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Yesterday, The Left came out in full force on the Sunday talk shows to cast blame on the Tea Party for last Friday’s credit rating downgrade by Standard & Poor’s.
Former Obama Senior Advisor David Axelrod told Bob Schieffer on Face the Nation that S&P’s decision was “a Tea Party downgrade” because of political “brinkmanship.” Yet at the same time, the Obama Administration is trying to have it both ways insisting that S&P based its decision on “a $2 trillion mistake.”
Sorry but the Obama Administration can’t have its cake and eat it. Either S&P’s decision to downgrade our credit rating was based on valid information or it isn’t. The Obama Administration cannot make the claim the S&P’s decision was based on a mathematical error and then turn around and blame the Tea Party. But let’s suppose S&P did make a $2 trillion error. How is the Tea Party responsible? The Obama Administration cannot have it both ways.
Speaking of having it both ways, Senator John Kerry, during an appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press, also characterized last Friday’s developments as “a Tea Party downgrade” stating “a minority of people in the House of Representatives countered even the will of many Republicans in the United States Senate who were prepared to do a bigger deal.” And would that minority include the 95 House Democrats who voted no, Senator Kerry?
Somehow I doubt that S&P cares a whit about the “brinkmanship” that went into the passage of the Budget Control Act much less how Michele Bachmann or Dennis Kucinich voted. All S&P was concerned about was the final product before them and they didn’t like what they saw.
Finally, former Vermont Governor and DNC Chair Howard Dean made his voice heard as well. Dean, who like Axelrod appeared on Face the Nation, said the downgrade was “a Tea Party problem.” He added, “I think they’ve been smoking that tea and not just drinking it.” I hear that smoking tea can be good for you. It calms the nerves and inhibits one from screaming.
As I have written previously, unlike Canada, given our separation of powers and given that Republicans control one branch of the legislature, no effort will be spared to minimize President Obama’s role in the credit downgrade and that effort has now hit the ground running.
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Pete| 8.8.11 @ 10:05AM
Here's another WH approach...vilify the S&P itself. From an online TIME article:
"Having Standard & Poors downgrade the creditworthiness of the United States, and warn it about further downgrades, is a little like having the Catholic Church lecture scout leaders on the proper behavior toward boys. The moral authority seems to be wanting. S&P, you may recall, is one of the ratings agencies, the others being Moody's and Fitch, that greased the skids of the financial crisis by awarding AAA ratings to tranche after tranche of mortgage bonds called collaterized debt obligations, or CDOs."
Pretty pathetic.
simon templar| 8.8.11 @ 10:14AM
Pete, do not waste your time. TAS for the most part, except for a very few exceptions. is made up of GOP sycophants, castrated, impotent, scared of their shadow beltway republicans, and political codependents and enablers. They have no guts, no vision, no courage, no fire. Perpetual whiners, losers, and incompetents.
Tea Party, now and forever..keep building the TEA movement..it is are only hope!
Occam's Tool| 8.8.11 @ 11:27AM
Yes, Simon, but they have you as a blog commenter. Awesome!
Michael L. Hauschild| 8.8.11 @ 12:49PM
Simon says........Simon comprehends......Simon RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oldefarte| 8.8.11 @ 2:10PM
'TEA movement..it is ARE only hope' ??????
Clint| 8.8.11 @ 10:33AM
Do Your Homework.
Sex Abuse In Other Religious Groups & The Public School System Trumped The Sex Abuse In The Catholic Church.
It Is Exactly This Kind Of Mainstream Media Agendists' Manipulation & Propaganda That They Are Now Attempting On We Tea Party Patriots & All Of Our Candidates.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Now Vetting Our Candidates For The 2012 Second WaveElections.
Carpe Diem.
simon templar| 8.8.11 @ 10:06AM
This news? My gosh, jimminy crickets, who'd woulda guessed?
Here we go again, since we only control an 'ith' of the federal government ( forget our dominance across the country on the state and local levels) we are balless, impotent, and hairless to do anything, ANYTHING to stop the lying, distortion, and political smearing. My god, you sound like a bunch of codependents married to an abusive spouse that has a drinking and gambling habit that is destroying the 'family.' Helpless!
Goldstein, grow a pair.
Clint| 8.8.11 @ 10:23AM
This Is The Same David Axelrod, Who Played The Bogus Race Card Against Sam Katz In The Katz-Street Philadelphia Mayoral Election.
