It appears that the action on the debt ceiling has shifted to
the Senate. With Sen. Tom Coburn
rejoining the "Five Guys," thereby making them the Gang of Six
again, and President Obama
cautiously latching on to the group's nascent plan, it looks as
though the Gang of Six proposal is, for right now, the most
plausible blueprint for a compromise plan.
Perhaps the reason the Gang of Six plan is politically viable is
that is mostly a promise to make cuts in the future, rather than a
measure to cut spending now.
The plan would only cut about $500 billion immediately, and
most of that would be spending already agreed to by all sides:
discretionary spending caps, a federal worker pay freeze, and a
(gradual) shift to the chained CPI to calculate retirement
benefits.
The measure would also "require" committees to come up with
longer-term measures that would bring the total amount of deficit
reduction to $3.6 trillion over 10 years. In other words, the bill
would force committees to figure out how to trim entitlements
(without fundamentally reforming them), simplify the tax code by
eliminating preferences and loopholes and lowering rates, and lower
other spending.
The plan is intended to increase revenues both by leading to
higher economic growth and by cutting tax preferences and loopholes
more than tax rates. However, because repeal of the alternative
minimum tax is included, according to the authors, "if CBO
scored this plan, it would find net tax relief of approximately
$1.5 trillion."
The Gang of Six plan is a far cry from the Cut, Cap, and Balance
strategy that Republicans in the House are pushing for right now.
It's even further from the $9 trillion debt reduction plan Coburn
released just yesterday. In terms of guaranteed cuts, it does less
than any plan yet proposed, except for the McConnell Plan B. The
vast majority of the spending reductions would be left up to
Democratic-chaired committees to determine, to be worked out after
the debt ceiling is raised.
Daniel Mitchell
has more on the good, the bad, and the ugly of the proposal.
Conn Carroll
thinks that, by the gang's own logic, the plan constitutes a $3
trillion tax hike.
I will simplify this issue for you. The Republican Party will
cave like they have done for years; the debt-ceiling raised and
taxes increased including removal of loopholes, no significant
budget cuts except the military and no balance budget. Don't you
right wing ideologues get it? I will be generous and give you a
hint. The weak link of the GOP/conservatism is in the senate,
always has been.
LOL--cuts to the military? The welfare/warfare state is the same
team. Oh sure, they'll keep cutting medical expenses, and keep
stealing pensions, but the Saddam is mean and scary crowd will get
plenty more of their favorite boondoggle.
When Reagan pressured to raise the debt limit in the House,
there were Republican Congressmen in tears at the betrayal.
Blaming the Senate, blaming the House...yeah, sure I like to
blame TARP Ryan's plan which called for raising the debt ceiling
part of the problem, but the issue is the entire phony charade of
the Ruling Class.
Timothy L. Pennell| 7.20.11 @ 7:16AM
I don't know about YOU, but I don't think that we gave the House
of Representatives all those New People, so that 3 RINOS in the
Senate, could have the final say on these things.
They wanna act like Democrats? I think it's time that we showed
them how to act like Democrats.
I'm SERIOUS, when I say this: It's time to FILL THE BUSES, and pay
these people a VISIT, at their HOMES. Not where they live in the
Beltway. At their REAL HOMES. Where THEIR Families live. That's
what Democrats do, ALL THE TIME.
I am SICK of all this double dealing, and these people living in
ONE AMERICA, while we eat DOG FOOD, in the other one.
We've done everything RIGHT. Played by the rules. Did our civic
duty. And, look what it'd gotten us.
NOTHING!
Every Republican in this GANG OF SC*MBAGS, needs to hear from US,
at their HOMES.
Every Republican who VOTED for this Indonesian Muslim's MARXIST
PLANS, needs to be paid a VISIT.
That's what the Democrats would do.
It's high time these self serving SOBs were MADE TO LISTEN!
