Nick Schulz
argues today in Forbes that there is such a thing as free
lunch: high-skilled immigration. "Kick open the nation's doors to
high-skilled immigrants," he writes. "There isn't a bigger
no-brainer move than this." He further argues that the "wide
consensus" among those who have studied the issue suggests that
high-skilled immigrants are net job creators.
There are two problems with this free lunch, however. The first
is that family reunification is the primary basis of legal
immigration into the United States, not skills. Each year, over 70
percent of legal immigrants are admitted mainly because they are
related to someone already here. That immigration, plus the vast
majority of our illegal immigration, is low-skilled. That's part of
the reason there is also a "wide consensus" among labor economists
that the net economic benefit of our current immigration is
actually very small, to the extent that it exists at all.
Second, it is debatable to what
extent programs like the H-1B and L-1 visas attract people who are
truly high-skilled and job-makers rather than job-takers.
These are non-immigrant visas, of course, but it's not
entirely clear they constitute a free lunch.
Nevertheless, as I noted
in my review of Mitch Daniels' book, more high-skilled immigration
may mean less of the kind of immigration we are already
getting.
Folks: Take a look at how New Zealand screens immigrants. Adopt
a very similar policy here. Build Southern Fence and back up.
I was a New Zealand Permanent Resident on my way to Citizenship
when my wife and I said "enough" to NZ's constant rain and crappy
food. (I was also being recruited to run for MP from Rotorua from
the National Party when I got Citizenship) They do a FINE job of
vetting. Clint, for example, would not be allowed to join as
literacy is required.
Clint| 10.5.11 @ 6:59PM
Tool Job wouldn't be allowed in as a moral degenerate.
btims| 10.5.11 @ 5:34PM
As a 20 yr veteran of software development (what used to be
called programming), I can assure you that H-1B visa workers
(mostly from India and China), nine times out of ten, are merely
ordinary low to mid-level professionals. Some are good, some not so
good, just like native born Americans.
And again, most use the "guest worker" visa to immediately start
to petition for an immigrant visa to stay forever and immediately
start bringing twenty of their closet relatives to our shores.
It's mostly unnecessary. It had some use in the late 1990's,
right before the "year 2000" scare but today it's just another
immigration scam - abused by nearly all.
tomq| 10.5.11 @ 5:36PM
All immigration into the USA should be reduced for the next 10
years at least.
We are not obligated to accept half of Mexico and half of the
world. High immigration is a function of big government, of
liberalism.
RND| 10.5.11 @ 11:19PM
Just about a little over a month into the new school
year....
It would be so refreshing to hear honest small town and public
school official reveal the incredible hoops they are having to dive
through to accomodate the school-aged children now here from
Somalia, Ethopia, Ghana, Nigeria, Liberia....
Whump. Don't look, your town just 85 minutes outside of Atlanta
has been selected as THE place for new U.S. immigrant arrivals.
1,400 of them.
Doesn't sound like much? That represents a 18% overnight
increase in your town's population.
Kids often with just one parent. No language skills either in
the child or parent. The parent is inaccessible in the day because
she's up early on a long bus ride into her menial job in Atlanta --
and home late at night.
Kid and his siblings who two months ago were in Africa are on
their own. Latch key.
This occurs all the time in U.S. communities and goes without
notice. Unreported. No attention given to this. Why?
Mike| 10.5.11 @ 5:38PM
You may be right. However, it seems to me that arguing the point
with stats that have been skewed due to immigration policy weakens
the argument considerably. The immigration stats only reveal what
our historical policy has been (which has favored family ties), not
who would immigrate in the absence of significant barriers.
rssg| 10.5.11 @ 6:43PM
Endless LEGAL immigration is really more of a problem then
illegal immigration - bad as it is.
What is the purpose of ballooning the US population to half a
billion? The political class, both parties, want this. Why?
America doesn't belong to Americans anymore. It's probably too
late.
Bob K.| 10.5.11 @ 7:15PM
Because the replacement birthrate to sustain the Social Programs
needed for an aging society is not big enough. Abortion is only one
of the reasons for this. Our women don't want to have children and
our men don't want to raise families.
That is why the political class wants immigration and that is
why they won't talk about it either.
