The pro-life Susan B. Anthony List, found here, routinely asks
candidates to sign their "pro-life pledge" (as Congresswoman
Michele Bachmann has done).
The pledge takes on considerable importance in Republican
circles as it indicates the candidate's attitude toward appointing
conservatives to the U.S. Supreme Court and the rest of the federal
bench, as well as at the sensitive positions of Cabinet Departments
Health and Human Services and Justice. Additionally, the candidate
agrees to support the defunding of Planned Parenthood.
The news:
Front-runner Mitt Romney has refused to sign.
Aside from providing the obvious opening for opponents
(Rick Santorum quickly
pounced, taking Romney to task), the Romney refusal raises the
concern a President Romney would be appointing Supreme Court
nominees in the mold of George H.W. Bush appointee David Souter --
the latter who famously was presented as a conservative and became
a dependable liberal Court vote the moment he was seated. Souter,
it should be noted, was from New Hampshire -- where Romney is
concentrating his efforts.
Also not signing: candidates Herman Cain and Gary
Johnson.
Romney's position is obvious: he never had a conversion of the
heart on the abortion issue. Moreover, Mormons hung onto racist
beliefs deep into the modern era and abortion has always had a
racial tinge, which is why Margaret Sanger, Jesse Jackson, and most
recently Judge Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg have emphasized abortion's
utility to contol, in Ginsberg's formulation, "populations we don't
want too many of".
Cain's is utterly inexplicable, given how many African-American
children have been exterminated in the fluorescent abattoirs of
Planned Parenthood (the most Orwellian named organization since the
Committee for Public Safety.
Occam's Tool| 6.19.11 @ 3:37AM
Teflon---don't forget the National Institute for Clinical
Excellence in Britain. That's pretty Orwellian.
But, good on 'ya for noting that Sanger was a vicious
racist.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 6.18.11 @ 1:21PM
Signing documents before you are elected is at best a publicity
stunt.
However, I do agree that Romney will most likely be backwatered
into appointing pseudo-justices who will actively seek to legislate
from the bench.
Just look at his "liberal" judicial appointments as governor and
you have your answer as to what he will do if given the chance in
the future.
Michael L. Hauschild| 6.18.11 @ 1:23PM
Well, damned if you do: DAMNED if you don't.
Pelligrino| 6.18.11 @ 1:28PM
We'll have to see what Cain might say, but, if he won't sign on,
he's done. It's over. Was he also just doing this "run" as a lark
or as a way to increase his business profile in America?
Which party (part of the electorate) is he courting for
favor?
So...maybe this was for Cain all about just jockeying for a
Dept. of Commerce posting in December 2012.
If these individuals cannot see how abortions are destroying
America in so many ways, then they don't have minds capable of the
many challenges of the presidency.
Romney, once more, doesn't get it. That's okay. We don't need
him. After all, the guy lost out to McCain of all people. That
reveals all kinds of character flaws. All flapppadoddle and no real
core values.
Teflon93| 6.18.11 @ 1:43PM
I agree---I supported Cain but no longer do.
Signing pledges is not a stunt---it is a reflection of where the
candidate stands; what they really believe.
Romney believes nothing except that he is entitled to the
presidency. This is the root of his flipflops, inconsistencies, and
lack of firm conservative principles.
His position is not going to sit well with the Mormon faithful
who are among the most pro-life Americans there are.
Michael L. Hauschild| 6.18.11 @ 6:31PM
Teflon93,
How do you manage to explain yoursef (and the facts) in so few
words?
Teflon93| 6.18.11 @ 8:07PM
Michael-
You're far too kind---that's the first time I've been accused of
brevity!
We are starting to agree again. Watch out, you may be a closet
libertarian.
Occam's Tool| 6.20.11 @ 12:17AM
Dear Warrior:
No, sir, I am a Conservative. And a proud barbarian. Romney
lacks a spine.
If you want a good chill down your spine, go to the CIA Factbook
and look at the Demographic data on Europe v. The Caliphate. That's
why I can't be a Libertarian.
