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The Spectacle Blog
In light of the fact that the man responsible for two heinous acts of terrorism which have thus far resulted in the deaths of 87 people is a native born, non-Muslim Norwegian, John Tabin asks if large segments of the media (including bloggers like him and me) were wrong to speculate that this was an act of Islamic radicals.
For his part, Tabin plans to answer that question in depth at a later date. So allow me to give my thoughts. I would like to make the case that it was not at all unreasonable to speculate that Muslims were involved in this attack.
First, it was only a year ago that Norwegian authorities thwarted an al Qaeda plot to attack Norway.
Second, today’s attacks were nearly simultaneous. An al Qaeda calling card.
Third, it was only last week that that Norwegian authorities indicted Mullah Krekar, founder of the Ansar al-Islam, for threats against Norwegian politicians.
Fourth, a Muslim organization called Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami claimed responsibility for the attack. This is the most notable point of all. I mean what kind of people brag about murdering innocent civilians they did not kill?
Finally, consider all the acts of terrorism which have occurred since September 11, 2001 - Bali, Madrid, London, Mumbai, Fort Hood not to mention all those suicide bombings in Israel. All of those attacks were carried out by Muslim entities. Frankly, it would have been irresponsible to discount the possibility of yet another Muslim terrorist attack.
So is Anders Behring Breivik a diabolically clever lone wolf or did he have help from others? While those questions must be answered, like Timothy McVeigh, Breivik is the exception that proves the rule. But unlike McVeigh, Breivik will not be executed for deliberate and wanton mass murder.
The long and short of it is that when the next terrorist attack is carried out whether it be next week, next month or next year, the people and the organizations at the top of my suspect list will be Muslim.
As the adage goes, “Not all Muslims are terrorists but nearly all terrorists are Muslim.”
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Geordie Guy | 7.23.11 @ 12:05AM
What a non-sequitur of an article. The central premise is that it wasn't unreasonable to assume muslim extremist involvement on the basis a year ago an attack was thwarted, they occured at roughly the same time, a week ago someone was arrested over such matters and extremists claimed responsibility. Two reasons which seem to add nothing to the idea that it was a muslim extremist attack, and two (the thwarting and arrests) which would seem for all the world to actually illustrate the opposite.
John Navratil| 7.23.11 @ 9:50AM
Geordie Guy,
It's this line of thinking which has the TSA removing adult diapers from nonagenarian cancer patients.
Dr. Ron Polland | 7.23.11 @ 12:11AM
McVeigh WAS a Middle Eastern terrorist, insofar as he was trained in and bankrolled by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. The 1995 attack was payback for the 1st Gulf War. Bfore McVeigh could spill the beans, the gov't executed him in record time.
Cyrus M| 7.23.11 @ 12:20AM
Sir, you're truly a moron with capital 'M'. When was the last time that the aliens gave you an anal probe, I think you're due for a new one.
Gary Rumain | 7.23.11 @ 8:40AM
How amusing, given that your name is 'Cyrus M'. Oh, and please explain what McVeigh was doing in the Middle East prior to the Oklahoma bombing.
Joseph| 7.25.11 @ 1:35AM
McVeigh did have ties to the Middle East.
Dai Alanye | 7.23.11 @ 1:00AM
It was a major mistake to rush to execute McVeigh, because Muslim-inspired or not, keeping him alive for extensive questioning would have improved intelligence about terrorism.
Note that the same thing was done with the recent bin Laden killing. The fact remains that Osama was more valuable to us alive than dead, and it was a chicken-hearted move to slay him out of hand in the hopes of minimizing Jihadist criticism. In previous wars soldiers have been rewarded with R & R for going to the extra trouble of bringing back live prisoners for Intelligence to work with.
As for Cyrus M, it's obvious that politically correct thinking is his guide.
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 3:55PM
I believe the logic with those that wanted McVeigh executed was to loosen his “tongue” since he wasn’t giving them anything. Assuming he was actually executed, that did not seem to work out too well. As for Terry Nickels (sp) keeping him on ice hasn’t seemed to give up any information either else we would probably have heard about it by now…and Terry is still in prison for how long?
It is always within possibilities that neither had anything to give up and that their motivations were close to what they said. That level of explosives would have done a great deal more damage in numerous places connected with “government” and even worse with some large scale commercial structures if it had been applied but it seemed they had a serious issue with some people in that particular building. It wasn’t an efficient use of explosives and McVeigh would have known that.
I suspect the matter is not “closed” but that there has been no follow up by mindsets like McVeigh speaks to the larger matter that this was the work of a very small committed group and not some looming conspiracy among the usual suspects the Media is quick to blame in this country. The larger the group the more operational risks involved in keeping it secret.
Perhaps we’ll know the whole story someday but I suspect that will be long after I’m gone from this place.
Alien Brooks | 7.23.11 @ 9:02AM
Rats !
We can't blame those Muuuuusssslliiiiiimmmmms !
Bob K.| 7.23.11 @ 9:57AM
McVeigh had a Conspirator who is now alive and in prison. Does he have any information of this nature and has he been interrogated about it?
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 9:32PM
Sounds Like Zany Crazy Elron H. Has Struck Again.
viktor| 7.23.11 @ 12:21AM
Just blaming the attacks on Muslims alone is offensive and downright inflammatory. When news media and bloggers simply speculate a certain group is responsible for a event like this they should specify Muslim "extremists" or Muslim "radicals" instead of just Muslims. Most Muslims in the world are peaceful and not "Terrorists". People got to look at it in their view sometimes.
Gary Rumain | 7.23.11 @ 8:42AM
Incorrect on all counts. Even is koranimals weren't responsible they will figure in it somehow.
Kingofthenet| 7.23.11 @ 5:41PM
YOU as a Jew or Christian have more in common with those 'koranimals' than I as an Atheist do.
simon templar| 7.23.11 @ 6:03PM
No, you do, actually. You and the koran people both hate jews and christians and would like them exterminated. Hitler ( the atheist national socialist who propagated the destruction of the jews and the end to christianity) and Iran were allies. The name Iran is farsi for Aryan. Marx (premier atheist) was a jew hater and a hater of christainity. Communism is an atheistic political and economic philosophy that seeks to destroy christianity and persecutes jews. The communist were allied with the middleast muslims for nearly a century against the christian-jewish capitalistic west. Reality..just can not get away from it no matter what left wing propaganda you throw up.
Gary Rumain | 7.24.11 @ 1:30AM
Right on the money, Simon.
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 3:03AM
Now I have to add your blog to the ones I follow, Gary. Genius like yours is rare.
Why doesn't Genius ever come My Way?
Occam's Tool| 7.24.11 @ 4:32AM
King,
nice job of asshattery. If we get struck by Islamic terrorists in the US hard, it will be because of idiots like you.
Myself, I think I should be carefully searched each time I go on a plane because I look Lebanese, and my last name is a Lebanese last name more than a Jewish one.
Occam's Tool| 7.24.11 @ 4:48AM
The Saint strikes again. Simon, you, like Hancock (The general not the movie character), are Superb.
Gary Rumain | 7.24.11 @ 1:29AM
How long before you revert to pislam and become an arselifter because of your burning hate for Jews and Christians?
Allan C.| 7.23.11 @ 12:24AM
Muslim or Christian, these nutjobs are always right-wingers and have been since the 1970s. Oh, except for eco-terrorists. Those guys are the exception that proves the rule.
