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Ron Paul Budget Contains $1 Trillion in Specific Cuts

By W. James Antle, III on 10.17.11 @ 2:06PM

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul will unveil his plan to balance the budget today in Las Vegas, including $1 trillion in spending cuts. Politico reports on some of the details:

But Paul goes further: he'll propose immediately freezing spending by numerous government agencies at 2006 levels, the last time Republicans had complete control of the federal budget, and drastically reducing spending elsewhere. The EPA would see a 30 percent cut, the Food and Drug Administration would see one of 40 percent and foreign aid would be zeroed out immediately. He'd also take an ax to Pentagon funding for wars.

Medicaid, the children's health insurance program, food stamps, family support programs and the children's nutrition program would all be block-granted to the states and removed from the mandatory spending column of the federal budget.

Younger workers would be allowed to opt out of Social Security, the federal workforce would be cut by 10 percent, the Bush tax cuts would be extended, and both Obamacare and Dodd-Frank would be repealed. Paul would also reduce the presidential salary to $39,336, "approximately equal to the median personal income of the American worker."

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Jim | 10.17.11 @ 2:25PM

Finally, a real fiscal conservative.

MmmmmmmDonuts| 10.17.11 @ 3:10PM

Ron Paul doesn't have a chance of winning the nomination but he can use his influence to push the debate. That will be a good thing IF he can focus on the spending cuts with mainstream conservative support and put the frontrunners on the spot about whether or not they agree. If Paul starts talking about cuts related to isolationism and other quirky ideas it will end up being another "there goes Ron Paul" moment.

Jack in Wi.| 10.17.11 @ 4:21PM

Ron Paul is the only candidate running with a sane defense policy. This country has gone bankrupt in the last 20 years being the world's policeman. We will be as bankrupt as the old Soviet Union, if we continue our present foreign policy. The world can well defend itself. The Muslim countries are backward 3rd world places. They are a threat to no one. It is far more likely that this country will fall to internal rot rather then any foreign government. Europe, Israel, the Arabs, japan, Korea, and the rest of them are rich enough to spend their own blood and treasure for their own defences.

He has just issued an new economic plan which would slash government spending 1 trillion dollars and balance the budget in 3 years. He is the intellectual and moral giant leading this country back to sanity. It is Ron Paul or ruin.

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MmmmmmmDonuts| 10.17.11 @ 6:23PM

The idea that muslim countries are a threat to no one ... yeah, that's a hard sell among conservatives after 9/11 in case you hadn't noticed.

Which just goes to make my point. Whatever good might have come out of Ron Paul putting a detailed economic plan out there will be completely nullified if Paul can't resist making statements that sound so out of touch.

I guess he's got little to lose at this point, with him polling at 2.7% in the most recent Florida poll, behind everyone else except Bachmann and Huntsman.

Sean| 10.17.11 @ 7:19PM

Are you asking for a war against Saudi Arabia? You mentioned 9/11 and Muslim countries so I thought I would ask. Or does Iran have something to do with 9/11?

MmmmmmmDonuts| 10.17.11 @ 7:26PM

Are you trying somehow to defend the claim that muslim countries are a threat to no one? Even if you think that's true, can you appreciate that (a) this idea is far outside of American conservative thinking and more like something you'd hear a squishy progressive saying, and (b) it's things like this that are why Ron Paul and his supporters aren't taken seriously, and perhaps why he's polling down below 3% in Florida?

Clint| 10.17.11 @ 8:11PM

"Ron Paul 51%, Obama 49%. New Harris Poll
September 27th,2011:

Head to head against Obama, only two Republicans are beating him. Ron Paul beats Obama 51% to 49% according to the latest Harris Poll. Everyone else, except Romney, lose pretty big against Obama."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.17.11 @ 8:48PM

In other (GREAT) news:

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AVCurmudgeon| 10.18.11 @ 12:34AM

Um, not to mention Herman Cain who also beats Obama 51/49.

Clint| 10.17.11 @ 8:10PM

"Ron Paul Takes Third in Latest Reuters/Ipsos Poll
Saturday, October 15, 2011:

Rep. Ron Paul continues his string of strong poll finishes with a third place finish in the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll of likely Republican voters. The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted between October 6 and 10 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.8 percentage points. Ipsos Public Affairs surveyed 410 Republicans."

