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As Texas Gov. Rick Perry announces he is getting into the Republican presidential race, the straw poll in Ames, Iowa is likely to splinter between GOP candidates representing different flavors of conservatism: the Old Right conservatism of Ron Paul, the New Right/Christian Right conservatism of Michele Bachmann, the establishment conservatism of Tim Pawlenty, etc.
Perry’s appeal is precisely that he is trying to position himself as a consensus conservative, one who can unite the entire movement. There hasn’t really been such a candidate in the Republican primaries since Ronald Reagan. As early as 1988, conservatives divided between the Christian Right candidacy of Pat Robertson and the supply-side economic conservatism of Jack Kemp, with some support for Pete DuPont. In 1996, Pat Buchanan, Steve Forbes, and Phil Gramm represented different strains of conservatism as they split the vote to the right of Bob Dole. The beneficiary has been the establishment candidate who can get the most movement support.
That doesn’t mean that Perry is guaranteed to win the nomination by trying to fill that role. The desire for a consensus conservative is exactly what fueled hopes Fred Thompson would run for president in 2008, but Thompson ultimately fizzled. There are chinks in Perry’s conservative armor and he tried to tailor his announcement speech to a general election audience, a compunction some of the other conservatives running for president don’t share. But it does explain why interest in Perry has persisted even as the rest of the field has gone at it.
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Zbigniew Mazurak| 8.13.11 @ 1:34PM
"That doesn't mean that Perry is guaranteed to win the nomination by trying to fill that role. The desire for a consensus conservative is exactly what fueled hopes Fred Thompson would run for president in 2008, but Thompson ultimately fizzled. There are chinks in Perry's conservative armor and he tried to tailor his announcement speech to a general election audience, a compunction some of the other conservatives running for president don't share. But it does explain why interest in Perry has persisted even as the rest of the field has fought."
True, but 1) Thompson has no executive experience; 2) he never campaigned fiercely; and 3) Thompson never polled highly. None of this is true of Rick Perry. Don't get me wrong. I'm as opposed to this Texan RINO by anyone. But I do recognize that he's a formidable opponent who will be difficult to defeat.
Chuck| 8.13.11 @ 8:42PM
Thompson was a flop because he couldn't overcome his X factor, voting not guilty on one of Clinton's impeachment counts. An unpardonable Republican political sin to say the least.
Margie| 8.13.11 @ 9:31PM
Oh, I don't know about that, Chuck. Do you know that for a fact? How?
I don't know really why he dropped out, don't remember, but I for one was fully behind him. I mean, just imagine President Thompson as opposed to what we have now.
martin j smith| 8.13.11 @ 1:49PM
Perry as is true of all candidates must understand among other things that they will be in a WAR--a political one for the moment. The Socialists will use ANY MEANS NECESSARY --DIRTY TRICKS,VIOLENCE YOU NAME IT. So, its wonderful to be a "consensus " candidate. However, he or she will have to face the worst campaign in our history by a fanatical,hysterical, radical LEFT US political movement ever. If there is a chance to win ( not just be the nominee as McCaine ) that candidate must FIGHT THIS WAR. NO MORE BS Oh did I mention the McConnell and Boehner fail because they avoid the fight. This candidate must not follow that example or HE and WE will LOSE>
Dolli| 8.13.11 @ 2:24PM
Gov. Perry gave a magnificent speech....it was so comforting to listen to him. He spoke for 33 minutes and it was outstanding and uplifting. He said all that needed to be said to encourage
the people of this country that our future will not be bleak. and our best years are ahead of us. I loved it!
Dai Alanye | 8.13.11 @ 5:26PM
He gives a good speech, but where have we seen that before? Think BHO. At this point, the more we learn about Perry the more questionable he looks--leaning toward "moderate" in the economic sphere, taking credit for the work of others, possible dirty hands from doing favors for donors.
While almost anyone is preferable to Obama (heck, I'd vote for Biden as a last resort) we need to take a thorough look at Perry before offering him the mantle of Reagan.
