For a first time out in the circus, Texas Governor Rick Perry
impressed in tonight's Reagan Library debate.
I have no favorites here. Even Congressman Ron Paul, of
whom (ahem), I've been critical, did well. There's a long way to
go. The object is to find the absolute best candidate and remove
President Obama and the disastrous (surprise!) policies that have
failed the country with such dismal if predictable
results.
As someone unfamiliar with Perry?
He was… on first sustained
let's-get-acquainted?
Well… Reaganesque.
A winner? A long time out, though, before we arrive in
that port of call.
But Perry is utterly not the image the left-wing media has
been trying so hard to paint. He was substantive, thoughtful yet
pointed.
Specifically, he reminded of Reagan in the Reagan-Carter
debate, where the challenge was almost the same: a candidate
proving he wasn't some sort of crazed cowboy.
Mission accomplished.
Which in turn says… the liberal media has reason to be
concerned about Governor Perry.
Would this have anything to do with left-wing media
hysteria over Perry?
Interesting how, instead of discussing the validity of someone's
ideas, your first instinct to determine whether or not you approve
of them in a general sense is to compare them to a personal
authority figure. You're like a young child who knows no other
manner of obtaining belief and opinion about the world around him
than blind obedience and submission to Daddy.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 12:34AM
Once again, for someone using the Name of God, you sure don't
know Him.
Because if you did, you'd know that He purposely arranged it for
little children to learn about belief in both God and what is good
or evil, from their Daddies.
Maybe you didn't have such a Dad. I pity you. You need to learn
of the true God and eternal life.
God| 9.8.11 @ 12:40AM
Margie, stop being a false Christian and going around
proclaiming the name of a God whose commandments you consistently
and clearly violate.
God doesn't want you to be lazy and to have blind faith in a
political party or person who lords his or her meaningless and
arbitrary sense of authority over you.
You are a false Christian, Margie. I will pray for your
soul.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 12:42AM
God does not listen to the so called prayer of other false gods,
sorry.
God| 9.8.11 @ 12:58AM
Your evil, hypocritical, deceitful, slothful ways are unbecoming
of the saved, Margie.
May the Lord have mercy upon you, and may you one day come to
repent and be washed clean with the blood of the Lamb. You know not
the extent of your sins, Margie, but God knows all and you will one
day be judged for your crimes against your brothers and
sisters.
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 1:17AM
Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
Your phony pompous ass forgot about that one, eh?
God| 9.8.11 @ 1:23AM
As angry and desperate as you must be, Simon, it's surprising to
see the product of your efforts fall so far short of
significance.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.8.11 @ 8:00AM
Goody,
Margie is just like the rest of us Christians... a sinner saved by
Grace.
I'm gonna' sin now: Kiss my nether parts. She is a good woman. Go
pick up the "stone" you threw.
Mimi| 9.8.11 @ 8:33AM
We forgive you ! BRAVO !!
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 11:51AM
Get behind me, Satan!
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 12:04PM
Well, you should know as you have been undermining them since
day one.
We also know how the story ends with you in the lake of fire
forever..forever vanquished and put away.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:43PM
Evidence?
Oh, right, your beliefs, both religious and political, are
nothing more than anti-intellectual sentiments. Evidence and
rational thought are irrelevant to your worldview.
beebop| 9.8.11 @ 5:07AM
I think "false Christian" is way out of line. You are
disgusting. And? I doubt if you actually know what a soul is.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:42PM
You're a false Christian, beebop.
"Ye shall know them by their fruits".
Your fruits are rotten, beebop. You are an atrocious sinner and
a false prophet. You will burn in hell forever.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 7:58PM
First of all, use G-d. I always do.
Second, stop pickin' on the ladies. Only a lowlife picks on the
ladies. Especially two of my favorites.
Joseph| 9.8.11 @ 10:45PM
Why us G-d instead of God.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:45AM
Dear Joseph,
Read the ten commandments and find out why.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:30PM
Picking on the ladies is fun, Occam's Tool, you faggy little
shit ;) .
Your not safe just because you have a gaping cunt, Occam's.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:44AM
Shut up, Clint.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:46AM
By the way, Ba'al---it's "you're not safe."
Sean| 9.8.11 @ 9:35AM
Margie is just an anti-Catholic bigot.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 4:49PM
LOL. Actaully, Catholicism is extremely bigoted against Bible
believing Christians.
If you recall, they tortured and put them to death for about 600
years.
Why? Because they refused to acknowledge the unbiblical false
teachings of the Papists.
Are you representing the Religion, Sean?
Seems to me an awful lot of your ilk does here.
I wonder why.
God| 9.8.11 @ 4:52PM
In the name of our Holy Father, begone thou whore of
Babylon!!!!
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 12:29PM
Hey, GODLESS,
I read again your comment:
"Interesting how, instead of discussing the validity of someone's
ideas, your first instinct to determine whether or not you approve
of them in a general sense is to compare them to a personal
authority figure. You're like a young child who knows no other
manner of obtaining belief and opinion about the world around him
than blind obedience and submission to Daddy."
LOL. Wow. TOTAL PROJECTION. JUST LIKE A LIBERAL. It really is
amazing.
You are exactly describing yourself and your blind obedience and
worship of all things Ron Paul to a tee, your personal authority
figure on everything.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:40PM
You didn't even defend yourself, dumbshit. You just talked past
the accusation in order to avoid even thinking about it.
Typical religious moron, raised to be a submissive little shit
to pastors and politicians. Disgusting.
Simon Templar| 9.11.11 @ 10:58AM
Jackasses who use the name of God as a moniker, quote from
scripture like Satan, mock religion while using religion to make
their inane points, spew their filthy mouth with explicatives, and
live in intellectual glass houses really should not throw stones.
Now, that is the definition of disgusting.
Bob K.| 9.7.11 @ 11:44PM
Reaganesque? Are we going to read about this now from all you
pundits when you talk of Perry? Is this the best you can do? Can't
he run on his own merits?
God| 9.8.11 @ 1:38AM
Yes, Bob, it is the absolute best that they can do. Rather than
discussing the relevant issues at hand that will determine the very
fate of our decaying country, appealing to the submissive nature of
their audience that screams "Lead me!!!!" by equating a candidate
with a party idol is the most they have to offer.
More sad is the fact that, on many, this emotional appeal will
work flawlessly.
PCC| 9.7.11 @ 11:44PM
Forget the psychobabble, I agree with Mr. Lord.
I've been skeptical of Perry from the beginning and have held a
slightly negative view of him for no particular reason.
He spoke sensibly and well in the debate this evening and I'm
now much more comfortable with him.
The GOP has got some fine candidates, any number of whom can
defeat Obama, and one of whom will.
Let's not tear ourselves apart too much in the primary process,
and let's keep our eye on defeating Obama in 2012.
DRed| 9.7.11 @ 11:48PM
Good luck taking Florida with a candidate who will be painted as
wanting to get rid of social security.
beebop| 9.8.11 @ 5:10AM
He is not talking about getting rid of anything. If you listened
he was merely stating the obvious.
