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It is worth noting that the 87 House Republican freshman voted 59 to 28 in favor of the debt ceiling deal. While a significant number of Tea Party freshmen have voted against the leadership on both the debt ceiling and this spring’s continuing resolution battle, no full-scale freshman revolt has ever materialized.
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They Lie| 8.2.11 @ 12:43AM
Perhaps "no full-scale freshman revolt has ever materialized", but you can rest assured that a full scale conservative voter revolt has and will continue to occur. RINOS and tparty turncoats like Allen West can kiss their asses goodbye. We are on the verge of bankruptcy as a nation because Republicans and Democrats have sold us out for egotistical power. We will not become slaves to a state of ruling class thieves in wing tips. If the thieves in DC thought we were riled up over Obamacare, they "ain't" seen nothing yet.
darcy| 8.2.11 @ 3:37AM
Go get 'em, tiger. I'm with you.
rendite| 8.2.11 @ 6:28AM
Correct. And, yes, "they lie" to us all - the - time. And we ain't going to take it anymore.
They weren't sent to the land of Dysfunctional & Corruption to play nice.
They are there to REVERSE the perversities of overspending, over-taxing, over-regulating; they are their to massively DOWNSIZE government AT ALL LEVELS.
If they don't get it, we'll find stooges who do.
LC Jackboot | 8.2.11 @ 12:49PM
I wouldn't be so quick to throw Allen West under the bus. A single vote doen't make him a turncoat in the lunacy we've seen over the last few weeks. West in a young lion for the party, staunchly conservative and principled by any measure. To threaten him with ejection is way too reactive, especially since we need someone with those creds. If we start throwing out congresscritters on single issues, we'll have succeeded in doing what we do best- Circular Firing Squad, Ready, Aim, FIRE !
CalMark| 8.2.11 @ 1:36PM
Allen West has been a "Company Man" for House leadership. On top of that, he called Tea Party people "schizo." Enough is enough.
I'm tired of his cult.
Goodbye, Allen. Good riddance.
Oldefarte| 8.2.11 @ 1:56PM
As indicated this deal stinks worse than a dead skunk, and its only accompolishments are possibly avoid a credit rating downgrade and a slowing down of governmental spending. There will be no true solutions to this problem if/until the taxpayers begin voting intelligently. While arguing with some here, its now obvious to me that some of you apparently either don't understand the significant differences between Republicans and Democrats or simply know but refuse to acknowledge that difference. The essential tipping point of this problem when this nation elected its current president in November of 2008. Its still dumbfounding to me that this even occurred, as he was/is the most liberal senator/politician that the Democratic Party contained. Previously, a political war occurred within their party between the liberal faction [ie the Kennedys] and the moderate faction [the Clintons], and the former won the battle and thereafter financed and promoted our current president. Their party was well aware however that they could not win the WH without disguising their liberal candidate and propagandizing him as a average, justlike you, everyman [which was a complete falsehood designed to get him votes and elected president]. The American public was brainwashed by them and their minions within the MSM, and the public voted STUPIDLY for this extremist, radical street-merchant from Chicago [who cut his political teeth with Acorn type political corruption]. The public was bombarded with their HOPE & CHANGE bullexcrement and bout it hook,line and sinker. When he came out of his liberal political closet and revealed himself as to the radical that he was/is by conspiring with Pilosi, Reid and other liberal Democrats, the tea party nation was established over the outrage resulting from same. Getting back to my point, the American public [and especially some of these tea partiers] still don't obviously have the ability to see these liberal Democrats for who/what they are and are still being brainwashed. They're combining all DC politicians into a THEM category, instead of making a useful distintinction between the parties and their platforms. These DC Repuublicans are lackadasical and forgetful of the fact that they owe their allegiance to their constituent-voters back home, but they are not Democrats. These Kennedyisk Democrats now have full control of their party and are ruthless and don't give a damn about anthing other than their own political power. They are in the political control of our government [again thanks to our voting stupidity in 2008] and they have/will cram down America's throats their social legislation that causes the present defecit/debt at the expence of taxpayers. They conspiratorially use their gained governmental power to institute social/welfare legislation in order to enlarge the public's dependency upon governmental services and to correspondingly force the voters to re-elect them in return for their granting of this welfare. When the tea partiers refuse to acknowledge the party differences, they are playing right into the Democrats' desired intentions and playbook. Since there are only two parties, if the tea partiers reject Republicans and vote instead for Democrats [as they did in November of 2008 for the current Democrat president], then the Democratic Party has once again succeeded in brainwashing America. I understand tea partiers and all of us conservatives' frustration with this semi-worthless debt deal, but understand that the only solution desirable will come in November of next year if you elect more conservative Republicans to replace current Democrats DC office holders. If the Senate and the WH come into Republican hands/control, then your desired budget reduction of substantial proportions can then be enacted and government spending can be cut in large amounts [by eliminating governmental departments, programs etc that waste taxpayers' money and are the cause of this defecit/debt problem]. I'll conclude by saying a special THANK YOU to the tea party movement of patriots out there who have heroically begun this battle. We all owe you a great debt of gratitude for your courageous fight, but we must all put aside our differences over specific agendas, vote the straight Republican ticket, provide more ground troops to DC freshmen etc Republicans who are fighting for us taxpayers, and we will one day soon hopefully get the desired conclusion that we all strive for!!!!!!!!!
Bob K.| 8.2.11 @ 12:44AM
This means that the 59 who voted in favor of it have concluded that there are more important issues than the debt ceiling as seen by their constituents. They are entering their re-election mode. We have a freshman congressman and already hit ads are appearing against him in prime time evening news TV. And it is not the Tea Party who is purchasing the ads. We forget that these people have to run for re-election every 2 years but they don't.