RD Mann| 8.13.11 @ 2:29PM
He looked like the real deal to me. Some things in his record I disagee with, but nothing compared to Romney. And I agree with Martin, he's ready to take the fight to the enemy. Let's see how he holds up under national scrutiny, but so far, so good.
simon templar| 8.13.11 @ 2:46PM
RD Mann, I saw this same thing about his readiness and willingness to take the fight to the enemy. I am usually very skeptical and cautious but my instincts were telling me this guy is willing to kick some ass and will not run from a fight. He makes no apologies and takes no prisoners.
uh-huh| 8.13.11 @ 5:05PM
He seems to like to run away from Iowa, debates, and generally any pointed question about what specifically he stands for.
simon templar| 8.13.11 @ 2:42PM
Not Rino enough, Antle? Yeah, that is good, throw cold water on the guy the same day he announces his attention to run for president. Yeah, that will help the cause of conservativism.
Do you have a girlfriend who works for the Huff and Puff you are trying to impress?
I do not know much about Perry but I listened to one of his speeches in an attempt to get more information about him and begin doing my own research since I can not seem to get much out of TAS these days except arrogant snarkiness and smarminess.
This man has communication skills, passion, and style that I have not seen since Ronald Reagan. I have no doubt he would wipe the floor with the poser. If this guy is half of what he presents as himself, he would be a great president and would turn this ship around. He is like Bush. The Bush you wish we had, the Bush you thought you voted for, the real thing. The guy looks like he just walked off the ranch, wrestled some doggies to the ground, tied them up, and then stepped into the building to give a speech. He is iconic.
Now, let us take a closer look at his background and his efforts in Texas.
Bob Grant| 8.13.11 @ 3:24PM
Simon,
Just go to the source: any Texas Newspaper Website.
The best description of him is SERVICEABLE. Think Bill Clinton without the lip biting and "empathy". He won't screw things up. Don't believe, however, that he's the next Ronald Reagan. He's far from it.
simon templar| 8.13.11 @ 7:57PM
Bob, I will indeed start looking at Texas newspapers for more info, thanks. If you have some specifics about this serviceability please share.
W| 8.13.11 @ 8:08PM
Bob, don't know much about Perry. Tell us what you know.
I know a lot about Santorum, and like him, but he does not have a chance.
JimH| 8.14.11 @ 8:31AM
At the same time I wonder how many knew Ronald Reagan would be Ronald Reagan until be became Ronald Reagan.
uh-huh| 8.13.11 @ 5:07PM
So, you have decided that he will be a great President based on his speeches, communication skills, style, etc. Where have we seen this before. Got leg tingles?
simon templar| 8.13.11 @ 7:44PM
I think a soda can would make a better president than what we have now. I also said if he is half of what he says he will be hell of a lot better. Yes, this is about communication skills, passion, and message. Your a silly little boy to think otherwise.
I also said let us vet him, learn more about his real accomplishments and positions. Many of his accomplishments he stated in his speech were quite impressive. If they are true. Yes, from what I have seen he could wipe the floor with your boy from what little I have seen, troll.
W. James Antle III | 8.13.11 @ 7:11PM
"He is like Bush."
I think your comment is a lot meaner to Perry than anything I've written.
simon templar| 8.13.11 @ 7:54PM
Antle III, He is like Bush in the sense of his speech, his style, his Texan for real demeanor, and his conservative talk, and the reason you voted for Bush in 2000. Not the Bush you got. You know damn well there is going to be the comparison..good or bad. Did you read anything past the sentence you pulled out. Man, your pulling a very typical liberal troll play here. Like I have suggested to your cohorts, start writing some articles with substance or I will do your job for you. Give us some facts, research about this guy if you think he stinks on ice. Not the whiny, self promoting, smarmy bullshit, lacking in any real substance and content. If I want this I would just read the troll comments out here or the other biased unthinking remarks made like the uh-huh trolls.
W. James Antle III | 8.14.11 @ 1:28PM
I'm simply pointing out to you that you are reading things into my initial post that simply aren't there, perhaps because you are reading too emotionally.
To acknowledge that a Perry nomination isn't a foregone conclusion or the fact that he has conservative critics isn't to "pour cold water" on his candidacy or say he "stinks on ice."
