Wherein I
explain why today's explosive allegation against Herman Cain
makes me more inclined to want to defend him.
Short version: If Cain's behavior, in SERIAL situations, was SO
abhorrent as the behavior described by today's accuser, I cannot
BELIEVE he would have dared run for president. There was no way for
this sort of stuff NOT to come out, if it is true.
Because I can't believe Cain would run if he has this many
things in his background that are of this sort, I therefore choose
not to believe today's allegation. So there.
I agree, this doesn't match his projected behavior
Jack in Wi| 11.7.11 @ 11:11PM
It didn't stop Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Gary Hart, Jesse
Jackson, Eliot Spitzer, Jim McGreevey, JFK, LBJ, FDR, Teddy
Kennendy, Bob Packwood and a lot more from running for office. Some
people get away with so much their whole lives, that they never
think that they can get caught. Herm is just anthoer guy who ran
restaurants who thinks he can stick his hands up the helps dress
and grab away.
Wayne| 11.8.11 @ 1:55AM
Do you believe Anita Hill?
Bob Grant| 11.7.11 @ 10:36PM
I hope it's not true as well but my gut tells me yes.
My gut tells me here's a guy who clearly relies on his charisma
to get ahead. You can see this in his actions during debates and
interviews.
He refuses to give substantive answers about his economic plans
or views on foreign policy.
Charles Krauthammer accuses him of "winging it" and I believe
he's spot on in his description of Mr. Cain.
This "winging it" - in my opinion - is the result of him relying
too much on his likability and charisma. These same attributes can
be used in other areas of life, such as picking up women.
Being in a position of power and his favorable disposition
created many opportunities for him. This time, maybe it didn't work
out.
Obviously, this is mere speculation but seems more plausible by
the day.
vb| 11.7.11 @ 11:06PM
I tend to agree with the relying on charisma idea. I've always
been a bit skeptical of Cain's foreign policy ability, and today it
finally hit me why I was troubled: Immediately after 9/11, I
started reading everything I could get my hands on about the
Islamic world. Even though I have no influence on foreign policy, I
felt a responsibility as a citizen to be informed. Cain doesn't
seem interested and he seems to think it will be easy to make the
right decisions. His charisma won't fly in Afghanistan, Pakistan,
or even Europe.
MikeN| 11.7.11 @ 11:36PM
If you've got away with it that long, you'll think you can keep
on getting away with it. Look at John Edwards. And what about Bill
Clinton?
Bumr50| 11.7.11 @ 11:48PM
There is NOTHING to this.
It's a lie, and more will come because their first whack at Cain
actually helped him and they're livid.
If you don't believe that both the media, the Left, and the
establishment right are scared sh*tless of Herman Cain for whatever
reason, you're not seeing the forest for the trees.
Patriot4Freedom| 11.8.11 @ 12:29AM
Who is the "they're" who are livid ? Surely you don't believe in
some vast right-and-left-wing conspiracy against Mr. Cain, do you
?
Remember, he announced that "there are no skeleltons in Herman
Cain's closet" when he began his campaign. He knew full well at
that time that there were AT LEAST two major skeletons waiting to
drop. I, for one, refuse to believe someone who reminds me of Bill
Clinton, John Edwards and Anthony Wiener ! He has given five
versions of what happened at the NRA - I simply cannot believe
anything else he says. When in our lifetimes has ANY previous
Republican candidate for POTUS ever been accused of what Mr. Cain
has been accused ? Should we as Republicans accept him, and ask no
questions, regardless of these allegations in his history ? Since
when are we no better than the most craven of Democrats ?
The idea that people are scared of a "candidate" with little
knowledge of issues, who refuses to acknowledge his misstatements,
who intentionally deceives his supporters, and has NO credible
campaign organization is pitifully ridiculous ! This is someone
falsely claiming to be an "outsider", after leading one of the
largest lobbying organizations in D.C., and running previously for
both President in 2000, and the Senate in 2004. You cannot
seriously think that there is anything to fear from Herman Cain's
so-called "candidacy", other than fearing that he somehow ends up
our nominee, with all this baggage no one should be forced to
defend ! ! !