We Tea Party Patriots Are In A Media War With The Democrats, Their Liberal Media Agendists & Their RINO-CINO Fellow Travelers.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Ramping Up For The 2012 Elections.
Rise Up.
Ohiolad| 8.8.11 @ 11:15AM
Yes, this was the same Axelrod who dreamed up the "Birther" smear campaign tactic to stigmatize anyone who wanted to have a closer look at Obama's birth records.
Purple Lips| 8.8.11 @ 10:25AM
That rascally Tea Party. If they didn't pass ObamaCare, the BigAuto Bailouts, and the Stimulus, we wouldn't be in this mess!
Occam's Tool| 8.8.11 @ 11:29AM
I was in Cape Cod last week, and two idiot Liberal Women were blaming Bush for the downgrade. Jeez.
At least my Aunt Linda voted against the Putz, I found out yesterday. I'm NOT the only Conservative Jew in the Family.
Occam's Tool| 8.8.11 @ 11:29AM
"The Putz" referring to Obama.
Sean| 8.8.11 @ 10:41AM
Yeah because not wanting deficit spending, wanting to cut overall spending, wanting a balanced budget are all things that led to a down grade. It wasn't the Democrats and beltway Republicans spending like drunken sailors that did it.
Steve A| 8.8.11 @ 10:46AM
The Obama dog & pony show is now officially a self made joke. They continue to delude themselves that we are gonna party like it's 1999 & even the media is starting to tire of carrying the water for these buffoons. It's so transparent to even the casual observer it should be embarrasing to those with a shred of dignity, yet they continue to play an exposed hand face up. Bluff called.
Al Adab| 8.8.11 @ 11:04AM
I would expect Obama to take the credit. After all, during the campaign he promised to "fundamentally transform America." How many other Presdients have kept their promises so well?
Occam's Tool| 8.8.11 @ 7:28PM
It's fun to look at the rasmussen reports. He's now in the negative double digits of -18% between stronlgly approve and strongly disapprove. When he was inaugurated, he was + 28%. That's a swing of 46% over his term! He's going dowwwwwn!
nohype| 8.8.11 @ 11:06AM
The Democrats must spin the downgrade because if people believe that we need to trim spending to avoid financial Armageddon, there is no case for re-electing Obama. Obama is a spender, not a budget cutter. Electing a spender may have seemed like a good idea during the recession of 2007-2009. (It turned out that Keynesian fiscal policy was less effective than its proponents claimed, but many people expected it to work.) However, it is insanity to elect a spender when the budget is out of control and the credibility of our debt is in question. In a little more than a year we will learn if this country is insane or not.
Lentenlands | 8.8.11 @ 11:13AM
It really should be called the S&P's Marxist-Progressive-Leftist-Liberal-Democrat-Obama Downgrade Of America.
Collapsing the economy, creating anarchy and starting a civil war has always been the goal of the marxists plotting to destroy the American Dream and marxist Barry Obama is no exception. Obama’s marxist college professors, Cloward and Piven, were quite forthright in their efforts to formulate a method to collapse the economy to destroy America and usher in a marxist tyranny of slavery and death.
"The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis, the "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse."
Our Manchurian President is simply a treasonous usurper partying, vacationing and golfing as his marxist plan of destruction unfolds. Obama and his pals are TERRORISTS destroying YOUR Nation and future.
It’s time to wake up America and do something about it!
http://smashabanana.blogspot.com
WinnieR| 8.10.11 @ 2:15PM
If the plan is total collapse, then this plan has been in the works for years and is now progressing faster. But ask yourself: was the housing collapse intended and therefore not given a bad bond rating to alert investors? If that is a possibility, then it's possible S&P is down-grading us now to create a less stable economy.
Lentenlands | 8.8.11 @ 11:29AM
It really should be called the S&P's Marxist-Progressive-Leftist-Liberal-Democrat-Obama Downgrade Of America.
Collapsing the economy, creating anarchy and starting a civil war has always been the goal of the marxists plotting to destroy the American Dream and marxist Barry Obama is no exception. Obama’s marxist college professors, Cloward and Piven, were quite forthright in their efforts to formulate a method to collapse the economy to destroy America and usher in a marxist tyranny of slavery and death.
"The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis, the "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse."
Our Manchurian President is simply a treasonous usurper partying, vacationing and golfing as his marxist plan of destruction unfolds. Obama and his pals are TERRORISTS destroying YOUR Nation and future.