The rest of your comment simply confirms my point: That there is demand for Perry to get in because people want an electable full-spectrum conservative in the race. Is that really such a damning statement to make? Take a deep breath.
mike w| 8.13.11 @ 8:45PM
He is Bush the sequel. He won't get the nomination.
martin j smith| 8.13.11 @ 3:37PM
Bob: For the moment I will take SERVICEABLE as long as s/he beats Obama --I have no illusions and expect no miracles--except the one--TO BEAT THE SOCIALISTS !!!!!!!! That one.
Bob Grant| 8.13.11 @ 3:43PM
You need to understand why conservatives in Texas are lukewarm about him. There is an underlying reason why so I would look into why.
I'll play the team player and let others discover on their own what we've known all along.
Buyer beware.
Margie| 8.13.11 @ 3:54PM
"..the Old Right conservatism of Ron Paul, the New Right/Christian Right conservatism of Michele Bachmann, the establishment conservatism of Tim Pawlenty, etc."
Mr. Antle,
That is an interesting way you have of categorizing people.
First of all, what is "Old Right" about Ron Paul? He's a Libertarian, not a conservative. Just because he "talks" fiscal responsibility but is a lunatic in his morality with regards to how he sees America as the evil empire and despises Israel and our military~ well, that makes him a Leftist in conservative's clothing.
Next, The "New Right?" That is pretty funny. The Christian Right, as you call it~ well, we've been around since the founding of the country. We're the ones who will vote for the best candidate we can get. We don't require perfection, but do require somebody who is at least against abortion, understands what makes this country work, (having to do with economic issues~ ie., that small business, medium business, and yes, even big business makes the world go round, and doesn't punish success), understands that regulations and high taxes are what is destroying these businesses and our nations ability to be prosperous like God wants us to be~ and a candidate who loves our country and our freedom, therefore one who understands that a STRONG military is needed at all times. One who understands that Israel is an ally, and that we back our allies no matter who they are.
So, the "New Right" isn't really new, it's old.
As far as what you term establishment conservatives, like Pawlenty~ us Christians would welcome him in place of Obama any day, any time. Maybe he isn't the conservative that most of us want, but that's what the voting booth is for, and he isn't a Socialist!
We have plenty of real decent people in the race right now, and plenty more who could run. We just need to not allow the Leftist media to choose our candidate. We need more right back at ya in yer face talk to them like Newt gave them.
Stick it to them. The candidates at the next debate need to stand strong and laugh in the faces of these dimwits who question them.
In fact, if I were Michele Bachmann and was asked that question, I think I would've said something like: "And this kind of question has exactly WHAT to do with anything? How about you ask me something to do with why I'm running for president and what it is that I have to offer, what kind of plans do I have in mind to put into effect in order to help to correct the damage that the current occupant of the people's White House has done to our country?!"
Next!!
W. James Antle III | 8.13.11 @ 7:06PM
Here's a Wikpedia entry on Old Right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_(United_States)
Here's one on New Right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N....._New_Right
Since the second political strain dates back to as long ago as 1955, so in using the term I'm not saying Bachmann's political views are literally new.
simon templar| 8.13.11 @ 8:39PM
Antle, I have degrees at university too, just do not have the title, "III" after my name. Pontificate all day about the new right and the old right..in fact join the sociology department at your local university and you can come up with some new categorizations, paradigms, and deep political analysis. At the end of day, it is all academic and self indulgent. The people who have really changed the world do not give a frickin rats ass about any of it. The fact remains most Americans are religious, most are conservative, and most are both. There is no inherent disconnect or contradiction other than the one manufactured by talkng heads and academics. Our founding fathers did not seem to have half the angst that is being thrown about on this subject in today's enlightened circles. Try focusing on what we have in common than on these so-called political strains. The Left does not spend much time these days arguing over their political strains but keeps developing new coalitions to destroy this nation and transform it.
Margie| 8.13.11 @ 8:57PM
James,
Now tell the truth. Did you write that entry at Wikipedia? LOL.
Really though, I saw that it was updated this month and it says "conservatives" back then were "non-interventionists."
I think I'll go there and change the definition myself. Because real conservatives were never non-interventionists. That was the Left and the hippies. Even Jefferson and Madison weren't. Consider the Barbary pirates & the war of 1812.
Then, you can go back and change the definition back to include them.
Silly, right?
I like what simon just said, though. It's great.
It's what I call the Big Picture.