Margie| 10.17.11 @ 8:49PM

TODAY, Monday:

In other (GREAT) news:

Drudge Reporting:

POLL: CAIN 43% OBAMA 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....l_matchups

Jack in Wi.| 10.17.11 @ 10:38PM

To donut head: Iran, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Pakistan etc are a threat to no one. They have no way of attacking this country and no desire to do so. The people hate us because we are over there. We should be home minding our own business. And for Israel, it has hundreds fo atomic weapons and is perfectly able to defend itself without any help from us. Israel could of had a peace treaty decades ago if it would get back inside it's own borders. The Saudi's and the whole Arab League offered in 2002 the Israeli's a full peace and trade relations if they would get behind a negotiated green line border and stay there. After 63 years it is long past time for peace in this region. The Arabs were ready 35 years ago, when Sadat addressed the Knesset.

victor| 10.17.11 @ 10:43PM

Jack LeTete d'Fromage:
"Iran, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Pakistan etc are a threat to no one. They have no way of attacking this country and no desire to do so."

Ever hear of suitcase bombs?

The more porous you want our borders to be, the more chance they will come in with them.

http://www.unitedstatesaction......uclear.htm

Occam's Tool| 10.18.11 @ 12:53AM

Yup, I sure do believe Jack that Iran harbors no ill feelings towards the US for reasons that have nothing to do with Israel.

Jack, you are a blooody idiot trying to start WWIII.

Jack in Wi.| 10.19.11 @ 1:23AM

Bombing Iran will start WW3 Occam. You have been advocating that for as long as I have been here. You neocons have never ever been right about anything. Iraq has been a disaster, so has Afganistan. An attack on Iran may well bring on a revolt by the Shia in Iraq and our troops there being annialated. Pakistan's government may be overthrown and we would have no way to support our troops in Afganistan. Russia China and Turkey may get involved. Who is supposed to fight and finance this world war, except the poor citizens of the USA?

Clint| 10.17.11 @ 8:30PM

You're Just Runnin' Your Uninformed Israel Firster Mouth.

Do Your Homework.

" Nonintervention or non-interventionism is a foreign policy which holds that political rulers should avoid alliances with other nations, but still retain diplomacy, and avoid all wars not related to direct self-defense. This is based on the grounds that a state should not interfere in the internal politics of another state, based upon the principles of state sovereignty and self-determination. A similar phrase is "strategic independence". Historical examples of supporters of non-interventionism are US Presidents George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, who both favored nonintervention in European Wars while maintaining free trade. Other proponents include United States Senator Robert Taft and United States Congressman Ron Paul.

Nonintervention is distinct from isolationism, the latter featuring economic nationalism (protectionism) and restrictive immigration. Proponents of non-interventionism distinguish their polices from isolationism through their advocacy of more open national relations, to include diplomacy and free trade."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.17.11 @ 8:50PM

In other (GREAT) news:

Drudge Reporting:

TODAY, Monday:

POLL: CAIN 43% OBAMA 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....l_matchups

Clint| 10.17.11 @ 2:50PM

Dr.Ron Paul Leads The Real Tea Party Rebellion.

The Ruling Elite Big Government Spenders Are The Enemy Of Us American Taxpayers.

Rise Up In Rebellion.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.17.11 @ 8:50PM

TODAY, Monday:

Margie| 10.17.11 @ 8:51PM

In other (GREAT) news:

Drudge Reporting:

POLL: CAIN 43% OBAMA 41%

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And HE ain't EVEN a Dr!!

Sean| 10.17.11 @ 2:55PM

Now that is the kind of bold plan that we need.

9thID| 10.17.11 @ 2:55PM

Will Paul be joining his followers at Occupy Las Vegas?

Sean| 10.17.11 @ 3:09PM

this looks to be part of the plan.

http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcd.....caPlan.pdf

martin j smith| 10.17.11 @ 3:16PM

Sadly Ron Paul is half Obama on foreign and National security-very dangerous. All the money he would saved could well be lost due to foolish isolationism and resulting disastrous attacks on our soil. Sorry--half an Obama is not good enough. I want no Obama.