John - TMF| 11.8.11 @ 12:30AM
When everybody else in the room is a "liar", then more often
than not there is really only one liar in the room.
The Cain Campaign is over. Done, finished through. Nothing else
but this story will be discussed for weeks. Even the most stout
hearted, hard headed supporters will begin to drop the signs and
leave the room.
As I have said before, it is completely irrelevant to Cain's
candidacy whether or not he did the things for which he is being
accused.
"This" will be the first, ongoing, and last thought of every
reporter, commentator, questioner, debater, or voter when it comes
to Herman Cain.
A little something human for an example:
Once my cousin drank a glass of milk. It was a very large cold
glass and the chocolate cake that with the milk helped to wash down
was probably very tasty indeed. He was satisfied, until it was
discovered that there was no milk left in the refridgerator.
One accusation of drinking the last glass of milk, and how big
it was, lead to two, then three, then resentment that he hadn't
shared the milk with other people, that he was selfish and on and
on.
The jibes from everybody came all evening, even as he was going
to bed, "Goodnight, MooCow...." Have "milky dreams like everybody
else won't because they didn't get any milk!!!"
The picking went on finally causing my cousin blew a gasket. He
was so angry that he shouted some pretty out of bounds stuff at his
parents, and mine, too.. of course this got him grounded for an
extended period.
The upshot was that he hadn't had the last glass of milk. His
sister had poured herself the last small cup from the gallon in the
'fridge, and conveniently neglected to tell everybody that she had
the last little bit of milk left in the jug.
The milk draining episode became the only topic of his
converation plate. All he did was defend himself against the
constant needling. The accusation was false; however it ruined his
entire day and a half.
(BTW - He was pretty creepy for leaving just about a cup of milk
after pouring himself a glass the size of a 52 DeSoto.. but that is
another story.)
I am surprised that professional journalists are not grasping
this reality.
Cain will begin to lose control over his "message" within the
next few days. I might be wrong, but I seriously doubt that he will
be running much of anything other than a carpet cleaner in the
closed "Cain for President" office space.
Sorry... it was interesting while it lasted.
--TMF
Wayne| 11.8.11 @ 1:56AM
So you believe Gloria Allred?
Kingofthenet| 11.8.11 @ 12:40AM
It's a basic Probability question, How many otherwise stable,
respectable women would make up ENTIRE stories about someones
behavior? Look at the facts these 'settlements' were hush hush, no
one would know the details. So one women was either so disgruntled
or unhinged that she would be the FIRST to make an accusation, and
apparently she was believable enough to get paid want amounts to
hush money, Ok ANYTHING can happen once. Second women, no knowledge
of the first same thing, eh getting a little uncomfortable but OK,
some bad luck. A third, than a forth? With behavior apparently
getting worse? The scales are definitely tipping but not in Cains
direction.
MikeN| 11.8.11 @ 12:45AM
Who is the third woman people are talking about?
I'm familiar with the original two Politico discussed.
aware| 11.8.11 @ 5:56AM
"I cannot BELIEVE he would have dared run for president"
Maybe you believe in the tooth fairy too. I suggest you look
into what kind of scum runs for office.
I remember when the Spectator had great thinkers like Florence
King and James Bovard writing. Now just, in the words of King,
"nice little conformists thinking what they are supposed to".
Oldefarte| 11.8.11 @ 3:41PM
It's being reported today that possibly this woman is what most
of us suspected she is and WHY [in essence, it's the old story of
WE KNOW WHAT SHE IS.....WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT PRICE SHE CHARGES].