Margie| 8.13.11 @ 4:01PM
Oh, and as to Rick Perry~ why not? I'd prefer it if he were for an amendment to the Constitution concerning Marriage, REAL Marriage, that is~ but I guess he doesn't see it that way. I do, and so does Mark Levin, my favorite guy on the radio besides El Rushbo.
But, if he were the nominee~ he would be a godsend compared to Obama!!
darcy| 8.13.11 @ 5:49PM
Jim DeMint for President; Joe Miller of Alaska for Vice President.
http://joemiller.us/2011/08/on.....publicans/
Margie| 8.13.11 @ 6:38PM
darcy,
I apologize for what I said to you recently. I was so wrong to say what I said. I hope you can forgive me.
~Margie
darcy| 8.13.11 @ 9:40PM
How can I not, when we have been forgiven so much ourselves? Yes; it is forgotten and forgiven.
darcy :)
Margie| 8.13.11 @ 10:56PM
Thank you so much, darcy.
Thank you!
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.13.11 @ 5:58PM
Simon, Margie, I'm with you guys.
Texas being uniquely successful during the Perry years is no accident.
He is smart enough to stand back and let business prosper. He has made his stands quite clear, and idiots who call him a RINO.....well every single time they do.....just ask them to DEFINE RINO.
You will probably laugh your butt off at their answers.
Perry is a good man. He is an unabashed Christian.
Get over to my blog site and scroll down just a little and read about the "Dream Ticket".
www.txbooks.blogspot.com
"Washington DC, Inconsequential" is the key phrase in his speech today. Are you guys willing to pick up the reins and run your own lives?
Margie| 8.13.11 @ 6:36PM
"He is smart enough to stand back and let business prosper."
~And that's why I like him. I'm sick and tired of the current occupant's destruction of the individual and of our freedom to do exactly as you say~ run our OWN lives.
Socialism as practiced by Obama & the Dems is constantly punishing us by taxing and regulating us to death. I always refer to our government now as the Leviathan.. a beast that nobody seems too willing to fight and defeat.
I used to say that GW was just a finger in the dyke, and that if we didn't wake up, and we let the Dems win another election that's the end of us.
People complain about how horrible and disgusting and rotten to the core of his soul GW was, but are seemingly blind to reality of the Democrat Socialists?
Everybody's a RINO to these people except their own chosen one.
I am looking forward to Perry's entrance into the race. And who knows? Maybe if Sarah's his running mate for Veep, she can change his mind about that Constitutional amendment?? That is, if she agrees with Mark Levin.. (and me). :^).
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.13.11 @ 7:10PM
Margie,
love yah.
Governor Perry changes the whole landscape of the election.
An unabshed Christian who is content with athiests being as stupid as they want to be.
There was a beautiful girl named "Thigpen" in several of my classes at Baylor University. I wonder if that is his wife. WOW...I wonder who I would be if she had picked me. (heh)
In any event, I WANT the PP ticket...(Perry/ Palin or Palin/Perry.
The way electoral politics work...Alaska is tiny.
Texas is HUGE...even with all our five MILLION "immigrants" from other States diluting our votes.
(heh, many of them have bought rifles.)
Clint| 8.13.11 @ 7:39PM
" Rick Perry supported Lance Armstrong’s 3 billion dollar Texas taxpayer funded medical research center. That’s like ObamaCare. That’s not free market.
Rick Perry, secured a 300 million dollar business handout slush fund for him and just the two leaders of the legislature to dole out to whomever he felt like being friendly to. That’s corporate welfare, a recipe for corruption, and as bad as the TARP bailouts that caused the Tea Parties to explode all across America. In fact, Perry gave 20 million dollars to Countrywide Financial which later went bankrupt.
He supported a new state business tax. He set up toll road tax collection booths all over Texas highways. The Austin Tea Party and the Austin Toll Party booed him on the steps of the state Capitol for that.
Rick Perry, signed an executive order forcing young Texas schoolgirls to get the HPV vaccine even if it was against their will — even if it was against their parents’ will — while his former chief of staff was a lobbyist for Merck. Perry's judgment was so bad the Texas legislature revolted against him and overturned his decision,"
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Carpe Diem.
Bob Grant| 8.13.11 @ 10:56PM
Clint, then may I suggest starting a Debra Medina for president movement?
