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The Spectacle Blog
In the current circumstances….
83 percent of respondents to a National Review Online poll support Boehner’s plan
So do the following conservatives:
The Wall Street Journal editorial page (Republicans who oppose
Boehner’s debt deal are playing into Obama’s hands.)
National Review as an institution
John Bolton
Fred Thompson
Douglas Holtz-Eakin
Americans for Tax Reform
Yuval Levin
James Capretta
Rep. Paul Ryan
James Pethokoukis
Mark Thiessen
Brit Hume (Hard-liners rejecting Boehner “are playing with fire,”
could “blow it” by not supporting Boehner, will likely end up with
“far less than they will get with Boehner.”)
George Will
Rep. Allen West
Rep. Eric Cantor
Townhall’s Guy Benson
Matthew Continetti
Charles Krauthammer (it would be “suicidal” for Repubs to kill
Boehner plan)
Laura Ingraham
Haley Barbour
William Kristol (To vote against John Boehner on the House floor
this week in the biggest showdown of the current Congress is to
choose to vote with Nancy Pelosi. To vote against Boehner is to
choose to support Barack Obama. It is to choose to increase the
chances that worse legislation than Boehner’s passes. And it is to
choose to increase the chances that Obama emerges from this
showdown politically stronger.)
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Al Adab| 7.26.11 @ 6:30PM
Cuts promised over ten years will never happen (and we all know it)
Balanced Budget Amendment will never pass the States. An empty gesture.
Threatened veto (I wish) is a ploy to cause dissention in Conservative/GOP ranks (it's working)
Cuts need to be immediate and congruent with limit increase, dollar for dollar.
Louis Tully| 7.27.11 @ 10:26AM
hahaha! Funny that Hillyer pushed latest Valentine to Boehner to the top of the blog. Give it up! The Boehner Plan to borrow us into oblivion is sunk.
Clint| 7.26.11 @ 6:32PM
National Review Is The Home Of NeoCon Israel Firster Faux Conservatism.
These Clowns Have A Bad Habit Of Cutting & Running On Fiscal Conservatism, While They Attempt To Send Our American Warriors Around The World As Cannon Fodder For Their World Police Agenda.
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Rise Up.
Al Adab| 7.26.11 @ 6:46PM
You are thinking of Weekly Standard, the neos. NR is home to the Movement Coms.
That is one of our problems of course: Neo, Movement, Fiscal, Social, Paleo plus the Libertarian here and there. We are a minority of a minority. Not a promising future even if we are the only remaining source of Liberty and ideas.
Clint| 7.26.11 @ 7:05PM
Half Right.
"The National Review is a traditional right-wing weekly that largely supported neoconservative foreign policy ideas during the Bush presidency particularly in the publications of its few core neocon writers like erstwhile National Review blogger David Frum."
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 9:45AM
http://youtu.be/Z30qbv5BWks
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 4:29PM
The one/only true political conservative relief will come about in November of next year. The morons that ELECTED THESE DEMOCRATS are to blame, not the Republicans. The Democrats legislated welfarecare, stimulus instead of cutting governmental programs that would have lessened the defecit/debt. Once again, these idiots here need to refocus their ire, use their brain cells [if possible] and redirect their political smears!!!!!
simon templar| 7.26.11 @ 6:37PM
The key here is exactly, "in the current circumstances." It is better than doing nothing and completing caving..that is a fact but it is a far cry from REAL change and what is Necessary to get this country back to sanity and solvency. Our biggest failings as conservatives and republicans is not effectively communicating to the American public on how we got here, what exactly is the problem, and how to get out of it. But moreover, we have not succeeded in explaining what conservativism stands for in philosophy as well as practicality particularly in the role of government and economics.
PCC| 7.27.11 @ 11:00AM
Well said, Simon. It's time to declare victory and gird our loins for the next battle.
Clint| 7.26.11 @ 6:51PM
Economic Liars Are Attempting To Fool & Scare Joe Six Packs,Who Are Intimidated By Big Government Economic Agendists ,Who Want To Fleece Them & Piss Their Hard Earned Money Down Their Confiscated Taxpayers Money Financed Piss Hole Of Fiscal Socialist Wealth Transfers & Keynesian Interference In The Free Market.
Be A Smart Consumer/Worker/Investor American & Do Some Due Diligence & See The Economic Lies Of The Socialist Deconstructionists.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here & Now.
Hold This Hill.
Sandy| 7.26.11 @ 10:13PM
Clint- You need to back off. You are sounding more and more like the Oslo killer. Every one of your posts are against the government, and both parties. The Oslo killer was also against the Norweigan government, and thought he was a true crusader against what he didn't agree with. Radicalness never helps anyone. You should really be on a list.
Clint| 7.26.11 @ 10:32PM
We've Read Your Crap Before Sandy.
Get Bent RINO-CINO Phoney.
L A Stich| 7.27.11 @ 10:37AM
There's a REASON that Clint is anti-Gummint.
The Gummint is sorta like The Blob. Bigger every day, and even more destructive.
It was Boehner who said that 'the bigger the Government, the smaller the citizens.'
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 12:15PM
Clint's a maniac. He's anti human beings!
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 4:31PM
Plus, HE'S BEES .....STUPID!!!!!!!!