It’s time to wake up America and do something about it!
http://smashabanana.blogspot.com
Ed| 8.8.11 @ 11:38AM
Totalitarian dictatorships share a common practice of blaming some group for their failings. The Nazis blamed the Jews, the Soviets blamed the Kulaks (middle class farmers), and now the Progressives blame the Tea Partiers. Historically, this tale does not have a happy ending.
The only bright side to this is that in the USA, we have our Second Amendment rights.
All American American| 8.8.11 @ 12:19PM
Don't forget that mainstream/beltway Republicans also blame the Tea Party. Heck one of them on here blamed teh Tea Party for McCain losing to Obama in 08. (Hint: The Tea Party didn't exist then).
2nd Amendment is fine and dandy, but how many of us truly, I mean TRULY will resist if and when the Police State comes to confiscate them?
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.8.11 @ 1:23PM
All American,
me for one.
God bless
All American American| 8.8.11 @ 4:13PM
Me too Ken. Already had "the talk" with the wife and family. Thank you and God bless you too.
Kingofthenet| 8.8.11 @ 12:05PM
I know you Conservatives live in your own little 50's American bubble, but this IS the 'Tea party' Downgrade, Don't believe me? Do you Believe the Tea party itself...
http://motherjones.com/mojo/20.....dit-rating
simon templar| 8.8.11 @ 12:33PM
Capitalist running dogs! Long live the socialist revolution! Free everything for everybody. Do what ever feels good! Money from heaven for everyone! No, not heaven, sorry there is no god except Marx, Lenin, and Darwin..the new trinity.
Is that about right...king of the idiots?
Dixie Pixie| 8.8.11 @ 3:02PM
Greetings You-all
Does anyone believe that Mother Jones is fair , accurate and known for its intellectual honesty?
I have always known them to be an reliable mouthpiece for the Left and firmly in the Socialist Propaganda Camp.
So it not surprising to find them on the same Democratic Party wavelength.
Heck, They may be on the morning democratic party strategy conference call.
simon templar| 8.8.11 @ 5:08PM
Dixie, I was being completely sarcastic.
Dixie Pixie| 8.8.11 @ 6:30PM
Greeting Simon
Yes I know.
I was just under-cutting the King of Lefty Tools argument and assisting your own.
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.8.11 @ 1:27PM
Net king ass,
thanks for dropping in. We need to know what our sworn enemies are saying. Hopefully we will meet some day soon. heh.
David| 8.8.11 @ 2:31PM
Look, anybody with half a brain can counter your assertion. What Obama wanted was a clean debt increase of more than $2 trillion with no taxes and no cuts. Whether the S&P wanted taxes and/or cuts is not known, but it did say that the debt and deficits (both too high) are the cause of the downgrade. So, if Obama had gotten his way, the S&P would still have issued the downgrade because we would neither have cut spending nor raised taxes. On the flip side, but for the Tea Party and its spending cuts, the debt and the deficits would be worse because a clean debt increase would not have reduced spending or raised taxes. So, by belittling the Tea Party, the statists on the left are admitting that they are completely off base because they advocated a clean (no cuts/no taxes) increase in the debt limit which would have been worse than spending cuts alone. So, the downgrade cannot be attributed to the Tea Party because the Tea Party moved us closer to what the S&P wanted than Obama would have done with his clean increase in the debt ceiling.
Warrior | 8.8.11 @ 4:58PM
How do you feel about the 95 democrats who voted no to the final bill. How about the democrats who mostly along party lines refused to support the Ryan plan, Cut-Cap & Balance and mostly any bill that didn't include the tax increases so desperately sought by all liberals? How do you feel about Obama's budget that did not garner a single vote in the Senate? How do you feel about the lack of any budget being put forth that a democrat will support for the last three years? How do you feel about your comments that you put in writing without hesitation that eliminates any doubt of you being a complete moron?
Occam's Tool| 8.8.11 @ 7:29PM
Once again, National Socialist Blowhard King Comes to Amuse Us with His Idiot Antics.
Conservative View| 8.8.11 @ 7:32PM
As so many liberals you believe - -
One should never allow a few facts to stand in the way of a good slander.
Trinacria| 8.8.11 @ 2:32PM
Came home with a $295,000 Lamborghini last month. The wife was PISSED - went on about the fact that we are both out of work and in debt up to our ears. "Not to worry," I told her, "I was going to buy the $495,000 Ferrari, so the CBO scored my purchase as a $200,000 reduction in spending over the life of the loan."