Oldefarte| 7.19.11 @ 4:13PM
I still think the only possible option is the McConnell plan
[including IMMEDIATE spending cuts, not futuristic ones]; which
forces Obama/Democrats to accept or reject. Either forces them to
take total responsibility for the debt ceiling raising and the
political advantage with the voters from same. If/when the R's gain
political majority in November of next year, then that is the
opportune time to begin budgetary downsizing of government by
restricting governmental departments/agencies funding, eliminating
foreign aid expenses, etc. These current Republican plans are all
subject to the Senate's defeat or Obama's veto. McConnell's plan
effectively if accepted by Obama/Democrats, avoids the disasterous
financial/economic explosion that a governmental shutdown/default
would cause!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WarEagle| 7.19.11 @ 4:13PM
Wow! Who might have seen this coming? The RINOs in the Senate
haven't screwed the American people in days! I didn't think they
would do it again, and again and again and again...
martin j smith| 7.19.11 @ 4:28PM
Reject the "gang of six " plan. It will not only not solve our
problem but add to those problems because it fails to control
spending. NO NO and NO
David| 7.19.11 @ 4:47PM
ARE THEY SERIOUS. This is a tax hike pure and simple. The cuts
will never come. I cannot believe anybody seriously believes buynch
of politicians promises to cut spending in the future. It will
never happen. If we can't cut spending NOW, who thinks we will cut
spending later when the pressure is off. Who is stupid enough to
believe that the Senate Dems will agree to cuts in the future. I
cannot believe how utterly stupid the Republicans in the Senate
are. What utter crap.
Mike| 7.19.11 @ 5:10PM
No, no, no, no, no, and no...one for each of the "Gang of Six."
I agree with David - the tax hikes come and the spending cuts never
see the light of day. Stop the spending and vote the RINOs out of
office.
Mike| 7.19.11 @ 5:11PM
And I needed to say "HELL NO" to the President.
Timothy L. Pennell| 7.19.11 @ 5:48PM
I'm sorry. Maybe it's just me, but, I don't think that we went
out there and PROTESTED, and attended RALLIES, and put in our
BLOOD, SWEAT, and TEARS, to get all of those new Republicans
elected to the House of Representatives, so that an OLD BAG, like
Kay Baily Hutchinson, and those other 2 SENATE LOSERS - Yeah
Coburn, I'm talking about YOU, could just P*SS IT ALL AWAY!
We didn't elect 80 NEW HOUSE MEMBERS, so that these 3 PIECES OF
SH*T, could throw a freakin MONKEY WRENCH into the whole F-ING
DEAL.
COBURN, you're TOAST.
I think it's time that we took a page from the Democrat's Playbook,
and started FILLING UP BUSES, for a visit to these SCUMBAG'S
HOMES.
Who's with me?
Kyle| 7.19.11 @ 6:38PM
We need to protest and rally some more; this time we need to
protest and rally against these RINOs.
Mimi| 7.19.11 @ 7:19PM
" The vast majotity of the spending reductions would be left up
to Democratic-chaired committees to determine to be worked out
after the DEBT-CEILING is RAISED"
Thats all I need to read...a BAD DEAL for AMERICA....OMG here we
go again! O.K. we work to primary and support the Conservative in
EVERY senate RACE....It needed many more anyway...focus..zero
in..STAY strong...we all knew the battle has just
begun...MORE..HILL to CLIMB....SO what else is new...WE are
Patriots..It will be DONE just like 2010!
Mike G| 7.19.11 @ 8:05PM
I hope they can get a reasonable compromise. There is good
commentary on the budget and Catholic social teaching at http://www.catholicurrent.com/#/.
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.19.11 @ 8:08PM
Gang bang from six.
Chuck| 7.19.11 @ 8:34PM
It started with McConnell last week, then 1/2 of the gang of 6
and now the GOP senators are lining up in favor of the Democratic
plan of debt-ceiling increase, higher taxes and phony spending
cuts. Even Representative Cantor agrees with Coburn, soon the House
Republicans led by the Speaker will fall into place and Obama
wins.
LarryK| 7.19.11 @ 8:45PM
Hanging??
