Since the Chris Christie for president boomlet began, I've
noticed one constant: the commenters on conservative websites seem
notably less enthusiastic about a Christie presidential campaign
than the bloggers, columnists, and reporters covering (and in some
cases, promoting) the possibility. On our own site, I've noticed
less support for Christie than most of the declared Republican
candidates.
Commenters aren't necessarily representative of a publication's
readership, much less the broader conservative movement or the
Republican primary electorate. Yet it is just one small measure of
how much grassroots enthusiasm is out there. After all, it doesn't
take money or organization to leave a supportive comment on a
website.
It's just a reaction by commenters to the breathless
Christie-pushing of outlets like Weekly Standard and, to a lesser
extent, National Review. Over at NRO, for instance, Robert Costa
feels compelled to give daily, seemingly hourly, updates on Chris'
activities, including his trips to the john (slight
exaggeration.)
I wouldn't mind Christie running, but the I'm not sure why
conservative pundits are so hot for him. Chris is a moderate
Republican, to the left of Romney on several issues. If the pundits
want a moderate, why don't they just plug Mitt? He's tied or
beating Obama in the polls already. And he has once again become
the frontrunner for the GOP nom after Perry's embarrassing
implosion.
Oh well, the more the merrier is my mantra. If Chris wants to
run, let him try. Let's have a nice Darwinian search for the best
candidate to take down Barry.
But the pundits' wild enthusiasm is a little humorous.
Casey Abell| 10.3.11 @ 9:40AM
For the weirdest example of Christie-pushing punditry yet, check
today's Jay Cost column in, of course, the Weekly Standard (a.k.a.
Christie-For-President).
Basically, Jay argues that Christie should run for president
because Woodrow Wilson did. I'm not kidding.
Teflon93| 10.3.11 @ 10:08AM
They ARE pushing Romney at NRO. They want Christie in to
polarize the field to the left. The unintended consequence would of
course be that the longer Christie stays in the more votes he draws
from Romney.
Conservatives won't support another "maverick" RINO. We've
learned from 2008.
Casey Abell| 10.3.11 @ 10:58AM
"They ARE pushing Romney at NRO."
Um, no. Romney support is the love that dares not speak its name
at NRO. Fear of RIIIIIINNNNNNOOOOOOOO screams from the commenters -
we've already gotten one holler in this thread - runs rampant.
But Costa's obsessive posts on Christie have become
unintentionally funny. We now know Chris' schedule better than he
may know it himself.
By the way, both Romney and Christie easily hold the GOP vote
(almost unanimously, in fact) in polling matchups against Obama. In
the real world, commenter angst on conservative web sites about
Mitt and Chris means little in the campaign against Barry.
Sparky| 10.3.11 @ 9:34AM
I, for one, am hoping Gov. Christie gets in the race. While I
may be to the right of Christie on environmental and immigration
issues, I believe that he can provide more effective leadership on
the economic issues that will be at the heart of the 2012 election
and the next presidency.
deadite| 10.3.11 @ 9:54AM
I initially was for Cain, but after a few initial foreign policy
remarks that seemed ill thought out, I went with Bachman (who then
became the queen of ill thought out comments). I'm back with Cain,
and am sticking with him. Perry is my last choice after his
incoherent blabbering. Romney would be alright - I think a good
conservative congress could push him in the right direction.
Christie? Didn't join the multistate lawsuit against obama care.
As far as I know, he has no problem with it (which I think is an
unforgiveable sin). Romney would love to dump his attachment to
health care (but doesn't want to flip flop anymore so is just going
to hunker down on the state's rights explanation). But Christie is
not the sort who would be cowed. And if he can't come out and say
obamacare has to go, he shouldn't get in....
Kenny| 10.3.11 @ 10:39AM
Christie is not ready for the presidency, nor is he a
conservative.
And besides, NJ is hardly out of the woods. The state, albeit
improving under Christie, is still a financial mess.
WL| 10.3.11 @ 11:05AM
NO, we don't want him in any more than we want Huntsman guiding
the Republican ship. We are not Far right wing zealots, as
characterized by the media, either. We just want someone we can
follow. We want someone who doesn't turn and fire shots back at us
while pretending to lead us.
Christie has done some good in NJ, but he is NOT leading IN ANY
WAY on the national stage, (at least in a constructive way)
I am not sure who to support anymore, but as soon as I am
convinced that Herman Cain can win...He will get my support...AND,
as he continues on...I am becoming more convinced that he CAN
win....
Romney will fold in the face of adversity...