And Ron Paul? I'm from Ohio so we know kooks (Dennis the Menace,
anyone?) But how people actually come to take him seriously?
Why did Michelle Bachman never look at the others on the dias?
She stared straight ahead and was only engaged when she was
answering questions. I found it very unsettling.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 4:52PM
Greetings from a soon to be fellow Ohioan, beebop!
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 12:34AM
Well said, PCC! I'm with you.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:00PM
By the way, with regards to the HPV virus--- 70 percent of
Cervical cancers are related to infection with this virus. My
daughter is getting the vaccination as soon as it is appropriate
for her to do so.
Wayne| 9.7.11 @ 11:53PM
All the GOP candidates are stupid idiots who will destroy the
planet! Don't you people watch the news and read the papers?
Spartanfan| 9.8.11 @ 12:01AM
You forgot your "Sarcasm" notation...
John Barton| 9.7.11 @ 11:55PM
The truth is that the liberals are hoping, even praying (if they
prayed) that Perry will be the nominee. With the economy as bad as
it is, it is the only real shot they have of getting Obama back in
the White House.
Perry is a general election dream come true for the Democrats. He's
perfect for the far right, but way too extreme for the voters in
the all important swing states-Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado,
Virginia, and similar states where people actually read
occasionally. And now, he's probably finished in Florida where
those old voters actually take their social security pretty
seriously. I don't think even the Republicans are inept enough to
nominate this former cheerleader (oh, I forgot so was George W.)
with a D+ grade point average from a second-rate school (Texas A
& M) who believes the earth was formed 6,000 years ago, social
security is a Ponzi scheme, and US senators shouldn't be elected by
the voters. This guy carries a lot of really heavy political
baggage-and the Dems will beat him over the head with it at every
turn.
I hope Barton is aware of what a Ponzi scheme is. The name
perfectly describes Social Security as it was set up by Roosevelt
and his advisers. They planned it as a Ponzi scheme from the start,
and only a sequence of tax increases have kept it from going
under.
Now whether we should SAY it's a Ponzi scheme is another matter,
I admit.
beebop| 9.8.11 @ 5:12AM
Where exactly are obama's grades? They have had four years to
sneak them into the computer to replace the "incompletes" -- the
college version of voting "present." Fact is, you only think 0bama
is smart because the media tells you he is. He has shown absoltely
zero evidence that he is.
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 10:42AM
Re Social Security, as a still working and paying in recipient,
it IS and was designed as a Ponzi scheme! To add insult to injury
it was expanded to cover the disabled and dependents. Now it has
been raided to fund other priorities. In that we are MORE than
Taxed Enough Already, to say it can be "fixed" borders on naive. I
noted last year the progressives generated some reaction from the
youth, by intimating that the old people were robbing them and
needed to be gotten out of the way. It resonated for a while and
then got shut down. Don't be surprised if it resurfaces. It is in
"Senior's" interests, as well as the interests of youth and the
Nation to pull this issue into the light of day and get it
addressed. Ryan's budget put one approach on the table. In view of
our advancing Budgetary/DEBT crisis the sooner real solutions are
generated the better!
To say there are more moneys/revenues that can be readily
generated to address Social Security's expanding shortfalls would
be reprehensible!
Mike 3/505| 9.7.11 @ 11:56PM
I was extremely gratified to hear a top tier presidential
candidate say what I have been saying for years...Social Security
is a Ponzi Scheme! Huzzah!
Regards,
Mike
Clint| 9.8.11 @ 12:01AM
Dr. Ron Paul said: “You know, the governor of Texas [Perry]
criticized the governor of Massachusetts [Romney] for RomneyCare.
But he wrote a really fancy letter supporting HillaryCare. So we
probably ought to ask him about that.”
The Letter:
"In a letter to Clinton, who is now U.S. Secretary of State,
Perry wrote: “I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s
health care system are most commendable.”
“I would like to request that the task force give particular
consideration to the needs of the nation’s farmers, ranchers, and
agriculture workers, and other members of rural communities,” Perry
continued, noting his administration’s focus on economic
development for rural Texans. “Rural populations have a high
proportion of uninsured people, rising health care costs, and often
experience lack of services.”
“Again, your efforts are worthy,” Perry concluded, ”and I hope
you will remember this constituency as the task force
progresses.”
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 10:54AM
As the newly elected Agricultural Commissioner, that said
Commissioner would call the attention of the then Administration to
request they be sure to address the needs of his constituency is
commendable.
To assume he was aware, at the point he wrote the letter in
question, of what Clinton's actual goals were - that HillaryCare
would be similar to the ObamaCare socialized healthcare nightmare
that has been foisted upon us, is too much of a stretch to be
credible!
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 10:54AM
As the newly elected Agricultural Commissioner, that said
Commissioner would call the attention of the then Administration to
request they be sure to address the needs of his constituency is
commendable.
To assume he was aware, at the point he wrote the letter in
question, of what Clinton's actual goals were - that HillaryCare
would be similar to the ObamaCare socialized healthcare nightmare
that has been foisted upon us, is too much of a stretch to be
credible!
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 10:54AM
As the newly elected Agricultural Commissioner, that said
Commissioner would call the attention of the then Administration to
request they be sure to address the needs of his constituency is
commendable.
To assume he was aware, at the point he wrote the letter in
question, of what Clinton's actual goals were - that HillaryCare
would be similar to the ObamaCare socialized healthcare nightmare
that has been foisted upon us, is too much of a stretch to be
credible!
I was unimpressed by Perry, finding him weaker than expected. He
showed little intellectual heft nor was he grounded in a solid
political philosophy. His responses to criticisms and attacks
tended to be weakly reasoned and all too snarky.
Gingrich did a good job, and will make some President a fine
adviser.
Santorum did fairly well although his choice of arguments depended
too much on what he did in the past, and this election is about the
future.
Huntsman improved from last time, no longer rating a negative
number. Still a jerk, however.
Bachmann looks less impressive with each exposure, but maybe that's
just me.
Cain was solid, but lucky that few questions were about military of
foreign policy.
Ron Paul was not too bad except when he brought up the fantasy
about the fence keeping us in. What a goof!
Romney steadily maintained his conservative and highly-presidential
persona. My only regret is that I know it's a facade.
God| 9.8.11 @ 1:03AM
On the contrary, Ron Paul appears to be the only candidate aware
of the extent to which government power has been abused not only
throughout human history, but within the last century. That, or
he's the only candidate capable of forming a political stance
grounded in reality and rational analysis.
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 1:20AM
Ok, I understand who you are..another Paulbot with a hatred for
religion.
God| 9.8.11 @ 1:27AM
Oh, that's right, you're another neo-con who bows down and
worships those who claim dominion over you, so long as they're
wearing a suit and tie and make you feel all warm and fuzzy
inside.
Your fear is expected given your misology, Simon.
beebop| 9.8.11 @ 5:13AM
Paul is an angry old man. I would rather sit home than vote for
him.
