's the public who has to endure this never ending nonsense.
somnolence| 11.11.11 @ 12:32PM
Sorry, Mona. Bill Kurtis put an end to this nonsense the other day with his synopsis about about Ms. Bialek. The Free Press has also connected the dots on the Axelrod angle. Mona, your article rings shallow, and is in fact, hopelessly outdated since Clinton, indeed, set the precedent for a lot of the nonchalant attitude that is now prevalent. Cain has 2 words in his favor(and a lawyer who got Kobe Bryant off the hook): PROVE IT!
Interested Conservative| 11.11.11 @ 2:46PM
Correct about Bill Kurtis - a very, VERY interesting view for him to share. It gets a lot of play here in Chicago on talk radio, and why am I not surprised it's not picked up nationally?
John| 11.11.11 @ 12:39PM
Mona Charen is right, that Herman Cain is the GOP version of Bill Clinton all over. Cain is lying and needs to tell us the truth. Otherwise, unlike Clinton, he may wind up in prison, instead of the WH. You can run but you cannot hide, Herman.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 1:03PM
Niether can you, troll. The people are waking up to your smears, lies, and propaganda. It is you that needs to tell the truth.
solidground| 11.11.11 @ 12:41PM
Well, we should first of all be clear that the dog and pony shows being attended by the GOP candidates are not "debates." They are sound bite/gotcha charades and opportunities for hostile moderators to attack the candidates. Why and how these circus events are put together escapes me. But they do serious damage to the GOP in terms of providing endless sniping points for the Plantation Party and the late-night talk show jerko hosts.
GB| 11.11.11 @ 12:42PM
"what self-respecting journalist would FAIL to ask a single question about the biggest news story of the week." All of them when the person involved was a liberal democrat, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, this is why there were boos.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 12:59PM
GB, excellent observation.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 12:57PM
Look these are not trial or court rooms, they are public debates meant for the consumption of the public. These are not inquisitions nor are they faux journalist and talking head events for their agendas and amusement. People want to react, then they should, and if they do not like what is going on they SHOULD say so and loud and clear. This is a beautiful example of what it means to be an American.
What self respecting journalist? Guess what? There are none. That is the point. You did not get it. The press, journalist and the MSM have lost so much credibility and ARE so corrupt that the average voter will no longer tolerate their monkey business and their manipulation.
That, in of itself, and the reaction was priceless. Made me proud to be an America!
You have written a lot of things. Judging by the way you attract more and more liberal trolls and find them agreeing with you, your articles are degenerating ever day.
You believe Hermann Cain? If you did you would not be writing what you have but focusing on the lying and smearing being done not the so-called right of a MSM journalist to keep a smear story alive.
Margie| 11.11.11 @ 4:19PM
Right on, Simon.
Quin says YOU'RE a nasty piece of work? He's lost ALL read it` ALL credibility.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 5:07PM
Thanks, Margie.
somnolence| 11.11.11 @ 12:58PM
Mona, the days of playing nice and going along when one of our GOP candidates is singled out with invalid charges is over. If we borrowed a game plan from the liberal Dem playbook so be it. Did you know there are still rumors that a famous Hollywood actress was impregnated by Ronald Reagan and had an abortion? Or that like Nelson Rockefeller, the Gipper was divorced? Unless there is something worse than flirting, or he said she said this current farce is going down in flames. Once again, my prediction: Cain won't finish worst than 3rd in the primaries at any rate. So he most certainly will be a force at the Convention next summer with his delegates. The poor soul who claims Herman might end up in prison does have a vivid imagination, I'll give him that. But dammit, PROVE IT! You can't.
Sparky| 11.11.11 @ 1:18PM
I'm not a Cain supporter, but I found the booing unobjectionable. It was supposed to be a debate on economic issues. The allegations against Cain have been hashed and rehashed ad nauseum. Cain has responded to them (ineptly, perhaps) on multiple occasions. Asking Cain about them yet again during the debate served no useful purpose; it was the wrong time and the wrong place for such a question.
1ConservativeUSA| 11.11.11 @ 1:20PM
I agree, as conservatives, we must do better and we should embrace hard debate questions and relevant issues.
Regarding the Cain matter, though, it seems that Bartiromo's question was meant to pile on to the liberal media's capricious attacks.
Mr. Cain has made himself very available and has been very candid regarding the allegations against him. He has taken valuable time, energy and money away from his campaign in order to defend himself in the kangaroo court of public opinion.