Not that Cain is 'INNOCENT OF THEM CHARGES' [as Tim McVey's
Oklahoma lawyer once proclaimed], but this situation is defately a
HE SAID, SHE SAID one. No witnesses! And how convenient that the
female notorious LAWYER who conveniently pops up in these type
situations is once again doing so [and also is a famously financial
contributor to liberal Democrat causes]. This situation
individually is extreme BULLEXCREMENT!!!!!!!!!
Randy Gilmore| 11.7.11 @ 10:28PM
I agree, this doesn't match his projected behavior
Jack in Wi| 11.7.11 @ 11:11PM
It didn't stop Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson, Eliot Spitzer, Jim McGreevey, JFK, LBJ, FDR, Teddy Kennendy, Bob Packwood and a lot more from running for office. Some people get away with so much their whole lives, that they never think that they can get caught. Herm is just anthoer guy who ran restaurants who thinks he can stick his hands up the helps dress and grab away.
Wayne| 11.8.11 @ 1:55AM
Do you believe Anita Hill?
Bob Grant| 11.7.11 @ 10:36PM
I hope it's not true as well but my gut tells me yes.
My gut tells me here's a guy who clearly relies on his charisma to get ahead. You can see this in his actions during debates and interviews.
He refuses to give substantive answers about his economic plans or views on foreign policy.
Charles Krauthammer accuses him of "winging it" and I believe he's spot on in his description of Mr. Cain.
This "winging it" - in my opinion - is the result of him relying too much on his likability and charisma. These same attributes can be used in other areas of life, such as picking up women.
Being in a position of power and his favorable disposition created many opportunities for him. This time, maybe it didn't work out.
Obviously, this is mere speculation but seems more plausible by the day.
vb| 11.7.11 @ 11:06PM
I tend to agree with the relying on charisma idea. I've always been a bit skeptical of Cain's foreign policy ability, and today it finally hit me why I was troubled: Immediately after 9/11, I started reading everything I could get my hands on about the Islamic world. Even though I have no influence on foreign policy, I felt a responsibility as a citizen to be informed. Cain doesn't seem interested and he seems to think it will be easy to make the right decisions. His charisma won't fly in Afghanistan, Pakistan, or even Europe.
MikeN| 11.7.11 @ 11:36PM
If you've got away with it that long, you'll think you can keep on getting away with it. Look at John Edwards. And what about Bill Clinton?
Bumr50| 11.7.11 @ 11:48PM
There is NOTHING to this.
It's a lie, and more will come because their first whack at Cain actually helped him and they're livid.
If you don't believe that both the media, the Left, and the establishment right are scared sh*tless of Herman Cain for whatever reason, you're not seeing the forest for the trees.
Patriot4Freedom| 11.8.11 @ 12:29AM
Who is the "they're" who are livid ? Surely you don't believe in some vast right-and-left-wing conspiracy against Mr. Cain, do you ?
Remember, he announced that "there are no skeleltons in Herman Cain's closet" when he began his campaign. He knew full well at that time that there were AT LEAST two major skeletons waiting to drop. I, for one, refuse to believe someone who reminds me of Bill Clinton, John Edwards and Anthony Wiener ! He has given five versions of what happened at the NRA - I simply cannot believe anything else he says. When in our lifetimes has ANY previous Republican candidate for POTUS ever been accused of what Mr. Cain has been accused ? Should we as Republicans accept him, and ask no questions, regardless of these allegations in his history ? Since when are we no better than the most craven of Democrats ?
The idea that people are scared of a "candidate" with little knowledge of issues, who refuses to acknowledge his misstatements, who intentionally deceives his supporters, and has NO credible campaign organization is pitifully ridiculous ! This is someone falsely claiming to be an "outsider", after leading one of the largest lobbying organizations in D.C., and running previously for both President in 2000, and the Senate in 2004. You cannot seriously think that there is anything to fear from Herman Cain's so-called "candidacy", other than fearing that he somehow ends up our nominee, with all this baggage no one should be forced to defend ! ! !