Sean| 10.17.11 @ 3:21PM

Actually I believe you are for Obama's foreign policy. Sorry Obama and Bush's foreign policy is pretty much the same and is disastrous.

Clint| 10.17.11 @ 4:06PM

The RINO-CINO's Wouldn't Know Real Conservative Foreign Policy, If It Jumped Up & Bit Em.

Read George Washington's Farewell Address, Thomas Jefferson's First Inaugural Address, The Old Right & Get Back To Us.

Dr. Ron Paul Understands That The Out of Control Big Government Spenders Will Destroy America, Not A Bunch Of RagHeads From The Middle East.

The tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.17.11 @ 8:52PM

TODAY, Monday:

In other (GREAT) news:

Drudge Reporting:

POLL: CAIN 43% OBAMA 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....l_matchups

Wayne| 10.17.11 @ 4:17PM

The other half would impeach Obama. Sounds good to me.

TexasMom2012| 10.17.11 @ 3:42PM

I love the bold cuts but in so many ways RonPaul is off the reservation on the real world as it exists. His foreign policy sounds simply nutty especially in a time where the oceans can no longer protect us. I wish we could pick and choose policy rather simply a presidential nominee because so many of our candidates have great ideas but they are all flawed as well. So no to Paul, definitely NOT Romney, that leaves me with Perry, Newt or Cain. Any of whom are way way better than Obama; unfortunately, my primary vote in Texas never even counts, sigh. I like Perry because he is educable and when faced with overwhelming disapproval, he reevaluates his position and will admit a mistake.

Dale Stewart| 10.17.11 @ 9:14PM

Please provide some detailed information to support your "off the reservation" viewpoint. If my neighbor were to come onto my property armed, and proceed to destroy most everything of value to me, stealing what was left, I might just get a little angry.and I might just take some aggressive action against him, and I would be perfectly justified in doing so. Had said neighbor remained on his own property, minding his own business, I likely would have never given him much thought beyond the occasional hello in passing. Better yet, we might eventually strike a rapport and end up being friends. The world is not Americas enemy, the world does not hate our freedoms and our prosperity. The world hates having bombs dropped on their heads, troops on their soil, puppets in their parliament. If America is hated around the world it's with damn good reason. War is not a family value, it has however replaced baseball as Americas national pastime.

Mal_Content| 10.17.11 @ 3:53PM

The logic of today's GOP:

Spreading troops all over the world while leaving US borders vulnerable = Strong on Defense

Bringing troops home to secure the borders and save billions by curtailing pointless foreign excursions = Isolationism

aware| 10.17.11 @ 4:54PM

Exactly!

Solo| 10.17.11 @ 6:26PM

Sorry! The doctrine of Posse Comitatus precludes that plan.

Federal troops may not be used for domestic law enforcement.
And you wouldn't want it otherwise!

An accelorated withdrawal of troops from the middle east may be in order, given our fiscal circumstances.
A withdrawal from most of our bases in Europe is certainly doable under certain circumstances but a sweeping, sudden withdrawal would be ill-advised .

Mal_Content| 10.17.11 @ 6:45PM

Securing our borders is not law enforcement, it's a National Defense issue.

Solo| 10.18.11 @ 6:30AM

Illegally crossing the border is not an act of war. It's a misdemeaner offense. IN other words.....it's a law enforcement issue.

Wayne| 10.17.11 @ 4:15PM

Thing is, I don't think it goes nearly far enough. We need to reduce government salaries and benefits to be in line with the private sector, and we need to cut at least 33 percent of the federal workforce. We should eliminate the EPA, DOE and FDA all together. Paul is a wild eyed liberal.

Sean| 10.17.11 @ 4:37PM

What are your candidates proposing? This cuts deeper than anyone else's proposals.

Wayne| 10.17.11 @ 7:26PM

My candidates?