Clint| 7.27.11 @ 6:44PM
Margie's American Spectator's Resident Insane Crank Lady.
See A Therapist.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 8:31PM
Clint/Tim* is violent, threatens bodily harm to both women and men here on these very pages, predator.
He's a vile, lying anti-semite and hater of conservatives. He posts under many names in order to commit, along with his pals Michael Hauschild and others~character assassination.
He has no fear of God in him.
He needs to repent or he will die in His sins.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 9:46AM
http://youtu.be/Z30qbv5BWks
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.26.11 @ 6:59PM
Now this is a honest question, I do not recognize all the names. Is there a single Tea PARTY representitive in this group? Is there anyone in the list that was elected in 2010 (freshman)? If not, why?
Quin| 7.26.11 @ 7:05PM
Allan West is as "Tea Party" as one can possibly get. Matthew Continetti has been as Tea Party (and pro-Palin as anybody in the media).
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.26.11 @ 7:23PM
Thank you.
C Bowen| 7.26.11 @ 8:15PM
LOL, Quin.
No, it gets a little more Tea Party then a guy to gutless to vote against Obamacare.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 12:14PM
Hauschild boasts about how TEA party he is, and yet he doesn't even know that Allen West is a super conservative?
He's a fraud.
Clint| 7.27.11 @ 6:46PM
Margie Wouldn't Know The Tea Party If It Kicked Her In Her Fat Ass.
Which It Does.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 8:33PM
Wrong.
As I stated, YOU and your Jew hating, violent Neo-Nazi pals do NOT, I repeat, do NOT represent the TEA party.
God's gonna kick your butt.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 9:47AM
http://youtu.be/Z30qbv5BWks
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.26.11 @ 7:03PM
I just clicked on Fox, this was the headline:
The Boehner plan just blew up. Reid has announced that Boehner’s plan is DOA in the Senate. He doesn’t even have the votes in the House. The deal is dead. Caucus not in the mood for compromise. That’s not why they got elected.
Read more: http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler.....z1TFtDlE8s
Wayne | 7.26.11 @ 7:21PM
Why is there a Boehner plan? Why are the Republicans negotiating with themselves. The House passed a plan. Now it is up to the Senate to bring it up, amend it and vote on it. I find it annoying that Republicans instead negotiate with themselves.
Instead the GOP needs to go after the language Obama is getting away with. You control the debate if you control the semantics of the debate. Obama has been able to define rich, balanced, default and compromise with hardly a wimper from the GOP.
Quin, nobody cares which conservatives voted for Boehner's plan. It is the 4th GOP plan out there. It is a complete waste of time.
Wayne | 7.26.11 @ 7:28PM
The interesting thing that my mother even at 92, knew Boehner was weak when she heard him use the language of Obama.
simon templar| 7.26.11 @ 9:08PM
Excellent points, Wayne!
Warrior | 7.26.11 @ 10:54PM
The true question in why are the Democrats forcing this to the last minute. The only logical answer is that Obama and the progressives have to believe they are in a win/win situation. If there is no hike and they can bring about a default (there is plenty of revenue on a monthly basis to avoid one), they believe that the American people will blame the Republicans with the compliant MSM to keep telling the lie. This can only be bolstered by scaring the crap out of the seniors. If Boehner flinches and capitulates, they have cover through the 12 elections and piss off the Tea Party royally. Thus they believe they divide the party. Obama believes he wins either way. If Boehner and the House stands their ground, the liberals will have completely miscalculated this situation.
simon templar| 7.27.11 @ 5:30PM
Sorry, but they will not stand their ground. They caved as soon as Boehner offered his own plan and cut, cap, and balance was rejected by the Senate. The have succeeded as usual in scaring the establishment GOP and their moderate loyal base and have divided the party and movement. Why because the GOP let him and they have no spine and interest other than their own skins. Just addding to your wise analysis.
Margie| 7.26.11 @ 7:27PM
The quote from PJ Media in full:
"Boehner Budget Deal Dead
Just heard from a friend on the Hill who is chief of staff for a GOP House member, who writes:
The Boehner plan just blew up. Reid has announced that Boehner’s plan is DOA in the Senate. He doesn’t even have the votes in the House. The deal is dead. Caucus not in the mood for compromise. That’s not why they got elected. Every congressional office is overwhelmed with calls from their districts telling them no new taxes and no debt ceiling hike without actually cutting the deficit and addressing the debt. And no deal that would let Obama skate through the election with a no-limit credit card at taxpayer expense. We could be here working on this through Labor Day.
Good on the GOP for not letting Obama and his establishment media allies bully them into a bad deal."
simon templar| 7.27.11 @ 5:34PM
Now, will Boehner have enough brains to use this to his advantage? That is the question. That is the rub. Reid had no intention of accepting it and this should be screamed on the mountain tops. The demoncrats will not accept ANY reduction in spending. This should be pointed out to the public day and night!
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 6:19PM
All I know is, the Old Guard aren't gonna be around much longer if they keep caving.
I am always reminded of the verse in the Bible that says:
"Who is like the Beast, and who can fight against it?" Rev. 13:4.
God| 7.27.11 @ 6:48PM
Zzzzzzzzz !
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 6:22PM
Forgot to add~ the reason I mentioned that verse is because when it comes down to it, no one's really willing to stand up to the Left.