John - TMF| 11.8.11 @ 12:30AM
When everybody else in the room is a "liar", then more often than not there is really only one liar in the room.
The Cain Campaign is over. Done, finished through. Nothing else but this story will be discussed for weeks. Even the most stout hearted, hard headed supporters will begin to drop the signs and leave the room.
As I have said before, it is completely irrelevant to Cain's candidacy whether or not he did the things for which he is being accused.
"This" will be the first, ongoing, and last thought of every reporter, commentator, questioner, debater, or voter when it comes to Herman Cain.
A little something human for an example:
Once my cousin drank a glass of milk. It was a very large cold glass and the chocolate cake that with the milk helped to wash down was probably very tasty indeed. He was satisfied, until it was discovered that there was no milk left in the refridgerator.
One accusation of drinking the last glass of milk, and how big it was, lead to two, then three, then resentment that he hadn't shared the milk with other people, that he was selfish and on and on.
The jibes from everybody came all evening, even as he was going to bed, "Goodnight, MooCow...." Have "milky dreams like everybody else won't because they didn't get any milk!!!"
The picking went on finally causing my cousin blew a gasket. He was so angry that he shouted some pretty out of bounds stuff at his parents, and mine, too.. of course this got him grounded for an extended period.
The upshot was that he hadn't had the last glass of milk. His sister had poured herself the last small cup from the gallon in the 'fridge, and conveniently neglected to tell everybody that she had the last little bit of milk left in the jug.
The milk draining episode became the only topic of his converation plate. All he did was defend himself against the constant needling. The accusation was false; however it ruined his entire day and a half.
(BTW - He was pretty creepy for leaving just about a cup of milk after pouring himself a glass the size of a 52 DeSoto.. but that is another story.)
I am surprised that professional journalists are not grasping this reality.
Cain will begin to lose control over his "message" within the next few days. I might be wrong, but I seriously doubt that he will be running much of anything other than a carpet cleaner in the closed "Cain for President" office space.
Sorry... it was interesting while it lasted.
--TMF
Wayne| 11.8.11 @ 1:56AM
So you believe Gloria Allred?
Kingofthenet| 11.8.11 @ 12:40AM
It's a basic Probability question, How many otherwise stable, respectable women would make up ENTIRE stories about someones behavior? Look at the facts these 'settlements' were hush hush, no one would know the details. So one women was either so disgruntled or unhinged that she would be the FIRST to make an accusation, and apparently she was believable enough to get paid want amounts to hush money, Ok ANYTHING can happen once. Second women, no knowledge of the first same thing, eh getting a little uncomfortable but OK, some bad luck. A third, than a forth? With behavior apparently getting worse? The scales are definitely tipping but not in Cains direction.
MikeN| 11.8.11 @ 12:45AM
Who is the third woman people are talking about?
I'm familiar with the original two Politico discussed.
aware| 11.8.11 @ 5:56AM
"I cannot BELIEVE he would have dared run for president"
Maybe you believe in the tooth fairy too. I suggest you look into what kind of scum runs for office.
I remember when the Spectator had great thinkers like Florence King and James Bovard writing. Now just, in the words of King, "nice little conformists thinking what they are supposed to".
Oldefarte| 11.8.11 @ 3:41PM
It's being reported today that possibly this woman is what most of us suspected she is and WHY [in essence, it's the old story of WE KNOW WHAT SHE IS.....WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT PRICE SHE CHARGES]. Not that Cain is 'INNOCENT OF THEM CHARGES' [as Tim McVey's Oklahoma lawyer once proclaimed], but this situation is defately a HE SAID, SHE SAID one. No witnesses! And how convenient that the female notorious LAWYER who conveniently pops up in these type situations is once again doing so [and also is a famously financial contributor to liberal Democrat causes]. This situation individually is extreme BULLEXCREMENT!!!!!!!!!