Kevin Dunn| 7.24.11 @ 12:17PM
Tubbish. The overwhelmong source of terrorist activites is from the left plus some nut-jobs wth no real politicval affilations
DownWithHypocrites| 7.23.11 @ 12:31AM
Someone with last name 'Goldstein' trying to accuse innocent Muslims of a heinous crime. It's like Goebbels accusing Jews of controlling money market. N'est pas Herr Goldstein?
DownWithStupidLiberals| 7.25.11 @ 1:39AM
Yes, because we all know Muslims never commit acts of terrorism.
evenu| 7.26.11 @ 11:32AM
Indeed! Just like Christians and Jews, who by definition, are incapable of committing acts of terrorism.
BWerte| 7.23.11 @ 12:41AM
"Not all Muslims are terrorists but nearly all terrorists are Muslim."
Despicable and cheap. Goebbelsian. I hold the writer Goldstein in contempt.
Dai Alanye | 7.23.11 @ 1:03AM
"...nearly all terrorists are Muslim."
Lacking in tact but quite true.
John Navratil| 7.23.11 @ 9:24AM
BWerte,
Let's see? From the Black September group, through the disco bombings, to Beirut, al Khobar, Sbarro pizza, innumerable bus bombings, Bali, Madrid, London, Gaza rockets and the grandest of them all - 9/11, what was the common religion? Of course this says nothing of the bombings of Muslims by their co-religionists which occur almost daily in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Please make a list of counter examples for comparison before you are so derisively dismissive of this assertion.
Goebbels, indeed!
Le Cracquere| 7.23.11 @ 3:12PM
Obviously, the one adjective even Mr. Werte couldn't type with a straight face was "untrue."
POST American| 7.23.11 @ 12:44AM
"--This is clearly staged folks. 98% chance.
Clearly---"
-ALEX JONES
(yesterday)
And who can deny, as right here we witness the
ATF massively equipping Mexican drug gangs
with automatic weapons, while the ultra-rich,
ultra-sinister, TAX FREE Rockefeller/Ford
Foundations fund and incite 'ReConquista'
---while 'REAL American'; Globalist front FOX
pushes the Carbon Tax fraud and
funds
"Machete' ---that this latest 'event' is astonishingly 'on cue' and 'agenda advancing'.
--------REMEMBER
"If we defeat the Globalists, people will look
back on this period as the greatest covert
genocide in human history. We can't afford
to lose."
-ALEX JONES
At this point -----ALEX JONES IS THE PRESS.
Get with the DEEEEE-program.
Scott Lahti| 7.23.11 @ 12:45AM
Pretty pathetic, Nutcakes. Islamophobe wingnut bigots finally got their pathetic asses handed to them by one of their own. Give any of them an enema, and you could bury him in a matchbox.
Gary Rumain | 7.23.11 @ 8:44AM
So what about all the koranimal terrorism? Are you just going to sweep it all under the carpet because it doesn't fit your world view?
Scott Lahti| 7.23.11 @ 2:51PM
Take the red herring out of your mouth again, Gary. Mommy and I warned you about that, no?
Of far greater urgency than any attempt of mine to prove my anti-jihadi bona fides - I mean, where's the fun in *that*? - in these times of unprecedented mortal threats to the very existence of American Spectator comment threads, is my attempt to rally all good AmSpec patriots and true to the one moral crusade that, like buggery, we can all get behind: to see to it sooner rather than later that heathen of the sort who go out in public dressed funny in the Mom-chosen cloaks of peremptory conviction of Muslims for crimes of which the latter are blessedly innocent, are, much like the more violent sort of Mohammedans themselves, utterly smashed, mopped up, and shoved off the face of the @#$%ing earth.
P.S. Check out GR's "blog", if that's the right word for such horrid and rancid dreck, aping the tang of rat poison - and assuming, that is, you have no idea what a pocket-protected nerd with a gargantuan KICK ME sign clapped across his back, smashed glasses held round the bridge with duct tape, nipple-high flood pants sixteen sizes too tight, external genitalia of an undiscernible sort that would have the Ken doll smirking in hello-Sailor envy, and the cerebral equivalent of rancid pit stains, gas of the most rectally sulfurous, projectile diarrhea, and Satanic halitosis might actually look like were he, hide the children and gag the dog, exposed to the pitiless glare of the noonday sun, then, do, by all means, have a look: it is, after all, What Jesus Would Do, no?
Gary Rumain | 7.24.11 @ 1:38AM
So you still live with your mother, Scott? How quaint.
Your delusional rantings aside, thanks for visiting my blog. Nearly 8,000 articles on pislam, its arselifters and their evil terrorist ways. All in just over a year. If that doesn't tell you the true nature of pislam, then you've even more ignorant than you appear.
Occam's Tool| 7.24.11 @ 4:35AM
Nice to meet you, Gary. Think I'll check out your blog.
Once upon a time, I was offered a job as a psychiatrist at Fort Hood; in 2007, as a matter of fact. If it weren't for my current job coming open at the same time, I'd be a corpse today.
Thank you for your time and dedication, sir.
Le Cracquere| 7.23.11 @ 4:50PM
So this turned out to be the odd "dog bites man" story: would you mind explaining what made folks' original suspicions anything less than reasonable? I'm not sure what it is about developments in this story that serves as a refutation of anything in particular.
Scott Lahti| 7.23.11 @ 4:56PM
It's really quite simple, Le.
Those who assigned probability to Muslim actors were wrong.
Those of us who did not were right.
Game, set, and match.
Le Cracquere| 7.23.11 @ 5:03PM
If you say so, but I'm not sure you've "won" as much forensically as you think. It was a reasonable guess immediately after the attack, and if a similar attack happens somewhere else tomorrow, it'll STILL be a reasonable guess, with a high chance of proving accurate.
"High" of course, can never equal "100%" in these cases, as everyone knew already--even A.S. posters, believe it or not. To the extent that the Norwegian case has borne this out ... um, congrats, I guess?
Scott Lahti| 7.23.11 @ 5:28PM
Q. It was a reasonable guess immediately after the attack
A. *What*, exactly, was a reasonable guess?
Certainly not "Muslim terrorist(s)".
Why?
A complete and total lack of evidence for such a guess.
Why on earth is that so hard to absorb?
Le Cracquere| 7.23.11 @ 5:33PM
Because abundant and repeated precedent is EXCELLENT grounds for an educated guess. That's hardly a "complete and total" lack of basis. For my part, I'm not sure why that's so hard to absorb.
Scott Lahti| 7.23.11 @ 6:05PM
Q. Because abundant and repeated precedent is EXCELLENT grounds for an educated guess
A. That's not evidence. Evidence would have been, e.g., eyewitness descriptions of the attacker, materials and/or written documents left at the scene(s), descriptions/plate numbers of unaccounted vehicles leaving the scene(s), suspicious, premonitory conversations/postings reported by those with whom the killer communicated in the weeks/months prior to the attacks, extremist/nationalist-group web traffic and recruiting efforts, sales records of suspicious purchases of explosive ingredients, waitresses or sales clerks reporting hostile patrons discussing violent plots, family members who feared that their black sheep's heavy involvement in conspiratorial activity might turn violent, &.
Pretty proverbial stuff, in other words.
The only stuff that doesn't count is previous mass murders by Muslim extremists.
Le Cracquere| 7.23.11 @ 6:26PM
In other words, you really were using "evidence" in the "admissible in a court of law" sense? I was trying to be charitable and assume you weren't.
As I shouldn't need to explain to you, the kind of "evidence" you described is necessary to make an arrest or convict a defendant, but it is EMPHATICALLY NOT necessary to make a hypothesis credible. A guess can be perfectly plausible absent any of the kinds of "evidence" you listed.