This is not to say that charges of sexual harrassment are to be taken lightly, but an objective person must admit that the timing, substance and source of the accusers are very suspect.
As conservatives, we understand the despicable practices of the left and of their media. We have heard the disgusting things said about Mr. Cain by people who not only lack the character and gravitas of Mr. Cain, but who have attempted to assassinate this man, with no way of knowing what really happened.
It has been a disgusting display by the left and the liberal double standard continues to be fought for. Real Americans have expressed valid concerns and opposition to Barack Obama's policies, only to be labeled racists, Nazis, tea baggers (an advertant sexual slur) and killers of children, women and the elderly. This is done not only by Obama's propagandist media, but by Obama himself.
So yes, conservatives must do better to articulate the real problems facing this nation. I believe our candidiates are tyring to do just that, and it is what we hope to see when we tune into the debates on the various liberal TV stations. Unfortunately, the moderators often seek to steer the debate using false choice questions, and divisive and obfuscatory tactics.
John| 11.11.11 @ 1:22PM
Herman Cain is the Ross Perot, who eventually will sabotage the GOP momentum in 2012. Cain was never elected, and now he wants to be the POTUS. Are you kidding me? Cain cannot win. He is politically dead.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 1:26PM
And you are brain dead, go away troll.
Mimi| 11.11.11 @ 6:55PM
John ....the DEM smear is over...It backfired. Anne Coulter did the LEG work beating out the MSM. They tried to pull a MASSACRE on Herman and thanks for Providence who is guarding ole Herman they failed! The parties OVER!! The Dems look like FOOLS!!!
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 1:24PM
Mona gets it right on conservative wagon circling?
Sometimes, Quin, I have to pinch myself when I read your columns to see if I am dreaming. Is this for real runs through my mind.
So, we are wrong to defend our candidates, our party, and our vision for America against lies, smears, distortions, rumors and inuendo?
So, from your point of view, we are just like the dems with Clinton? Really? That is odd because I see a gigantic difference you have seemed to overlook.
The dems had a MSM attempting to help them coverup ACTUAL sexual harrasment, not alledged accusations with no evidence. The accusers were attacked mercilessly and discredited.
These accusers have been protected and there backgrounds essentially unquestioned. They also want to remain anonymous and one of them refuses to speak now that the gag rule has been waived by the NRA.
This guy is willing to take a lie detector test.
The other guy was dragged and fought kicking and screaming before a judge and perjured himself.
Yeah, it is exactly the same.
JeffC| 11.11.11 @ 1:52PM
that self respecting journalist tried to tie Cain's "Queen Nancy" remark into "his problems with women" ... yeah, thats what self respecting journalists do ...
Quinn ... maybe you haven't realized it but many here don't even consider you a self respecting journalist ... just another Romney hack ...
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 2:01PM
Superb point and observation!
Quin| 11.11.11 @ 3:03PM
Romney hack? I've opposed Romney every step of the way, with multiple columns and blog posts, for five solid years now. The hacks are those who make allegations without having a clue what they are talking about.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 3:31PM
Then you are stranger then we thought. Maybe you should consider switching party. There is no one left standing that you have not tried to undercut.
Speaking of hacks, then why do you support these hacks making allegations against Cain without any evidence and not knowing what they are talking about?
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 2:00PM
The Perry Camp Is Getting Payback For Cain's Playing The Race Card On The NiggerHead Rock Issue.
What Goes Around Comes Around.
"Meanwhile, pollster Chris Wilson — who said he polled for the National Restaurant Association during Cain’s tenure, and whose firm has more recently done work for an outside super PAC supporting Perry — told Oklahoma radio station KTOK that he had witnessed harassment by Cain toward a very low-level staffer who was maybe two years out of college."
Momma Clint| 11.11.11 @ 2:06PM
You were caught DUI and filmed being arrested for it. I saw it on youtube!
What are you doing out here? You are suppose to be at your AA meeting. Then afterwards you are expected at the Ron Paul worship services at the St. Ron Paul De Texas cathedral. Get going!
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 2:12PM
Get This Israel Firster RINO-CINO Poseur Punk Poster.
"The vocal leader of Tea Party Nation has a message for Herman Cain: leave the Republican presidential race.
"Herman Cain has got to go," Judson Phillips wrote Wednesday in a post on his group's website.
"I will repeat what I have said earlier. I like Herman Cain. Of all of the candidates, he would probably be my first choice to sit down and have a pizza with. But to quote the famous line from 'The Godfather,' it's not personal, it's business."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 2:17PM
The Tea Party's Mr. Phillips points out that the Washington-based website Politico gave the Cain camp ten days to respond before the story was published and still they struggled to handle the news.