Clint| 8.14.11 @ 8:52AM
No Bob, You May Not.
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.13.11 @ 7:43PM
Clint...
you are simply a misinformed...LIAR.
Prove those things or shut the hell up!
darcy| 8.13.11 @ 9:50PM
Dear Ken: Clint is right about the Gardasil event; it troubles me deeply that Perry would permit himself to be used by the drug lobby in this manner, to use the power of the state to override parental rights. In fact, I believe it's a window into his heart, that he could attempt such a restriction on our basic freedoms to raise our children as we believe is in their best interests. To imagine that the state would coerce young girls to receive a vaccine that has caused multiple deaths is beyond the pale, and certainly Perry was not acting in the best interests of families, but in the best interest of his backers.
Do the research and tell me I'm overstating things.
Margie| 8.14.11 @ 12:34AM
I was reading about those vaccinations, and they're horrible. I wish no one ever invented them!
Pelligrino| 8.14.11 @ 2:18AM
darcy, I think you are right regarding HPV for teenage girls (as early as 11 years old, as I recall)
Here is what I read: "The Texas governor issued executive order requiring that girls entering the sixth grade be vaccinated."
*Yes, Texas legislature overruled, but there is to be a decision again this year on this -- as I understand it.
To highlight how government always tends to run amok and do the wrong thing: U.S. military medicine ENDORSED the mandatory vacinations (3-part/3 visits) for these teen girls -- girls within military families, those living in military communities)
In 2005 and 2006 debate/sincere discussion was completely unwanted.
This will need to be examined. Did Gov. Perry just misunderstand the medical advice he was given (was he given sound advice?) or, more importantly, did he see a way to dramatically increase the revenues for the pharmaceutical producers? And did he stand to gain from this? Did acquaintances or friends?
HPV is not inexpensive.
Clint| 8.13.11 @ 7:55PM
Put Up Or Shut Up Kenny The Squirrel.
Tell It To The Texas Tea Party.
The Texas Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Kenny The Squirrel's Face.
Wipe Your Boots.
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.13.11 @ 8:28PM
Clint,
you are the one that made unsubstantiated lies about Perry...
PROVE THEM OR SHUT UP!
(CRICKETS?)
mike w| 8.13.11 @ 8:40PM
I don't think he Clint is too worried about what some idiot from Texas thinks of him. Speaking of idiots from Texas, Perry is also a RINO. He wanted to inject your daughters with Gardisil so they could be proper sluts and he wants amnesty millions of illegals.
Those are facts. Get over it. Perry is the only guy that could make dumb old George W. look good.
Margie| 8.13.11 @ 8:44PM
Well then, mike w,
Go ahead and vote for Ron Paul and later we can congratulate you once again for re electing Obama.
Clint| 8.14.11 @ 8:00AM
Why Don't You Try To Make Me Shut Up, Kenny The Squirrel.
The Tea Party Steps On The Squirrel.
Wipe Your Boots.
Bob Grant| 8.13.11 @ 9:03PM
I'm staring at a box of staples as I'm typing this and I promise you I would write in Mr. Staple Box on the ballot before voting for Il Douche.
Having said that, don't put all of your eggs in the Perry basket because he will disappoint. He's a very weak debater. Don't believe me, pull up the Texas governor primary debates from last year and you'll see the TEA Party candidate, AND, Kay Bailey Hutchison handled him with ease.
The primary debates should put a dent in his chances.
(By the way I DID vote for him in the general.)
Bob Grant| 8.13.11 @ 9:13PM
Er. Il Douche being Hussein Obama, not Rick Perry.
Margie| 8.13.11 @ 9:25PM
No one is perfect. No one will ever be.. I just think we are ready to elect a Republican President because the country is sick and tired of the country going way to the Left.
Every person on earth will disappoint.. but only if you're putting your hope in them.
And it isn't about putting my hope in a person, it's what they stand for, what they believe about freedom and individual responsibility, and whether or not they "get it" for the most part.
And I don't care about these stupid debates because they're a sham because they're media run to try and make decent people look like garbage.
We easily know what the candidates really stand for without the "help" of the Lame Stream Media anyway.
I DO hope they do well at the debates but does anybody really base their vote on how perfectly they handled these media weirdo's? I hope not.