You're committing a pretty fundamental fallacy here--i.e., that the legal system's definitions and categories define the limits of valid, cogent, and reasonable induction and conjecture OUTSIDE a courtroom. Please tell me you're aware this isn't so.
Scott Lahti| 7.23.11 @ 7:05PM
Chart: Penile Length Leads to Little Economic Growth
"In a study published today, the University of Helsinki's Tatu Westling points out a surprising strong correlation between a country's GDP growth rate and average penile length. As the chart above shows, countries that averaged smaller penis sizes grew at a faster rate than their larger counterparts between 1960 and 1985. Every centimeter increase in penis size accounted for a 5 to 7 percent reduction in economic growth. The study also showed that overall GDP was at its highest in countries with average-sized penises with GDP falling at the extremes of penis length.
"As Westling explains in his paper, previous studies 'concentrate on economic, social and political factors, these and many related treatments largely abstain from biological and/or sexual considerations. The aim of this paper is to fill this scholarly gap with the male organ.' Interesting choice of words (the study is full of them, as you'll see below)..."
http://www.theatlanticwire.com.....wth/40117/
Le Cracquere| 7.23.11 @ 8:03PM
Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation; that's pretty basic logic. But are you implying that inferences from correlation are always invalid, supporting information and correlations notwithstanding? I'm glad we can dispense with the "ad curiam" fallacy, but you're turning to a pretty extreme form of nominalism, if I read you correctly.
Although to read anything into your post relevant to our earlier discussion, I'd have to make an inference that your last post was relevant to anything that came before it. That's deriving a lot from the fact that you made two posts in the same thread, a correlation that apparently shouldn't imply that one relates to the other. But then I should only consider that invalid if I correctly read the drift of your post, a reading that is invalid if the post means what I think it means, so that I am inferring something unsupportable if I interpret you as saying that inf
ERROR 932
LOGICAL DIV/0
CORRUPTED LOOP
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Dammit, I knew that would happen. Inferred it, I'm embarrassed to admit.
P.S.: The study you cite is fascinating! I've tried to chart my own household's GNP growth against national ratios. Its entry on the bar chart takes up about five inches; however, the bar's thick around as a beer can. Obviously, further study is called for.
Scott Lahti| 7.23.11 @ 9:05PM
I'm still trying to clarify my thoughts on these matters, and when I face as I do now that rare interlocutor on such sites who cannot, who cannot, in service to my occasional guilty-pleasure satiric trolling, be drafted as a stock Elmer to my Bugs, and whose greater knowledge of philosophical terminology makes me want to do penance in the form of shaving some among my unseen regions with Ockham's Razor while reading the Summa Theologica, I admit defeat in the sense of having tired of arguing, against the more general weariness attendant upon finding that my #2 country for a prospective c. 2020 expatriation, viciously assaulted yesterday by a demented mass murderer, has, in the wake of the recent blowup in the financial sphere of its neighbor Iceland, my #1 prospect, joined the latter in having had an "Under Review" tag added to its file. I close with the final lines from Gandhi's "Reflections on Gandhi", whose tone, if not precisely their content, mirrors my own toward those among my honorable interlocutors with whom my engagement on this page must needs now cease:
"One may feel, as I do, a sort of aesthetic distaste for Gandhi, one may reject the claims of sainthood made on his behalf (he never made any such claim himself, by the way), one may also reject sainthood as an ideal and therefore feel that Gandhi's basic aims were anti-human and reactionary: but regarded simply as a politician, and compared with the other leading political figures of our time, how clean a smell he has managed to leave behind!"
Scott Lahti| 7.23.11 @ 9:13PM
"I close with the final lines from Gandhi's 'Reflections on Gandhi' "
Did I mean: *Orwell's* "Reflections on Gandhi"
Although I have to admit, the thought of the author of Burmese Days suited up in a loincloth and slathered with Insta-tan in order to re-enact with the Mahatma a cross-legged ashramic version of the mirror scene from Duck Soup is all but impossible to resist.
hard to resist
Scott Lahti| 7.23.11 @ 9:25PM
Also impossible/hard to resist: the urge to hit "submit" before proofreading, due to the fact that the magic of seeing your freshly-minted "thoughts" converted instantly from private monitor to universal access, stray orbiting rocket ships not excepted, renders editorial caution before the libido of vanity the most easily ripped-out and tossed aside of brakes since the climactic chase sequence of The Bank Dick.
Le Cracquere| 7.23.11 @ 9:31PM
I agree wholeheartedly. May some lickered-up producer give that particular remake the green light ... and may Ockham's Razor prove blessedly rust-free!
Occam's Tool| 7.24.11 @ 4:39AM
As a fellow who once upon a time considered joining The Hung Jury, I can tell you that the Penis length and household income correlation is certainly worth looking at.
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 2:59AM
Especially as I earn less than say, your average surgeon. (NB: Surgeons deserve every penny. This is jocular.)
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 3:00AM
So the South Park episode on Japanese men being "very, very small" compared to Americans had some basis in fact?
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 3:21AM
No evidence? Al Qaida was celebrating the attack!
Gary Rumain | 7.24.11 @ 1:41AM
As per usual, Scotty, you are wrong. It was, as I said, about pislam. It turns out he was a Crusader fighting those whom he saw as responsible for letting arselifters flood into Norway - the Socialist dhimmis.
Scott Lahti| 7.23.11 @ 5:00PM
Why was it so bloody hard for some people, in discussing this story, to confine themselves to what they, and we, actually *know*.
The very second anyone so much as mentioned Muslims yesterday they failed, and epically.
Gary Rumain | 7.24.11 @ 1:46AM
The failure is all yours, Scotty. So typical of a mommy's boy.
Once his name was revealed, all became clear. The Norwegians had all the goods on him. YouTube may have pulled his video but others have copied it and put it up. It up on my blog now too.
You may care to explain, if your mother lets you, why pislam figures so prominently in it.
Not Bicameral| 7.23.11 @ 11:22PM
One attack. Yesterday thereilgionofpeace.com listed 17489 fatal attacks by "the religion of peace", today 12 hours later, it is 17496. Your argument is moot.
Gary Rumain | 7.24.11 @ 1:49AM
And that's only since 9/11. Note that the figure is also understated since I'm finding plenty of reports that Glen misses at TRoP. I would estimate that the correct figure should be closer to double what TRoP lists.
Raheel| 7.23.11 @ 12:51AM
Pretty funny how you only consider crimes considered by muslims as "terrorism".
"the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."
Please, non muslims have committed terrorism recently as well according the above definition. Do you remember the United States barging into Iraq? I'm a muslim living in America and I would give my life for this country but please get your head out of your ass.
Dai Alanye | 7.23.11 @ 1:06AM
So rescuing Iraq from Saddam was a terrorist act? A distinctly odd way of looking at it.
axt113| 7.23.11 @ 1:24AM
Tell that to the thousands of civilians we maimed and killed, far more than were killed on 9/11
But hey, they were just brown people so they don't matter as much right?
The Klan is so proud of you
Raheel| 7.23.11 @ 1:38AM
You can call it rescuing if you choose. That is interesting way of defining the situation. 100k civilians died in Iraq. Do you remember why we entered? Weapons of mass destruction. Did we find any? No. Did we stay in Iraq? Yes. Why? Politics. And that death count doesn't compare to the number of americans who died on 9/11.
Dai Alanye | 7.23.11 @ 11:31AM
The number of Iraqi deaths caused by America are always exaggerated, of course, and as many of them were trying to kill us, the remainder got what they deserved.