I have read a few of the articles on your website now, and I
really like your style of blogging
Anthony M| 6.18.11 @ 2:14PM
We might actually have to swallow hard and accept Romney at his
word. He says he's pro-life but won't sign the so-called pledge
because it might hamper his ability to hire prospective cabinet
members, maybe he has a point. The problem is, except for Ron Paul,
the rest of those running for the Republican nomination look like
serious lightweights. Romney at least was a successful businesman
and has governing experience. He's a moderate, it's true, and maybe
a little too nice, but the USA is kind of a center-right, moderate
nation, and maybe he's our best hope. I don't think any of the
other candidates that stood on the podium, except Ron Paul, stand a
chance.
Teflon93| 6.18.11 @ 2:34PM
Conservatives are pro-life. He will have no problem hiring
pro-life cabinet members so long as he hires conservatives.
Which he has no intention of doing.
RTamlin| 6.18.11 @ 3:55PM
Except for Ron Paul? Way to destroy your credibility in three
words. Ron Paul is a joke candidate. He only does well in the sort
of polls where his fans can stuff the ballots. In real polls he's
got as much support as Newt, another joke of a candidate.
Accept Romney at his word? Romney has proven over and over that
he will say whatever it takes to get elected. Anyone who wants to
take Romney at his word is a liberal shill at best.
Claypoole| 6.18.11 @ 4:11PM
Yes, Romney is just another Bob
I'll-be-anything-you-want-me-to-be Dole. He is desperate to be
president, and it shows.
OH my !!! Did you find it THAT necessary to point out Paul is a
serious candidate. I have to hand it to PaulBots, they're doggone
persistent in the face of common sense.
To finish your credibility off, you just had to wrap it up by
insisting your Loony Libertarian actually has a chance outside of
the whacko's in TX 14. Sheesh.
kingsmill| 6.18.11 @ 2:30PM
Watch video of Romney demanding to be considered as much of a
pro-abort as his Leftist opponent.
Romney will not be nominated if he does not sign; he may not be
nominated regardless. Bachman should be the nominee.
Seventhrowscreamer | 6.18.11 @ 3:12PM
Mitt is a lib.
Truth to Power| 6.18.11 @ 3:13PM
Strike nine!
elliesue| 6.18.11 @ 4:09PM
So Jeffrey, where is the update to this
post???http://mittromneycentral.com/2011/06/18/mitt-romneys-pro-life-pledge/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MittRomneyCentral+(Mitt+Romney+Central)&utm_content=Google+Reader
elliesue,
Thank you for the mittromney.com link. I just read it. The problem
is the date at the top: June 18, 2011 (today!)
Please help me (and other readers) out. I just cannot follow
these things like a full-time campaign 2012 network reporter.
Is this Mitt Romney website June 18, 2011 update on the Susan B.
Anthony pledge...is this a Mitt "update" because he realizes the
potentially terrible fallout of refusing to sign the pledge? Is
this one-page statement an effort at damage control with
conservatives?
In other words, is the web page now altered (newly worded) on
June 18th (today) or was this page of explanation not in existence
before today?
I think -- but am not sure -- you are trying to make a point
regarding Mitt's continued inconsistencies. Am I right?
Please help clarify. Thank you.
elliesue| 6.19.11 @ 1:53AM
He needed to explain why he did not sign the Pro-Life Pledge.
This is his position on abortion - it has been the same for a very
long time. Only someone who is looking intently for Romney's next
flip flop would be confused about this. If it's sarcasm your
attempting here, sorry, I don't find it amusing. You need to accuse
Reagan of this as well. I'm sending a link your way - read it
please and then try your sarcasm again on me. Maybe it will work
the second time around. http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html
Nick| 6.19.11 @ 6:05PM
Ellisue,
"[...] This is his position on abortion - it has been the same
for a very long time."
If by "a very long time" you mean November 2004 (when he claims
he changed his mind, but, was probably when he decided to
run for president,) then, I guess, yes, Romney has been "Pro-Life"
for a long time.
From 1994 through 2002 he was violently pro-abortion, as much as
'The Swimmer' Kennedy. When he's running for the GOP nomination he
wants all of us to believe he is adamantly Pro-Life.
I'm not that gullible. Are you, Ellisue?