"What the hell were they doing?" he said, adding, “Ten days in, the Cain campaign is still stumbling around like newly castrated cattle.”
The final straw, he said, was when Mark Block, Cain’s campaign manager, claimed that the son of one of the accusers, Karen Kraushaar, worked at Politico. But the accusation ended up being false.
"If Cain cannot run his own campaign, how is he going to run the country?” Mr. Phillips said. “A few days ago, I would have been willing to accept Cain as the nominee. Cain was not my first choice but I could have easily supported him.To which he added, “No longer.”
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Wayne| 11.11.11 @ 2:38PM
Who the hell cares about Mr. Phillips?
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 3:38PM
Who the hell cares about Clint?
Come to think of it. I have not seen one post of Clint's that actually states what Clint thinks about anything; it is just quotes from other hacks and assorted people.
Maybe Clint does not really exist. But the again, we know he has a mother. Hmmm? Maybe, we should ask her what exactly went wrong with the boy and why the anti-semitism and his fondness for long adjective name calling that always starts with Israel firster.
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 5:05PM
Uh Oh !
PropagandaGirl Israel Firster Simone Plays Her Dog Eared Anti-Semite Card On Tea Party Clint.
I Think That You're An Industrial Strength Asshole, Simone Pimpler.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Simone's Dress.
Ron Paul| 11.11.11 @ 5:20PM
Clint,
I appreciate your enthusiasm that you have shown during my campaign for Presidency.
This is why it is so difficult to break this news to you.
I am sorry Clint, but you are terminated as one of my supporters, as of 11.11.11, 6 pm, EST. Please cease and desist from blogging on TAS and any other web site.
It pains me to do this but my campaign managers have informed me that we are losing support and donations by the thousands each day due to your controversial posts.
Your mother has informed me that you have a little drinking problem and are attending AA meetings. That is wonderful and good luck in your recovery. I wish you well. I think it best for both of us if you focused your time right now on that recovery.
Sincerely,
Ron Paul
Herman | 11.11.11 @ 6:03PM
Even though Mrs. Cain is voting for Ron Paul, I will probably still vote for Me , if Mrs.Cain doesn't kill me first.
Lesson #1: Don't got caught shaggin' the employees.
Vote For Me.
http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/.....1/whoa.jpg
David W| 11.11.11 @ 2:01PM
I thought the boos were for the question being asked - as in "we need to have proof before asking this question" or "we are tired of this crap, let's get to the issues that Obama doesn't want discussed and that the media is doing everything it can to redirect our attention (the same media who said it was okay for Clinton to do worse that what Cain is accused of).
Kingofthenet| 11.11.11 @ 2:13PM
I make fun of that Junkie Limbaugh NOT because he liked to pop Percecets like Pez, but because he IS a hypocrite. He is a man who NEVER gives anyone else a break on 'Moral' failings, don't expect to get a pass for yourself. There also is a difference between Lewinsky and Cain's accusers, Monica was there COMPLETELY consentual, where Cain apperently uses his position to extort.
Momma Clint| 11.11.11 @ 3:13PM
Maybe YOU could give Rush a break for his moral failing and addiction to a prescription drug he got hooked on because of a serious injury he obtained to kill the pain. Calling him a junkie is a bit of a stretch. Rush was not concerned about Clinton's so-called moral failings but rather his lying to a grand jury under oath and using his status and power as President to obtain sexual favors from an intern in the WH. In the case of Monica, she was indeed a consensual partner but she was also making time with a married man and her employer. She also had evidence of his innapropriate relationship with her where Cain's accuser have nothing. Billy had a longer string of accusers who did in fact claim that he used his power to get access to them testified by his own state police officers. These women stated it was not consensual. In fact, one of them was one of his WH staff who recently said she WOULD vote for Cain, she likes him.
So, if you are going to troll here you really have to do better than this.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 3:20PM
BTW, Even though I am Clint's momma, we do not share the same political views. Not sure what went wrong with that boy but he means well. I just wish he would lay off the sauce, I am tired of having to bail him out of jail. When he is not in jail for DUI he is in my basement blogging on that darn, TAS website.
Momma Clint| 11.11.11 @ 3:21PM
Thought I would use that Simon Templar's moniker. I hear he is a real cute guy and very smart....
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 5:09PM
Apparently, Simone Wants To F*#k Herself Now.