Perry has disappointed me with his incompetence..
Newt (god love him) can't win...
Bachman can't win... too much "CHOOTZPA" risk.. and wild eyed
newsweek pictures(not her fought, but a real contender would have
the wits to avoid that crap)...and zealous attacks on the Gardacil
issue showed no restraint or coherent strategy...sorry folks....I
LIKE HER TOO...but she can't win....
Huntsman...HE's a Menace.
Santorum...TOO MUCH righteous indignation on issues that should be
left quiet...like Don't ask don't tell...(I agree with him on
it...but that aint the issue that's gonna save the country...sorry
but it aint.)
Palin...I am a huge fan...but I'm on the fence...(she would be the
best president, by the way)
But in closing....NO, we don't want Chris Christie
running...just so he can McCain us again. We need a champion...and
he aint it.
Notes From Under The Bridge| 10.3.11 @ 11:49AM
So then who DO you want? Seems like you've eliminated them
all.
Xavier| 10.3.11 @ 12:20PM
I'm still for Jeb Bush. And, since Elaine Chao wasn't born in
the United States and isn't eligible, I'd be completely happy with
Liz Cheney as the candidate for VP. That team would have a very
"green" aspect, too, since all those Bush-Cheney signs could be
re-used.
NotALibertarian| 10.3.11 @ 11:47AM
Christie is a global-warming patsy, soft on immigration and
creeping sharia, and appears to be agnostic on Obamacare.
You should hear Ann Coulter try to defend him in these areas.
She responds to evidence of all these faults, not with actual
counter-evidence but, by claiming the evidence doesn't prove
anything. Regarding Christie's refusal to join in states suing to
overturn Obamacare in a recent interview with Sean Hannity, Coulter
didn't offer anything Christie has said or done against it, she
just made an excuse for him, guessing that Christie couldn't be
bothered because 20 states were already suing. And how does that
indicate Christie is would repeal Obamacare, exactly?
NotALibertarian| 10.3.11 @ 11:48AM
As Rush said last week, why isn't anyone clamouring for
Rubio?
james wilson| 10.3.11 @ 12:14PM
The parties are the gamesters, but government keeps the
tables....Edmund Burke
Even Reagan did no more than tidy up the tables. He didn't
overturn a single one. Romney, Perry, or Christie are the ones to
digest this latest outrage and make the country safe for one more
lap.
As Tocqueville warned of universal suffrage, the increasingly
helpless citizen would be consoled by thinking that he had chosen
his supervisors. There is not one person in the race who has a plan
to reverse this. Including Ron Paul and his Paultards.
The Tea Parties are honest assemblies who do not claim to know
the answers, but are looking for such platforms and the men to
articulate them. There is that.
JimH| 10.3.11 @ 1:04PM
If one were given to indulging in conspiracy theories, you might
be inclined to believe that Christie is being pushed to run by
elements of the right in order to dilute Romney’s support.
Casey Abell| 10.3.11 @ 2:40PM
"If one were given to indulging in conspiracy theories, you
might be inclined to believe that Christie is being pushed to run
by elements of the right in order to dilute Romney’s support."
That's hardly an unknown theory. Over at Commentary Jonathan
Tobin suggested Christie's entry would be the worst thing that
could happen to Romney. He didn't go on to the conspiracy theory
about the motives of some pundits, but it's an obvious next
step.
I dunno, otherwise it's hard to understand the wild enthusiasm
of the Weekly Standard, in particular, for Christie. Okay, the site
doesn't care much about social issues like abortion and guns. But
they do care a LOT about foreign policy, where Christie has zilch
experience. Nobody can even be certain of his views on foreign
policy issues.
Ben Kabak| 10.3.11 @ 1:50PM
Christie missed his window. He has no path to the nomination
right now. No $. No boots on the ground. It's too late. He cant win
in Iowa so he'd be all in on NH and Florida.
Tom Filkins| 10.3.11 @ 2:09PM
Christie fails on these issues:
gun control
global warming
abortion
gay marriage
immigration
He couldn't win an election even against BHO.
Quartermaster| 10.3.11 @ 8:13PM
A Republic may start with a limited suffrage, as ours did, but
there comes those who will tinker with the franchise and once
universal suffrage is in place, the country is on a death ride.