Ryan| 9.8.11 @ 9:18AM
Paulbots worship Ron Paul in the same way...if not moreso.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:51PM
Really? Pretty sure you're just a moron, because, from what I've
seen, people who support Ron Paul do so out of rational,
calculated, educated action. They actually have concrete
ideological reasons for trying to get the man in the white house,
unlike the neo-con idiots whose entire decision process is based on
blind faith and emotion.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:02PM
Shut up, Clint.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:41PM
Who the hell is Clint?
Anyways, such an expression of your mindless, animalistic, and
hilarious rage is quite expected. Even on matters that should be
decided by rational thought, your simian emotional reactions
compose the most complex of your analytical processes.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:14PM
Do you have enough commas in the first sentence, Ba'al?
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:37PM
Occam's, sweetie pie, are you such an imbecile that the use of
multiple commas --a simple, standard, useful piece of punctuation--
adds a level of grammatical complexity to a sentence that makes it
incomprehensible to your feeble and simple mind?
You're clearly desperate to respond to me. What's unexpected is
that your chosen line of defense, even when empowered by your
desperation and need, is to outright imply that your stupidity is
as extreme as it appears upon first impression.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:48AM
No. It just demonstrates a lack of clear logic on your part to
use unnecessarily complex sentences.
Think of my name, Clint.
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 12:16PM
You are just another liberal retard dressed up as a conservative
who thinks and expresses himself EXACTLY like a liberal. The 'God'
moniker is perfect.
It inflates your liberal egomania and mocks religion at the same
time. Very cute.
You have no arguments but cute little quips, idiotic sarcasms,
and name calling. Just like the progressive you are.
Yeah, fear. Another typical liberal ploy. Anyone who disagrees
with you has one form of phobia or another. Bowing down? You really
need to get off your knees and quit doing Ron Paul.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:46PM
You don't recognize the irony contained within the fact that the
entire statement you just wrote was nothing more than a chihuahua's
snarl all the while criticizing your opponent for what you perceive
to be a lack of argument?
God hates you, Simon Faggot. Your stupidity is as repulsive to
him as it is to us.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 4:56PM
The god you serve is yourself, and none other. Take the capital
G out of the Name you do such a dishonor to.
No one has ever fared well speaking as you do toward the true God
and those that belong to Him.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:42PM
Whore of Babylon, go back to the lake of fire from whence you
came!! Crawl back into the ass of your father Satan and assume your
natural fetal position!!!
Simon Templar| 9.11.11 @ 11:02AM
You really are a sick person. Get some help and get off this
blog.
aware| 9.8.11 @ 6:35AM
"Religion" won't save you at the last trumpet, bud. It is
nothing but the latest Tower of Babel. Man's attempt to reach God.
It has already been struck with different "languages" and is
falling apart. It offers "superficial treatments for my people's
mortal wounds" and "scatters my sheep on dark and stormy
nights".
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 12:19PM
Take your meds and go back to your room. Your social time in the
TV room is finished.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:45PM
lol, a pussified little retard who calls himself a "Templar" is
trying to make a joke about mental patients.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:04PM
Simon Templar, "The Saint." It's a joke. Anyone who knows
ANYTHING knows it's a joke. I pointed it out to him in the first
response I wrote him. It's not about the Knight Templars, silly
fool.
Again, shut up, Clint.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:50PM
Occam's Tool, you mutilated afterbirth, your attempts to join
the discussion to save your brethren from being burnt and consumed
by the fires of logic and truth are sincerely appreciated.
You assume that enough morons saying enough moronic things is
sure to be an effective tactic. While your contribution is sure to
be a successful manner of carrying out the above plan, the result,
even in the most perfectly executed of circumstances on your part,
is actually nothing more than an increase in the amount of mental
dessert for me. Psychologically, you are making me very fat and
happy. Watching you dance upon the coals until you fall and write
in agony is an absolute pleasure :) .
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:49AM
Let me know when you find an argument, Ba'al.
W| 9.8.11 @ 12:37PM
"God"
Does this mean God is endorsing Ron Paul? How about for
VP?
More importantly, by how many points will the Steelers beat the
Ravens this Sunday. Please respond ASAP, time is of the
essence.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:56PM
W,
You will know in time, my son.
W| 9.8.11 @ 4:07PM
Not good enough.
You are not God.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:52PM
I have made you a weak and helpless idiot for a reason, W. Do
not curse my name for this design, as you are part of a divine
plan. Do not envy your brothers and sisters for their clear general
superiority over you, as I am deliberate in my creation.
Simon Templar| 9.11.11 @ 11:06AM
(And don't feed the trolls!)
I think we all have learned the true meaning of this. Go away
sick person..get some help.
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 11:04AM
I recognize one's assessments depend on one's own philosophies.
On the other hand it is shortsighted to underestimate those with
whom you evidently disagree ... in fact a bit old line elitist.
Governor/Candidate Perry has received kudos for his monetary
assessment acumen from credible sources:
wsj - Perry's Public Service
Behold, a hard-money Texas politician
“The real news ...(is)...the substance and politics of Mr. Perry's
demarche. Here we have a Presidential candidate, a Texas populist
no less, laying out a position in favor of sound money. This is a
bear walking on its hind legs. The ghosts of Wright Patman and
Henry B. Gonzalez are howling in the Hill Country.
PULL QUOTE from Perry’s Red-Hot Bernanke Slam, A Commentary By
Lawrence Kudlow: So it turns out that Governor Perry -- even with
his overly strong language -- is a pretty sharp economic and
monetary analyst.
Don't sell his capacities short!
Clint| 9.8.11 @ 12:32AM
We Were Set Up By The Ruling Elite & Their Media
Apparatchiks For Their Romney/Perry Agenda.
This Is Why There Is A Tea Party Rebellion.
Rise Up In Rebellion.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 12:41AM
Mr. Lord,
I agree with you about Perry. In fact, my Dad, a life long
Democrat who is in favor of the death penalty, respects honest,
upfront men. He says he will always vote for Dems in the local
elections, but he will vote for a Republican President.
I do believe Rick Perry is someone he would cast his vote
for.
He abhors Obama, and he abhorred Clinton, too.
Well done, Mr. Perry.
Scott| 9.8.11 @ 4:19AM
While Perry gave some good answers, that painfully awful
response on climate change has me dreading the thought of Perry
being the nominee. He had to know that was coming and yet he was
utterly unprepared for it and looked like a complete incompetent.
One response like that in a debate with Obama and we're getting
four more years. I don't think we should risk it.
Bob Grant| 9.8.11 @ 9:06AM
I completely agree. Not only was his initial response the the
Global Warming question disastrous, he chose to re-visit the
question a few minutes later with the EXACT disastrous
response.
This clearly was the weak point for him. His record/history of
climate change and alternative energy as Governor is all over the
place; it's very inconsistent. He is a huge supporter of wind farm
subsidies and other green technologies so he can, if he chooses,
position himself as a supporter of alternative energy under certain
circumstances and doesn't have to appear as some troglodyte on the
issue.
Politically speaking, he does not handle this issue well.
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 11:26AM
Having been unable to hear the full discussion, I would advance
the contention that there is global warming (any more than a few
years ago it was global cooling), anthropogenic or otherwise has
been effectively discredited.