You Israel Firsters Talk Queer.
Ron Paul| 11.11.11 @ 5:23PM
Clint, you should not talk about your mother that way, shame on you, that is no way a libertarian should ever speak, especially of the woman that bore you.
Clint | 11.11.11 @ 6:12PM
Actually, You Bore Us Israel Firster Poseur Punk Poster.
Mama Firster
http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/2/2_2.jpg
somnolence| 11.11.11 @ 2:29PM
So far, "The Tea Party Rebellon Is Here" with Paul as the spearhead, is an abysmal failure according to the polls, lol. You Paulbots can flood the gates when it is straw poll time, but when the nitty gritty surfaces you fall short. The Cain Train is indeed here. Live with it.
Clint| 11.11.11 @ 5:11PM
" Top Tier: Ron Paul Polls Third In Three Early Voting States.
GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is polling in third in the key early voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, according to a new CNN/Time poll released yesterday."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Wayne| 11.11.11 @ 2:37PM
Really, I don't remember Obama getting the same type of questions about his Ayers, Wright or Resko associations. So Hillyer, time to join another party, because we are not going to let the media continue to attack our conservative candidates.
Interested Conservative| 11.11.11 @ 2:54PM
Here's a question and observation. As clumsily as Mr. Cain has handled this, has anyone observed the distinction that the democrats very often use the powers of the state when attacking GOP rivals, and as in this case, Mr. Cain is left releasing public records and having his manager throw out some wildly inaccurate gossip and accusations?
Just taking the POTUS and David Axelrod - examine the police powers used against Joe the Plumber, the opposing senate candidates, even back to then Mr. Obama's first run for state office - all episodes where inside, supposedly sealed/confidential/non-public information in public records just happened to arrive for his political benefit.
Ann Coulter just hits the highlights.
As a curious counterpoint, I wonder if anyone has bothered to question whether the National Restaurant Association has a fiduciary duty to prevent, litigate, or seek the highest bidder for a release of its files? Do they have a legal duty to pursue Ms. Krashaauer since she has arguably broken the terms of the agreement? Anyone even raising these points?
Dai Alanye| 11.11.11 @ 3:02PM
I generally like Mona Charen, but the column Quin refers us to is absolutely typical of prissy conservatism, the sort of attitude that cares more what our enemies say about us than what our friends think of us.
Time and again the Dems and "Progressives" pull dirty tricks, and time and again they and their tame media condemn Republicans and conservatives for fighting fire with fire, even though our responses are far more responsible than their attacks.
And time and again weak-kneed conservatives and Republicans go along with the Left, worrying that we aren't being sufficiently "nice." They compare Cain's (probably false) minor transgressions with Clinton's rapes and demonic womanizing. Our own people fail to apply a sense of proportion when comparing Republican peccadilloes with those of men who leave their lovers drowning, or engage in public sexual banter with Princess Leia.
Consider the wussy squealing by some Repubs when Cain used the term "Princess Nancy." Good grief! Pelosi could without much exaggeration be compared with Eva Peron, Rosa Luxembourg, and Madame DeFarge... put together!
Let's get over it. The prevent defense is questionable in football, and a sure failure in politics. We all know the best defense is a strong offense not an apologetic whimper.
Last evening on Fox's show The Five, the lone Dem - Bob Beckel, a dirty tricks guy himself - complained bitterly, tears almost spurting from his fat eyes, of how we blame Obama for everything, despite all the wonderful stuff The One has done to save the economy. The others on the panel soothed his feelings, of course, if only because they need him as a foil.
When you make a determined enemy cry, I interpret that as a sign we are winning - that the well-justified attacks on Obama are seeding discouragement in the ranks of the evil enemy. In politics as in war it is better to be feared and respected than liked and despised. Count me with Patton - the idea is not to apologize for our cause but to make the enemy whine and cry that we are being "too mean and nasty." Or maybe that was Conan's creed. I dunno, Patton and Conan had a lot in common.
So anywho, no apologies for "being no better than the Dems." Not, at least, if utilizing the truth harshly leads to victory.
RJ| 11.11.11 @ 3:06PM
Quin,
I have a different take on the booing. The topic of the debate was the economy. When the questioners veered off their announced topic, the audience booed because the press were violating the debate rules. The press can raise the allegations against Mr. Cain at any other time, but the debate was supposed to be about the economy. It was a cheap-shot as well as the next question directed to Romney about whether he would fire Mr. Cain if he worked for him.