It took quite a few deaths to overcome Naziism and the Greater East Co-prosperity Sphere as well. As for Saddam, he might have been wiser not to brag about his nuclear weapons, or to openly pay terrorists.
But if you prefer living under a Saddamist regime I'll suggest there are any number of Muslim nations you can choose to move to. I'll try not to miss you.
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 3:22AM
I'm sure the Kurds feel much differently that Raheed on this one.
Gary Rumain | 7.23.11 @ 8:46AM
Please let us know how many arselifters haven't yelled "allahu akbar" while commiting their atrocities.
Gary | 7.23.11 @ 1:25AM
Also there's been about 12 random attacks in Europe by Palestinian groups over the decades. Before 911 there was the CIA shootings, and the Palestinian who shot a Danish tourist on top the Empire state building.
Doras| 7.23.11 @ 1:40AM
Zionist Jew Fanatic Goldstein seeks to incite hate and bigotry against Muslims? What a surprise
Gary Rumain | 7.23.11 @ 8:47AM
And whom are you inciting hate against?
Dai Alanye | 7.23.11 @ 11:32AM
Thank you, Doras, for your calm and rational argumentation.
Enlightener| 7.23.11 @ 4:40AM
Read history, credible publications, and realize that the Alex Joneses of the world simply drag us down. Same as this blog. Love each other, people. Be the change you want to see in the world.
ikonografer| 7.23.11 @ 7:11AM
"As the adage goes, "Not all Muslims are terrorists but nearly all terrorists are Muslim."" AND YET... here we are... a christian terrorist. who would have thought that christians can be extremists, right? inconceivable!
and by the way, that's not an adage. look up the word. you know, like a writer.
Le Cracquere| 7.23.11 @ 4:52PM
I believe if you look up the word "nearly" in your trusty dictionary, your concerns will be addressed.
Occam's Tool| 7.24.11 @ 4:43AM
Gosh, I don't know...when there are 1,000 Muslim attacks to every Christian or Jewish attack, that kind of tells me something...but I'm not a Paulbot. Nice work, Gary...checked out your site.
Clint| 7.24.11 @ 9:17AM
That's Probably Because You're A Screwball Fanatic Israel Firster Traitor Bastard Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Tool Job.
"Support for Ron Paul Runs High Among Members of the Military
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.), an official candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, is extremely popular with members of the U.S. military. On July 19th, Paul held his “Ready for Ames” Money Bomb Radio Marathon, raising more than $550,000 from supporters to expand the Texas Congressman’s “first-class campaign in Iowa.” It’s likely that more than a few of the contributors to Paul’s “Ready for Ames” money bomb were men and women in uniform.
In fact, Paul’s popularity is so high among U.S. service members that the Texas Congressman’s presidential campaign has received more money from U.S. soldiers than any other candidate in the 2012 presidential race."
The Tea Party Rebellion Ramps Up For The 2012 Elections.
Carpe Diem.
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 3:05AM
Wow. Perhaps they're tired and demoralized under the Messiah. That is, if the majority of them support Paul.
Kilgore Trout| 7.23.11 @ 8:19AM
Where did all these commie trolls come from on AS of all places.
Of course most terrorists are moozlim. Anybody denying it is a traitor to the uS.
Fudd fwom The Mothod| 7.23.11 @ 9:09AM
Twaitors ! Twaitors !
It had to be thoth Muuuttthhhhlllliiiimms.
Tina B| 7.23.11 @ 8:30AM
If we don't feed the trolls, they will go away and get their food elsewhere, or starve.
DownWithStupidLiberals| 7.25.11 @ 1:47AM
Not necessarily. Often these trolls repeat their lies so often others start to consider them truth. I say refudiate the trolls!
Ahmed| 7.23.11 @ 8:39AM
Yes, it's the same logic as the following: "Not all Jews were responsible for slaughtering Jesus, but nearly all those responsible for slaughtering Jesus were Jews."
The unspoken conclusion: in general, Jews are evil. Yup, uh huh.
Gary Rumain | 7.23.11 @ 8:48AM
Did a rock with a Jew hiding behind it tell you that?
John Navratil| 7.23.11 @ 9:46AM
Ahmed,
(I'm correcting the logic, not making a religious point! Specifically, I am NOT blaming Jews for the crucifixion).
The conclusion wouldn't be that in general Jews were evil, but that in general Jews were responsible for Jesus crucifixion. (Not that it makes any sense to try to establish a statistical argument about a single event - an absolute). The inference is that you would draw from your assertion is that if you see the crucifixion of Jesus that Jews were largely responsible.
"Not all Muslims are terrorists but nearly all terrorists are Muslim" is the observation of a correlation. From a statistical perspective we do have a fairly large sample size to draw from. The conclusion is that if you see terrorism, the terrorist is likely Muslim. Can you refute the assertion? To do so you would only need show that enough terrorism is carried out by non-Muslims to invalidate the "nearly all" part of the hypothesis. Carry on!
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 9:47AM
Let’s see….
Jesus was a Jew……
Christianity was born of Jews wanting a different path…..
Jesus lived in Judea….where the bulk of the people there were Jews…
Yes the “Jewish authority” gave up Jesus for execution but the Romans did the killing…..to the tune of 150,000+
If a Christ like figure were to present himself to the Muslins preaching against the violent teachings of Mohammed he would be killed by Muslins within a day of revealing himself…..
The largest killer of Muslins worldwide are fellow Muslins who will not tolerate any kind of dissent. More Muslins are killed in Gaza and the West Bank by fellow Muslins than by the Israelis…. Who only attack when attacked and at those that attack them. Muslin terrorists routinely live among and use fellow Muslins as “shields” to protect them from retaliation.
Holding the "coat" of a Muslin terrorist organization does not shield you from the consequences of their actions. A long established principle of law. Muslins could stop Muslin terrorism in relative short order if they chose to. They chose to not do so and then suffer by being caught in the cross fire of what results.
Stupid is what Stupid does….
John Navratil| 7.23.11 @ 9:55AM
Thom,
I agree with your post, but it's MusliM. Muslin is a cotton cloth.
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 11:40AM
Sorry, I'm always rewarded by using autocorrect spelling/grammar checking being set on by default coupled to haste. I apologize to Muslin Cloth for my error.
The larger point however is that such discussions always devolve down to labeling religious groups like they are some kind of “race” which by and large cannot be proven or even determined. Muslims and Jews often take the position that they are a “race” of people via which side of the common family tree they fell…. Criticism of either group brings out charges of “racism” often yet there is no test that will reveal a person to be a Muslim or a Jew (or a Christian for that matter). I once asked a person that claimed to have converted to Judaism (from what I have no idea) if it hurt? He was sort of amused but did get the point at least. The phrase “secular Jew” speaks to the problem of equating a religious belief with being a “race”. Same for “moderate” when applied to Islam. You either follow the teachings of your “book” or you don’t. I don’t think “moderates” follow the teachings of their most holy “book”.
Jews who converted to Christianity to avoid prosecution and death at the hands of the Nazis changed their “race”? Yet, the systematic murder of over 6,000,000 “jews” is classed as a racist event. Were the Nazis really “racists” in the true since of the word? Strikes me the Nazis created a fictional “race” of people for which most Nazis could not meet the qualifications for and killed every other “race” of people they encountered on pretty much equal opportunity basis with one primary exception. They seemed to like Muslims a lot for some reason.