We need to be taking steps to facilitate continuing Commercially
Viable Energy operations today!
My understanding is that Texas has been meeting acceptable air
quality standards, albeit not the way the EPA dictates.
That Texas has in place standard energy sources and alternative
("Green") energy sources should be heartening to both camps.
I have been opposing Tax/Rate Payer funding (for the next 25
years) of Wind Power in my State. There is no excuse, particularly
in the present economic circumstances, to forcibly/legislatively
saddle State tax AND Rate Payers with the cost of (read profits to
favored "investors") energy, that would readily available from more
cost effective sources!
NO ONE who "believes - ?" in these "Green" scams can hope to get
my vote!
aware| 9.8.11 @ 6:25AM
"Mission accomplished."
Where have I heard that before? Yeah, Perry is certainly a
superior Statist to your former love Santorum. No wonder he wowed
you. But I thought your attack dog was supposed to tear Paul apart.
Disappointed?
martin j smith| 9.8.11 @ 7:56AM
I did not watch the debate but have heard many views on it. My
main problem is having a MSM pro-Socialist media ) manage it. Sorry
but I think that is a bad idea but no matter. The issue of r me is
to produce a winner against Obama and it will not be based on one
,two or whatever debates. It will depend on someone not sounding
like a "bumper sticker". The best thing would be for debates to be
hosted by TALK RADIO HOSTS.
Another point is these debates should not have the purpose of each
candidates "killing off" each other and ultimately lead to their
total destruction
at our expense.
I have no favorite but am skeptical of all. I WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT
VOTE FOR RON PAUL--voting for him is like voting for Obama at least
on national security and foreign affairs--he is OUT.
The question is to watch how the media ( MSM as well as
conservatives so to speak ) distort or in other ways spin this
debate. This will give us a clue as to what manipulation games are
going on.
Realistically in the end we will get who we get but it might be
worth while when primaries come around to be more organized as o
who to lean towards if there is agreement or at least to lean
against. Can we see thru the manipulation and vote our will-? Time
will tell.
Clint| 9.8.11 @ 8:14AM
Perry is a plastic opportunist, who is now parroting what Dr.Ron
Paul has been saying for years.
Are you still in favor of abolishing Social Security?
Dr.Ron Paul,
A: Yes, but not overnight. As a matter of fact, my program’s the
only one that is going to be able to take care of the elderly. I’d
like to get the young people out of it, just the younger
generation, because there’s no money there, and they’re going to
have to pay 50 years and they’re not going to get anything. I’d
take care of all the elderly, all those who are dependent, but I
would save the money from this wild spending overseas.
Source: 2008 GOP debate in Boca Raton Florida Jan 24, 2008
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:05PM
Nice comment considering he was 75 at the time. Foreign aid is
about 3 percent of the budget.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:53PM
Both sentences are completely irrelevant to the statement you
were responding to, Occam's.
Don't give in to your cowardly nature and run from this
conversation. Your stupidity paired with your anguish pleases
me.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:51AM
75---qualifies for Medicare. Pay for it by eliminating overseas
spending---overseas spending is too small a part of the budget to
do that.
Try to keep up, Ba'al. My mind encompasses yours, as yours is
but 302 neurons in size.
JimH| 9.8.11 @ 8:31AM
I did not see the whole thing so I may have missed significant
parts. From what I did see, if I had no prior knowledge of any of
the candidates I’d say that Newt impressed me the most, with Cain
second. If Cain is not nominated he ought to be VP or at least have
a significant role in the campaign. I thought Huntsman was doing
well until he started blathering about how we ought to believe the
scientists. Bachmann was toned down and had her facts straight. I
think Paul spoke as well as can be expected in this format. He does
not thrive amidst short sound bites. Unfortunately appearances
count for a lot on TV and Paul does not come across well. Perry and
Romney are almost too good looking. Romney spoke well, but he looks
like Metroman from the movie Megamind. I think Perry in terms of
appearance and persona is the closest thing we are likely to have
to the Gipper. Pretty much all the candidates would do well to say
less in their allotted times, rather than try to rapidly blurt
their answers. When reading the replies it may be ok but it doesn’t
look good on TV. As Newt said they were all much better than the
current resident of the White House.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 5:03PM
I love Herman Cain. LOL, have I said that before?
I will settle for Rick Perry though. :^).
Michele is wonderful too.
Newt COULD make a great President if he carried out his righteous
conservative ideas.. but too many people have already rejected him,
I think. I would happily cast my vote for him.
Romney, not so much. NO to Ron Paul and/or that other guy.
Last but not least~ Rick Santorum is GREAT too.
Face it folks, we have all the good guys on our side!!
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:07PM
As Margie put it, except for the potheads and pothead supporters
(Paul, and the Clown from New Mexico), I like the Republican
candidates. I would prefer Michele, but the others are acceptable,
except as noted.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:55PM
Of course you would prefer Michele. The other men scare you with
their perfectly-normal masculine qualities, but Michele, although
you look to her both as your patriarch and your matriarch, seems
softer and less likely to make you insecure with her presence.
Quit being redundant, Occam's.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:52AM
Leave the analyzing of motives to the professionals, Ba'al.
Jake| 9.8.11 @ 12:25PM
Governor Perry was composed and despite having to deal with the
devastating wildfires ,
he clearly arrived ready for the debate.
Perry could not be cowed by the moderators
and the meme of the liberal press.
An example was when Perry discussed Barack Obama's breezy
declaration that the border at El Paso was safer than ever.
Perry's retort that Obama either had awful intel or was an abject
liar was hilarious.
Perry's stand up response to Brian William's hand wringing
execution question was superb.
Perry told the truth about Social Security and
stressed that without reform,
it won't be there for the younger workers.
Romney and Perry did not take the NBC bait and attack each other
and in fact,
both had moments of respectful
graciousness towards each other.
Newt is a smart policy wonk with too much personal baggage , but,
he adds to the discourse.
Bachmann seemed slightly lost , but, she also
adds to the discussion
The rest-not so much.
Especially cranky Ron Paul.
The biggest loser last night was
Barack Obama .
The thought of running against either Perry or Romney should be
giving him sleepless nights.
You have got to be kidding promoting Perry as Reagan-anything.
His record of big government violatons of the rule of law have
Regan spinning in his grave.
When I first started reading comments on this site, I was
impressed by the thoughtful people posting here. This has become
nothing but a war of words between mainly juvenile, insulting,
profane and silly posters. Not worth my time. Seems like many of
you don't have enough to do.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:59PM
Agreed, Mary. Occam's is a juvenile, silly, cowardly,
submissive, and repulsive idiot.
I apologize for his existence, as would his parents and the
doctor who delivered him were they were to comment.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:12PM
Mary:
I'm sorry about my more juvenile comments. Writing on a site
that has Clint on it is problematic. They banned him as Tim.* Why
they let him come back as "Clint" I have no idea.
However, bounce a reasonable comment and you will see many
thoughtful posters---Ken, Margie, Simon, John II, STUART KOEHL (the
real deal), RCV, Con Chef, Nick, Al Adab, Irish 19, Mike Tomlinson,
and many more. Don't give up on us simply because I'm a silly
ass.