I know Sarah and Michele would!
I bet Allen West would.
God| 7.27.11 @ 6:48PM
Zzzzzzzz !
Phil Schoen| 7.26.11 @ 7:41PM
And all of those 'conservatives' are thinking with their political brain. We don't have time to play games. We've come this far, too close to the goal to back down. If not now, when?
Wayne | 7.26.11 @ 7:47PM
They are obsessed with blame. It is how the Democrats control them.
Sean| 7.26.11 @ 8:19PM
I see names there that supported TARP and the auto bailouts. Really Republicans control this. Conservatives want lower spending and there can't be any spending without the House which is controlled by the Republicans. Really just grow a spine and pass a budget that cuts deeply and gets rid of deficits. Let the Senate reject it or President veto it.
Floyd| 7.26.11 @ 10:15PM
Which plan? The one that saves $6 Billion the first 2 years??
It is a pathetic joke.
WL| 7.26.11 @ 10:47PM
WELL WELL WELL....once again Mr. Hillyer the Hack is telling us how his Daddy's and Mommas can beat our Daddy's and Mommas up....and once again...WE GET A SCORE FROM THE CBO THAT THIS STUPID LITTLE PLAN ONLY SAVE 1 BIIIIILLLLLLLLLIOOOOOON DUUULLLLARRRS!!!!!!!
Now Mr. HILLYER...take that DEBT CEILING INCREASE AND SHOVE IT...YOU g. will, krautster, mcdonnel and all the rest....
SEE YOU FOOLS...YOU DID THIS...for years you people have sold us out to the Dems...and NOW WE KNOW...
SO SHOVE IT...and your phony bill.
Remember...YOU DID THIS...and the rest of your establishment LIARS...
Just Imagine what might have been if you people didn't sell us lies and lies and lies for years and years and years...
PISS OFF
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 9:49AM
http://youtu.be/Z30qbv5BWks
james23| 7.26.11 @ 11:16PM
What an embarrassing post. No sooner was it put up than CBO spilled the beans about Boehner's fraudulent numbers, his supporters scurried for cover like cockroaches in the kitchen when the lights come on, and now no one, not even Boehner himself, will vote for it. Dead In The Water. Along with the reputations of the Republican phonies listed in the main post.
Nick| 7.27.11 @ 1:00AM
Mr. Hillyer,
Where is the list of conservatives who were against Speaker Boehner's latest plan? You know, a little fairness and balance, please?
I know Hugh Hewitt was against the Speaker's plan, for multiple reasons. One of them was because Boehner called for yet another stupid commission. And, he would have given the House democrats equal seats (three) with the House Republicans. Even though the GOP has an almost veto-proof majority in the House.
Also, Boehner would not say who would be the three GOP members to sit on his lame commission. Appropriators, most probably.
I am, like many others, glad this plan blew-up.
WL| 7.27.11 @ 1:33AM
Yeah...HillyerDong.....
Where is that list of who was right????
or correct...since you don't like "right".....
WHere is is HACKOFF?
Kingofthenet| 7.27.11 @ 3:08AM
'Boehner' isn't President of the United States, 'Boehner' party doesn't control both houses of Congress, WTF made 'Boehner'
anywhere NEAR the President's power? Hey Rethugs, HEARS THE NEWS!, Until your guy becomes PRESIDENT don't act like he already is...
Sean| 7.27.11 @ 8:15AM
Hey dimwit the Republicans control the House. That means they control the spending not your idiot Obama. So yeah the Republicans can do as they like.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 9:52AM
Hey, Floyd, What's up?
http://youtu.be/Z30qbv5BWks
simon templar| 7.27.11 @ 11:01AM
In fact KingoftheLiberalIdiots, the House is by law the originator of all spending and budgeting. It suppose to start with them proposing the bills and then onto the Senate and then the President.
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 8:14AM
Its simple:
NO tax increases.
NO debt limit increase.
YES to IMMEDIATE entitlement cuts in 2011-2012.
Simple. My family has to live within our means, so should DC. How's that PLAN, Hillyer?
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 4:36PM
No, it's slightly more complicated than that. The current governmental welfare payment system goes back to Democrats Kennedy and Johnson's Great Society and beyond [and are still being paid for by taxpayers]. Where was the outrage when all this welfare excrement was rolling down hill since the 1960's? The solution does not so much lie with this budget fight, but with the upcoming elections. If more Republicans are elected, we survive; if more Democrats are elected, we go economically bankrupt [and it is THAT SIMPLE]!!!!!!!
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 8:46AM
You seriously have to wonder if Republicans would know what to do even if they had a 534-1 majority in the House and 99-1 in the Senate, plus a repub president.
Naaaah, they'd prolly STILL look for ways to compromise. Morons.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 4:38PM
As long as they don't do what Democrats have historically done, and that is RAPE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS OF THEIR WEALTH [AND GET DUMBARSSES TO VOTE THEM]!!!!!!
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 9:51AM
The only morons are those which voted for DEMOCRATS on 11/4/08 and previously!!!!
Deborah D | 7.27.11 @ 10:38AM
Amen!
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 11:33AM
Or people who vote republican and keep on chanting "next election, next election."