All should've ended well, but when I missed the first month's payment, Equifax downgraded my credit rating (those bastards). THIS IS ALL MY WIFE'S FAULT! Even though the CBO clearly endorsed my deficit reduction plan, my wife insisted on partisan bickering over my recent purchase and even demanded that I return the car and stop my "out of control spending" (women can be soooo dramatic!). Why, she was practically holding a gun to my head and threatening to pull the trigger if I didn't return the car. Clearly, Equifax saw this partisan hostage-taking negotiation tactic on the part of my wife as a sign that we weren't willing to compromise on a balanced approach to solving our deficit problems. To make matters worse, I'm pretty sure they want me to fail because I'm black.
All is not lost,however, because I still have hope (which is good, because what we need in times of crisis is hope and change). With this in mind, I announced to my family this morning that I'm launching a bold 3-pronged plan to address this serious financial crisis:
1) Divorce my partisan, ideologically driven, hostage-taking wife
2) Implement a 10-year deficit reduction plan that eliminates the planned upgrade to the $495,000 Ferrari in 2016 and settling instead for the more pedestrian $395,000 model
3) Sue Equifax for discrimination
I'm pretty sure this plan has a chance; if not, I'll have to resort to Plan B: Blame my wife's ex-husband (after all, he created the mess I inherited...).
David| 8.8.11 @ 2:38PM
Your wife is a real b***h
Trinacria| 8.8.11 @ 2:46PM
I know! I sent out a talking-points memo to my kids instructing them to refer to the downgrade as the "B***h Downgrade"...
All American American| 8.8.11 @ 4:28PM
LOL classic!!!
W| 8.8.11 @ 5:41PM
Trinacria, I see the Sicliano brain at work. funny stuff,
Conservative View| 8.8.11 @ 7:34PM
Outstanding. Excellent. That really hits it. Well done sir, well done.
David| 8.8.11 @ 2:34PM
Saying the S&P is wrong and then blaming the Tea Party is like denying that you killed someone but then claiming if you did kill them, it was self defense. Both cannot be true.
Oldefarte| 8.8.11 @ 2:39PM
DiemCarpe=Seize the Day
Carpet Diem=Seize the Carpet
Car Payment Diem=Seize the Checkbook
Carpe Diarrheam=Seize the Toilet Paper
Carpe Duh=Seize the Idiot
Carp Diem=Fish of the Day
Crampy Diem=Seize the Midol
Carpe Diet=Seize the Rice Cakes
Carpe Dig'Em=Seize the Sugar Smacks
Carpal Diem=Seize the Knuckles
Carnal Diem=Seize the Smut
Carpe Diplomam=Seize the Sheepskin
Carp In Denim = Fish in pants.
Margie| 8.8.11 @ 3:19PM
Hilarious, OldeFarte!
But just remember~ the TEA party is NOT represented by the above to whom you reply.. namely Carpe Flee 'em & co.
Margie| 8.8.11 @ 3:49PM
I am referring of course to the ilk belonging to the faction of Clintypoo/Tim* who actually refer to Allen West as a "Rino-Cono" and do not think he is a "true" conservative.
The Paul-bots with a mission, only not a true TEA party mission.
Clint| 8.8.11 @ 4:21PM
"Tea Party Favorite Allen West Calls the Movement Schizophrenic
The Black Republican is being targeted because of his debt-ceiling vote.
By Joyce Jones
Posted: 08/01/2011 11:26 AM EDT
Filed Under Allen West
Rep. Allen West (R-Florida), one of two Black Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives, elicited a few raised eyebrows and some laughs last week when he jumped up during a Republican conference meeting to whip support for Speaker John Boehner’s debt ceiling bill and said, “I’m ready to drive the car.” He was responding to a clip shown to the group from the movie The Town, in which one character told another that he needed a driver to take him to go hurt some people, no questions asked. Now, it seems, West may have driven his political career off of a cliff. He is one of four lawmakers being targeted by Tea Party organizations working to punish members for voting yes on the Boehner proposal."
The Tea Party Is Now Ramping Up For The 2012 Elections.
Carpe Diem.
Occam's Tool| 8.8.11 @ 7:34PM
Well, he's a very bright man who has Seen The Elephant, Mr. Air, unlike you. His use of schizophrenic is, of course, incorrect as it is a layperson's use. The correct term would be multiple personalitied. For example, there's the antisemitic impotent whiny looney fringe typified by Ron Paul, and then there's the Gorgeous Sexy Conservative Babe segment typified by Michele and Sarah.
I, of course, listen to the women who resemble my wife.
Clint| 8.8.11 @ 7:49PM
You're A Slandering Liar Screwball Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Traitor Bastard, Tool Job.