My chief complaint with Muslims is that the teachings of their holy book are a testament to violence within and without their culture. Jews and Christians are useful as canards for power struggles within the general Muslim population when Muslims aren’t killing Muslims. Jews don’t have a record of conquest in their history; the teachings of Christ don’t advocate that either. Islam and the teachings of Mohammed that Muslims claim to be their prophet do advocate conquest and violent Jihad against anyone that does not “submit” to their authority. When you start making territorial claims where only Islam can be practiced you inherently are on a path to violent clashes with those that don’t happen to agree with that approach.
There are no perfect people or races on the planet and I’ll avoid the notion that there is a perfect or infallible religion for now but there is a political system wrapped in a religions cloak that both teaches and practices violence as a means to an end. Christianity was born out of a desire to leave the eye for an eye practice of the Old Testament behind by a Jewish carpenter in a Jewish state with a significant following of “jews” and intolerant people of that time and place killed him for that. Someone of Christ’s caliber will never rise within Islam and thus Muslims may not like the stereotype responses they get from non Muslims with the events of the last 30 years or so but that is the bed you have made for yourself.
Ron Lewenberg| 7.23.11 @ 1:07PM
You are so ignorant, it is pathetic. 13 million people died in the Holocaust, 7 million of whom were Christians. The 6 million Jews were targetted by race. Christian converts from Judaism like Saint Edith Stein, were murdered along with atheists, traditional Jews, and Hasidim. Go look up the Nuremberg Laws.
And the murder of Jews was so racial that the Crimean Karaylar, Karaite Jewish Tatars were untouched. The SS did not like their "Mosaic faith" but needed the support of the Muslim Tatars so left the Karaylar alone. The Ashkenazi Jews and Krimchaks (Rabbinate Jewish Tatars) were killed.
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 2:57PM
I’m quite aware of the 13,000,000 civilians killed in what is commonly understood to be the Holocaust and that 7 million weren’t “jews” but try googling “jews”, “Holocaust” and see how many times you find mention of those other 7 million people? Try finding any mass media references to those other non-jews in documentaries over the last say 65 years on the subject of the Holocaust in proportion to the actual distribution of death and destruction. Try…
You may not like to hear this but for last 65 years the word Holocaust has been bought lock stock and barrel by those with a vested interest in just those “6,000,000” “jews” at the expense of the greater carnage that cost over 35,000,000 their lives in Europe/west Asia . That the Nazis would craft a deal with some “Jewish like groups” that had a mutual angst against the Communist system in Russia is not news here. Useful idiots are not a new phenomenon. The Nazis excelled at getting members of one "group" to turn against their own. Do I have to spell it out for you here?
The Nazis weren’t exactly of one mind on all things all the time but they did tend to get around to eliminating any group they no longer needed. 26,000,000 dead Russian soldiers and civilians speak to their wiliness to kill anyone that stood in their way.
In all due respect Ron, if you buy into this belief that what one labels oneself is equivalent to a “race” then virtually every crime against any self-identifying group of people is “racism” and there is no end to that possible. Can you prove what “race” you claim to be Ron? Do you carry a government issued card that says what “race” you are?
I know some “Browns” that claim to be “jews”. In the distant past their last names were rather “Jewish” in nature. I don’t know why they changed their names but they still claim to be “Jewish”. I know others who claim to be “Jewish” and their connection with the practices of Judaism are virtually nonexistent. Their connection to the practices of Karl Marx are quite strong however thus I guess that makes them “Jewish” since Marx was a “jew” even though he seemed to have a problem with that and the Nazis seemed to have a problem with Marx too. If these people I know who claim to be “jews” were to convert to some other religion would they still be “jews” Ron? If you say yes, you make my case; if you say no then you destroy your own argument since the “jews” were a useful tool for the Nazis to wipe up resentment (unfounded) in their quest for power and while I suspect you buy into this over blown and over stated “racism” argument made so popular today I’m only interested in the evil underneath.
I really don’t give a rat’s rear end what you call yourself or what banner you march under as long as it is consistent with not letting evil run amok. Unfortunately many people only get their panties in a knot when said evil visits their particular self-identified group’s world. A common human failure without regard to race, gender, ethic orgin or religious beliefs.
Be careful who you call ignorant Ron. Over 50,000,000 people died in WWII because of people who see the world as narrowly as you do. The Japanese slaughtered the Chinese and Koreas and considered them an inferior “race”. They are all the same “race’” separated only by culture and geographic location. Try misidentifying a member of one of these groups and see how that works for you in their presence. The Nazis killed everyone that stood in their way or wasn’t immediately useful for their purposes. They killed Italians when they were no longer useful to them. The Holocaust didn’t start when the Nazis started to round up civilians and put them in the camps, it started when the world rationalized this was a local “racial” matter and turned it back on what was rising up….
“Only the dead have seen the end of war,” has been said my many involved with it throughout time. People with too much time on their hands try to understand and pigeon hole one form of this madness from another…. Kind of like “hate crime” laws, murdering someone isn’t enough to get the punishment to fit the crime we have to invent completely external rationales wrapped around what the murderer was thinking about the “race” of the victim in order to actually administer justice for said victim. Same problem with your belief the Nazis were motivated by a real racial hatred. The Nazis weren’t a “race”, their rants were part of their play on human weakness but in the end they didn’t care what “race” you were.
Occam's Tool| 7.24.11 @ 4:45AM
Please let me know how many ethnic groups in WWII suffered 33% loss of their entire population that weren't Jews. Thanks. The Russians suffered about 20%.
Clint| 7.24.11 @ 2:55PM
The lives of all those other Nazi Concentration Camp Victims , primarily Christians are every bit as valuable, as the lives of the Nazi Concentration Camp Jewish Victims.
My Dad's Christian Troopers Didn't Ask Those Concentration Camp Survivors,They Liberated, What Their Religion Was.
And Don'You Ever Forget It, You Screwball Israel Firster Fanatic Propaganda Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Traitor Bastard,Tool Job.
Get Bent Creep.
Uncle John| 7.24.11 @ 9:31PM
Hiel Hitler!!
Sieg Hiel!!
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 2:51AM
Yes, they were. I am simply pointing out the percentage of dead, Clint.
Your dad also had Jewish troopers under him, Clint. Considering your lack of concern over 3 month old Jewish kids getting their heads cut off, you are in no way equal to your dad.
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 2:55AM
33% of the world's Jews were killed in WWII. No other National group suffered a higher percentage of dead, Clint. That's the point. The millions of Poles murdered were equal in my eyes to the Jews murdered. But it didn't come up to a third of all Poles. The Jews STILL haven't come back to 1939 numbers.
Every time I go to the can, I create another Clint.
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 2:56AM
Make me, scumbag.
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 3:07AM
Precisely, make me get bent. I grow tired of your rantings, Clint. You are a vile Judenhass advocate, maggot.
Vrak| 7.23.11 @ 1:25PM
Ah those bastard Jews! How dare they exist!
Allahu akbar!
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 8:51AM
Let’s see…
For years international security agencies have been warning of Muslin terrorist groups recruiting white, blond men and women to their cause…..
A known Muslin terrorist group took immediate credit for this… Why?
99.997+ percent of all terrorist attacks in the last 30+ years have been committed by people claiming to be Muslins….
99.997+ percent of all those killed were killed by people claiming to be Muslins…..
The people that committed this crime knew going in that they would not be executed…..this is a much lower risk hurdle to overcome when getting people to act on your behalf than strapping a bomb to your chest or knowing you will be executed if caught for such crimes.