Sheila| 7.27.11 @ 11:45AM
Excellent, All American American. You do realize, however, that here at TAS you are preaching to the rah-rah Repukes, both columnists and commenters, don't you?
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 12:09PM
No, Sheila, you're wrong. People like me want to see the Republican party win because we don't want to see the Socialist destroyer re elected.
Your moronic ilk doesn't care about that fact~ your hatred for ANY party keeps you in the camp that will see him re elected.
Your ilk doesn't give a rat's behind if he gets re elected. Your self-righteousness trumps ding the right thing.
You and your Ron Paul crowd despise anyone and everyone but your gang only.
You're anti-everything, and IMHO anti-American.
Who else bad mouths conservatives who care enough to at least want to vote this Leftist destroyer out of office?
Not you and your ilk!
Your too busy slapping us in the face.
Loser.
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 12:33PM
Here's a thought, although you have to wonder how far it will carry in the still waters of republican-think.
Howsabout we stop with the "blame game?" Obama stop blaming Bush, republican apologists stop blaming Ron Paul* (for something that hasn't even happened yet, I might add) and folks work to, oh I don't know, maybe stop America's free-fall into the ash-heap of history?
I dunno maybe its the kool aid talkin' but for me anyways I ain't really focused on 2012 just yet---for pete's sake the Rs haven't even had their primary. I think the focus should be, I dunno, the plunging dollar and the ever-increasing debt and how to reverse both before its too late.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns---sheesh!
* - For the record I could never vote for Ron Paul in a primary as I believe his foreign policy is, well, naive to put it nicely. But I know that saying that will not stop the name-calling from some.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 2:03PM
Uh, duh, I dunno, well golly gee, uh.
For someone who preaches about the blame game your post is just filled with phony accusations and pure tripe.
Let's do a little facing of realty here, ok?
We have 2 political parties, do we not?
If you are honest, you must answer yes.
If you're in immature retard you will holler and scream, "Yeah, but I don't gotta vote fer 'em, so there!"
Qustion#2:
Do you really want to see Obama get re elected?
If you're a conservative American and honest, you'd have to answer, "No!"
If you're an immature retard, you'd say,
"Well I don't, but I ain't gonna vote fer no Republican!"
Wake up and smell the truthful roses, ok?
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 4:40PM
It's simple [as a play on Wild Bill's wordings], IT'S THE DEMOCRATS, STUPIDS!!!!
Sheila| 7.27.11 @ 1:51PM
My "self righteousness?" Says the pot to the kettle. You really are amusing, Margie. Oh, and your marvelously descriptive pejoratives ( moronic ilk, loser) have wounded me to the quick.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 2:07PM
Sheila,
You aren't wounded by anything~ you're cold as steel.
And you are moronic. All you ever do is throw stones at other conservatives who care enough to vote Republican in order to oust the Socialist-in-Chief.
You seem to care more about hurling insults than anything. It's either your White Nationalist garbage, or how putrid real conservatives are.
I for one am sick of it.
Grow up, please.
Our country's going down the tube yet some of you with huge chips on your shoulders have nothing better to do than insult conservatives who vote Republican because it's the only opposition party in America right now.
Wake up!
You aren't amusing, but nasty and a liar.
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 12:25PM
Sheila, I've known that for a looong time, but you'd think with America hovering on the brink of disaster, Greece-style, folks would stop with the political BS and get down to doing what's best and right for America.
You'd also think that Rs in Congress could take a hint, i.e. the 2010 mid-terms, and get down to doing what we sent them to DC to do, namely STOP THE SPENDING MADNESS.
Guess not.
I posted this before but when you're holed up in your house, eating MREs or whatever rations you've stocked, fending off mobs who've come to rob, pillage, and rape you, well just remember that it wasn't the Republicans who got us here, OK? Cuz all that seems to matter to some is who gets blamed for the eventual collapse of America, not actually, you know, PREVENTING it.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 2:22PM
Dumbo Troll.
We aren't the enemy.
The Left is.
Grow up.
It's what the elections are for.
Yes, I said you're a Troll, like the rest of them. Otherwise you wouldn't be joining in trying to pit conservatives against each other.
If you don't intend on voting Republican in order to oust the Socialist-in-Chief, than fine.
But if that's the case, you really don't care about your country~ and you have no right throwing stones at those of us who do.
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 8:39PM
Where the flip did I say anything about for whom I'm voting????? Holy cow.
I'm pitting conservatives against each other? Naaah, Boehner is doing a great job of that all by himself.
Oh no Margie the Satanist called me a Troll, boo hoo. Yes I called you a Satanist. Anyone who betrays a friend like you did and spouts off Bible verses the way you do must be Satan trying to deceive good Christian folk like me. However I see right through you. You are an agent of the Evil One.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 9:12PM
TROLL.
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 9:15PM
Bride of Satan.
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 9:10PM
Tell ya what, Agent of the Evil One, after the country collapses into anarchy and dollars are worthless come to my house and tell me its ok cuz we just gotta vote more Rs in the next election and you'll get more than stones throwed at ya.
Good Lord the Tea Party wants accountability and you zombies just want more of the same kicking the can down the road. My kids mean more to me than to allow that to happen. Accountability NOW.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 9:12PM
TROLL.