Aaaaaand, You're A Tool Job, Bottom Of The Barrel.Sorry-Ass Excuse For A Government Shrink.
Dr.Ron Paul,
" Our military is already dangerously extended, and this administration
wants to expand our involvement. When will our bombing in Libya end? Is
President Obama seriously considering military action against Syria? We
are facing $2 trillion dollar deficits, and the American taxpayer cannot
afford any of it.
“Our military’s purpose is to defend our country, not to police the
Middle East.
“As the President prepares to send even more support to Egypt, we should
be reminded that it was our foreign aid that helped Mubarak retain power
to repress his people in the first place. Now we have to deal with the
consequences of those decisions, yet we keep repeating the same mistakes.
“I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign
policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies.
Most Americans know that makes no sense.
“We need to come to our senses, trade with our friends in the Middle
East (both Arab and Israeli), clean up our own economic mess so we set a
good example, and allow them to work out their own conflicts.”
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Ramping Up For The 2012 Elections.
Carpe Diem.
Occam's Tool| 8.8.11 @ 7:37PM
We'll see. Do you live in PA or CA, dumbbell? How's the Xanax without a prescription business doing?
Clint| 8.8.11 @ 7:45PM
Asked & Answered.
Never Met Or Heard Of The Guy Before Dr.Reich, Your Nazi Buddy Brought Him Up.
But Then, You Already Knew That, You Serial Slandering Liar Israel Firster Fanatic Tool Job
Smoke This Asshole:
"Rasmussen Poll:
Iowa Caucus: Bachmann, Romney and Paul on Top
MONDAY, AUGUST 8, 2011
In the Iowa caucus race for the Republican presidential nomination, five candidates are in double digits, and many voters are open to changing their mind before caucus day arrives.
The first Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Iowa’s Likely Caucus Participants shows that Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann attracts 22% support, while former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney earn 21%. Just slightly behind is Texas Congressman Ron Paul at 16%, followed by Texas Governor Rick Perry at 12% and former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty at 11%.
The Tea Party Rebellion Ramps Up For The 2012 Elections.
Carpe Diem."
Margie| 8.8.11 @ 10:44PM
Ever notice how Clintypoo/Tim* likes to quote Leftist scum when trying to destroy good conservatives?
If it isn't Lew Rockwell & his ilk, or AmCon or Justin Raimondo the liar, it's some Leftist hack like Joyce Jones who writes for B.E.T. Mag.
That is of course when he's not pulling out decades old Reagan quotes about his idol, Ron Paul.
Clint/Tim* is getting ready to vote for his dear old brother in law again, and so are his pals here~ he'd rather help re elect Obama again than vote for Allen West.
Oldefarte| 8.8.11 @ 2:50PM
http://youtu.be/_XpVJAX0Yp0
Oldefarte| 8.8.11 @ 3:08PM
With the stock markets crashing all around the world, I hope that all of these MORONS that previously/currnetly blasting the RINOS [but oh no, never the DEMOCRATS] during the defecit/debt congressional battles are now happy in their stupidity. ITS THE DEMOCRATS STUPIDS! If the domestic terrorist party would have cooperated in legislating sizable budetary cuts, the ratings agencies would not have downgraded this country's credit. But oh no, it's BOTH/THEM/RINOS right? No it ain't fools [and it never has been]. Forrest Gump was a genius....STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!!!!!!!
All American American| 8.8.11 @ 4:23PM
Oldefarte, if it'll make you happy OK then, I blame democrats. However the blame IS shared by RINOs who had an opportunity to say NO (and live up to their mid-term promise) to increased spending and instead caved.
I mean if I know someone is a psychopathic killer and I hand him a gun, am I not to blame even a teeny bit when that psychopath goes on a killing spree? The RINOs knew good and well the Dems would keep borrowing and spending and printing money, yet they handed them a $2,000,000,000,000+ blank check anyway.
Nice.
Clint| 8.8.11 @ 4:26PM
Many Of We Tea Party Patriots Listened To Dr.Ron Paul & Moved Blocks Of Our Portfolios Into Gold, After Taking Profits Off The Table.
The Tea Party Rebellion Ramps Up For The 2012 Elections.
Carpe Diem.
Occam's Tool| 8.8.11 @ 7:35PM
"Many of Us," idiot.
Clint| 8.8.11 @ 8:09PM
The Bus Calls The Lemon Pie Yellow.