Kipling wrote about it in 1919:
"On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller
life
(Which started by loving our neighbor and ended by loving his
wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and
faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: 'The Wages of Sin is
Death.' "
WJ| 10.5.11 @ 9:08PM
The new people aren't going to continue to fund SS for old white
people. It just won't happen. Using that argument is illogical.
Pelligrino| 10.5.11 @ 11:07PM
Bob K. is correct. Fully correct. This is why you see anything
but Europeans as you walk through European streets in France,
Belgium, Germany, Austria, Spain, parts of Greece and Italy. Ditto
for the major cities of Britain.
All those people have been willfully granted entry in this vain
hope that they will somehow peaceably assimilate, educate their
kids well, spend money, and buffer the emptying tax coffers against
collapse.
The Eurozone argument heard in Berlin, Madrid, Paris, Rome, and
Brussels: "These people from Eastern Europe, North Africa,
Sub-Saharan Africa, the MidEast, Asia buy cars, too. Even if used.
And they need petrol to fill the tanks. And they need apartments,
food, clothes, shoes. This bolsters our flagging economies even if
it is just at the discount stores and groceries.
We do not procreate; they do. Thus, the doors are open to them
-- by hook or by crook.
No, in all honesty we don't like them in the least and we don't
want them. We destest them. But our welfare state collapses without
them.
They are ill-educated and don't esteem education, tend to be
lazy, tend toward too much crime. They lack the intelligence to
even learn our language correctly. But.... But they make
babies."
Those are the words you would hear -- very quietly spoken and
only in private, in confidence -- in all the Eurozone capitals by
the elites who run the show.
Brittanicus| 10.5.11 @ 9:22PM
NOT JUST FARMERS, AGRICULTURE? IT IS EVERY AMERICAN BUSINESS?
SHAME ON YOU!
Pay Farm labor a decent living wage, with health care and
education for their family, instead of dumping the illegal labor
costs on the taxpayer. Then you will find people desperate for a
job, any job will come forward to work the fields. Farmers and
giant agricultural consortium’s have been underpaying illegal labor
forever and along with all the special subsidies, the same as most
business owners. It has been proofed that it only cost a few more
cents to the consumer, for vegetable and fruit if labor for the
agrarian community pay fair wages for the work done. My grandfather
picked apples in Washington State as did other family members. To
make ends meet after World War Two, my distant relatives in the
English countryside, picked strawberries for the local farmers.
Make it a national policy to implement the E-Verify bill (H.R.
2885), identifiable as the “Legal Workforce Act”. Contact your own
local Senator or Representative and insist as a voter to your
federal politician at 202-224-3121.
This is just not about the farmers; it’s about meat packing
plants, factories and manufacturing. Of course they don’t want to
employ regular Americans-legal residents. It’s about any company
owner—big or small—who wants to pay as little as possible, with no
restrictions on as little they want to pay, for a person’s labor.
They have violated this ‘Rule of Law’ because there have been no
restrictions on prohibitions to stop them, until Lamar Smith’s H.R.
2885. Special interest groups and the radical open border
activists, are currently trying to kill the federal ‘Secure
Communities’ initiative. Any individual that is apprehended by the
police will have their fingerprints forwarded to ICE, Homeland
Security and the FBI for processing. Police data-bases can quickly
assess who has been previously arrested, whether he/she is an
illegal alien or not.
Learn the facts about illegal alien costs, statistics and
business corruption at NumbersUSA, Judicial Watch and American
Patrol. Make every Business, Company and workplace be committed to
E-Verify or face harsh consequences. No business owner, no matter
who he is, should think he is above the law. That also is a
constant with political figures who own grape plantations in the
bread basket of central California. This is not just for Farmers
and agriculture but for every business owner, so that we can put
every American worker in a job and stop catering to other counties
impoverished. Go further and re-enact the "Bracero Project" of 1942
with rules and regulations, arranged so migrants from across the
Southern border have easier access to specific jobs. The “Bracero
Program” established why the plan proved immeasurably accepted
among so many migrants, for whom seasonal labor in the US presented
grand opportunities, despite some of the poor conditions they often
were confronted with in the fields and camps.
Even under some poor situations they saved money, could buy
consumer good, tools or an older vehicle, and returned home with
new outlooks and a greater sense of self-respect.