JP| 10.17.11 @ 4:17PM

Remember when Paul had the chance to vote and support giving a Social Security Privatiziation plan when Bush proposed it, he refused and was against the plan along with the left.

the Defense cuts he proposes are idiotic and the plan itself has zero chance of implementation and the left/media would tear him to pieces over it in an actual campaign.

Clint| 10.17.11 @ 4:28PM

Do Your homework.

" Ron Paul, US Representative (R-TX), in a Jan. 24, 2005 article titled "Want to Reform Social Security? Stop Spending" on his US Congressional website, stated:

"The administration speaks of private accounts, but government-managed investment of Social Security funds is not privatization at all. True capitalism by definition operates without government interference, and we should oppose further government involvement in the financial markets. After all, which government officials will decide what stocks, bonds, mutual funds, or other investment vehicles are approved? Which politicians will you trust to decide what your portfolio may contain? Imagine the lobbyists fighting over which special interests will have their favored investments approved for Social Security accounts. Political favoritism, rather than market performance, will determine what investments are allowed, and Social Security in essence will become a huge source of taxpayer-provided investment capital."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.17.11 @ 8:52PM

TODAY, Monday:

In other (GREAT) news:

Drudge Reporting:

POLL: CAIN 43% OBAMA 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....l_matchups

Mal_Content| 10.17.11 @ 4:35PM

Please, JR, let us know who you support.

Who are the Good Conservatives?

aware| 10.17.11 @ 4:58PM

Neo cons have a plethora of what they call "good candidates" in this race. And as usual none of them want to cut anything. Just the old bait and switch of "tax reform".

Clint| 10.17.11 @ 4:19PM

The plan “eliminates five cabinet departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education), abolish[es] the Transportation Security Administration and return[s] responsibility for security to private property owners, abolishing corporate subsidies, stopping foreign aid, ending foreign wars, and returning most other spending to 2006 levels.” And the plan slashes the federal workforce by ten percent.

Dr.Ron Paul Leads The Real Tea Party Rebellion.

We Are Here.

Jack in Wi.| 10.17.11 @ 4:25PM

I would also get rid of the Dept of Transportation. It is about the easiest to get rid of. All you have to is eliminate the Federal exicise tax on fuel. The states could collect it and determine their own policies without all the Federal interferece and mandates.

Margie| 10.17.11 @ 8:53PM

TODAY, Monday:

In other (GREAT) news:

Drudge Reporting:

POLL: CAIN 43% OBAMA 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....l_matchups

LiveFreeOrDie| 10.17.11 @ 5:39PM

I know the Paul bashers will arrive shortly and say what they may this is a GOOD PLAN. These are EXACTLY the kinds of things everyone on these blogs is asking for. Why is it only Paul with fiscal sanity? If nothing else I hope the other candidates will get spurred in the side and start talking about same.

Solo| 10.17.11 @ 6:30PM

I'm usually a Paul Basher (so to speak) but primarily because of his naive foreign policy....and , of course, his rampant and blatantly obvious anti-semitism.

This having been said, however, I have no truck with these other cuts. Hack away, I say.

If nothing else, at least he can get the conversation started....and that's not a bad thing.

Mal_Content| 10.17.11 @ 6:43PM

"rampant and blatantly obvious anti-semitism."

Link? I must have missed this.

Israel & USA, friends forever.| 10.17.11 @ 8:32PM

Anyone who wants to cut any support of Israel in any way is an anti-semite.

Dale Stewart| 10.17.11 @ 8:59PM

That's quite a leap. America does not support Israel and never has. America undermines Israeli sovereignty at nearly every turn. America gives more foreign aid to Israels enemies in the middle east than to Israel, so eliminating foreign aid in the middle east would actually be a net benefit to the nation of Israel. Israel is not free to defend its national interests or even determine it's own borders without American "approval". Ron Paul supports the right of Israel to exist and to determine it's own fate. Ron Paul supports Israels right to defend itself and feels that Israel is quite capable of doing so and would be better served by less so called American "support". This does not sound anti-semitic to me. Would you please check your facts and then provide some evidence to support your ridiculous assertion?

Joey S.| 10.17.11 @ 11:41PM

Paul wants to stop all the handouts. That is VERY pro-Israel seeing that we give Israel about $3B a year and their enemies about $12B a year.
If you can call that pro-Israel, then it would be even more pro-Israel just to start shooting Israelis.