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 9:14PM
Agent of the Evil One.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 4:44PM
Wait, tell the Rs to do what we sent them to congress to do in 2010. did the world exist prior to then? Where's the request for Ds to show responsibility [or that's right they do....to their indigent constituents in providing welfare AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE]. Re-Direct you critical arrows toward the proper destination....Democrats!!!!!!!!!
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 9:13PM
Good Lord I can't do anything about the 1861 election or the 1936 election of the 2008 election for that matter. What matters is spending needs to stop NOW. Not in 2012. Hell will there be an America in 2012? A presidential election? DO you know Obama is considering giving the ultimate screw you to COngress and just assume dictatorial powers? I mean he's actually using those terms, and you want to talk about 2012???
Are you freaking KIDING me?????
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 11:08PM
Dimbulb Troll:
You realize this yet you want to falsly excoriate regular conservatives for voting for the Republican party~ the ONLY_ opposition party we have in order to oust Obama??
Are you freaking kidding me?
TROLL.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 12:28PM
That's Republican with a capital R. Those of us voting Republican gave you Nixon, Reagan and Bush. Those voting Democrat gave you Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, Carter, and Obama AND THE BANKRUPTING GOVERNMENTAL DEFECITS/DEBTS OF TODAY. The R's spent taxpayer money on wars, whereas the D's spent money on welfare. Yeah, I've exclusively voted Republican....what/who have you voted for????????
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 12:43PM
Hey OF speaking of "wars," how're them, what are we up to, 6 now? Yeah, how're them 6 wars going now? I mean our money and blood and treasure sure is doing wonderful things in Iraq and Afghanistan, huh?
And speaking of deficits, are you saying no R has ever run a deficit and only Ds run them?
Here's what I don't understand and maybe you can help me. Ds hated Bush cuz he got us into 2 wars and signed the Patriot Act into law and opened Gitmo and ran $400B deficits--but Rs loved Bush for that. And Rs hate Obama but he's got us in 6 wars and expanded the Patriot Act and kept Gitmo open and runs $1.6T deficits. I mean Obama is just GWB on steroids, so you figure Rs should love him and Ds should hate him, no?
Its all so confusing.
Hey why did gold just go up another $15 in the last 5 mins?
Grzmlyk| 7.27.11 @ 1:34PM
Good point. Except I'm confused, too: Why do Ds hate Bush?
He just didn't start enough wars? He just didn't drive up the debt enough?
Maybe you can enlighten me.
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 8:43PM
I honestly don't know Grz. I voted for him in 2000 but couldn't in 04 so I abstained. If GWB was a Dem the rank and file Ds would worship him almost as much as they do FDR.
Me, I judge pols by their actions and votes, not by what party affiliation they claim. But that's just me.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 9:18PM
"I mean Obama is just GWB on steroids."
Go ask Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi if they agree with you.
It's all sooo confusing.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 12:12PM
And they're getting ready to get Obama re elected again, by joining with those who will refuse to vote for the Republican nominee.
They're too busing nursing their dripping hatred for anything and anyone who doesn't agree with their Ron Paul agenda.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 12:31PM
Paul has some decent spending reductions ideas, but he's about as electable as the average person has of being crowned KING OF ENGLAND!!!
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 2:12PM
Oldefarte,
He's a lunatic who sympathizes with the enemy. He'll never become President for that reason, and everyone (except the Kool-aid drinkers) know that.
Saying he's fiscally knowledgeable means nothing because its about the whole package.
If he weren't loony concerning his views on terrorism and (for Pete's sake he thinks America is an "Aggressor")~ then he'd be electable.
He's mentally deficient.
Clint| 7.27.11 @ 6:53PM
Harris Poll: If Ron Paul Won GOP Nomination, He Would Split Vote With Obama.
TUESDAY, JULY26, 2011
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.), an official candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, has performed well in several polls throughout his campaign. In may, Paul took second place in a CNN/WMUR poll of likely Republican voters. In June, Paul won a Republican Leadership Conference straw poll. At the beginning of July, Paul came in first in a Texas GOP poll, conducted by the Azimuth Research Group.
Perhaps the best indication of Paul’s candidacy so far is a Harris poll released today by Harris Interactive. According to the Harris poll, Obama and Paul would split the vote right down the middle if they were to run against each other in 2012.
Sheila| 7.27.11 @ 1:53PM
Oooooh, they perfidious "they!" Watch out for "them!"
FWIW, I don't care for Ron; I would happily vote for Rand.
L A Stich| 7.27.11 @ 10:35AM
Gee. THERE is a list of "DC Minds" if I ever saw one.
Does the rest of the country get to have an opinion?
Wayne | 7.27.11 @ 11:09AM
My father use to say, whatever you do in haste, you repent at leisure. This Boehner plan is a typical example (as was TARP and the GM bailout). The GOP have a plan and it was passed in the House. The haste to do the Presidents bidding has resulting in poorly conceived plans and infighting among Republicans.
Now relax for a moment. What gives the Democrats the luxury of rejecting all those Republican plans? Could it be that they know that we are not in any immediate crises, but they succeeded in what they wanted, which is getting Republicans to run around looking foolish trying to respond to Obama.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 12:36PM
The original TARP was essential to the country survival, but the Democrats converted it into a slush fund for their labor unions buddies. It was sadly necessary after decades of Democrats initiating legislating social welfare that snowballed down hill to result in the present economic situation. If the public had continued electing Republicans to the WH/congress after Nixon/Reagan, this financial problem would be non-existent [but no, they got sucked into HOPE/CHANGE BS]!!!!!!!!!
