Let me begin by saying that this debate on the economy was a
very cordial affair despite the best efforts of the CNBC panelists
to get the candidates to engage in fisticuffs. Here's how I think
the candidates did tonight.
Rick Santorum - No sooner than he started
complaining about not being asked any questions about housing, the
panelists saw fit not to ask him anything at all in the last hour
of the debate. I can't say I blame them.
Michele Bachmann - This was her best debate
since the summer. She was particularly strong on Social Security
and China. I am not sure if it's a day and a dollar short but if
she strings together a few more performances like that she might
still have life left. In which case, she could have a good showing
in Iowa.
Newt Gingrich - He seemed a little more
cantankerous than usual.Gingrich hasn't had kind words for the
media but he seemed unnecessarily testy with Maria Betrimono. Yes,
she was obnoxious but he should have stayed
cool. Otherwise, he put in a good performance and his numbers
should continue to climb.
Mitt Romney - Aside from not momentarily not
remembering how long he had been married, he put in yet another
solid performance. Not surprisingly, he was well received by the
Michigan audience. Yet it remains to be seen if he will resonate in
Iowa or South Carolina.
Herman Cain - Despite a rough ten days, Cain
was composed, well focused and retained his trademark sense of
humor. He is still very much a contender in this race.
Rick Perry - While I think not remembering he
wanted to eliminate the Department of Energy humanized him, I don't
think he did anything to inspire confidence.
Ron Paul - He put in a respectable performance
and had a particularly good response with regard to the
Federal Student Loan program.
Jon Huntsman - Like Santorum, he doesn't help
himself by complaining about only getting 30 seconds to respond or
lament feeling lonely on stage. But when the panelists gave
Huntsman a chance to elaborate on his criticism of Romney's sabre
rattling on China, he pulled a Pawlenty.
The next debate is scheduled for this Saturday in South
Carolina. It is will air on CBS and is co-sponsored by the National
Journal. The debate will focus primarily on national security
issues.
As usual Ron Paul won the debate. All the other candidates were
trying to sound like him. He is driving the issues on the whole
campaign. Gingrich put in an itelligent performance. So did
Bachman. Romney was mediocre. Perry was awful and Cain was his
usual ignorant self. He is a great performer, but has no knowledge
or substance. He is strictly media made and now the media is taking
him down.
Tobluap| 11.9.11 @ 11:22PM
The Ron Paul you have on your planet sounds way cooler than the
one we have here!
chuck| 11.9.11 @ 11:28PM
You just have to readjust your tin hat, and Ron Paul wins
everything.
Right Jack?
Devin| 11.10.11 @ 12:13AM
If you have read any of ron pauls books, many of his major
points of the past several years have become standard responses by
each of the candidates now. Such as, Audit the fed, small federal
government, more power to states, constitutional importance, lower
taxes, balance the budget, libertarian style free market with few
regulations, anti bailouts. To list a few.
Sure, Reagan, Goldwater, Senator Bob Taft - none of those
old-time dudes had anything to say about small government, states'
rights, constitutional governance, low taxes, balanced budgets, or
free markets. Nor did any of them invent the internet or slow the
rise of the oceans.
Clint| 11.9.11 @ 10:56PM
Dr.Ron Paul knows The Medical Care Issue & recognizes the
difference between Capitalism & Crony Capitalism & it's
artificial fix on The Financial Markets.
Paul McGrath| 11.9.11 @ 10:56PM
Cain might have actually picked up a few points. There will have
been a--slightly--larger audience tonight as there were undoubtedly
those who tuned in to take a look at the train wreck, and they will
have discovered exactly as you said, Aaron: he was unflappable.
Unfortunately, the debate was rather tame, and even more
unfortunately, these candidates are all over the map. Let's face
it, most of the country doesn't pay a lot of attention to this
stuff, and with these candidates all espousing different plans and
different solutions, there is nothing that has yet truly resonated
with the general population. This will change, of course, once a
few of them start to drop out. But right now, it's pretty
bland.