The Republican leadership of states that went big Republican this past election should be spending their time on redistricting to help entrench these freshmen. The economy will not get better for sure if the Democrats return to power in the house!
beebop| 8.2.11 @ 6:03AM
Just two thoughts on this day that will see the re-re-re start of the zerobama campaign:
1. We need to refocus attention on the "debt" in debt ceiling. People seem to think that it was merely pernicious denial of something that was inevitable. Without understanding on a clearer level that we are borrowing money we do not have to spend it on things a federal government should not be spending -- pell grants for God's sake! -- we cannot hope to defeat the imbecile in the oval.
2. Please go to Gretawire and watch the impassioned address of Marco Rubio. Perry/Rubio 2012.
Southern_Comment| 8.2.11 @ 7:29AM
If you've not gotten over to Numbers USA and checked Perry's grade on immigration - might want to take a look at that.
I like Perry but I do wish he was more decisive towards immigration as that will be a factor for me when I go to vote.
Clint| 8.2.11 @ 6:32AM
Dr. Ron Paul,
“This deal will reportedly cut spending by only slightly over $900 billion over 10 years. But we will have a $1.6 trillion deficit after this year alone, meaning those meager cuts will do nothing to solve our unsustainable spending problem.
“In fact, this bill will never balance the budget. Instead, it will add untold trillions of dollars to our deficit. This also assumes the cuts are real cuts and not the same old Washington smoke and mirrors game of spending less than originally projected so you can claim the difference as a ‘cut.’
“The plan also calls for the formation of a deficit commission, which will accomplish nothing outside of providing Congress and the White House with another way to abdicate responsibility.
“In my many years of public service, there have been commissions on everything from Social Security to energy policy, yet not one solution has been produced out of these commissions."
We Tea Party Patriots Are Taking Names & Numbers.
We Are In Open Rebellion.
Stand In Rebellion.
MacDaddy| 8.2.11 @ 8:34AM
When is the march on D.C.? We need to bring scythes and sickles and pitchforks. Let them send the National Guard and the D.C. police. The RINOs and Demoncrats won't believe we are serious until someone's blood is on the streets.
Same as in Egypt. Same as in Syria. Same as in Libya. They didn't think the 'sheeple' were angry enough to threaten their autocracy....
That is what it will take people. They won't take us seriously until we MAKE them take us seriously.
Make no mistake, we all want the transition of power to be peaceful, that sanity prevail and that policies of fiscal restraint put in place. But when the adversary WON'T relinquish power by obeying the constitution and the rule of law....what else is left?
Conservative Bob| 8.2.11 @ 12:31PM
BS we are not the MOB and we are a long way from MOB rule.
We need to elect more principled conservatives and support them.
Our system is not designed for instant gratification. The checks and balances put in place by the founders is why it took the socialists almost 100 years to get us to this point. I am not saying it will take that long to fix but it certainly is not going to be fixed in a single election.
We must stay focused on the objective and push relentlessly toward our objective of restoring limited constitutional government. Our victory will not be a single overwhelming stroke, much as I would like to wake up tomorrow and see regulations removed departments gone it ain’t going to happen that way.
We must increase the numbers of people in office that think like we do. We must support those who are with us most of the time.
For those of you who feel the Tea Party Caucus caved what exactly do you expect them to do given the reality on the ground? 1) Obama was willing to veto anything that remotely looked like what we want. 2) I am not certain as to the exact numerical breakdown but the freshmen are less than half of the GOP majority. I am not certain as to what percentage of the GOP house caucus is reliably conservative but my guess is something near to just over half. My point is while we may constitute a sold block our numbers limit our power. Our numbers make us currently at best ½ of ½ of 1/3 of the government.
What we had in Nov 2010 was a good start. We stopped the Obama nightmare from achieving its wilder dreams but until we take the senate and the Whitehouse we are not numerically or strategically in a position to enact the reforms we desire.
Find conservative candidates at every level and support them, with your time your money and your votes. We will eventually have the numbers to restore limited government. Do not let a single battle won or lost control your commitment to the cause. Our children and grand children are relying on our resolve to pass to them the liberty and opportunity our fathers and grandfathers passed to us.
Jim| 8.2.11 @ 12:32PM
It is time for a new Revolution. King George had nothing on these guys. From the profligate spending to Obamacare and now government mandated birth control! Enough!!!!
ulyssesmsu| 8.2.11 @ 10:01AM
The headline should be "freshmen" instead of "freshman."
LarryK| 8.2.11 @ 10:04AM
For a bunch of "Tea Baggers", they have no balls.
PattyMor| 8.2.11 @ 1:07PM
It doesn't really matter much how they voted on the second vote. You see the damage was done by the first vote and sending over a bill from the House of Reps. to the Senate. The second vote is mostly political cover.
Wayne | 8.2.11 @ 1:23PM
Exactly, and only 22 held firm.
Wayne | 8.2.11 @ 1:23PM
It was a victory for the establishment (of both parties), but not for the rest of us.
1. Business continues as usual in DC.
2. Direction of discussion now on borrowing and deficit talk is meaningless because we also had NO discussion about cutting taxes. With the recession the GOP should have been demanding further tax cuts.
3. Largest increase in debt limit EVER.
4. Despite no Tea Party revolt, we had the GOP attacking tea party conservatives as unable to govern and being HOBBITS. In other words the GOP establishment started sounding like the Democrats, surprise, surprise.
5. The DOW continues to fall. Remember how we were told that stocks would drop if the debt ceiling wasn't raised? Well it fell even though it was raised.
6. We still will have our AAA bond rating decreased.
7. GOP worried more about being blamed than confronting Obama and the spending - but it will be blamed anyway, just this time the blame comes from the Tea Party.