With all due respect to John Tabin, he seems to misunderstand
the nature of the "settlements" between two of the Herman Cain
accusers and the National Restaurant Association:
One accusation of sexual harassment may be a lie or a
misunderstanding. But four accusations? One of which resulted in a
$35,000 settlement, one of which resulted in a $45,000 settlement,
and one of which is backed up by two affadavits signed under
penalty of perjury by people swearing that the accuser told them
about the incident at the time?
Yet as noted by The New York Times earlier this month,
these "settlements" were
severance packages equivalent to a year's salary when the
two accusers agreed to terminate their employment with the
National Restaurant Association. These severance packages were
offered in the hope warding off litigation which would have been
far more costly. For its part, the National Restaurant Association
noted that, "Mr. Cain was not a party to that agreement."
Needless to say, the severance agreement would not have rendered
judgment against Cain on the merits of the allegation. The fact
that these two women received compensation from the National
Restaurant Association doesn't mean their accusations against Cain
are as Tabin puts it "partially true" much less a kernel of
truth.
This is one of the many things bandwidth eater Tabin fails to
understand. The most irrelevant "contributor" to TAS blog bar
none.
JPM| 11.9.11 @ 7:25PM
It matters less than not at all whether the claims against Cain
were well grounded in reality. Cain denied they were ever made. He
lied. He said there was only one claim against him, it turned out
there were two. He said the one claim against him involved only
claims of trivial misconduct. It seems he lied about that too and
that point will be thoroughly nailed down soon.
If the claims against Cain were false he should have told us
what they were and refuted them when the matter first arose. Now
it's too late. If two claims of serious misconduct were made
against Cain in the 1990s and he lied about it repeatedly for a
week, he's toast, even if all his accusers turn out to be
streetwalking, crack adicted, Democrat donors with several perjury
convictions.
The level of self-delusion around here is disturbing in the
extreme.
Clint| 11.9.11 @ 7:58PM
" Mr. Cain has at times seemed to conflate the situations with
the two women. Appearing to speak about the terms of the formal
settlement with Mr. Bennett’s client on Monday, he said she had
received perhaps three months of severance — this after at first
saying he knew of no severance.
On Tuesday, he said in an interview with HLN that it was “in the
vicinity of three to six months.”
Asked Tuesday on the Fox News Channel why his account kept
changing after the report appeared Sunday on Politico.com, Mr. Cain
said, “When I first heard the word ‘settlement,’ I thought ‘legal
settlement.’ ”He added, “My recollection later is that there was an
agreement.”
That led one of his interviewers, the conservative commentator
Charles Krauthammer, to ask whether he was being “Clintonian” in
his answer, a nod to former President Bill Clinton’s initial
statements that he did not have sexual relations with the intern
Monica Lewinsky.
“Well, it wasn’t intended to be Clintonian,” Mr. Cain said. “It
was simply using the word agreement.”
It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is .
Patriot4Freedom| 11.10.11 @ 1:19AM
To call them "severance packages" just distracts from the
essence of the claims. Neither woman voluntarily left the
association's employ - they got paid a year's salary to keep silent
after filing a complaint against Mr. Cain for harrassment.
$40,000 is NOT a nuisance-value suit - it is a payoff to keep
quiet.
MR. Cain has intentionally deceived the very Republicans he hopes
will vote for him.
Since when do we as conservatives and Republicans start accepting
that kind of behavior, and worse yet, respond by acting as
hypocritical as the Democrats ? ? ?
I would say that they were more likely to be the cost of getting
rid of difficult and litigious staff, rather than confirmation of
the allegation. Let us see the NRA's findings on the issue, and
I'll bet on Cain's vindication.
I've met people like these, and it's a dodgy business for the
manager. Read the other stories (by AP of all people) on Kraushaar,
for example, where she pulled the same stunt at her next job, and
where managers noted that they had taken to having witnesses to all
conversations with her (and they had no idea about her accusations
against Cain).
Occam's Tool| 11.9.11 @ 1:14PM
Nuisance suits. That's all.
Nolann Ryann| 11.9.11 @ 1:53PM
This is one of the many things bandwidth eater Tabin fails to understand. The most irrelevant "contributor" to TAS blog bar none.
JPM| 11.9.11 @ 7:25PM
It matters less than not at all whether the claims against Cain were well grounded in reality. Cain denied they were ever made. He lied. He said there was only one claim against him, it turned out there were two. He said the one claim against him involved only claims of trivial misconduct. It seems he lied about that too and that point will be thoroughly nailed down soon.
If the claims against Cain were false he should have told us what they were and refuted them when the matter first arose. Now it's too late. If two claims of serious misconduct were made against Cain in the 1990s and he lied about it repeatedly for a week, he's toast, even if all his accusers turn out to be streetwalking, crack adicted, Democrat donors with several perjury convictions.
The level of self-delusion around here is disturbing in the extreme.
Clint| 11.9.11 @ 7:58PM
" Mr. Cain has at times seemed to conflate the situations with the two women. Appearing to speak about the terms of the formal settlement with Mr. Bennett’s client on Monday, he said she had received perhaps three months of severance — this after at first saying he knew of no severance.
On Tuesday, he said in an interview with HLN that it was “in the vicinity of three to six months.”
Asked Tuesday on the Fox News Channel why his account kept changing after the report appeared Sunday on Politico.com, Mr. Cain said, “When I first heard the word ‘settlement,’ I thought ‘legal settlement.’ ”He added, “My recollection later is that there was an agreement.”
That led one of his interviewers, the conservative commentator Charles Krauthammer, to ask whether he was being “Clintonian” in his answer, a nod to former President Bill Clinton’s initial statements that he did not have sexual relations with the intern Monica Lewinsky.
“Well, it wasn’t intended to be Clintonian,” Mr. Cain said. “It was simply using the word agreement.”
It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is .
Patriot4Freedom| 11.10.11 @ 1:19AM
To call them "severance packages" just distracts from the essence of the claims. Neither woman voluntarily left the association's employ - they got paid a year's salary to keep silent after filing a complaint against Mr. Cain for harrassment.
$40,000 is NOT a nuisance-value suit - it is a payoff to keep quiet.
MR. Cain has intentionally deceived the very Republicans he hopes will vote for him.
Since when do we as conservatives and Republicans start accepting that kind of behavior, and worse yet, respond by acting as hypocritical as the Democrats ? ? ?
Mike Rogers| 11.10.11 @ 8:37AM
I would say that they were more likely to be the cost of getting rid of difficult and litigious staff, rather than confirmation of the allegation. Let us see the NRA's findings on the issue, and I'll bet on Cain's vindication.
I've met people like these, and it's a dodgy business for the manager. Read the other stories (by AP of all people) on Kraushaar, for example, where she pulled the same stunt at her next job, and where managers noted that they had taken to having witnesses to all conversations with her (and they had no idea about her accusations against Cain).