Bachmann, I thought, gave the best answer on health care: allow
people to buy different kinds of plans from different states and
set only minimal rules as to what the providers must provide. Great
answer, but unfortunately, the problem must be more
well-identified. We must start to educate the public, and you must
do so in simple terms.
Perry, oh God. This gaffe didn't kill him, but he's bleeding
from about twelve wounds now, and the shame of it is that they were
all self-inflicted.
Final three will be Gingrich, Cain and Romney, and once either
Cain or Gingrich drops out . . .
Paul McGrath| 11.9.11 @ 11:01PM
Dr. Ron Paul Was His Typical self: Occasionally Thoughtful, but
Wandering all Over the Map & Unable to Stay on Subject ever At
all. Period. Dr. Paul Has the Same Chance of being president of teh
United States, as I Have of marrying Kim Kardashian, Discovering a
Cure for Cancer, and swimming Across the Atlantic Ocean.
chuck| 11.9.11 @ 11:33PM
Kim K is available, or will be. Read a little, and there are
some promising things on cancer. And with enough training.......the
Atlantic may be possible.
Ron Paul, however, has no shot in hell of winning the
nomination.
My apologies to the Paul-bots.
Clint| 11.10.11 @ 12:06AM
Top Tier: Ron Paul Polls Third In Three Early Voting States
GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is polling in third in the
key early voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina,
according to a new CNN/Time poll released yesterday.
The Texas Congressman attracted 12% in telephone polls with
potential voters in all three states.
Jack in Wi| 11.10.11 @ 1:30AM
Ron Paul and Willard Romney poll the best against Obama in the
compiled polls of Real Clear Politics, as of October 31st. Ron Paul
polls the best, by far, among the young, Independents, and
Democrats. No Republican can win without a lot of those votes.
Romney can win but Ron Paul has the best chance. Romney and Paul
have the best national organizations and the best fund raising
operations. I predicted Cain was gone weeks ago. not based on his
sexual harassment claims but based on his general ignorance and
incoherence in explaining himself. I predicted days ago, that Newt
Gingrich will be the new hope of the anti Paul and anti Romney
gang. Good luck with that. Newt has more bagagge then went down on
the Titanic.
Paul McGrath| 11.9.11 @ 11:02PM
ON the Same Day.
Clint| 11.9.11 @ 11:17PM
You're A RINO-CINO Propaganda Flunkie Stooge.
Top Tier: Ron Paul Polls Third In Three Early Voting States
GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is polling in third in the
key early voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina,
according to a new CNN/Time poll released yesterday.
The Texas Congressman attracted 12% in telephone polls with
potential voters in all three states.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
chuck| 11.9.11 @ 11:38PM
Still posting the same old crap, Clintie-pooh?
12%, 1 in 8..........top tier..........haaaaaaaahhaaaaaaa
It looks like they finally got the memo and have decided to act
like adults and attempt to actually answer questions with
substance. Most of all they obeyed Reagan's rule for
conservatives.
This is playing it smart..not stupid and it will be better for
the rest of us to actually see who these people are, their ideas,
their solutions, and how they think and process.
Most of all it shows the general public that we have people with
ideas, energy, and intelligence.
It is not just conservatives and republicans that watch these
televised debates.
Aaron, thank you for a balanced, accurate, and useful
summation.
It will be most instructive to see how Santorum behaves toward
Gingrich in a NH tea party debate tonight. Check out
granitegrok.com for the live stream put up by our chief blogger,
Skip.
Tom| 11.10.11 @ 12:17PM
No matter what the question is, Rick Perry talks about his
energy policy. And, yet this is the thing he chooses to
forget?!
I understand it's easy to freeze, debates in front of audiences
are hard, etc. But, that's the job he's applying for and he comes
across as a complete dolt.
Sorry, Rick, not interested in spending another 4 years
defending conservative principles on behalf of an inarticulate
Texan boob.