Solo| 10.18.11 @ 6:32AM

Google "The Ron Paul News Letter". There's 1000's of links.

Mal_Content| 10.18.11 @ 12:07PM

Just quote him if you can...you have obviously seen this evidence of "rampant and blatantly obvious anti-semitism", so it shouldn't be too hard.

Unless you are full of shit, which I imagine is the case.

Clint| 10.17.11 @ 6:38PM

Uh Oh !

Israel Firster PropagandaBoy Solo Attempts To Play His Dog Eared Anti-Semite Card On Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate , Dr. Ron Paul.

You Israel Firsters Wouldn't Know Consevative Foreign Policy If It Jumped Up & Bit Ya.

Read George Washington's Farewell Address & Thomas Jefferson's First Inaugural Address & The Old Right & Get Back To Us.

The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Solo's Face.

MmmmmmmDonuts| 10.17.11 @ 7:00PM

"Co-Favorite"? What in the world does that mean?

BTW ... latest Florida poll ... Romney 33%, Cain 31%, Gingrich 12%, Perry 2.9%, Paul 2.7%, Bachmann 1.6%. Apparently Paul isn't any kind of "favorite" in Florida.

victor| 10.17.11 @ 9:28PM

"Co-Favorite"? What in the world does that mean?"

What does anything Clint says means?

He never mentions who the other "Co-Favorite" is.

Clint| 10.18.11 @ 7:39AM

It's Sarah Palin, Screwball Israel Firster Crippled Russkie Victor.

But You Already Knew That.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.17.11 @ 8:54PM

TODAY, Monday:

In other (GREAT) news:

Drudge Reporting:

POLL: CAIN 43% OBAMA 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....l_matchups

Margaret| 10.17.11 @ 10:13PM

Margie,
This is the only intelligent comment you ever made. Stick to reporting the polls.

victor| 10.17.11 @ 10:29PM

That's true Margret, stick to what you know.

What is it that you know exactly?

Margie| 10.17.11 @ 11:04PM

"Stick" IT, Margaret.
TROLL.

Clint| 10.17.11 @ 7:17PM

"Ron Paul Takes Third in Latest Reuters/Ipsos Poll
Saturday, October 15, 2011:

AAAAAAANNNND.

"Tea party activists are divided roughly into two camps, according to a POLITICO/TargetPoint poll: one that’s libertarian-minded and largely indifferent to hot-button values issues and another that’s culturally conservative and equally concerned about social and fiscal issues.

The survey, an exit poll conducted by Edison Research at the massive Tax Day protest on the National Mall, found that the attendees were largely hostile to President Barack Obama and the national Democratic Party — three-quarters believe the president “is pursuing a socialist agenda.”

Yet they aren’t enamored of the Republican Party as an alternative. Overall, three out of four tea party attendees said they were “scared about the direction” of the country and “want to send a message to both political parties.”

Palin, who topped the list with 15 percent, speaks for the 43 percent of those polled expressing the distinctly conservative view that government does too much, while also saying that it needs to promote traditional values.

Paul’s thinking is reflected by an almost identical 42 percent who said government does too much but should not try to promote any particular set of values — the hallmarks of libertarians. He came in second to Palin with 12 percent.

When asked to choose from a list of candidates for president in 2012, Palin and Paul also finished one-two — with Palin at 15 percent and Paul at 14 percent. "

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

MmmmmmmDonuts| 10.17.11 @ 7:32PM

3% in Florida. But who needs Florida, right?

And that second poll you quote? Eighteen months old.

Clint| 10.17.11 @ 8:08PM

"Ron Paul 51%, Obama 49%. New Harris Poll
September 27th,2011:

Head to head against Obama, only two Republicans are beating him. Ron Paul beats Obama 51% to 49% according to the latest Harris Poll. Everyone else, except Romney, lose pretty big against Obama."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

MmmmmmmDonuts| 10.17.11 @ 9:02PM

Ron Paul = 3% in Florida

And that's a current poll unlike your poll from last month and the other one from a year and a half ago.

victor| 10.17.11 @ 9:26PM

TODAY,

Monday, Monday, Monday:

In other (GREAT) news:

Drudge Reporting:

POLL: CAIN 43% OBAMA 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....l_matchups

Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it!