This attack doesn’t exceed one good day of killing in Iraq or Afghanistan by people claiming to be Muslins…. The news only reports the bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan…
For those with their head up their arse… is there a “test” for being a Muslin? A Jew? A Christian? And the big one when was the last time you talked to an honest murder?
Wait a week and Santa Claus will be blamed by those with their head up their arse.....
John Navratil| 7.23.11 @ 9:30AM
These posts remind me of the story of the man accused of killing three men and a dog proudly entering the court room with the dog.
It should however remind us that first impressions aren't a good basis for action. Remember Richard Jewell? How about the recent affaire' DSK?
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 10:34AM
Generalities always have their exceptions but Law Enforcement routinely uses statistical probabilities to run down possible suspects and are proven right the vast majority of the time… If they chose to discount that their effectiveness would drop accordingly, the cost to society to regain the previous level of effectiveness would be enormous given the gross inefficiency that breeds.
I give you the methods of the TSA as an example of what happens when you exclude statistical probabilities from your methods as opposed to the methods the Israelis have used since the 1970s to defeat the same problem. Current TSA methods won’t stop body cavity or surgical implant bombs. It is just a matter of time.
It is very difficult to hide one’s malicious intentions from a person trained to know what to look for. Fake bombs and a what the TSA classifies as "weapons" routinely get through TSA screens….has one real bomb or terrorist ever been caught at a TSA screening?
The odds are we will never know what Nordic Boy’s real intentions really were or if he has any religious beliefs at all but his actions serve the same interests as Muslin terrorism and a known Muslin Terrorist group took responsibility for his actions. If that can be proven to not be true then he joins the statistically insignificant non Muslin acts of terror group with McVeigh. 2 against all the Muslin acts of terror and massed killings of the last 30+ years is a distinction with no value.
Richard Jewell and DSK were individuals accused of something they did not do…. Do we know who did it? What are the statistical odds that a white man would set off a bomb at the Olympics given all the bombings that have occurred in the last 30+ years of Muslin terror attacks? Most of the German terror groups have been retired by one means or the other….
And yes other malicious groups will use such stereotype responses to cover their tracks but Nordic Boy’s political intentions here are in perfect alignment with worldwide Muslin terrorist group stated goals… and Norway’s political class has just the price they felt they were insulated from…..
When known Muslin terrorist groups denounce this get back to me on that.....
John Navratil| 7.23.11 @ 11:05AM
Thom,
As to Richard Jewell case, the perpetrator was Eric Robert Rudolph. We'll see what yet happens with DSK.
Just to clarify, I agree that statistical analysis is an invaluable tool in investigations. On the other hand, investigators using only statistical methods would never find the lone wolf. I don't, actually, fault anyone for assuming that the events yesterday were from a Muslim terrorist group.
The difference between the investigators and the public is that the investigators keep quiet (or should, at least) until the investigation is complete. Announcements are made when evidence is presented and charges are filed. The public, by definition uninformed, is often quick to come to a conclusion and rattle on about the next step (she's a witch - burn her). Often the public is correct because human behaviour is not random. Many times it's not - like yesterday. It's generally harmless, unless a lynch mob is forming.
There is no need to check your judgement at the door, but relying on early reports to form judgements is unwise. My comment about the dog was to point out the "gotcha" aspect of these posts - a variation on the one aw-shit cancels out all atta-boys. The inference is that since we were wrong about Muslim terrorism yesterday, we must always be wrong about it.
Like you, I won't hold my breath waiting for denunciation of terrorism from the Muslims.
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 12:09PM
No argument John.
I don't believe much of anything the Media puts out the first day or two or week and about the same for the government until at least a quarter has passed and corrections have been posted. There are some things I never believe until I can prove or disprove them.
I stand by my other point that Nordic Boy's actions serve the same political goals as the Muslim terrorist groups stated goals hence what his "race", "religious belief ", "skin color" are is not material to his actions if he is acting on their behalf.
You would agree or not that the "governments" of most PC western countries has a vested interest in denying the influence of "Muslim" terrorist organizations every chance they can due to PC concerns?
Inherently, all such events as this are acted out by “lone wolves” else we would see them coming and stop them. It is what each of us as individuals don’t want to see and applied collectively that makes us more susceptible to events like what took place on 9/11 and what Nordic Boy here accomplished with ease in the land of the Noble Peace Prize. Nordic Boy has set a new personal best for the efficient use of a firearm in such matters and that will emboldened copy cats to do even better. He wasn’t much good with the bomb thing by comparison and everyone is focused on "bombs" these days.
I think Yasser Arafat is probably grinning from ear to ear right about how.
I do get your larger point John.
Don'tTazeMeBro| 7.23.11 @ 10:44AM
So we're talking about a "Christian" terrorist here?Why is it that in the media, any terrorist who is not specifically a Muslim (who are then called "Youths") are magically transformed into being a "Christian"? There is no evidence that this domestic terrorist is Christian. I mean crap, Norway is now so secular that I think one would be hard-pressed to find a true Christian to be brainwashed into being a terrorist these days. Likewise, Jared Lee Loughner was not a Christian or a Tea Party member, nor was Timothy McVeigh a Christian.
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 12:50PM
By default you are a "Christian" if you are white and not a Democrat. Same logic that says “African Americans” can only be black. White African American need not apply……
Kingofthenet| 7.23.11 @ 11:31AM
"A picture is emerging, gleaned from official sources and social media, of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who may have had an issue with Norway's multi-cultural society."
Typical 'Tea Party' type.
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 12:44PM
So says who King Fish?
simon templar| 7.23.11 @ 5:41PM
Yeah, the picture you, as usual, are manufacturing. The guy was a member of a Swedish NAZI group. He was not a fundamental christian nor right wing as you like to misapply. He was once again one of yours.
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 3:24AM
The superb Saint strikes again.
M Asnake| 7.23.11 @ 11:42AM
Can't wait for part2 "why it was not unreasonable to think Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami exists"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....d_al-Alami
Vrak| 7.23.11 @ 1:23PM
Or, as the other ancient adage goes, "Not all dickheads are muslim but all muslims are dickheads."
Oldefarte| 7.23.11 @ 1:35PM
G_d Almighty, obviously someone opened the asylum doors and let the inmates out. As Jack said, I'M BAAACK! Of course the Norway bombings were from Muslim terrorists, and no doubt as a retaliation for UBL's annihilation. They obviously picked a weak country [with little or no military capability to retaliate] as their target, of course these terrorists are nothing but weak cowards anyway. The insinuation that UBL should not have possibly been killed brings up a good point, which is WHY was he allowed to exist surrounded by Pakistani military/police for so long. A possible answer might be that even the US government was aware of his presence there and did not attack/kill him previously for political correctness reasons [after all we have played footsie with dictators etc for decades for political reasons]. Possibly, the president was attempting to make some kind of political statement by sending the Seals to kill him at his possibly known hideaway?????????
Oldefarte| 7.23.11 @ 4:29PM
I stand corrected and revise my previous posting, as I now have read enough material to opine that this lone gunman was responsible for both the bombing and the island gun shootings [and same was not Muslim terrorist connected]. Please excuse my error, which I'm now correcting. This gunman lunatic appears to be a right-wing type McVieh operative and dissimilar to previous lone wolf types in New York etc. Still, a lone operative is descriptive of Muslim terrorism currently as to their preferred choice of destruction and should not be discounted accordingly!!!!!!!