I don't think the audience has anything to be ashamed of. The panel was out of line and the audience let them know about it. Of course, then the spin comes about the GOP being insensitive to harassment claims, but the root of the booing was not focused on that.
big bob| 11.11.11 @ 3:11PM
No specifics, no formal complaints, nothing but innuendo, and we are already treating these complaints as legitimate. How stupid and near-sighted. Turn the situation around and contemplate what the libs would do in the same scenario. I think we all know. Oh yeah, we are above them, right? The house republicans have a law which requires leaders resign in certain situations. But the dems laugh at the other side while Rangel, Waters, and others are ignored or slapped on the wrist, and stay in power. This aggravates me to no end.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 3:16PM
oops.
Simon Templar| 11.11.11 @ 3:25PM
They don't call big bob, big for nothing! He has a big intellect and is big on conservativism. Good comment.
Oldefarte| 11.11.11 @ 3:36PM
Since this is a matter of PERSONAL MORALITY, it is my opinion that until indisputable/demonstatable facts are placed before the public, speculation should be avoided. This Cain situation is to date a HE SAID/SHE SAID one totally and same is totally irrelivant to his possible professional capabilities as a presidential candidate. If personal immorality issues disqualified all politicians, Europe would have absolutely no governmental leaders [and some could argue that they already do not have, and never have had, any]. Let the facts evolve if any. Available legal documents [barring confessions/testamony of acts committed] will not reveal the truth, but could be an indication of same. In the cases of Clinton, the Kennedys etc; an over-abundance of evidence available should lead reasonable people to arrive at rational decisions as to their immoral conducts. In Cain's case, not enough is known, and if/until same becomes evident, speculation and/or questioning by MSM borders on slander and should be treated [and rightfully boo'd] as such!!!!!!!
albert constantine jr.| 11.11.11 @ 3:36PM
I'm going to have to go with the audience reaction on this one. I don't think they were booing the fact that a question about character was asked, I think they were booing the selective failure by the media to ask Obama such questions in 2008, or Clinton before 1998 (and then, only reluctantly). Perhaps Cain is guilty of many bad things and like all candidates for high office should be asked, and his answers dissected. Thus far, though, the absence of credible evidence suggests that perhaps the audience has higher standards than the press asking questions.
OLDRAY| 11.11.11 @ 4:53PM
It is really quite simple AND kind of wonderful. The "moderators" tried to ambush Cain and the audience saw thru tyhis indecent action and showed their disgust. .
OLDRAY| 11.11.11 @ 4:58PM
Perhaps some of the booing should have been saved for Mr Hillyer. He certainly has earned it.
sjccoach| 11.11.11 @ 4:59PM
They are not self respecting journalists. They are the propaganda arm of the Democrat party and as such deserved to be booed.
Mike Rogers| 11.12.11 @ 8:15AM
I disagree, mostly on the grounds that Mona totally misreads conservatives, and projects liberal motives onto us. Over at NRO, I commented:
Ms Charen wrote: "But liberal hypocrisy, however malodorous, shouldn’t justify our own. The booing, and some of the commentary among conservatives, can be interpreted to mean not only that we disbelieve the accusations, but that they wouldn’t trouble us even if they were true."
That's a very uncharitable interpretation, and it fingers you as a liberal. Why, because LIBERALS are the ones who project their foibles and character problems onto Conservatives.
If you do your research as a journalist, you will find plenty of reasons to believe that the only two accusers known to actually exist have been found to be gold-digging serial accusers, one of whom is chuckled about in the halls of CBS for her past.
Character DOES matter, and the boos signify that most of the audience think that the charges are baseless and the resent the media trying to pile on.
Clinton was protected by people who said "we know it happened, and we don't care - attaboy!"
Cain is supported by people who believe firmly that it didn't happen, and have reasons for that belief - they will desert en masse if he's lying.
On the other hand - random accusations against other campaigns do not dignify the Cain campaign staff, and should cease.
Chris k| 11.12.11 @ 8:28AM
The issue is not in the media asking a question. The issue is the media creating an issue out of anonymous allegations from anonymous sources stating that anonymous equals evidence. The media along with any rational person knows there is nothing there. It is a shameless attempt to try to create a story to smear the most popular candidate.
Teflon93| 11.12.11 @ 5:22PM
"Mona Charen, as solid a conservative as there is..."
That sentence illuminates the problem we true conservatives have with you, Quin. Charen is a typical Beltway talking head of the Karl Rove variety.
If you think she's a "solid conservative", I guess we know why you get the blowback you do.