Reagan didn't even tidy up the tables, and killed none of the
FedGov departments. It needs to be understood that Reagan was not a
conservative. He grew up a Democrat, and never really left that
behind. He wasn't a FDR Dem, but was a Democrat nonetheless. There
has not been a conservative in the White House since Calvin
Coolidge, and the GOP leadership has chills at the thought of a
conservative even getting close. Like it or not, even many on this
blog have problems with the idea. Ron Paul is the closest you will
see in your lifetime, yet you tremble at the thought of him
winning.
You are too used to "right-wing" Democrats and Neocons, and you
confuse them with conservatives. They ain't.
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Casey Abell| 10.3.11 @ 8:52AM
It's just a reaction by commenters to the breathless Christie-pushing of outlets like Weekly Standard and, to a lesser extent, National Review. Over at NRO, for instance, Robert Costa feels compelled to give daily, seemingly hourly, updates on Chris' activities, including his trips to the john (slight exaggeration.)
I wouldn't mind Christie running, but the I'm not sure why conservative pundits are so hot for him. Chris is a moderate Republican, to the left of Romney on several issues. If the pundits want a moderate, why don't they just plug Mitt? He's tied or beating Obama in the polls already. And he has once again become the frontrunner for the GOP nom after Perry's embarrassing implosion.
Oh well, the more the merrier is my mantra. If Chris wants to run, let him try. Let's have a nice Darwinian search for the best candidate to take down Barry.
But the pundits' wild enthusiasm is a little humorous.
Casey Abell| 10.3.11 @ 9:40AM
For the weirdest example of Christie-pushing punditry yet, check today's Jay Cost column in, of course, the Weekly Standard (a.k.a. Christie-For-President).
Basically, Jay argues that Christie should run for president because Woodrow Wilson did. I'm not kidding.
Teflon93| 10.3.11 @ 10:08AM
They ARE pushing Romney at NRO. They want Christie in to polarize the field to the left. The unintended consequence would of course be that the longer Christie stays in the more votes he draws from Romney.
Conservatives won't support another "maverick" RINO. We've learned from 2008.
Casey Abell| 10.3.11 @ 10:58AM
"They ARE pushing Romney at NRO."
Um, no. Romney support is the love that dares not speak its name at NRO. Fear of RIIIIIINNNNNNOOOOOOOO screams from the commenters - we've already gotten one holler in this thread - runs rampant.
But Costa's obsessive posts on Christie have become unintentionally funny. We now know Chris' schedule better than he may know it himself.
By the way, both Romney and Christie easily hold the GOP vote (almost unanimously, in fact) in polling matchups against Obama. In the real world, commenter angst on conservative web sites about Mitt and Chris means little in the campaign against Barry.
Sparky| 10.3.11 @ 9:34AM
I, for one, am hoping Gov. Christie gets in the race. While I may be to the right of Christie on environmental and immigration issues, I believe that he can provide more effective leadership on the economic issues that will be at the heart of the 2012 election and the next presidency.
deadite| 10.3.11 @ 9:54AM
I initially was for Cain, but after a few initial foreign policy remarks that seemed ill thought out, I went with Bachman (who then became the queen of ill thought out comments). I'm back with Cain, and am sticking with him. Perry is my last choice after his incoherent blabbering. Romney would be alright - I think a good conservative congress could push him in the right direction.
Christie? Didn't join the multistate lawsuit against obama care. As far as I know, he has no problem with it (which I think is an unforgiveable sin). Romney would love to dump his attachment to health care (but doesn't want to flip flop anymore so is just going to hunker down on the state's rights explanation). But Christie is not the sort who would be cowed. And if he can't come out and say obamacare has to go, he shouldn't get in....
Kenny| 10.3.11 @ 10:39AM
Christie is not ready for the presidency, nor is he a conservative.
And besides, NJ is hardly out of the woods. The state, albeit improving under Christie, is still a financial mess.
WL| 10.3.11 @ 11:05AM
NO, we don't want him in any more than we want Huntsman guiding the Republican ship. We are not Far right wing zealots, as characterized by the media, either. We just want someone we can follow. We want someone who doesn't turn and fire shots back at us while pretending to lead us.
Christie has done some good in NJ, but he is NOT leading IN ANY WAY on the national stage, (at least in a constructive way)
I am not sure who to support anymore, but as soon as I am convinced that Herman Cain can win...He will get my support...AND, as he continues on...I am becoming more convinced that he CAN win....
Romney will fold in the face of adversity...
Perry has disappointed me with his incompetence..
Newt (god love him) can't win...
Bachman can't win... too much "CHOOTZPA" risk.. and wild eyed newsweek pictures(not her fought, but a real contender would have the wits to avoid that crap)...and zealous attacks on the Gardacil issue showed no restraint or coherent strategy...sorry folks....I LIKE HER TOO...but she can't win....