Wayne | 7.27.11 @ 3:47PM
No it wasn't. The first thing Bush should have down was fire Paulson who let this happen after having said that all was fine. The TARP was a massive Wall Street bailout that helped pick winners and losers. And Paulson comes in with no proof and a 3 page paper and demands 700 Billion dollars. It was the beginning of the disaster that further lead to Obama getting elected. You need to quit having so much faith in self-serving politicians. Finally we have the people demanding some accountability since both parties have escaped accountability for decades.
JP| 7.27.11 @ 11:14AM
I think at this point, everyone knows there are no cuts. This is the kind of post-modern politiking the Ruling Class created. Boehnner knows if he and Reid can come up with an 11 hour compromise, the President will have to sign it; if he refuses to sign off on such a compromise his re-election chances are toast. However, in order to get the Senate to buy-off on a compromise agreement, Boehnner must play the game. Reid will never allow real 2012 spending cuts. It just won't happen. Boehnner therefore forces the issue along the edges. He and House GOP Leaders have rapidly changed the tone in the Beltway. The debate now is moving in a direction that forces Reid and Obama to look at the stark reality of thier handywork ($5 trillion in a borrowing orgy since Jan 2009). The President's brinksmanship has backfired profoundly. His rhetoric now has pinned him in a corner. By threatening default on 3 Aug, while attempting to sound "reasonable", the President essientially has built a do-or-die diachotomy. If he refuses to sign a bi-partisan comromise he stabs in own party in the back and looks the hypocrite. And if he refuses to sign and we don't default, he even looks more foolish.
This non-issue debate has thus far been played well by Boehnner. He wasn't going to get spending cuts anyway. The GOP doesn't have that kind of clout yet (minority parties rarely do). But it splits the Dems right down the Left/Hard Left divide. Obama can only appease one side. In the meantime, the GOP can use the next 15 months to get the voters focus on the catastrophic trend Obama/Reid/Pelosi set us on. 2012 will be decision time for the people.
TruthSayer| 7.27.11 @ 11:29AM
Admit it Hillyer, the Boehner plan is no more than a sop to get to the next election. It will have no effect on the dismal state of the US debt. This is all a game by the Republicans to avoid blame for anything that happens with the economy. The commission is a horrible idea and signals political, moral, and intellectual vapidity on the part of Boehner and the 'establishment' Republicans. Our beautiful Republic is dead, and these so-called 'leaders' in Washington are just digging a deeper grave.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 12:38PM
Where's Harry's/Nancy's/Barack's....plan??????
Clay Moore| 7.27.11 @ 11:53AM
Nobody is buying the smoke & mirror magic act anymore Hillyer.
The Wall Street RINO's are Counterfeit Conservatives who lack both a spine and cojones when it comes to standing on principals.
How many times have they acquiesced and surrendered to the liberals and all the while trying to give it a positive spin? The debt service is already in the red zone and the Wally Street World thinks the Tea Party Patriots should cave? Again?
Real Conservatives should settle for nothing less than Cut - Cap - Balance at the very least.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 12:41PM
No, real conservatives should vote in more Republicans [instead of bitchin about the 1/3 House R's who are doing their jobs but don't have the controlling numbers] in 2012. 1/3 can't control 2/3!!!!!!
Solo| 7.27.11 @ 12:02PM
Quinn...I think you're right that it might be foolish to oppose Boehner's plan, from a strictly 'political strategy' position.
Politically....staying the course and 'holding the line' against spending is fraught with danger.
But...from a practical standpoint, Boehner's plan does absolutely NOTHING to address the real issue of over-spending. It's a gimmick. A political trick to fool the "unwashed masses".
The democrats were never going to allow the republicans to solve this issue. It's more expedient for them to torpedo the whole thing and depend on their Lickspittles in the press to push the blame on the republicans for the coming disaster--a disaster which was coming, debt-increase or no.
JP| 7.27.11 @ 12:15PM
Yes, follow the Ginrich 1995 example. Look how well that turned out. The Dems have the MSM, the pully-pulput, and at least one ratings agency in thier back-pocket (the S&P). Obama could in effect refuse to write any checks and blame it all on the House GOP. And at least 45% of the voters would agree with him. How much MSM airtime does Ryan get versus Obama, Krugman, or Reid? Obama could eventually pin the entire economic mess he created (as well as the high debt) on the GOP.
And if that comes to pass, forget about a 2012 resurgence. The amount of disinformation, deciet, and lies that would pour out of the WH and the MSM is enough to turn the tide against the GOP. Forget about Teaparties, reforms, and retaking the Senate and the WH. If you want to succed at politics, you must at some time play the game, Reagan did it very well; as did Lincoln. You can't solve this problems without retaking the Senate, holding the House, and retaking the WH.
Controse| 7.27.11 @ 12:40PM
Discretion is the better part of valor eh JP? It saves us all the agony of giving up later.