Sardonikus| 7.23.11 @ 1:41PM
Unlike the Tucson massacre, in which there was NO initial indication of the gunman's motive (save for the 'D' next to Gabby Giffords' name), there was plenty of evidence to point to an al-Qaeda attack. For crying out loud, if a known jihadist organization calls up to TAKE CREDIT for the attack, what is one supposed to think?
As for the rabid leftist reaction to this tragedy: is your ideology so bankrupt and worthless that you have to metaphorically lap up the blood of this tragedy's victims like a pack of ravenous jackals to make yourselves feel good? It is always the same with your lot: you feed on chaos, strife and tragedy and derive your power from these things, all the while portraying yourselves as the 'healers'. You pull down others to lift yourselves up, hence the slavish adherence to class war.
This is the act of an individual lunatic, who should be held accountable as such. Please feel free to invoke your devil of collective guilt and predictably loose him on us - it will not change history or alter the abject failure and horror that a century of Marxist misadventures have brought upon humanity.
Joseph| 7.25.11 @ 4:08AM
Great post.
JP| 7.23.11 @ 4:07PM
This 27 year old Nordic blondie with no prior military or para-military experience, could plan, organize, arm, and execute this operation is quite the accomplishment. And to top it all off, he posted canned CV info on Twitter and Facebook a week before he attacked.
And Norway, as we all know, is filled with young men filled not only with psychotic hate, but also with skills that would shame the SAS and DGSF.
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 4:33PM
The land of Dynamite Alfred Nobel is a contradiction in many ways. It will be interesting to see what the fall off in “summer camp” attendance in the US is by the end of the week....By the standards of our standard “nutcase” model here this guy really raised the bar which does invite some important questions not likely to be asked and answered in the public arena…..
An answer to one of the questions I think I know the answer to but there are some interesting contradictions here given the usual “profile” model.
JP| 7.23.11 @ 5:32PM
The Norwegians seem to be saying that this 27 year old is resposnible for both the bombing and the summer camp attack. I find this impossible to believe. Whoever set off the bomb in Oslo had to have knowledge of high level explosives, solid state detonating devices, time delayed fuses, etc...
Thus far there is no indication that his one man served with the military or the police. Add in the fact that Europe is highly regulated society. Buying fire arms, amonium nitrate, C4, dynamite, etc... would require connections, expertise, and most of all money.
Thus far the Facebook post for this guy seems enough evidience for the MSM to tie him to both crimes (terror attacks). The Facebook post seems contrived to me. It contains all the items that make up Janet Napolitano's profile of what a modern terrorist is (White, Christian, and racist). It's a little too pat for me.
The Progressives may want to take it easy. They were burnt once with the CBS forgeries concerning Bush's NG record.
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 6:38PM
I’m having a hard time finding any statement put out by the Labor Government of Norway that does not contain the words, “Right Wing”, “Christian Fundamentalist” in just about every sentence…… has a certain familiar ring to it from somewhere……. Right Wing maybe by the standards of Norway but Christian, no. You won’t find Christ’s teachings giving license to this kind of nonsense but Mohammad’s writings are full of encouragement to strike down non-believers….
Whoever put the bomb together had to have some “skills” from somewhere. Not that easy to get AM-Nitrite configured properly and detonated without some experience. Not impossible but not something beginners can pull off their first time without some amazing luck. The bombing itself was still amateur in nature however.
The shooting efficiency (death to wounded ratio) speaks to something along with Nordic Boy just waiting for the police to arrive and it took them 40 minutes. They attributed that to the remoteness of the place which is BS and SOP for public consumption. What’s missing from this equation is why not one fired back while this guy casually went about his chore but I suspect we already know the usual left wing response to that in a country that is already heavily “regulated in such matters”.
I’d wait a week to see what else shakes out of the propaganda tree here….. No death sentence, max sentence of 21 years of free room and board, etc out by age 49 probably. Who could ask for more in such a “paradise” of brotherly love….
Still there are those persistent reports put out by security agencies for years about Muslim terrorist groups recruiting white non-Muslim looking new recruits. That then became the narrative for treading everyone as potential “terrorists” by said security groups. Wouldn’t be the first time groups with mutual interest bounced off the other’s behavior pattern to their mutual benefit. The enemy of my enemy is my friend….. isn’t original to the Muslim world by a long shot.
Fifty people of Nordic Boy's skill set and discipline could probably take down the government of Norway. They could certainly give meaning to the phrase “Paradise lost”. I wonder if Nordic Boy will get the Nobel Peace prize for this? That would be at least consistent with past awards to known terrorist.
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 3:26AM
None.
Out here in Rural Minnesota, my only criteria on Summer Camps is to make sure none of the counselors have any ties with Paulbot Vermin from Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. If they do they are obviously unfit around children, because they enjoy reading stories of 3 month olds being beheaded.
HARRY HARPUR| 7.25.11 @ 7:37AM
Whoops...the cat's 32 - not 27. You must be thinking of Amy Winehouse, perchance!
Isabella Cruz| 7.23.11 @ 4:41PM
Let's see, I believe it was Mohammad who said, "I shall be made victorious through terror," wasn't it?
Gary Rumain | 7.24.11 @ 1:56AM
Not quite, Mahound actually said "I have been made victorious through terror". Its in the hadiths.
Kingofthenet| 7.23.11 @ 4:41PM
"Oslo police chief of staff Roger Andresen told the San Francisco Chronicle that the maximum prison term suspected killer Anders Behring Breivik could face is 21 years under Norwegian law. Police are labeling the attacks as acts of terrorism, according to the Wall Street Journal."
This is UNBELIEVABLE, now I do think we give out too much time in the US, but this is NUTS!
Le Cracquere| 7.23.11 @ 4:57PM
I must admit, I've sometimes wondered exactly what sort of case it would take to finally get the Left concerned about leniency in sentencing.
Ta-DAAA!
Thom| 7.23.11 @ 5:21PM
“This is UNBELIEVABLE, now I do think we give out too much time in the US, but this is NUTS!”
King Fish what part of this you don’t grasp?
This is what moral relativism breeds….. This is the same country from which a Nobel Peace Prize (cash) was given to Yasser Arafat, the leader of a well-known terrorist organization, Al Gore, a known liar and fraud and the current President before he had even warmed up his seat at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and has expanded the number of countries we are actively engaged in killing Muslims……
If your mission is to impact the politics of a nation with “terror” operations there aren’t many better places than Norway to start…
These kinds of acts ultimately serve the same Master….
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 3:28AM
Seems perfectly reasonable to me, given what we hand out to murderers in the US, King.
Oh, wait, the victims were Leftists, not ordinary middle class Americans. And that makes all the difference.
Kingofthenet| 7.23.11 @ 5:02PM
Here is the shooters 'manifesto' seems interesting but it's 1,500 pages
http://www.2shared.com/file/M-.....ofInd.html
MSD II| 7.23.11 @ 5:18PM
So, this is a case Christian terrorism, obviously. If the perpetrator had been a Muslim, he immediately would have been labeled a terrorist. I see no reason to modify that reasoning now that it's been revealed that he's a conservative Christian. One of your own.
JP| 7.23.11 @ 5:38PM
Where's your evidence he was Christian, let alone Conservative? Facebook? The color of his skin? The color of his eyes?
The President, who calls himself a Chrisitan, launched his public carrer from the house owned by a convicted terrorist (Bill Ayers). Using your logic, therefore, Obama is a Christian who supports terrorism.
simon templar| 7.23.11 @ 5:50PM
He gets it from the left wing media and slurps it up without question...daily programming. They are now foaming at the mouth that it was Sarah Palin's fault! No kidding! That's why they call it the "liberal knee jerk."