The MensaBoy Tool Job, Who Always Has To Correct His Own Posting Errors Is Now Reduced To Playing Lecturing. School Marm.
Get Bent Asshole.
Dixie Pixie| 8.8.11 @ 3:13PM
Greetings You-all
Does anyone else remember when lying to the American Public was considered a mortal sin and grounds for criminal indictment and impeachment?
It still a Felony to lie to a Federal Officer.
The reciprocal used to be the normal, decades ago.
I remember when it was university acknowledged that lying to the public even once and in a good cause undermined the public confidence in government.
So as not to break faith, all Public Officials strived to maintain the appearance if not the fact of honesty.
So, When did it become normal for Democratic Party and / or governmental officials to blatantly and malicious lie to the Public.
Or has the Democratic Party decided that the public is so gullible and stupid they will believe anything an official says.
Do they not know or simply not care they are causing a permanent rupture between the People and the Government.
Margie| 8.8.11 @ 3:18PM
"So, When did it become normal for Democratic Party and / or governmental officials to blatantly and malicious lie to the Public."
FDR & his merry band of New Deals?
Al Adab| 8.8.11 @ 3:57PM
Well, they did campaign on the promise to "fundamentally change America." Apparently no one was listening (except for a few old red neck bigots and Tea Party Terrorists) aside from Conservatives.
Now, instead of playing the blame game,like The Left is doing, we had better fiigure out how to get this train wreck cleared up and the train back on the tracks. They are still arguing that we need more deficit spending and the market is saying STOP. Anybody in the administration listening?
All American American| 8.8.11 @ 4:26PM
All part of the plan Dixie. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if between now and election time there is something akin to an American "Reichstag" moment. I would even bank on it if a Tea Partier like Bachman wins the R primary. Anything to implement the complete and total "fundamental transformation" of America.
Dixie Pixie| 8.8.11 @ 7:27PM
Greeting Margie, Double and Triple A.
Wow, a ratings upgrade in one line.
Maybe I am the one who is missing a concept somewhere.
It is a fundamental principle that a government survives only with the consent of the population.
Once that consent in gone that government will fall sooner or later.
A critical function in maintaining that consent is promoting a respect for the government in the populace.
Attempted political manipulation through constantly, brazenly lying to the populace is certain to break that respect and thus the consent.
A government openly contemptuous of its population will soon have have that contempt reciprocated.
Since the consent of the populace can only be measured in extremist conditions, the government may not know it is doomed.
The USSR and everyone else certainly never saw the implosion coming.
Is the Obama administration so stupid as not to see the damage they are causing?
Yes, I know some say they know full well what they are doing and believe they are creating a Socialist Utopia through blowing up the old political structures.
But that makes no sense, as in this case the Democrats and Socialists control most of the US Government so it does not benefit them to blow it up with themselves inside.
That would be insane!
Or did I just answer my own question.
All American American| 8.8.11 @ 8:44PM
Dixie, I agree with the argument that a government can only survive with the consent of those governed. However, the statement is missing a key adjective--republican (not the party, the style of government).
We're at a point now where let's face it, we are less and less a Republic and more and more becoming a democracy/mobocracy. And when you have 50% plus on the dole from the government, well hell yes they give the government consent to take even more from the productive class and give it to them.
Remember all those people who were saying they didn't have to worry about car payments or gas money or mortgage payments after Obama got elected? Or the ladies who stood in line in Detroit for "free" money and when asked where it came from, they replied "I dunno, Obama's stash?" Think THEY consent to higher taxes on you and me, or more "free" govt handout this or entitlement that? HELL yes they do.
We're getting the government with the consent of the people alright. Unfortunately for people like you and me and many who post here its the parasites who consent, and the parasites to whom those in DC govern.
I think its gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.
Dixie Pixie| 8.9.11 @ 12:34AM
Greetings Triple A
With all due respect I think you are confusing the foliage of a few randomly selected trees for the forest that is America.
To quote Chancy Gardner in “Being There”::::
“If the roots are not severed then all is well”.
One good way is to monitor the health of the American forest is what jokes are considered funny.
One such joke is::::
“Welcome to the American Police State and thanks for your participation.”
Also consider the variances of that joke.
The results of that joke and variances are::::
Reagan Era
“That is not funny is we are fighting a real police state in the USSR.”
Bush 41 Era
“That is absurd, the police states are dead and only a golden future awaits us.”
Clinton Era
“That is absurd, everyone is free and prosperous.”
Bush 43 Era
“That can only happen if Bush 43 is not stopped.”