Wayne | 7.19.11 @ 11:22PM
3 Republican plan and 0 Democratic plan and Obama gets to
choose. Even the "cuts" are a charade. I can only conclude the the
GOP is in league with Obama. They are just the blocking backs for
for the Democrats.
chester arthur| 7.20.11 @ 8:57AM
Tax hikes now,reductions in tax breaks for individuals now,but
spending cuts later?You've got to be kidding.A spending cut
deferred will never happen.One of these 'gang of six' was a former
Virginia governor who,in times of budget shortfall,refused to cut
his staff of devoted young men(real,REAL devoted),while cutting
public services to scare the public into accepting the biggest tax
hike in Virginia history.It's no accident that the 'gang of six'
sounds so much like China's old 'gang of four'.It's the same
principle,self-aggrandizement at the expense of the public
good.
Derek Leaberry| 7.20.11 @ 9:04AM
One would wish that it be made clear to the American people that
any plan of longer than two years can be altered by a new Congress.
For sake of argument, if Andrew Cuomo is elected president in 2016
with Democratic majorities in Congress, he can blow any plan
legislated in 2011 to smithereens. And that is what Barack Obama
expects.
All American American| 7.20.11 @ 10:01AM
I just called my creditors and told them my new plan for paying
bills. I keep spending and spending NOW, with the promise that 10
years from now I'll pay it back. Its my Obama/Gang of Six plan.
Bob| 7.19.11 @ 3:54PM
I will simplify this issue for you. The Republican Party will cave like they have done for years; the debt-ceiling raised and taxes increased including removal of loopholes, no significant budget cuts except the military and no balance budget. Don't you right wing ideologues get it? I will be generous and give you a hint. The weak link of the GOP/conservatism is in the senate, always has been.
C Bowen| 7.19.11 @ 4:47PM
LOL--cuts to the military? The welfare/warfare state is the same team. Oh sure, they'll keep cutting medical expenses, and keep stealing pensions, but the Saddam is mean and scary crowd will get plenty more of their favorite boondoggle.
When Reagan pressured to raise the debt limit in the House, there were Republican Congressmen in tears at the betrayal.
Blaming the Senate, blaming the House...yeah, sure I like to blame TARP Ryan's plan which called for raising the debt ceiling part of the problem, but the issue is the entire phony charade of the Ruling Class.
Timothy L. Pennell| 7.20.11 @ 7:16AM
I don't know about YOU, but I don't think that we gave the House of Representatives all those New People, so that 3 RINOS in the Senate, could have the final say on these things.
They wanna act like Democrats? I think it's time that we showed them how to act like Democrats.
I'm SERIOUS, when I say this: It's time to FILL THE BUSES, and pay these people a VISIT, at their HOMES. Not where they live in the Beltway. At their REAL HOMES. Where THEIR Families live. That's what Democrats do, ALL THE TIME.
I am SICK of all this double dealing, and these people living in ONE AMERICA, while we eat DOG FOOD, in the other one.
We've done everything RIGHT. Played by the rules. Did our civic duty. And, look what it'd gotten us.
NOTHING!
Every Republican in this GANG OF SC*MBAGS, needs to hear from US, at their HOMES.
Every Republican who VOTED for this Indonesian Muslim's MARXIST PLANS, needs to be paid a VISIT.
That's what the Democrats would do.
It's high time these self serving SOBs were MADE TO LISTEN!
Oldefarte| 7.19.11 @ 4:13PM
I still think the only possible option is the McConnell plan [including IMMEDIATE spending cuts, not futuristic ones]; which forces Obama/Democrats to accept or reject. Either forces them to take total responsibility for the debt ceiling raising and the political advantage with the voters from same. If/when the R's gain political majority in November of next year, then that is the opportune time to begin budgetary downsizing of government by restricting governmental departments/agencies funding, eliminating foreign aid expenses, etc. These current Republican plans are all subject to the Senate's defeat or Obama's veto. McConnell's plan effectively if accepted by Obama/Democrats, avoids the disasterous financial/economic explosion that a governmental shutdown/default would cause!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WarEagle| 7.19.11 @ 4:13PM
Wow! Who might have seen this coming? The RINOs in the Senate haven't screwed the American people in days! I didn't think they would do it again, and again and again and again...
martin j smith| 7.19.11 @ 4:28PM
Reject the "gang of six " plan. It will not only not solve our problem but add to those problems because it fails to control spending. NO NO and NO
David| 7.19.11 @ 4:47PM
ARE THEY SERIOUS. This is a tax hike pure and simple. The cuts will never come. I cannot believe anybody seriously believes buynch of politicians promises to cut spending in the future. It will never happen. If we can't cut spending NOW, who thinks we will cut spending later when the pressure is off. Who is stupid enough to believe that the Senate Dems will agree to cuts in the future. I cannot believe how utterly stupid the Republicans in the Senate are. What utter crap.