Joseph| 9.8.11 @ 10:49PM
Mary, anyone who is for Israel is good for Occam Tool, doesn't
matter what else they say.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:53AM
Not true. Don't care for Dershowitz.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:58PM
Christ, Occam's, you are one unbelievable pussy. Apologizing to
a bunch of strangers for something you deliberately did less than a
few minutes ago, and will continue to do some more?
In other words, you're not even a strong enough human being to
fall in line with your own standards. Even when you feel ashamed of
your behavior, you're too weak to resist it.
Both by your own as well as everyone else's standards, you are a
disgusting failure and an absolute abomination of evolution.
God| 9.7.11 @ 11:21PM
Interesting how, instead of discussing the validity of someone's ideas, your first instinct to determine whether or not you approve of them in a general sense is to compare them to a personal authority figure. You're like a young child who knows no other manner of obtaining belief and opinion about the world around him than blind obedience and submission to Daddy.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 12:34AM
Once again, for someone using the Name of God, you sure don't know Him.
Because if you did, you'd know that He purposely arranged it for little children to learn about belief in both God and what is good or evil, from their Daddies.
Maybe you didn't have such a Dad. I pity you. You need to learn of the true God and eternal life.
God| 9.8.11 @ 12:40AM
Margie, stop being a false Christian and going around proclaiming the name of a God whose commandments you consistently and clearly violate.
God doesn't want you to be lazy and to have blind faith in a political party or person who lords his or her meaningless and arbitrary sense of authority over you.
You are a false Christian, Margie. I will pray for your soul.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 12:42AM
God does not listen to the so called prayer of other false gods, sorry.
God| 9.8.11 @ 12:58AM
Your evil, hypocritical, deceitful, slothful ways are unbecoming of the saved, Margie.
May the Lord have mercy upon you, and may you one day come to repent and be washed clean with the blood of the Lamb. You know not the extent of your sins, Margie, but God knows all and you will one day be judged for your crimes against your brothers and sisters.
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 1:17AM
Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
Your phony pompous ass forgot about that one, eh?
God| 9.8.11 @ 1:23AM
As angry and desperate as you must be, Simon, it's surprising to see the product of your efforts fall so far short of significance.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.8.11 @ 8:00AM
Goody,
Margie is just like the rest of us Christians... a sinner saved by Grace.
I'm gonna' sin now: Kiss my nether parts. She is a good woman. Go pick up the "stone" you threw.
Mimi| 9.8.11 @ 8:33AM
We forgive you ! BRAVO !!
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 11:51AM
Get behind me, Satan!
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 12:04PM
Well, you should know as you have been undermining them since day one.
We also know how the story ends with you in the lake of fire forever..forever vanquished and put away.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:43PM
Evidence?
Oh, right, your beliefs, both religious and political, are nothing more than anti-intellectual sentiments. Evidence and rational thought are irrelevant to your worldview.
beebop| 9.8.11 @ 5:07AM
I think "false Christian" is way out of line. You are disgusting. And? I doubt if you actually know what a soul is.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:42PM
You're a false Christian, beebop.
"Ye shall know them by their fruits".
Your fruits are rotten, beebop. You are an atrocious sinner and a false prophet. You will burn in hell forever.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 7:58PM
First of all, use G-d. I always do.
Second, stop pickin' on the ladies. Only a lowlife picks on the ladies. Especially two of my favorites.
Joseph| 9.8.11 @ 10:45PM
Why us G-d instead of God.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:45AM
Dear Joseph,
Read the ten commandments and find out why.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:30PM
Picking on the ladies is fun, Occam's Tool, you faggy little shit ;) .
Your not safe just because you have a gaping cunt, Occam's.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:44AM
Shut up, Clint.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:46AM
By the way, Ba'al---it's "you're not safe."
Sean| 9.8.11 @ 9:35AM
Margie is just an anti-Catholic bigot.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 4:49PM
LOL. Actaully, Catholicism is extremely bigoted against Bible believing Christians.
If you recall, they tortured and put them to death for about 600 years.
Why? Because they refused to acknowledge the unbiblical false teachings of the Papists.
Are you representing the Religion, Sean?
Seems to me an awful lot of your ilk does here.
I wonder why.
God| 9.8.11 @ 4:52PM
In the name of our Holy Father, begone thou whore of Babylon!!!!
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 12:29PM
Hey, GODLESS,
I read again your comment:
"Interesting how, instead of discussing the validity of someone's ideas, your first instinct to determine whether or not you approve of them in a general sense is to compare them to a personal authority figure. You're like a young child who knows no other manner of obtaining belief and opinion about the world around him than blind obedience and submission to Daddy."
LOL. Wow. TOTAL PROJECTION. JUST LIKE A LIBERAL. It really is amazing.
You are exactly describing yourself and your blind obedience and worship of all things Ron Paul to a tee, your personal authority figure on everything.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:40PM
You didn't even defend yourself, dumbshit. You just talked past the accusation in order to avoid even thinking about it.
Typical religious moron, raised to be a submissive little shit to pastors and politicians. Disgusting.
Simon Templar| 9.11.11 @ 10:58AM
Jackasses who use the name of God as a moniker, quote from scripture like Satan, mock religion while using religion to make their inane points, spew their filthy mouth with explicatives, and live in intellectual glass houses really should not throw stones. Now, that is the definition of disgusting.
Bob K.| 9.7.11 @ 11:44PM
Reaganesque? Are we going to read about this now from all you pundits when you talk of Perry? Is this the best you can do? Can't he run on his own merits?
God| 9.8.11 @ 1:38AM
Yes, Bob, it is the absolute best that they can do. Rather than discussing the relevant issues at hand that will determine the very fate of our decaying country, appealing to the submissive nature of their audience that screams "Lead me!!!!" by equating a candidate with a party idol is the most they have to offer.
More sad is the fact that, on many, this emotional appeal will work flawlessly.
PCC| 9.7.11 @ 11:44PM
Forget the psychobabble, I agree with Mr. Lord.
I've been skeptical of Perry from the beginning and have held a slightly negative view of him for no particular reason.
He spoke sensibly and well in the debate this evening and I'm now much more comfortable with him.
The GOP has got some fine candidates, any number of whom can defeat Obama, and one of whom will.
Let's not tear ourselves apart too much in the primary process, and let's keep our eye on defeating Obama in 2012.
DRed| 9.7.11 @ 11:48PM
Good luck taking Florida with a candidate who will be painted as wanting to get rid of social security.
beebop| 9.8.11 @ 5:10AM
He is not talking about getting rid of anything. If you listened he was merely stating the obvious.
And Ron Paul? I'm from Ohio so we know kooks (Dennis the Menace, anyone?) But how people actually come to take him seriously?
Why did Michelle Bachman never look at the others on the dias? She stared straight ahead and was only engaged when she was answering questions. I found it very unsettling.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 4:52PM
Greetings from a soon to be fellow Ohioan, beebop!
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 12:34AM
Well said, PCC! I'm with you.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:00PM
By the way, with regards to the HPV virus--- 70 percent of Cervical cancers are related to infection with this virus. My daughter is getting the vaccination as soon as it is appropriate for her to do so.