Bob Grant| 8.13.11 @ 9:40PM
They mean everything to the lesser known candidates.
Look Marge, I'll vote for whomever wins the primary. I'm ultra critical right now because I want the best possible contender against the evil one.
Margie| 8.13.11 @ 11:03PM
True enough about the lesser knowns I suppose. Especially if a lot of people don't do their own research.
And I'm with you. I'm going to vote for whoever wins the Republican primary and have since day one.
Last but not least, my comment wasn't toward you personally, but to add to what you were saying.
Okeedokee?
Okeedokee.
Bob Grant| 8.13.11 @ 11:53PM
Marge,
No worries.
John Roberts | 8.14.11 @ 12:06AM
Perry was Texas chairman for Al Gore's 1988 presidential bid! No, I'm not kidding. Now that's an inconvenient truth. Let's move on.
Margie| 8.14.11 @ 12:32AM
Really? Was Algore sane back then perchance? LOL.
Solo| 8.14.11 @ 12:38AM
Clint Wrote:
"Rick Perry, signed an executive order forcing young Texas schoolgirls to get the HPV vaccine even if it was against their will — even if it was against their parents’ will — "
Nonsense!
First of all, HPV infects over 20 Million people in this country. Of that number are a full 25% of all 14 to 24 year olds. An alarming trend, to say the least.
Moreover....there have been over 40 million doses of Gardasil distributed world wide with no serious side effects (the most notable being soreness around the injection site).
AND..... Perry's Executive Order allowed for an opt out provision. So....no one in Texas was "forced" to take the vaccine.
The only ones in Texas who were "forced" into anything were the insurance companies (they were forced to include the vaccinations in their coverage) and Medicaid (who were charged with providing the vaccine at no cost).
http://www.thepoliticalguide.c.....6227230808
What is it with you PaulBots, Clint? Everything is like a "Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion"--a lie that keeps coming back no matter how many times it's exposed.
Margie| 8.14.11 @ 1:23AM
Actually, there have been 68 deaths according to the CDC.
And nearly 18,000 side effects.
And this vaccine was given before it was even fully tested, and there were deaths.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=68454
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafe.....dasil.html
I think it's horrible.
darcy| 8.14.11 @ 2:50AM
Good work, Margie -- you did your research and presented the facts to Solo. Now maybe Solo will do a little fact finding before holding forth on his opinion, (or hers, as the case may be).
Though Solo does have a point about the "opt out" provision, it would have been far better had he established an "opt in" provision that required parents to read and sign the literature related to the vaccine, including that information which Margie cited, before signing their daughters up for the vaccine.
One other thing. Mandating a vaccine that presupposes promiscuity among middle-and high-school-age girls is not the business of the government. The man who today said he wanted the federal government to be "inconsequential" in our lives, by his Gardasil mandate demonstrated just the opposite. And he sent a message that it's ok to engage in sex outside of marriage; the government will take care of you by making sure you don't pay the consequences.
Taking away the consequences of sinful behavior breeds more sinful behavior, not less; breeds more immorality, not less; leads to unplanned pregnancies and often the final solution, murder of unborn children.
It was a disgraceful act by Perry; again, in the name of compassion. It's a very liberal position to take, and not conservative at all.
And another thing while I'm at it. Amnation.com/vfr put Perry through the spin cycle over his comments related to New York state's homosexual marriage law and his smoothing it over -- after conservatives rightly hit the roof -- by appealing to federalism. If you're interested, go there and run a search to pull up the comments from several weeks ago.
Me? I would so love it if behind his speech today was a man of depth, courage, and conviction, a man of conservative principles ready to wage war with the socialists and all the other utopians bent on our destruction. But as of now, I remain unconvinced that Perry is that man.
Pelligrino| 8.14.11 @ 2:32AM
I have a problem with "mandatory." Particularly as it relates to this -- and the ages of girls so young.
Can this be true? Above I posted on Texas' stance; here is Virginia's: "requires girls entering the sixth grade to be vaccinated."
Sixth grade seems so young.
Futher, "The measure passed the Virginia Assembly. Went into effect in Virginia October 1, 2008; implemented in fall of 2009."
Yes, there is an "opt out" apparently. But a state like Virginia? Surely this cannot be -- mandatory? (mandatory to be able to attend school)
**And this country requires the HPV vaccination of all women between 11 and 26 who are intending to enter the US legally?