In places as Mexico counselors studied these positive aspects of
the economic and cultural effects of bracer project. If they are
retained for employment the government must oversee they are
treated correctly. They have to be issued a field workers visa that
terminates at the end of harvesting and a mandatory return to their
own country. Only through an employment office at entry ports can
these people be hired and not through third parties or recruited by
less than honest business enterprises. If they remain free of any
major problems while employed in the U.S., they can renew their
visas. As in Mexico—every person is tracked; all the farm and
agricultural workers must be tracked, so they cannot decide to drop
the job they are allocated to and disappear in the American job
market. The "Bracero program" seemed to work very well, until it
was dismantled in 1964. Through unfettered fraud millions of
illegal aliens and their families have arrived here, after the 1986
Immigration Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA)
Eventually there was an increasing apprehension among businesses
owners that the provisions within the guide lines of the program
ensured the amplification of costs for the imported labor. This
fair program mandated an assured level of wages, housing, food and
Health care for the workers (to be paid for by the employers) that
kept the standard of living above what many from across the border.
Farmers and their associated Agrarian colleagues realized they
could elevate their profits, by enjoying the extremely hard work in
the fields, by hiring illegal aliens who are now exploited.
Agriculture didn’t want to pay for the health care or schooling for
their children and other benefits, as in the orderly federal
“Bracero program.” They prefer the Taxpayers carry the weight of
costs for the labor that they hire. Farmers already receive huge
subsidies from the U.S. Government. Simple fact the farmers and all
the growers of produce got greedy, for even larger profits.
A new fair migrant worker program will never, ever be possible
under the entrenched GOP establishment and many in the Democratic
ranks. Illegal Immigration will never end under the elitists
Republicans or Democrats who really run the House and Senate.
Americans can join forces and stop the overcrowded classroom full
of the children of illegal parents. Stop the suffocation in the
emergency rooms from foreign nationals crowding the waiting areas.
Unable to locate a job; the only reasonable answer is to ‘Self
Deport’ and will no longer steal jobs, approved by businesses that
hire them. A very large majority of people that come here and fall
into a financial backwash owing to the original sponsor, not able
to support his immediate or her immediate family members. This
becomes a burden to U.S. taxpayers who end up with the yoke of
supporting these people through—CHAIN MIGRATION.
Many politicians have their own revenues in the illegal alien
labor market. Only the TEA PARTY will stop the pollution that
emanates from Washington and the Congress.
L A Stich| 10.6.11 @ 9:08AM
If you're not acquainted with Prof. Norm Matloff's work, you
should be:
He has the credentials--personal and professional--to debunk the
"H1B" mania.
yisong| 10.25.11 @ 2:10AM
Roller bearing is composed of axial and radial two roller
bearing assembly, bearings reduce
volume, simplifies the installation structure, thereby reducing the
manufacturing cost. http://www.1stbearing.com
Occam's Tool| 10.5.11 @ 5:33PM
Folks: Take a look at how New Zealand screens immigrants. Adopt a very similar policy here. Build Southern Fence and back up.
I was a New Zealand Permanent Resident on my way to Citizenship when my wife and I said "enough" to NZ's constant rain and crappy food. (I was also being recruited to run for MP from Rotorua from the National Party when I got Citizenship) They do a FINE job of vetting. Clint, for example, would not be allowed to join as literacy is required.
Clint| 10.5.11 @ 6:59PM
Tool Job wouldn't be allowed in as a moral degenerate.
btims| 10.5.11 @ 5:34PM
As a 20 yr veteran of software development (what used to be called programming), I can assure you that H-1B visa workers (mostly from India and China), nine times out of ten, are merely ordinary low to mid-level professionals. Some are good, some not so good, just like native born Americans.
And again, most use the "guest worker" visa to immediately start to petition for an immigrant visa to stay forever and immediately start bringing twenty of their closet relatives to our shores.
It's mostly unnecessary. It had some use in the late 1990's, right before the "year 2000" scare but today it's just another immigration scam - abused by nearly all.
tomq| 10.5.11 @ 5:36PM
All immigration into the USA should be reduced for the next 10 years at least.
We are not obligated to accept half of Mexico and half of the world. High immigration is a function of big government, of liberalism.