Wayne| 9.7.11 @ 11:53PM
All the GOP candidates are stupid idiots who will destroy the planet! Don't you people watch the news and read the papers?
Spartanfan| 9.8.11 @ 12:01AM
You forgot your "Sarcasm" notation...
John Barton| 9.7.11 @ 11:55PM
The truth is that the liberals are hoping, even praying (if they prayed) that Perry will be the nominee. With the economy as bad as it is, it is the only real shot they have of getting Obama back in the White House.
Perry is a general election dream come true for the Democrats. He's perfect for the far right, but way too extreme for the voters in the all important swing states-Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado, Virginia, and similar states where people actually read occasionally. And now, he's probably finished in Florida where those old voters actually take their social security pretty seriously. I don't think even the Republicans are inept enough to nominate this former cheerleader (oh, I forgot so was George W.) with a D+ grade point average from a second-rate school (Texas A & M) who believes the earth was formed 6,000 years ago, social security is a Ponzi scheme, and US senators shouldn't be elected by the voters. This guy carries a lot of really heavy political baggage-and the Dems will beat him over the head with it at every turn.
Dai Alanye| 9.8.11 @ 12:12AM
I hope Barton is aware of what a Ponzi scheme is. The name perfectly describes Social Security as it was set up by Roosevelt and his advisers. They planned it as a Ponzi scheme from the start, and only a sequence of tax increases have kept it from going under.
Now whether we should SAY it's a Ponzi scheme is another matter, I admit.
beebop| 9.8.11 @ 5:12AM
Where exactly are obama's grades? They have had four years to sneak them into the computer to replace the "incompletes" -- the college version of voting "present." Fact is, you only think 0bama is smart because the media tells you he is. He has shown absoltely zero evidence that he is.
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 10:42AM
Re Social Security, as a still working and paying in recipient, it IS and was designed as a Ponzi scheme! To add insult to injury it was expanded to cover the disabled and dependents. Now it has been raided to fund other priorities. In that we are MORE than Taxed Enough Already, to say it can be "fixed" borders on naive. I noted last year the progressives generated some reaction from the youth, by intimating that the old people were robbing them and needed to be gotten out of the way. It resonated for a while and then got shut down. Don't be surprised if it resurfaces. It is in "Senior's" interests, as well as the interests of youth and the Nation to pull this issue into the light of day and get it addressed. Ryan's budget put one approach on the table. In view of our advancing Budgetary/DEBT crisis the sooner real solutions are generated the better!
To say there are more moneys/revenues that can be readily generated to address Social Security's expanding shortfalls would be reprehensible!
Mike 3/505| 9.7.11 @ 11:56PM
I was extremely gratified to hear a top tier presidential candidate say what I have been saying for years...Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme! Huzzah!
Regards,
Mike
Clint| 9.8.11 @ 12:01AM
Dr. Ron Paul said: “You know, the governor of Texas [Perry] criticized the governor of Massachusetts [Romney] for RomneyCare. But he wrote a really fancy letter supporting HillaryCare. So we probably ought to ask him about that.”
The Letter:
"In a letter to Clinton, who is now U.S. Secretary of State, Perry wrote: “I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s health care system are most commendable.”
“I would like to request that the task force give particular consideration to the needs of the nation’s farmers, ranchers, and agriculture workers, and other members of rural communities,” Perry continued, noting his administration’s focus on economic development for rural Texans. “Rural populations have a high proportion of uninsured people, rising health care costs, and often experience lack of services.”
“Again, your efforts are worthy,” Perry concluded, ”and I hope you will remember this constituency as the task force progresses.”
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 10:54AM
As the newly elected Agricultural Commissioner, that said Commissioner would call the attention of the then Administration to request they be sure to address the needs of his constituency is commendable.
To assume he was aware, at the point he wrote the letter in question, of what Clinton's actual goals were - that HillaryCare would be similar to the ObamaCare socialized healthcare nightmare that has been foisted upon us, is too much of a stretch to be credible!
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 10:54AM
As the newly elected Agricultural Commissioner, that said Commissioner would call the attention of the then Administration to request they be sure to address the needs of his constituency is commendable.
To assume he was aware, at the point he wrote the letter in question, of what Clinton's actual goals were - that HillaryCare would be similar to the ObamaCare socialized healthcare nightmare that has been foisted upon us, is too much of a stretch to be credible!
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 10:54AM
As the newly elected Agricultural Commissioner, that said Commissioner would call the attention of the then Administration to request they be sure to address the needs of his constituency is commendable.
To assume he was aware, at the point he wrote the letter in question, of what Clinton's actual goals were - that HillaryCare would be similar to the ObamaCare socialized healthcare nightmare that has been foisted upon us, is too much of a stretch to be credible!
Dai Alanye| 9.8.11 @ 12:08AM
I was unimpressed by Perry, finding him weaker than expected. He showed little intellectual heft nor was he grounded in a solid political philosophy. His responses to criticisms and attacks tended to be weakly reasoned and all too snarky.
Gingrich did a good job, and will make some President a fine adviser.
Santorum did fairly well although his choice of arguments depended too much on what he did in the past, and this election is about the future.
Huntsman improved from last time, no longer rating a negative number. Still a jerk, however.
Bachmann looks less impressive with each exposure, but maybe that's just me.
Cain was solid, but lucky that few questions were about military of foreign policy.
Ron Paul was not too bad except when he brought up the fantasy about the fence keeping us in. What a goof!
Romney steadily maintained his conservative and highly-presidential persona. My only regret is that I know it's a facade.
God| 9.8.11 @ 1:03AM
On the contrary, Ron Paul appears to be the only candidate aware of the extent to which government power has been abused not only throughout human history, but within the last century. That, or he's the only candidate capable of forming a political stance grounded in reality and rational analysis.
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 1:20AM
Ok, I understand who you are..another Paulbot with a hatred for religion.
God| 9.8.11 @ 1:27AM
Oh, that's right, you're another neo-con who bows down and worships those who claim dominion over you, so long as they're wearing a suit and tie and make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Your fear is expected given your misology, Simon.
beebop| 9.8.11 @ 5:13AM
Paul is an angry old man. I would rather sit home than vote for him.
Ryan| 9.8.11 @ 9:18AM
Paulbots worship Ron Paul in the same way...if not moreso.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:51PM
Really? Pretty sure you're just a moron, because, from what I've seen, people who support Ron Paul do so out of rational, calculated, educated action. They actually have concrete ideological reasons for trying to get the man in the white house, unlike the neo-con idiots whose entire decision process is based on blind faith and emotion.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:02PM
Shut up, Clint.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:41PM
Who the hell is Clint?
Anyways, such an expression of your mindless, animalistic, and hilarious rage is quite expected. Even on matters that should be decided by rational thought, your simian emotional reactions compose the most complex of your analytical processes.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:14PM
Do you have enough commas in the first sentence, Ba'al?