Margie| 8.14.11 @ 4:47AM
There's a Dr. Hoffman of radio fame out of NYC that I've listened to for a couple of decades now. In fact, if you want to be highly informed on all things medical and including how to stay really healthy you should listen to his podcasts if you cannot get him on the radio. He's cutting edge with all the latest info.
Anyhow, here's what he says about the vaccine:
http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/846
I'm only writing about the vaccine, and am not into using it in any way to disparage Perry.
I hope Moms and Dads everywhere will find out about this horrible thing and keep their children away from it.
Darcy is right. It reminds me of how the attitude towards children in the schools and in the world in general is, "Oh well, they're gonna do it anyway, so we might as well teach them how to use condoms."
It's really sickening.
No, we should care enough about these little ones to teach them instead what sinful behavior will do to them and warn them of the consequences.
But this garbage shouldn't even be taught to them at such young ages. It's an utter disgrace.
Children aren't allowed to be children anymore. It's really sad.
I've been reading up on vaccines and have found out that they are bombarding babies with them all at once~ they don't even spread them out anymore. They give all kinds of double and triple shots and close together.
This really compromises the immune systems of tiny babies.
There's so much information to be had out there online. And written by doctors. and there are studies as well.
I recently had to go to the emergency room for a cat scratch that turned into a staph infection. The docs asked me if I've had a tetanus shot recently, and no, I haven't since I was a child.
After reading up about the actual stats on how rare tetanus is in this country, and that even if you get the vaccine, it doesn't actually prevent the disease, I refused it at first.
I gave in though because instead of trusting my gut, I let them convince me I needed it.
It's the first vaccine for anything I've had since childhood.
I refuse all flu shots and everything. I'm just waiting for the side effects of this shot I got which contained diptheria as well as tetanus, and hope nothing happens. But it got me studying up on vaccines.
When you really read about how amazing our immune systems are by themselves, and then how we are pumped with all these vaccines, you have to wonder how necessary a lot of them really are.
For example, did you know that a lot of people who were vaccinated with the Polio vaccine got Polio?
It's hard to sort out truth from fiction, too. I was really torn about getting the Tetanus shot, and am left wondering if I shouldn't have.
Conservative View| 8.14.11 @ 9:10AM
FROM THE AMATEUR NOSTRADAMUS
I am going to play Nostradamus here. A prediction of our future.
The Presidents pole numbers will remain reasonably stable up until October. He will remain, according to the Rasmussen poles, right around -16, plus or minus a few points. Then it's going to hit the fan. The American economy will hit a major down turn. This down turn will likely start in Europe and spread like a wild fire across the globe. This will cause a drop in the Presidents pole numbers. The more the Presidents numbers drop, the more Americans will be looking for a strong fiscal conservative to lead them out of the mess. This situation will favor Michelle Bachman and Rick Perry.
Obama will mobilize his army. His people will start a massive slander campaign against both Bachman and Perry that will make what liberals did to Sara Palin look like a love fest. The 2012 election will be the nastiest campaign in American history. ACORN will rise again under a new name and new guise. The 2012 elections will be characterized by the massive amount of "grave stone" voters who with ghostely steps saunter into the voting booths.
Either Bachman or Perry will win the election. And then the next uncivil war will begin.
Our country is as divided now as it was just before the Civil War, and there was nothing civil in that war at all. Our country is divided between the "Ondoles" and the "Nodoles". The Ondoles are the people who receive a life free of personal responsibility supported by government entitlements. The Nodoles are those who live a life of complete responsibility getting little or nothing from the government. There are a great many people in our country that vote liberal because they get all but free housing assistance, free medical attention, education, food, and the like. A strong fiscal conservative must, to save the country, hack away at these entitlements. The Nodoles who end up paying for these entitlements will support the President in this endeavor.
And then come the riots in the streets. And there will be riots. The next uncivil war will be fought in places like LA, and NYC, you will see battles in Atlanta and Detroit. The two ideals will clash in bloody conflict, the ideal that "We must help the poor no mater the cost" against the ideal that "The poor must first help themselves." It will be collective responsibility vs. individual responsibility.