Tony| 10.17.11 @ 9:14PM

I don't think many of the Ron Paul supporters really understand what he's for. With this recent budget he's proposing doing away with the department of the interior, which manages public land, like national park, national forests, BLM, etc... where you go camping, hunting, fishing, etc. Most americans that enjoy the great outdoors should be bothered by that. According to his ideology, these should be privatized, which would probably transfer ownership to the logging or fossil fuel industry, limiting our access.

His budget also gets rid of the department that permits and regulates off-shore drilling. Unregulated drilling means more oil spills, including off the atlantic coast and off the pacific northwest coasts. What would happen to the NW salmon industry if we had a couple of those spills?

Speaking of salmon, he also wants to get rid of the department that manages fish and wildlife, which would basically mean over-extraction of a lot of species to the point of extinction.

In a lot of ways I like Ron Paul. He's provocative. But I hope to god america is smart enough not to elect him.

Dale Stewart| 10.17.11 @ 9:29PM

Tony, you are expressing a common misunderstanding of Dr. Ron Paul's positions. Dr. Paul would like to see the federal government out of any area where it has not been granted specific constitutional authority. The Grand Canyon is mostly in the state of Arizona, Arizona would regain control of it's rightful property and the people of Arizona would have the responsibility to care and maintain this "national" treasure. Have a little more faith in your fellow citizens. Less federal government, federal regulation, federal waste, federal fraud, federal intrusion is a good thing. The failed and more often than not destructive policies of the federal government are too numerous to mention and the damage that has been done due to their over reaching authority is beyond calculation. The EPA, FDA, et al, have essentially become the legislative arms of mega corporations and industries whose primary concern is for anything but the health and safety of American citizens and least of all the environment.

9th ID| 10.17.11 @ 9:34PM

The Paulistas would love to get rid of the Dept. of the Interior as it is not expressly listed in the Constitution, or more importantly, not even in the Articles of Confederation. Besides, all that land could be used by them for growing pot, poppies, and for meth labs. Just think of all the “revenue” that would produce. The Founders would be proud...

victor| 10.17.11 @ 10:27PM

Yes, legalization of drugs is very near and dear to liberterriers hearts.

Joey S.| 10.17.11 @ 11:49PM

The Paulistas would love to get rid of the Dept. of the Interior as it is not expressly listed in the Constitution, or more importantly, not even in the Articles of Confederation.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Yeah that looney Paul, and looney Jefferson, and looney Adams, and looney Jay, and looney Madison, and looney........

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aware| 10.18.11 @ 6:35AM

Paul proposes real cuts to the Leviathan and what do we see here? Neo cons defending their precious State like the progressives they really are. Some even raise the flag of environmentalism in their defense of the status quo. Huh? A minute ago they were saying "Drill, baby drill" but now its "We can't do away with the Federal drilling permit power cause it'll mean oil spills". Seems that Cain isn't the only neo con that doesn't understand what neoconservatism is. But then the useful idiots have always had their uses.

Another good thing Paul does is flush the neos from their blinds so their shallowness and contradictions can be exposed, though they never see it the rest of us do. Nice little conformists doing just what they're supposed to.

They are like Trotsky, their ideological forefather, they don't oppose the all powerful State. They just don't like the way a Stalin runs it.

Is it beginning to make sense why even when "we" win, the State gets bigger? Before these 5th columnists infiltrated to confuse, subvert, and ultimately dominate, conservatism was opposition to the growth of the Nanny State. Now who the hell knows what conservatism even is anymore.

Let's see: endless war-check, crony capitalism-check, expanding spending and debt-check, growing Fedzilla-check, adding national sales tax to income tax-check, defending bankster domination of rotten economic system-check, pretending Federal Reserve destruction of the dollar is no big deal-check, and rabid attacks on anyone or anything that threatens any of the above-double check!

Now, let loose the pack!

Dale Stewart| 10.30.11 @ 7:37AM

Selah.

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