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:37PM
Occam's, sweetie pie, are you such an imbecile that the use of multiple commas --a simple, standard, useful piece of punctuation-- adds a level of grammatical complexity to a sentence that makes it incomprehensible to your feeble and simple mind?
You're clearly desperate to respond to me. What's unexpected is that your chosen line of defense, even when empowered by your desperation and need, is to outright imply that your stupidity is as extreme as it appears upon first impression.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:48AM
No. It just demonstrates a lack of clear logic on your part to use unnecessarily complex sentences.
Think of my name, Clint.
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 12:16PM
You are just another liberal retard dressed up as a conservative who thinks and expresses himself EXACTLY like a liberal. The 'God' moniker is perfect.
It inflates your liberal egomania and mocks religion at the same time. Very cute.
You have no arguments but cute little quips, idiotic sarcasms, and name calling. Just like the progressive you are.
Yeah, fear. Another typical liberal ploy. Anyone who disagrees with you has one form of phobia or another. Bowing down? You really need to get off your knees and quit doing Ron Paul.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:46PM
You don't recognize the irony contained within the fact that the entire statement you just wrote was nothing more than a chihuahua's snarl all the while criticizing your opponent for what you perceive to be a lack of argument?
God hates you, Simon Faggot. Your stupidity is as repulsive to him as it is to us.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 4:56PM
The god you serve is yourself, and none other. Take the capital G out of the Name you do such a dishonor to.
No one has ever fared well speaking as you do toward the true God and those that belong to Him.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:42PM
Whore of Babylon, go back to the lake of fire from whence you came!! Crawl back into the ass of your father Satan and assume your natural fetal position!!!
Simon Templar| 9.11.11 @ 11:02AM
You really are a sick person. Get some help and get off this blog.
aware| 9.8.11 @ 6:35AM
"Religion" won't save you at the last trumpet, bud. It is nothing but the latest Tower of Babel. Man's attempt to reach God. It has already been struck with different "languages" and is falling apart. It offers "superficial treatments for my people's mortal wounds" and "scatters my sheep on dark and stormy nights".
Simon Templar| 9.8.11 @ 12:19PM
Take your meds and go back to your room. Your social time in the TV room is finished.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:45PM
lol, a pussified little retard who calls himself a "Templar" is trying to make a joke about mental patients.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:04PM
Simon Templar, "The Saint." It's a joke. Anyone who knows ANYTHING knows it's a joke. I pointed it out to him in the first response I wrote him. It's not about the Knight Templars, silly fool.
Again, shut up, Clint.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:50PM
Occam's Tool, you mutilated afterbirth, your attempts to join the discussion to save your brethren from being burnt and consumed by the fires of logic and truth are sincerely appreciated.
You assume that enough morons saying enough moronic things is sure to be an effective tactic. While your contribution is sure to be a successful manner of carrying out the above plan, the result, even in the most perfectly executed of circumstances on your part, is actually nothing more than an increase in the amount of mental dessert for me. Psychologically, you are making me very fat and happy. Watching you dance upon the coals until you fall and write in agony is an absolute pleasure :) .
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:49AM
Let me know when you find an argument, Ba'al.
W| 9.8.11 @ 12:37PM
"God"
Does this mean God is endorsing Ron Paul? How about for VP?
More importantly, by how many points will the Steelers beat the Ravens this Sunday. Please respond ASAP, time is of the essence.
God| 9.8.11 @ 3:56PM
W,
You will know in time, my son.
W| 9.8.11 @ 4:07PM
Not good enough.
You are not God.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:52PM
I have made you a weak and helpless idiot for a reason, W. Do not curse my name for this design, as you are part of a divine plan. Do not envy your brothers and sisters for their clear general superiority over you, as I am deliberate in my creation.
Simon Templar| 9.11.11 @ 11:06AM
(And don't feed the trolls!)
I think we all have learned the true meaning of this. Go away sick person..get some help.
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 11:04AM
I recognize one's assessments depend on one's own philosophies. On the other hand it is shortsighted to underestimate those with whom you evidently disagree ... in fact a bit old line elitist.
Governor/Candidate Perry has received kudos for his monetary assessment acumen from credible sources:
wsj - Perry's Public Service
Behold, a hard-money Texas politician
“The real news ...(is)...the substance and politics of Mr. Perry's demarche. Here we have a Presidential candidate, a Texas populist no less, laying out a position in favor of sound money. This is a bear walking on its hind legs. The ghosts of Wright Patman and Henry B. Gonzalez are howling in the Hill Country.
PULL QUOTE from Perry’s Red-Hot Bernanke Slam, A Commentary By Lawrence Kudlow: So it turns out that Governor Perry -- even with his overly strong language -- is a pretty sharp economic and monetary analyst.
Don't sell his capacities short!
Clint| 9.8.11 @ 12:32AM
We Were Set Up By The Ruling Elite & Their Media Apparatchiks For Their Romney/Perry Agenda.
This Is Why There Is A Tea Party Rebellion.
Rise Up In Rebellion.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 12:41AM
Mr. Lord,
I agree with you about Perry. In fact, my Dad, a life long Democrat who is in favor of the death penalty, respects honest, upfront men. He says he will always vote for Dems in the local elections, but he will vote for a Republican President.
I do believe Rick Perry is someone he would cast his vote for.
He abhors Obama, and he abhorred Clinton, too.
Well done, Mr. Perry.
Scott| 9.8.11 @ 4:19AM
While Perry gave some good answers, that painfully awful response on climate change has me dreading the thought of Perry being the nominee. He had to know that was coming and yet he was utterly unprepared for it and looked like a complete incompetent. One response like that in a debate with Obama and we're getting four more years. I don't think we should risk it.
Bob Grant| 9.8.11 @ 9:06AM
I completely agree. Not only was his initial response the the Global Warming question disastrous, he chose to re-visit the question a few minutes later with the EXACT disastrous response.
This clearly was the weak point for him. His record/history of climate change and alternative energy as Governor is all over the place; it's very inconsistent. He is a huge supporter of wind farm subsidies and other green technologies so he can, if he chooses, position himself as a supporter of alternative energy under certain circumstances and doesn't have to appear as some troglodyte on the issue.
Politically speaking, he does not handle this issue well.
JGwen| 9.8.11 @ 11:26AM
Having been unable to hear the full discussion, I would advance the contention that there is global warming (any more than a few years ago it was global cooling), anthropogenic or otherwise has been effectively discredited.
We need to be taking steps to facilitate continuing Commercially Viable Energy operations today!
My understanding is that Texas has been meeting acceptable air quality standards, albeit not the way the EPA dictates.
That Texas has in place standard energy sources and alternative ("Green") energy sources should be heartening to both camps.
I have been opposing Tax/Rate Payer funding (for the next 25 years) of Wind Power in my State. There is no excuse, particularly in the present economic circumstances, to forcibly/legislatively saddle State tax AND Rate Payers with the cost of (read profits to favored "investors") energy, that would readily available from more cost effective sources!
NO ONE who "believes - ?" in these "Green" scams can hope to get my vote!
aware| 9.8.11 @ 6:25AM
"Mission accomplished."