Obama Era
“That is not a joke as it has already happened.”
To further continue Chancy Gardener's point, Obama has severed the roots of the American forest and only a minor wind gust will blow the entire forest down.
We are in serious trouble and the American Republic may not survive the Obama Era.
The recent downgrade to AA+ status is a clear indication of it.
Conservative View| 8.8.11 @ 7:49PM
Dixie
You make an excellent point. In response allow me to point out that when your moral code is "the ends justify the means" and when there are no consequences for bad behaviour, then lieing to the public becomes simply a tool to reach a goal. Until we, the citizens of America, elect officals of at least reasonable moral character we will be continually lied to.
Worse perhaps, at least in my book, is the news media allowing officals to get away without answering a question. Boehner was asked once by Bill O' "so you will not allow earmarks?" To which Boehner replyed "It won't be buisness as usual." Three times Bill asked the question and three times Boehner ducked. He evaded the question. Bill let him get away with it.
I really like, admire, and trust Bill O'. But I wish to God he would learn about "Concent by silence." I wish the news media would hold these people accountable for what they don't say, for what they evade. Boehner, through his silence consented to earmarks.
American voters can not make a reasonable choice as to whom to vote for if we are lied to, and if our questions are evaded. It deprives us of our right to vote, or at least vote reasonably.
You are absolutely right. These politicans are so scared of offending anyone, and so intent on maintaining their position that they are indeed causing a permanent rupture between the People and the Government.
Dixie Pixie| 8.8.11 @ 9:48PM
Greetings Conservative View
Granted the Republican Leadership is famous for its avoidance of political conflict or even disagreement.
You are also correct the Democrats are famous for shameless political gamesmanship and deception.
But my point is deeper than that.
In this last politically created crisis, the Democrats and the Obama Administration demonstrated a almost pathological denial of reality that goes beyond political gamesmanship.
The Democrats lying was so brazen and so easily confirmed as lying that real and serious deep damage is occurring.
Today's speech by Obama was so inconstant with recent reality that it confirms the Democrats have split off in to a Fantasy Reality so any action they do will be inappropriate and thus causing deep and lasting damage to America.
In short the bonds that bind a populace to its government are being broken by the democrats actions and lying.
What is even worse is there is indications the Democratic party membership fully believes in Obama's Fantasy Reality and as a result hates the rest of us for disturbing that reality.
Obama seems to be deliberately trying to inflame all sides and set the Government against the public and vice-versa.
The Obama Administration seems to be oblivious to the possibility of lasting social conflict and damage because of its actions.
Is Obama so stupid that he believes he can control a nation set ablaze by his political fantasies.
Or is Obama and the Democrats truly insane as their statements indicate them to be.
Margie| 8.8.11 @ 10:12PM
Obama feels safe for him and his family. And to him, that's all that counts. He's got a lot of pals in enemy territory. I mean, he can just hop on a plane and go hang out with Chavez.
If things get tough, the cowards get fleeing.
Carpe flee'em. Bye bye Obama.
Yeah, he's out of his mind IMHO, but like a lot of wicked people, he knows exactly what he's doing, and doesn't care about the results.
With the Left, anything they d is the ends justify the means.
Maybe he'd take a vacation visit to Chavez for a spell, or maybe he'll just declare martial law when the unrest takes place.
-OR-
We could vote all of them out by voting Republican from now on.
Conservative Republican, that is, and avoid the disaster.
Because otherwise you see, if we don't~ we're just asking for more of the same.
But then, I've been saying that all along here.
And am considered by a select~ few ~choice individuals as "part of the problem".
Well, we see where not voting has gotten us. Or have we???
Dixie Pixie| 8.9.11 @ 1:16AM
Greetings Margie, Graceful Poster of Elegant Thoughts
Obama and the Democrats are convinced there are safe.
They have the full power of the American Republic at their command.
That is why they feel free to ignore the TEA Party and the rest of America.
My point is they are doing serious and lasting damage to America.
The 2nd Great Depression caused by Obama and the Democrats will see to that.
The true horror is the Democrats refuse to see what they are doing.
The separation of the populace from the Federal Government is increasing due to Obama's policies.
Obama and minions refuse to consider even the possibility of such damage.
One Liberal Pundit has even gone so far as to propose the Red States should be disenfranchised from America as they do not return more revenue to the Federal Government than they receive.
That is a serious proposal floating among democratic thought and is certain to be implemented in the next Obama term.
If that occurs, the the separation of the populace from the Federal Government will be complete.