Perry needs to exit, stage right, to help a clear non-Romney
consensus candidate emerge before the caucus.
Jeff| 11.10.11 @ 3:04PM
Mr. Goldstein mentions Maria Betrimono being "obnoxious" ? How
kind. My assessment would be that her utter disdain for the
candidates, due to their poltiical affiliation, was palpable. Her
Liberal bias was so evidently on display I thought she was going to
stroke out. She clearly see any Republican candidate as the
"enemy".
Bill| 11.10.11 @ 3:57PM
Here is my assesment: Gov Rick Perry is the winner because he
has a solid conservative record unlike nobody else on that stage.
Herman Cain can cry foul but he committed a crime he needs to
admit. Mitt Romney is infested by his Romney- Care. Michelle
Bachmann and Rick Santorum have to wait until 2012. Gov Perry will
dismnantle Obama and restore America's pride and glory.
Jack in Wi| 11.9.11 @ 10:43PM
As usual Ron Paul won the debate. All the other candidates were trying to sound like him. He is driving the issues on the whole campaign. Gingrich put in an itelligent performance. So did Bachman. Romney was mediocre. Perry was awful and Cain was his usual ignorant self. He is a great performer, but has no knowledge or substance. He is strictly media made and now the media is taking him down.
Tobluap| 11.9.11 @ 11:22PM
The Ron Paul you have on your planet sounds way cooler than the one we have here!
chuck| 11.9.11 @ 11:28PM
You just have to readjust your tin hat, and Ron Paul wins everything.
Right Jack?
Devin| 11.10.11 @ 12:13AM
If you have read any of ron pauls books, many of his major points of the past several years have become standard responses by each of the candidates now. Such as, Audit the fed, small federal government, more power to states, constitutional importance, lower taxes, balance the budget, libertarian style free market with few regulations, anti bailouts. To list a few.
Dai Alanye| 11.10.11 @ 12:32PM
Sure, Reagan, Goldwater, Senator Bob Taft - none of those old-time dudes had anything to say about small government, states' rights, constitutional governance, low taxes, balanced budgets, or free markets. Nor did any of them invent the internet or slow the rise of the oceans.
Clint| 11.9.11 @ 10:56PM
Dr.Ron Paul knows The Medical Care Issue & recognizes the difference between Capitalism & Crony Capitalism & it's artificial fix on The Financial Markets.
Paul McGrath| 11.9.11 @ 10:56PM
Cain might have actually picked up a few points. There will have been a--slightly--larger audience tonight as there were undoubtedly those who tuned in to take a look at the train wreck, and they will have discovered exactly as you said, Aaron: he was unflappable.
Unfortunately, the debate was rather tame, and even more unfortunately, these candidates are all over the map. Let's face it, most of the country doesn't pay a lot of attention to this stuff, and with these candidates all espousing different plans and different solutions, there is nothing that has yet truly resonated with the general population. This will change, of course, once a few of them start to drop out. But right now, it's pretty bland.
Bachmann, I thought, gave the best answer on health care: allow people to buy different kinds of plans from different states and set only minimal rules as to what the providers must provide. Great answer, but unfortunately, the problem must be more well-identified. We must start to educate the public, and you must do so in simple terms.
Perry, oh God. This gaffe didn't kill him, but he's bleeding from about twelve wounds now, and the shame of it is that they were all self-inflicted.
Final three will be Gingrich, Cain and Romney, and once either Cain or Gingrich drops out . . .
Paul McGrath| 11.9.11 @ 11:01PM
Dr. Ron Paul Was His Typical self: Occasionally Thoughtful, but Wandering all Over the Map & Unable to Stay on Subject ever At all. Period. Dr. Paul Has the Same Chance of being president of teh United States, as I Have of marrying Kim Kardashian, Discovering a Cure for Cancer, and swimming Across the Atlantic Ocean.
chuck| 11.9.11 @ 11:33PM
Kim K is available, or will be. Read a little, and there are some promising things on cancer. And with enough training.......the Atlantic may be possible.