Mike| 7.19.11 @ 5:10PM
No, no, no, no, no, and no...one for each of the "Gang of Six." I agree with David - the tax hikes come and the spending cuts never see the light of day. Stop the spending and vote the RINOs out of office.
Mike| 7.19.11 @ 5:11PM
And I needed to say "HELL NO" to the President.
Timothy L. Pennell| 7.19.11 @ 5:48PM
I'm sorry. Maybe it's just me, but, I don't think that we went out there and PROTESTED, and attended RALLIES, and put in our BLOOD, SWEAT, and TEARS, to get all of those new Republicans elected to the House of Representatives, so that an OLD BAG, like Kay Baily Hutchinson, and those other 2 SENATE LOSERS - Yeah Coburn, I'm talking about YOU, could just P*SS IT ALL AWAY!
We didn't elect 80 NEW HOUSE MEMBERS, so that these 3 PIECES OF SH*T, could throw a freakin MONKEY WRENCH into the whole F-ING DEAL.
COBURN, you're TOAST.
I think it's time that we took a page from the Democrat's Playbook, and started FILLING UP BUSES, for a visit to these SCUMBAG'S HOMES.
Who's with me?
Kyle| 7.19.11 @ 6:38PM
We need to protest and rally some more; this time we need to protest and rally against these RINOs.
Mimi| 7.19.11 @ 7:19PM
" The vast majotity of the spending reductions would be left up to Democratic-chaired committees to determine to be worked out after the DEBT-CEILING is RAISED"
Thats all I need to read...a BAD DEAL for AMERICA....OMG here we go again! O.K. we work to primary and support the Conservative in EVERY senate RACE....It needed many more anyway...focus..zero in..STAY strong...we all knew the battle has just begun...MORE..HILL to CLIMB....SO what else is new...WE are Patriots..It will be DONE just like 2010!
Mike G| 7.19.11 @ 8:05PM
I hope they can get a reasonable compromise. There is good commentary on the budget and Catholic social teaching at http://www.catholicurrent.com/#/.
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.19.11 @ 8:08PM
Gang bang from six.
Chuck| 7.19.11 @ 8:34PM
It started with McConnell last week, then 1/2 of the gang of 6 and now the GOP senators are lining up in favor of the Democratic plan of debt-ceiling increase, higher taxes and phony spending cuts. Even Representative Cantor agrees with Coburn, soon the House Republicans led by the Speaker will fall into place and Obama wins.
LarryK| 7.19.11 @ 8:45PM
Hanging??
Wayne | 7.19.11 @ 11:22PM
3 Republican plan and 0 Democratic plan and Obama gets to choose. Even the "cuts" are a charade. I can only conclude the the GOP is in league with Obama. They are just the blocking backs for for the Democrats.
chester arthur| 7.20.11 @ 8:57AM
Tax hikes now,reductions in tax breaks for individuals now,but spending cuts later?You've got to be kidding.A spending cut deferred will never happen.One of these 'gang of six' was a former Virginia governor who,in times of budget shortfall,refused to cut his staff of devoted young men(real,REAL devoted),while cutting public services to scare the public into accepting the biggest tax hike in Virginia history.It's no accident that the 'gang of six' sounds so much like China's old 'gang of four'.It's the same principle,self-aggrandizement at the expense of the public good.
Derek Leaberry| 7.20.11 @ 9:04AM
One would wish that it be made clear to the American people that any plan of longer than two years can be altered by a new Congress. For sake of argument, if Andrew Cuomo is elected president in 2016 with Democratic majorities in Congress, he can blow any plan legislated in 2011 to smithereens. And that is what Barack Obama expects.
All American American| 7.20.11 @ 10:01AM
I just called my creditors and told them my new plan for paying bills. I keep spending and spending NOW, with the promise that 10 years from now I'll pay it back. Its my Obama/Gang of Six plan.
Yeah they didn't like that. Not one bit.