Civil strife will break out and could escalate to a full Civil War.
Obama has certainly certainly shown no reluctance in fomenting civil strife in the Middle East so why should he not do so in the USA.
Obama has been a disaster for America and is just getting started!
So stay strong Margie, this free-fall into the Abyss is accelerating.
Margie| 8.9.11 @ 10:52AM
Dixie,
I laugh at Liberal pundits, since they are lost, and as the old Zepplin song says, "Dazed & Confused".
Of course, I know that it is no laughing matter in so far as the damage they are wreaking on our country, and will continue to wreak.
But my attitude is one of. "stuff it!"
It is the same one I have toward the TROLLS here who try and say I'm part of the "problem".
The Left and its minions can't take my soul, but they can kill my body. I know where I'm going.
The great Tribulation is coming upon us~ and those who don't know or care to know their Bibles, or the God that wrote it, will be taken by surprise, or worse yet will curse Him for the pain that is coming. (Mt. 24).
In the meantime, I do what I know is best~ I'll place my vote for the Republican candidates who run as conservatives in the party~ and I'll vote for the Republican nominee for President~ much to the scorn of the TROLLS here.
Too bad. It' s what I see fit to do.
God bless America and God bless the true patriots who are already standing strong.
TheRightIsAnythingBut| 8.8.11 @ 10:23PM
You mean W lying about weapons of mass destruction? Those lies?
Dixie Pixie| 8.9.11 @ 1:23AM
Dude , Give it a rest.
That horse has been dead for nearly a decade so why keep beating it.
With the Democratic insanity exposed during the Debt Limit crisis we have far more serious problems that a Bush 43 screwup.
martin j smith| 8.8.11 @ 3:31PM
Hey Aaron, do YOU blame the Tea Party or Obama and his Socialist friends ? Who do you blame ?
BTW: I also give some blame to GWB and John McC
among others.
Aaron Goldstein| 8.8.11 @ 11:47PM
If you feel the need to ask then it's clear you haven't read my post very carefully.
William| 8.8.11 @ 5:51PM
While I think it is unfair to blame the downgrade on the T-Party, this article is misleading or misinformed. This accusation is not based on the claimed $2 trillion error, but on the language of the S&P report which (at least arguably) seemed to suggest that the root problem was the Republican's current -- and presumably future -- refusal to consider tax increases. S&P may have been giving itself political cover, but it also gave the anti- T Party folks some ammunition.
TruthSpeaker| 8.8.11 @ 5:54PM
Last week S&P stated the plan to cut, cap & balance would have kept them from down grading. If I recall this was a plan from the Tea Party members. It was shot down by non tea party members. So again, obama, whose fault is it really? Are you not smart enough to figure this out ? dumba$$
TheRightIsAnythingBut| 8.8.11 @ 10:23PM
I'm sure there'll be a feeding frenzy on this one - but how can any American say this about fellow Americans?
THIENSVILLE, Wis. -- The founder of Tea Party Nation claimed liberal ideology is responsible for "a billion" deaths over the past century during a raucous rally here Saturday in support of one of the six Republican state senators facing a recall election Tuesday.
"I will tell you ladies and gentlemen, I detest and despise everything the left stands for. How anybody can endorse and embrace an ideology that has killed a billion people in the last century is beyond me," said Tea Party Nation CEO Judson Phillips.
Phillips, who a day prior likened protesters of Gov. Scott Walker to Nazi storm troopers, urged a few hundred tea party supporters to turn out for state Sen. Alberta Darling, who is in a ferocious battle with state Rep. Sandy Pasch to hold onto her suburban Milwaukee seat.
But he wasn't the only speaker to use loaded language to gin up the crowd.
Vince Schmuki, a leader of the Ozaukee Patriot tea party group compared the recall effort to a terrorist attack.
"This is ground zero," said Schmuki. "You remember what the term ground zero means? We have been attacked."
Cpm| 8.8.11 @ 10:28PM
"The $2 trillion mistake" pretty much sums up Obamanomics.
Nite| 8.8.11 @ 11:07PM
Obama and his minions (the mindless left) blame everyone for the current problems rather than themselves. Democrats have been in charge of Congress for the past 5 years, and President for the past almost 3 years. They are still trying to blame everything on Bush and the tea party. Idiots!
The Bruce| 8.8.11 @ 11:56PM
Sounds familiar -- throughout his entire presidency, FDR wasted no time at all blaming Hoover each time one of his own ideas to stimulate the economy didn't work.