Controse| 7.27.11 @ 12:36PM
Note to William Kristol: You say if the Republican controlled house votes down white flag number one it means they will vote for whiter flag number two. Chicken Little (that would be you) rears his ugly head yet again out of a most unexpected bunker. Man oh man, Obama sure knows how to flush out the surrender moneys.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 12:43PM
He doesn't know his ars from a hole in the ground, and therein lies our problem!!!!!!
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 12:56PM
I'm slowely coming to the conclusion here that the tea party movement is a Democratic Party facilitator, since their foot soldiers here are constantly harping about the Republicans being at fault. Since there are only two credible choices on the ballots that I've voted for 45 years [unless of course you wish to WASTE your vote on an unelectable independent that might garner 2% of the total vote], WHICH PARTY DO YOU PREFER? WHICH PARTY'S CANDIDATE DID YOU VOTE FOR PRESIDENT [OR FOR CONGRESS IN YOUR HOME STATE]. Either left or right, there's no middle ground!!!!!!
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 1:04PM
Is there an election in 2011 that I'm missing or what?
Or are most of us a little peeved that we DID vote the Rs into power in Congress (in 2010) specifically to STOP spending and it appears they don't have the stones/grapefruits/balls to do it?
Its ironic cuz I'M coming to the conclusion that establishment Rs and their right-wing zombies who post here are Democratic Party double-agents bent on keeping the people focused on the "next election" instead of doing the work they were elected to do and should be doing NOW.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 2:15PM
The haters like Hauschild, Clintypoo*, Sheila and "All American" make up a small faction of the anti-conservatives in the TEA party.
They're big loudmouths, but a very small faction.
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 8:46PM
Keep telling yourself that, bride of the Evil One.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 9:19PM
TROLL.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 12:58PM
Is anyone here willing to admit they dumbarsingly voted for Obama and Democrats previously?????????
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 1:29PM
http://youtu.be/_AfapwN4RlI
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 1:45PM
The WSJ is reporting that if these House conservatives defeat the Boehner plan, Obama win re-election next year. So some of you tea partier types had better get your head out your rear-end and THINK [if possible]!!!!!
Wayne | 7.27.11 @ 3:42PM
Without the Tea Party, the GOP loses, so it needs to reassess its own position and quit blaming the Tea Party who want to FIX the problem.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 11:12PM
He said SOME TEA partier types and you know it.
These would be the vile, lying slandering Paul-bots who FILL these pages accusing conservatives of SIN for voting Republican.
These would be the Ron Paul types that want a third party~ and want to see the Republican party destroyed.
Got it?
Real TEA partiers are not to blame for anything. The TEA party is us. (As Mark Levin said today).
Thank you, Mark.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 2:15PM
Jim DeMint is saying that Obama/Democrats set the debt ceiling, then overspent to hit it with their stimulus/welfarecare etc; and won't agree to a baalaced budget agreement. That's in Republican DeMint, you moronic tea partiers. Go critisize the GD Democrats or KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT!!!!!!!!!
Wayne | 7.27.11 @ 3:41PM
I guess I am an old soldier. I would not want to go into battle with cowards. First the GOP needs to get leaders who understand how to fight Obama and not be afraid of their own shadows or Obama.
Oldefarte| 7.27.11 @ 5:20PM
First with all due respect, it's not a war, it's politics, okay. You're not shooting/killing the enemy, the object is to RATIONALLY secure enough votes to effectuate your positions. It's democracy and unfortionately there another side called Democrats and their constituents. There are only two choices, and you/everyone has to decide on what side of the table you're on:
http://youtu.be/LERYBwsaesY
Sean| 7.27.11 @ 6:59PM
Republicans have the numbers to do what conservatives want right now. All they have to do is refuse to allow spending. There is no need to capitulate again to the Democrats.
Oldefarte| 7.28.11 @ 2:35PM
No they do NOT Sean. How in hell do they have the numbers when they only control the House [1/3] whille the Democrats control the Senate and the WH [2/3]? The tea party conservatives made great strides in November of last year, but the above still stands as fact. Last year's BATTLE can become a winnable WAR in November of next year IF ENOUGH REPUBLICANS [CONSERVATIVES] can be elected to assume control of the other 2/3 of the entire equation!!!!!!
ConservativeWanderer | 7.27.11 @ 6:55PM
By the way, you can add Mike Pence and Fred Barnes to that list.
So, tell me, are those of you who claim to support the Tea Party gonna disown Allen West, Mike Pence, and Paul Ryan, or accept their wisdom?
Sean| 7.27.11 @ 7:00PM
Is Paul Ryan some sort of fiscal hawk? He did vote for TARP and auto bailouts you know.
ConservativeWanderer | 7.27.11 @ 7:22PM
Rep. Ryan also wrote the Ryan Plan which I suspect most of those here proclaiming how conservative they are and everyone else isn't would support.
Perhaps you should read that document and decide how much of a fiscal hawk he is for yourself.
Sean| 7.27.11 @ 7:25PM
Oh I know about that Ryan Plan. It basically do very little now and promise cuts years from now. Sorry that isn't good enough for a lot of us.
ConservativeWanderer | 7.27.11 @ 7:33PM
Well, I guess then in your little world I'm a RINO just like Allen West, Mike Pence, and yes, Paul Ryan.
Must be nice to be able to pigeonhole people based on one issue.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 8:37PM
Sean is a vile Ron Paul anti-Israel, non-interventionist who os well known here for his cold stance.