Which side will win depends entirely on what happens not on the streets, but on the college campuses. If there is bloody revolt gainst the college professors that cram liberalism down the throats of our young, the Nodoles will win. If the students side with the professors the Ondoles will take ultimate control of our country. The battleground, the real battleground of these bloody riots will be inside the topless towers of intellectual fraud.
In a war, it is the young that decide the outcome.
I am not happy or proud of this prediction. Frankly it scares the life out of me. But I am by trade a mathematician. The science fiction author Isacc Asimov, in his Foundation series, put forward the law of probable outcomes. He suggested that you could "model" the outcome of any series of events before they occurred . You could do so mathematically. Largely he was right. My prediction above is based on the mathematics of probable outcomes. That Europe will likely collapse is based on the wisdom of economists, that the Presidents pole numbers will fall is based on historical events, and so on. As one event affects another, a probable outcome emerges. To quote another author of science fiction, Robert Heinland, "Nobody can stand an honest fortune teller. Cassandra got exactly what was coming to her." I don't expect anyone who reades this prediction to like it any more than I, or like me very much for suggesting it.
Conservative View| 8.14.11 @ 10:49AM
The seeds of unrest between the Ondoles and the Nodoles are growing faster than even I suspected. Please read what happened at the Wisconsin State Fair. This should scare everyone in the country. Here it comes people. Here it comes.
Solo| 8.14.11 @ 9:45AM
Margie....I think you should read your own link more carefully:
"VAERS data cannot be used to prove a causal association between the vaccine and the adverse event. The only association between the adverse event and vaccination is temporal, meaning that the adverse event occurred sometime after vaccination. Therefore, the adverse event may be coincidental or it may have been caused by vaccination, however we cannot make any conclusions that the events reported to VAERS were caused by the vaccine.
HPV Vaccine Safety
There are two licensed HPV vaccines, Gardasil® and Cervarix®, available to protect against the types of HPV infection that cause most cervical cancers. Gardasil® was licensed for use in females, age 9-26 years in June 2006 and for males age 9-26 years in Oct 2009. Cervarix® was licensed for use in females age 10-25 in October 2009.
The safety of HPV vaccines was studied in clinical trials worldwide before licensure. For Gardasil® , over 29,000 males and females participated in these trials. For Cervarix®, over 30,000 females participated in several clinical trials. "
First...as you can see, there is no scientifically confirmed link between Gardasil and any notable side effects. (This from your CDC website link).
The reason for this, I strongly suspect, is that there are no toxins in the vaccine. They don't use live (or dead) virus. What they use is a genetic marker (or fragment) of the virus which cannot reproduce within the body. In short...it's safer than a flu shot.
Second..over 29000 teenagers were involved in the initial trials for this vaccine. It was fully approved for use by the FDA and the CDC and deemed to be safe.
The specious associations between Gardasil and patient death ( as stated in the WND article) are just that; specious.
It's a classic example of the logical fallacy known as "Post Hoc-Ergo Propter Hoc": 'B' follows 'A', therefore, 'A' causes 'B'.
It all makes for a great urban legend tossed about at web sites like Prison Planet--but, it has no basis in science.
Margie| 8.14.11 @ 11:50AM
Solo,
I'm sorry that you saw fit to try and misrepresent what I posted. You only posted the first few paragraphs concerning the vaccine, and not the rest.
First of all, VAERS simply means, "Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System."
The rest of the story that you left off reads as follows:
"As with all VAERS reports, serious events may or may not have been caused by the vaccine."
And then it goes on to report the deaths and cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, blood clots, and deaths that occurred after young people received the vaccine.
Anyone can read for themselves. And Dr. Hoffman is an honest and excellent Dr., and WND wasn't being "specious".
It isn't honest though for you to try and downplay the seriousness of this stupid and deadly vaccine.
If you are doing it JUST because you are for Rick Perry, you shouldn't. You should allow the truth to be told about the vaccine.
Rick Perry, to me is a fine candidate, and perhaps he had no idea about the deaths and side effects. Perhaps his lobbyists convinced him it is a great thing and at that time results weren't in.
I'm not judging him on this because I think that what I just said is probably the case. I like the guy. It isn't changing my mind about him, and in fact makes me want to find out just how much he does realize about the vaccine.
I am certainly NOT assigning him any guilt.