RND| 10.5.11 @ 11:19PM
Just about a little over a month into the new school year....
It would be so refreshing to hear honest small town and public school official reveal the incredible hoops they are having to dive through to accomodate the school-aged children now here from Somalia, Ethopia, Ghana, Nigeria, Liberia....
Whump. Don't look, your town just 85 minutes outside of Atlanta has been selected as THE place for new U.S. immigrant arrivals. 1,400 of them.
Doesn't sound like much? That represents a 18% overnight increase in your town's population.
Kids often with just one parent. No language skills either in the child or parent. The parent is inaccessible in the day because she's up early on a long bus ride into her menial job in Atlanta -- and home late at night.
Kid and his siblings who two months ago were in Africa are on their own. Latch key.
This occurs all the time in U.S. communities and goes without notice. Unreported. No attention given to this. Why?
Mike| 10.5.11 @ 5:38PM
You may be right. However, it seems to me that arguing the point with stats that have been skewed due to immigration policy weakens the argument considerably. The immigration stats only reveal what our historical policy has been (which has favored family ties), not who would immigrate in the absence of significant barriers.
rssg| 10.5.11 @ 6:43PM
Endless LEGAL immigration is really more of a problem then illegal immigration - bad as it is.
What is the purpose of ballooning the US population to half a billion? The political class, both parties, want this. Why?
America doesn't belong to Americans anymore. It's probably too late.
Bob K.| 10.5.11 @ 7:15PM
Because the replacement birthrate to sustain the Social Programs needed for an aging society is not big enough. Abortion is only one of the reasons for this. Our women don't want to have children and our men don't want to raise families.
That is why the political class wants immigration and that is why they won't talk about it either.
Kipling wrote about it in 1919:
"On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller life
(Which started by loving our neighbor and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: 'The Wages of Sin is Death.' "
WJ| 10.5.11 @ 9:08PM
The new people aren't going to continue to fund SS for old white people. It just won't happen. Using that argument is illogical.
Pelligrino| 10.5.11 @ 11:07PM
Bob K. is correct. Fully correct. This is why you see anything but Europeans as you walk through European streets in France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Spain, parts of Greece and Italy. Ditto for the major cities of Britain.
All those people have been willfully granted entry in this vain hope that they will somehow peaceably assimilate, educate their kids well, spend money, and buffer the emptying tax coffers against collapse.
The Eurozone argument heard in Berlin, Madrid, Paris, Rome, and Brussels: "These people from Eastern Europe, North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, the MidEast, Asia buy cars, too. Even if used. And they need petrol to fill the tanks. And they need apartments, food, clothes, shoes. This bolsters our flagging economies even if it is just at the discount stores and groceries.
We do not procreate; they do. Thus, the doors are open to them -- by hook or by crook.
No, in all honesty we don't like them in the least and we don't want them. We destest them. But our welfare state collapses without them.
They are ill-educated and don't esteem education, tend to be lazy, tend toward too much crime. They lack the intelligence to even learn our language correctly. But.... But they make babies."
Those are the words you would hear -- very quietly spoken and only in private, in confidence -- in all the Eurozone capitals by the elites who run the show.
Brittanicus| 10.5.11 @ 9:22PM
NOT JUST FARMERS, AGRICULTURE? IT IS EVERY AMERICAN BUSINESS? SHAME ON YOU!
Pay Farm labor a decent living wage, with health care and education for their family, instead of dumping the illegal labor costs on the taxpayer. Then you will find people desperate for a job, any job will come forward to work the fields. Farmers and giant agricultural consortium’s have been underpaying illegal labor forever and along with all the special subsidies, the same as most business owners. It has been proofed that it only cost a few more cents to the consumer, for vegetable and fruit if labor for the agrarian community pay fair wages for the work done. My grandfather picked apples in Washington State as did other family members. To make ends meet after World War Two, my distant relatives in the English countryside, picked strawberries for the local farmers. Make it a national policy to implement the E-Verify bill (H.R. 2885), identifiable as the “Legal Workforce Act”. Contact your own local Senator or Representative and insist as a voter to your federal politician at 202-224-3121.