He's of the same ilk as Clint/Tim*
Nasty, vile Paul-bots.
Not a speck of realty there.
They try and chew you up to shut you up.
AmSpec is one of their most beloved hide-outs.
Sean| 7.27.11 @ 9:24PM
Take your meds yet Margie?
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 11:14PM
Did you get that lobotomy yet, Sean?
Punk.
Oldefarte| 7.28.11 @ 2:38PM
Sean, the intial TARP was entirely necessary for economic/financial survival of this nation; the amended TARP that the Democrats enforced after Obama's election on 11/4/08 was a political welfare giveaway to their labor union constituents and is far different than the original TARP bailout of the major banks ONLY!!!!
All American American| 7.27.11 @ 8:55PM
Tea Party True Americans, do you see whats going on here? A lightbulb just clicked on. WE are being set up as the reason Rs will undoubtedly fail to act on the debt and consequently fail to defeat Obama in 2012. WE, TRUE Americans who live within our means and pay America's bills and hire America's workers, are ALREADY getting blamed for an Obama reelection that is 16 months away.
DO you all see that? Do you see the venom and blame being seeded here? Its not that Boehner's plan is a disaster, its you extremist Tea Partiers forcing the issue that are to blame. Its not that Rs self-destruct and give us lame-d*** presidential candidates to vote for, its you Tea Partiers who will cause Obama to be reelected.
Screw you establishment RINOs. You reap what you sow.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 9:20PM
TROLL.
Margie| 7.27.11 @ 11:17PM
You Paul-bots are a tiny faction of the TEA party, and you're gonna convince the same amount of people to stay home or not vote for the Republican nominee, like you did in '08.
True TEA partiers will vote 'R'~ because they want to oust Obama.
Nice try, Troll.
All American American| 7.28.11 @ 11:19AM
Margie the manipulative Bride of Satan, leading True Americans astray and down the path to slavery and darkness.
Margie, Betrayer of Friends.
Margie, phony Christian Scripture-Spouter.
Margie, name-caller extraordinnaire because she has no brain of her own, and can not make cognitive arguments.
No Margie, the True "Trolls" are you and your zombie, satanist ilk who would lead Real Americans like myself down the path to destruction and darkness. Who would keep telling us to bide our time while the country collapses into mayhem, confusion, and despair. But isn't that what your bridegroom wants, Margie?
Margie, faux "conservative" who never met a good fight she wasn't willing to run away from.
Now is the time for all Real Americans to reject the phony conservatives like Margie who only shill for parties while claiming to "love" America. Now is the time to make a Stand against the destruction of our country.
From Sam Adams to all the Margies of the world,
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
Oldefarte| 7.28.11 @ 2:40PM
Tea Party groups differ on endorsing in presidential race
By Alex Pappas -- The Daily Caller 6:24 PM 07/26/2011
ADVERTISEMENT The best-known national organizations affiliated with the Tea Party movement differ on whether they will endorse a candidate to run against President Barack Obama in 2012.
“We don’t endorse candidates for office,” Tim Phillips, the president of Americans for Prosperity, said in an interview.
Instead, Phillips said, Americans for Prosperity, a 501(c)(4) organization closely aligned with the conservative grassroots, will focus on education efforts to remind people about Obama’s stances on issues that it cares about.
“We’ll look at his record on economic issues and frankly it’s been just a disaster,” Phillips said. “And so I suspect we’ll do a mixture of TV, radio, new media and then rallies and events to lay that record out for people.”
On the other hand, the Tea Party Express, a California-based political action committee, plans to get very involved in the Republican presidential nominating process. It is sponsoring a Tea Party presidential debate with CNN in September.
Levi Russell, a spokesman for the group, said he anticipates an endorsement from Tea Party Express in the Republican race could come after that debate.
“Our hope is that a clear winner will emerge through the upcoming debate, and that the Tea Party movement will begin to coalesce behind that candidate and help bring them a victory,” Russell said.
“In that sense, the performance of candidates at the Tea Party debate could be pivotal in winning support from the movement, and from Tea Party Express.”
Another group that has played a pivotal role in organizing Tea Party activists is the Washington D.C.-based group FreedomWorks, chaired by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey.
They have already made it clear they are opposed to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, but have not signaled that they are behind any of the other candidates yet. Will the organization — that really got involved in GOP congressional primaries in 2010 — endorse someone?
“Eventually,” said spokesman Adam Brandon, “but we are focusing on the Senate right now.”
The national coordinators for the Tea Party Patriots, an umbrella organization for more than 3,500 local groups, told TheDC not to expect it to get involved in the Republican primary.
One leader, Jenny Beth Martin, said that while the group established a PAC, it has never been funded and it only registered it to hold the name. The group is sensitive not to make endorsements that reflect on all the local groups affiliated with Tea Party Patriots.
“At this time our membership has asked us not to make endorsements,” said Mark Meckler, another national coordinator.
* This article was corrected to indicate that 3,500 independent groups are affiliated with the Tea Party Patriots, not 1,000 as we originally reported.
Oldefarte| 7.28.11 @ 2:42PM
PS: Hitler was a '''''PATRIOT''''' to his nation Germany ALSO!!!!!!