Huntsman...HE's a Menace.
Santorum...TOO MUCH righteous indignation on issues that should be left quiet...like Don't ask don't tell...(I agree with him on it...but that aint the issue that's gonna save the country...sorry but it aint.)
Palin...I am a huge fan...but I'm on the fence...(she would be the best president, by the way)
But in closing....NO, we don't want Chris Christie running...just so he can McCain us again. We need a champion...and he aint it.
Notes From Under The Bridge| 10.3.11 @ 11:49AM
So then who DO you want? Seems like you've eliminated them all.
Xavier| 10.3.11 @ 12:20PM
I'm still for Jeb Bush. And, since Elaine Chao wasn't born in the United States and isn't eligible, I'd be completely happy with Liz Cheney as the candidate for VP. That team would have a very "green" aspect, too, since all those Bush-Cheney signs could be re-used.
NotALibertarian| 10.3.11 @ 11:47AM
Christie is a global-warming patsy, soft on immigration and creeping sharia, and appears to be agnostic on Obamacare.
You should hear Ann Coulter try to defend him in these areas. She responds to evidence of all these faults, not with actual counter-evidence but, by claiming the evidence doesn't prove anything. Regarding Christie's refusal to join in states suing to overturn Obamacare in a recent interview with Sean Hannity, Coulter didn't offer anything Christie has said or done against it, she just made an excuse for him, guessing that Christie couldn't be bothered because 20 states were already suing. And how does that indicate Christie is would repeal Obamacare, exactly?
NotALibertarian| 10.3.11 @ 11:48AM
As Rush said last week, why isn't anyone clamouring for Rubio?
james wilson| 10.3.11 @ 12:14PM
The parties are the gamesters, but government keeps the tables....Edmund Burke
Even Reagan did no more than tidy up the tables. He didn't overturn a single one. Romney, Perry, or Christie are the ones to digest this latest outrage and make the country safe for one more lap.
As Tocqueville warned of universal suffrage, the increasingly helpless citizen would be consoled by thinking that he had chosen his supervisors. There is not one person in the race who has a plan to reverse this. Including Ron Paul and his Paultards.
The Tea Parties are honest assemblies who do not claim to know the answers, but are looking for such platforms and the men to articulate them. There is that.
JimH| 10.3.11 @ 1:04PM
If one were given to indulging in conspiracy theories, you might be inclined to believe that Christie is being pushed to run by elements of the right in order to dilute Romney’s support.
Casey Abell| 10.3.11 @ 2:40PM
"If one were given to indulging in conspiracy theories, you might be inclined to believe that Christie is being pushed to run by elements of the right in order to dilute Romney’s support."
That's hardly an unknown theory. Over at Commentary Jonathan Tobin suggested Christie's entry would be the worst thing that could happen to Romney. He didn't go on to the conspiracy theory about the motives of some pundits, but it's an obvious next step.
I dunno, otherwise it's hard to understand the wild enthusiasm of the Weekly Standard, in particular, for Christie. Okay, the site doesn't care much about social issues like abortion and guns. But they do care a LOT about foreign policy, where Christie has zilch experience. Nobody can even be certain of his views on foreign policy issues.
Ben Kabak| 10.3.11 @ 1:50PM
Christie missed his window. He has no path to the nomination right now. No $. No boots on the ground. It's too late. He cant win in Iowa so he'd be all in on NH and Florida.
Tom Filkins| 10.3.11 @ 2:09PM
Christie fails on these issues:
gun control
global warming
abortion
gay marriage
immigration
He couldn't win an election even against BHO.
Quartermaster| 10.3.11 @ 8:13PM
A Republic may start with a limited suffrage, as ours did, but there comes those who will tinker with the franchise and once universal suffrage is in place, the country is on a death ride.
Reagan didn't even tidy up the tables, and killed none of the FedGov departments. It needs to be understood that Reagan was not a conservative. He grew up a Democrat, and never really left that behind. He wasn't a FDR Dem, but was a Democrat nonetheless. There has not been a conservative in the White House since Calvin Coolidge, and the GOP leadership has chills at the thought of a conservative even getting close. Like it or not, even many on this blog have problems with the idea. Ron Paul is the closest you will see in your lifetime, yet you tremble at the thought of him winning.
You are too used to "right-wing" Democrats and Neocons, and you confuse them with conservatives. They ain't.
yisong| 10.26.11 @ 2:36AM
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