This is just not about the farmers; it’s about meat packing plants, factories and manufacturing. Of course they don’t want to employ regular Americans-legal residents. It’s about any company owner—big or small—who wants to pay as little as possible, with no restrictions on as little they want to pay, for a person’s labor. They have violated this ‘Rule of Law’ because there have been no restrictions on prohibitions to stop them, until Lamar Smith’s H.R. 2885. Special interest groups and the radical open border activists, are currently trying to kill the federal ‘Secure Communities’ initiative. Any individual that is apprehended by the police will have their fingerprints forwarded to ICE, Homeland Security and the FBI for processing. Police data-bases can quickly assess who has been previously arrested, whether he/she is an illegal alien or not.
Learn the facts about illegal alien costs, statistics and business corruption at NumbersUSA, Judicial Watch and American Patrol. Make every Business, Company and workplace be committed to E-Verify or face harsh consequences. No business owner, no matter who he is, should think he is above the law. That also is a constant with political figures who own grape plantations in the bread basket of central California. This is not just for Farmers and agriculture but for every business owner, so that we can put every American worker in a job and stop catering to other counties impoverished. Go further and re-enact the "Bracero Project" of 1942 with rules and regulations, arranged so migrants from across the Southern border have easier access to specific jobs. The “Bracero Program” established why the plan proved immeasurably accepted among so many migrants, for whom seasonal labor in the US presented grand opportunities, despite some of the poor conditions they often were confronted with in the fields and camps.
Even under some poor situations they saved money, could buy consumer good, tools or an older vehicle, and returned home with new outlooks and a greater sense of self-respect.
In places as Mexico counselors studied these positive aspects of the economic and cultural effects of bracer project. If they are retained for employment the government must oversee they are treated correctly. They have to be issued a field workers visa that terminates at the end of harvesting and a mandatory return to their own country. Only through an employment office at entry ports can these people be hired and not through third parties or recruited by less than honest business enterprises. If they remain free of any major problems while employed in the U.S., they can renew their visas. As in Mexico—every person is tracked; all the farm and agricultural workers must be tracked, so they cannot decide to drop the job they are allocated to and disappear in the American job market. The "Bracero program" seemed to work very well, until it was dismantled in 1964. Through unfettered fraud millions of illegal aliens and their families have arrived here, after the 1986 Immigration Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA)
Eventually there was an increasing apprehension among businesses owners that the provisions within the guide lines of the program ensured the amplification of costs for the imported labor. This fair program mandated an assured level of wages, housing, food and Health care for the workers (to be paid for by the employers) that kept the standard of living above what many from across the border. Farmers and their associated Agrarian colleagues realized they could elevate their profits, by enjoying the extremely hard work in the fields, by hiring illegal aliens who are now exploited. Agriculture didn’t want to pay for the health care or schooling for their children and other benefits, as in the orderly federal “Bracero program.” They prefer the Taxpayers carry the weight of costs for the labor that they hire. Farmers already receive huge subsidies from the U.S. Government. Simple fact the farmers and all the growers of produce got greedy, for even larger profits.
A new fair migrant worker program will never, ever be possible under the entrenched GOP establishment and many in the Democratic ranks. Illegal Immigration will never end under the elitists Republicans or Democrats who really run the House and Senate. Americans can join forces and stop the overcrowded classroom full of the children of illegal parents. Stop the suffocation in the emergency rooms from foreign nationals crowding the waiting areas. Unable to locate a job; the only reasonable answer is to ‘Self Deport’ and will no longer steal jobs, approved by businesses that hire them. A very large majority of people that come here and fall into a financial backwash owing to the original sponsor, not able to support his immediate or her immediate family members. This becomes a burden to U.S. taxpayers who end up with the yoke of supporting these people through—CHAIN MIGRATION.
Many politicians have their own revenues in the illegal alien labor market. Only the TEA PARTY will stop the pollution that emanates from Washington and the Congress.
L A Stich| 10.6.11 @ 9:08AM
If you're not acquainted with Prof. Norm Matloff's work, you should be:
http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/h1b.html
He has the credentials--personal and professional--to debunk the "H1B" mania.
yisong| 10.25.11 @ 2:10AM
Roller bearing is composed of axial and radial two roller bearing assembly, bearings reduce
volume, simplifies the installation structure, thereby reducing the manufacturing cost.
http://www.1stbearing.com