Where have I heard that before? Yeah, Perry is certainly a superior Statist to your former love Santorum. No wonder he wowed you. But I thought your attack dog was supposed to tear Paul apart. Disappointed?
martin j smith| 9.8.11 @ 7:56AM
I did not watch the debate but have heard many views on it. My main problem is having a MSM pro-Socialist media ) manage it. Sorry but I think that is a bad idea but no matter. The issue of r me is to produce a winner against Obama and it will not be based on one ,two or whatever debates. It will depend on someone not sounding like a "bumper sticker". The best thing would be for debates to be hosted by TALK RADIO HOSTS.
Another point is these debates should not have the purpose of each candidates "killing off" each other and ultimately lead to their total destruction
at our expense.
I have no favorite but am skeptical of all. I WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL--voting for him is like voting for Obama at least on national security and foreign affairs--he is OUT.
The question is to watch how the media ( MSM as well as conservatives so to speak ) distort or in other ways spin this debate. This will give us a clue as to what manipulation games are going on.
Realistically in the end we will get who we get but it might be worth while when primaries come around to be more organized as o who to lean towards if there is agreement or at least to lean against. Can we see thru the manipulation and vote our will-? Time will tell.
Clint| 9.8.11 @ 8:14AM
Perry is a plastic opportunist, who is now parroting what Dr.Ron Paul has been saying for years.
Are you still in favor of abolishing Social Security?
Dr.Ron Paul,
A: Yes, but not overnight. As a matter of fact, my program’s the only one that is going to be able to take care of the elderly. I’d like to get the young people out of it, just the younger generation, because there’s no money there, and they’re going to have to pay 50 years and they’re not going to get anything. I’d take care of all the elderly, all those who are dependent, but I would save the money from this wild spending overseas.
Source: 2008 GOP debate in Boca Raton Florida Jan 24, 2008
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:05PM
Nice comment considering he was 75 at the time. Foreign aid is about 3 percent of the budget.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:53PM
Both sentences are completely irrelevant to the statement you were responding to, Occam's.
Don't give in to your cowardly nature and run from this conversation. Your stupidity paired with your anguish pleases me.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:51AM
75---qualifies for Medicare. Pay for it by eliminating overseas spending---overseas spending is too small a part of the budget to do that.
Try to keep up, Ba'al. My mind encompasses yours, as yours is but 302 neurons in size.
JimH| 9.8.11 @ 8:31AM
I did not see the whole thing so I may have missed significant parts. From what I did see, if I had no prior knowledge of any of the candidates I’d say that Newt impressed me the most, with Cain second. If Cain is not nominated he ought to be VP or at least have a significant role in the campaign. I thought Huntsman was doing well until he started blathering about how we ought to believe the scientists. Bachmann was toned down and had her facts straight. I think Paul spoke as well as can be expected in this format. He does not thrive amidst short sound bites. Unfortunately appearances count for a lot on TV and Paul does not come across well. Perry and Romney are almost too good looking. Romney spoke well, but he looks like Metroman from the movie Megamind. I think Perry in terms of appearance and persona is the closest thing we are likely to have to the Gipper. Pretty much all the candidates would do well to say less in their allotted times, rather than try to rapidly blurt their answers. When reading the replies it may be ok but it doesn’t look good on TV. As Newt said they were all much better than the current resident of the White House.
Margie| 9.8.11 @ 5:03PM
I love Herman Cain. LOL, have I said that before?
I will settle for Rick Perry though. :^).
Michele is wonderful too.
Newt COULD make a great President if he carried out his righteous conservative ideas.. but too many people have already rejected him, I think. I would happily cast my vote for him.
Romney, not so much. NO to Ron Paul and/or that other guy.
Last but not least~ Rick Santorum is GREAT too.
Face it folks, we have all the good guys on our side!!
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:07PM
As Margie put it, except for the potheads and pothead supporters (Paul, and the Clown from New Mexico), I like the Republican candidates. I would prefer Michele, but the others are acceptable, except as noted.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:55PM
Of course you would prefer Michele. The other men scare you with their perfectly-normal masculine qualities, but Michele, although you look to her both as your patriarch and your matriarch, seems softer and less likely to make you insecure with her presence.
Quit being redundant, Occam's.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:52AM
Leave the analyzing of motives to the professionals, Ba'al.
Jake| 9.8.11 @ 12:25PM
Governor Perry was composed and despite having to deal with the devastating wildfires ,
he clearly arrived ready for the debate.
Perry could not be cowed by the moderators
and the meme of the liberal press.
An example was when Perry discussed Barack Obama's breezy declaration that the border at El Paso was safer than ever.
Perry's retort that Obama either had awful intel or was an abject liar was hilarious.
Perry's stand up response to Brian William's hand wringing execution question was superb.
Perry told the truth about Social Security and
stressed that without reform,
it won't be there for the younger workers.
Romney and Perry did not take the NBC bait and attack each other and in fact,
both had moments of respectful
graciousness towards each other.
Newt is a smart policy wonk with too much personal baggage , but, he adds to the discourse.
Bachmann seemed slightly lost , but, she also
adds to the discussion
The rest-not so much.
Especially cranky Ron Paul.
The biggest loser last night was
Barack Obama .
The thought of running against either Perry or Romney should be giving him sleepless nights.
mary| 9.8.11 @ 1:18PM
You have got to be kidding promoting Perry as Reagan-anything. His record of big government violatons of the rule of law have Regan spinning in his grave.
Mary Mayes| 9.8.11 @ 1:36PM
When I first started reading comments on this site, I was impressed by the thoughtful people posting here. This has become nothing but a war of words between mainly juvenile, insulting, profane and silly posters. Not worth my time. Seems like many of you don't have enough to do.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:59PM
Agreed, Mary. Occam's is a juvenile, silly, cowardly, submissive, and repulsive idiot.
I apologize for his existence, as would his parents and the doctor who delivered him were they were to comment.
Occam's Tool| 9.8.11 @ 8:12PM
Mary:
I'm sorry about my more juvenile comments. Writing on a site that has Clint on it is problematic. They banned him as Tim.* Why they let him come back as "Clint" I have no idea.
However, bounce a reasonable comment and you will see many thoughtful posters---Ken, Margie, Simon, John II, STUART KOEHL (the real deal), RCV, Con Chef, Nick, Al Adab, Irish 19, Mike Tomlinson, and many more. Don't give up on us simply because I'm a silly ass.
Joseph| 9.8.11 @ 10:49PM
Mary, anyone who is for Israel is good for Occam Tool, doesn't matter what else they say.
Occam's Tool| 9.21.11 @ 11:53AM
Not true. Don't care for Dershowitz.
God| 9.8.11 @ 11:58PM
Christ, Occam's, you are one unbelievable pussy. Apologizing to a bunch of strangers for something you deliberately did less than a few minutes ago, and will continue to do some more?
In other words, you're not even a strong enough human being to fall in line with your own standards. Even when you feel ashamed of your behavior, you're too weak to resist it.
Both by your own as well as everyone else's standards, you are a disgusting failure and an absolute abomination of evolution.
Mary Mother of God| 9.28.11 @ 12:04AM
You're an asshole.