Ron Paul, however, has no shot in hell of winning the nomination.
My apologies to the Paul-bots.
Clint| 11.10.11 @ 12:06AM
Top Tier: Ron Paul Polls Third In Three Early Voting States
GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is polling in third in the key early voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, according to a new CNN/Time poll released yesterday.
The Texas Congressman attracted 12% in telephone polls with potential voters in all three states.
Jack in Wi| 11.10.11 @ 1:30AM
Ron Paul and Willard Romney poll the best against Obama in the compiled polls of Real Clear Politics, as of October 31st. Ron Paul polls the best, by far, among the young, Independents, and Democrats. No Republican can win without a lot of those votes. Romney can win but Ron Paul has the best chance. Romney and Paul have the best national organizations and the best fund raising operations. I predicted Cain was gone weeks ago. not based on his sexual harassment claims but based on his general ignorance and incoherence in explaining himself. I predicted days ago, that Newt Gingrich will be the new hope of the anti Paul and anti Romney gang. Good luck with that. Newt has more bagagge then went down on the Titanic.
Paul McGrath| 11.9.11 @ 11:02PM
ON the Same Day.
Clint| 11.9.11 @ 11:17PM
You're A RINO-CINO Propaganda Flunkie Stooge.
Top Tier: Ron Paul Polls Third In Three Early Voting States
GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is polling in third in the key early voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, according to a new CNN/Time poll released yesterday.
The Texas Congressman attracted 12% in telephone polls with potential voters in all three states.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
chuck| 11.9.11 @ 11:38PM
Still posting the same old crap, Clintie-pooh?
12%, 1 in 8..........top tier..........haaaaaaaahhaaaaaaa
Clint| 11.10.11 @ 12:10AM
Still Crybabying RINO-CINO Chuckie ?
http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/.....people.jpg
Simon Templar| 11.10.11 @ 12:57AM
It looks like they finally got the memo and have decided to act like adults and attempt to actually answer questions with substance. Most of all they obeyed Reagan's rule for conservatives.
This is playing it smart..not stupid and it will be better for the rest of us to actually see who these people are, their ideas, their solutions, and how they think and process.
Most of all it shows the general public that we have people with ideas, energy, and intelligence.
It is not just conservatives and republicans that watch these televised debates.
Aaron, thank you for a balanced, accurate, and useful summation.
JimH| 11.10.11 @ 8:15AM
Rick Perry - Texas toast?
Mike Rogers| 11.10.11 @ 8:40AM
It will be most instructive to see how Santorum behaves toward Gingrich in a NH tea party debate tonight. Check out granitegrok.com for the live stream put up by our chief blogger, Skip.
Tom| 11.10.11 @ 12:17PM
No matter what the question is, Rick Perry talks about his energy policy. And, yet this is the thing he chooses to forget?!
I understand it's easy to freeze, debates in front of audiences are hard, etc. But, that's the job he's applying for and he comes across as a complete dolt.
Sorry, Rick, not interested in spending another 4 years defending conservative principles on behalf of an inarticulate Texan boob.
Perry needs to exit, stage right, to help a clear non-Romney consensus candidate emerge before the caucus.
Jeff| 11.10.11 @ 3:04PM
Mr. Goldstein mentions Maria Betrimono being "obnoxious" ? How kind. My assessment would be that her utter disdain for the candidates, due to their poltiical affiliation, was palpable. Her Liberal bias was so evidently on display I thought she was going to stroke out. She clearly see any Republican candidate as the "enemy".
Bill| 11.10.11 @ 3:57PM
Here is my assesment: Gov Rick Perry is the winner because he has a solid conservative record unlike nobody else on that stage. Herman Cain can cry foul but he committed a crime he needs to admit. Mitt Romney is infested by his Romney- Care. Michelle Bachmann and Rick Santorum have to wait until 2012. Gov Perry will dismnantle Obama and restore America's pride and glory.