Kingofthenet| 7.23.11 @ 5:33PM
Six-feet tall and blond, the man charged with mass murder in twin attacks in Norway, Anders Behring Breivik, is known to have extremist right-wing sympathies. According to Norwegian police and posts he has made online, Breivik supports far-right idealogies and has called for the formation of a "cultural Euro-Tea Party" referring to the grass-roots right-wing organisation in the US supported by Sarah Palin.
simon templar| 7.23.11 @ 5:47PM
He was just another national socialist, a left wing racist..your group and party is filled with them and has a long an 'glorious' history with them. He probably hates jews as well and wants Israel wiped off the map.
Kingofthenet| 7.23.11 @ 5:51PM
No he LOVED Israel, How Wet do you think Sarah Palin would get if Bristol walked in with THIS:
http://mediahash1.bt.no/incomi.....liksom.jpg
simon templar| 7.23.11 @ 6:07PM
You have just proven that liberalism is really a mental disorder. Thanks for doing my job. You make it easy.
Kingofthepets| 7.23.11 @ 7:44PM
He's a notorious member of The S.P.C.A.
Here's the killer in his Norwegian Elkhound disguise.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....khound.jpg
Gary Rumain | 7.24.11 @ 2:00AM
I'll bet that made you wet your pants.
JP| 7.23.11 @ 10:15PM
I would wage a week's pay that this lunatic is pro Universal Health Care, Cradle to Grave entitlements, regulated industry, high taxes, and centralized government. The only difference between the Left and the Right in Europe deals with how fast they favor decline. The Progressives wish to do away with the Christian West even if it means Eur-Arabia; whle the Right, only wishes to prepetuate a dictatoship based on race. And when it comes down to it, they all racists. Our Progressives are not far behind.
simon templar| 7.23.11 @ 5:45PM
The guy was a member of a Swedish NAZI group. He was not a fundamental christian nor right wing. You can keep this up all day long but reality is reality no matter what smearing and left wing propaganda you may want to throw up.
Isabella Cruz| 7.23.11 @ 6:51PM
Good catch Simon. But it won't matter to the media. After all these years they still call Hitler, Stalin and Timothy McVeigh Christians. All three were born into Catholic families but all three rejected their family's faith. Not sure what McVeigh believed in but it is well documented that Hitler went over to the dark side by embracing the occult and Stalin created his own cult of personality which got something like 70 million people killed.
It is also clear that Hitler and Stalin were both narcissists. Makes me wonder sometimes what a little more time in office for our own "Dear Leader" would get us.
Kingofthenet| 7.23.11 @ 6:28PM
Simon you DO know what a 'Knight Templar' is right? He is the shooters video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAwp2FnRmsE
JP| 7.23.11 @ 10:16PM
No, actually he is a social worker on steriods. Obama launched his career in the living room of Bill Ayers -a certified terrorists with the blood of innocents on his hands. The Left has not a leg to stand on concerning terrorism.
Kingofthepets| 7.23.11 @ 7:49PM
He was the night clerk at The Nights Simpler Motel.
The notorious hangout of Bawney Fwank & Anthony Weiner.
Intelligent Design| 7.23.11 @ 9:02PM
It would not be unreasonable to assume that any terrorist attack on any given day is the work of Muslims. Why? Take a look at the long bloody list of daily attacks at www.thereligionofpeace.com
The press largely ignores this hideous record. Just during the period June 11, 2011 to July 13, 2011, Muslim terrorists have killed more than 300 people and wounded more than 400 people. This one month record is not cherry-picked. It is typical of Muslim atrocities (often Muslims killing other Muslims) over the past ten years, and even earlier, before 9/11/2001. Looking at this in a slightly different way, while the TSA screens 300 million Americans and millions of foreigners, it would be far more effective to profile Muslims, who commit 99% of all terrorist attacks. It would be helpful to ban immigration into the U.S. by Muslims, and ban all Muslim travel on U.S. aircraft or in U.S. airports. The evidence is overwhelming, that Islam is an evil 7th century political ideology which seeks to destroy religious freedom, human rights, our Bill of Rights, our Constitution, and Western civilization. A good book to read is Andrew McCarthy's "The Grand Jihad". He is a former prosecutor with the U.S. Justice Department.
Occam's Tool| 7.25.11 @ 2:53AM
By the way, Clint: your buddies in Helmond Province just hanged an 8 year old boy.
PBUH 1: Christians 1. I note that you haven't taken me up on my bet, Paulbot.
Joe| 7.26.11 @ 2:20PM
Wow...a right wing extremist who quotes US right wing extremists is somehow really a "librul". A murderer who claims to be acting in the name of Christianity cannot be a Christian...because Christians don't kill people. Beautiful. Who's being "politically correct" now? The idiocy of this columnist and his defenders are self-evident, at least to those who haven't sold their soul and intellect to right wing doublespeak. I do feel the need to point out a common error, however. The author's use of the phrase "the exception that proves the rule." is incorrect. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.....s_the_rule
I had a professor who would grow livid whenever some arrogant freshman would use this phrase, and his influence has stayed with me.
Philip Smeeton| 7.27.11 @ 8:19AM
Sevje obviously has not read the Hamas Manifest. The Norwegian socialists genuinely believe themselves to be morally superior to everyone else. The Norwegian Foreign Minister talks to Hamas and he recently flew the Taliban to Oslo for talks, and that while the Taliban murders Norwegian soldiers in Afghanistan. Top Palestinian leaders are regularly flown to Oslo for talks. I understand Breiviks anger but not his actions, the Norwegian Labour Party is going whole-heartedly in for multiculturalism and totally despises any that dare to mention any negative side-effects such as large numbers of rapes and other crimes by immigrants. I can remember a Norway with a beautiful national culture and virtually no crime. The socialist view is don't blame immigrants for crime and don't blame Muslims for terror. Who then are we to hold responsible? The theme has always been we are not doing enough for immigrants, and that with the immigrant population at 10% and climbing, most of it centred on Oslo. Had Breivik bombed a Mosque and shot Muslims all of the sympathy would have been focused on them and the situation worsened. Breivik has damaged any reasonable debate about immigration issues.
Freedom Fighter| 7.29.11 @ 1:18PM
What happened to Norway was a tragedy. I feel for those who have lost their loved ones, and I hope they will be able to move on with their lives. However tragic this event is, the answer to the problem is staring us straight in the face. To prevent these terrors from happening, the governments must do something to prevent Europe from being taken over by Islam. I do not condone Anders Behring Breiviks' actions (I think they are absolutely horrible, and in fact I think he has achieved the opposite of what he wanted to), but I do share some of his views. In Norway alone there are many who are raped, robbed and even shot/beaten(sometimes to death) by immigrants. These immigrants belong to gangs, and are almost always acting in groups. I was backing up my friend once, and found myself in a position where there were guns involved. Someone called the cops and they came out and sorted out the situation, but I am lucky to still be alive today. A girl in my family was raped by 3 immigrant men when she was 15, she still has trouble coping with it. Do we really want to live in countries where you are not safe to walk on the streets by yourself? Do we want to live in a country where we are the minority? Where you can't even get a job because the immigrants have taken them all?
Some say that right-wing extremists are more dangerous than Islamic Muslims , but that is a lie. Islamic Muslims kill way more people than right-wing extremists. Right-wing extremists usually do not condone violence, they just speak up with a voice and no weapons. Look at all the people who have died from terror attacks, and all the people who die by the hand of immigrants. So... My concluding question here will be, how long are we going to stand by and let innocent people get murdered?