Here's a link from the RINO mag The Weakly
Standard:
p.s. Keep in mind, The Weakly Standard article is from
2007. So....Romney was "Pro-Life" for a grand total of TWO
YEARS! when he started to run for the GOP nod.
He was a grown man in 2002 and very thoughtful and
introspective," Stockman says, "so the fact that he says he hadn't
thought through these issues seems very odd." Melissa Kogut, NARAL
Pro-Choice Massachusetts's executive director, says, "It is
conventional wisdom that candidates in Massachusetts need to be
pro-choice to win. He ran as pro-choice. As he began exploring the
run for president, he changed. No matter where you stand on this
issue, you should question where he stands." Angus McQuilken of
Planned Parenthood says, "When a candidate or elected official can
move so easily from one position to the opposite overnight, it
leaves voters wondering whether he has any core values."
WOW - I really respect comments from the NARAL executive director
and a Planned Parenthood spokesperson. Romney vetoed embryonic stem
cell research and vetoed the morning after pill. I'll take his
actions over the vile words of leftists who desire to influence
Republican primary voters. It appears their efforts are bearing
fruit.
elliesue| 6.19.11 @ 9:45PM
p.s. Keep in mind, The Weakly Standard article is from 2007.
So....Romney was "Pro-Life" for a grand total of TWO YEARS! when he
started to run for the GOP nod
It's obvious to me that you didn't read your own referenced
article. This 2007 article is talking about an earlier time.
Romney's conversion took place in 2004.
Nick| 6.20.11 @ 1:11AM
Ellisue,
It appears you didn't read my first comment, or, forgot it in an
hour.
I stated that Romney claims that he changed his mind in
November 2004. The Weakly Standard article I linked to
(and read) is from February 2007. That's a little more than
TWO YEARS!
The pro-aborts that you quote, from the same article, don't
change the timeline or the facts. When Romney was running for
office in Massachusetts, in 1994 and 2002, he was pro-abortion.
When he decided to run for the GOP nomination, he suddenly
became "Pro-Life."
As the "Church Lady" might say: "Howwwww....convenient."
Now, he won't even sign a simple Pro-Life pledge. That's an
action that speaks louder than words, is it not, Elliesue?
Nick| 6.20.11 @ 1:22AM
Elliesue,
Your link is not about Romney's supposed "conversion"
story.
Jeffrey Lord| 6.19.11 @ 12:05AM
elliesue....
Mitt Romney is a great guy. But the sites and info you submit
have enough wiggle room on this issue to drive a cavalcade of
trucks through. It speaks exactly to the Romney problem - which is
to say he has a mindset that is within the confines of
Establishment thinking. Bold is not on the table. Caution,
acceptability is all. That's what is in evidence with the answers
you post.
Thanks.
elliesue| 6.19.11 @ 1:37AM
Well, I must say, I'm shocked that someone finally decided to
engage. I'm so tired of these comment threads that say nothing more
than - RINO, Flip flop etc. Thank you for your comment. At least I
post some links and try to engage. Here's another. http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html
So what now, I'll take Michele Bachmann, she fits your description
- Bold. I love her. Lets wait and see how she polls against the big
O. Nothing on this site has even made a dent in trying to change my
mind from endorsing Romney/Bachmann. It's sort of embarrasing to
read the threads on this site and Hot Air. Most of these commenters
presume to know what Romney thinks, and they totally ignore what he
says.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 6.19.11 @ 8:46AM
Mitt Romney is a well documented flip flopper.
On that note, how can the public know what he thinks, if this
thinking is a trajectory.
Occam's Tool| 6.18.11 @ 4:36PM
Thank you, Elliesue, for your service to readers. I looked at
this. It's another example of Mitt Whiffling.
We need a candidate with spine, knowledge, and principles. BTO
has them. Mitt, not so much. And Herman Cain has such huge
knowledge gaps I'm starting to wonder about him. I care much less
that Michele Bachman may not know where the first shots of the
Revolution were, than I do about the fact that I haven't found a
SINGLE area of policy in which I have any significant disagreement
with her.
I would still vote for Romney over Obama, but I'm not voting for
him in primary season.
darcy| 6.18.11 @ 8:12PM
I've followed your posts, OT, for many a season here on amspec,
and I most often agree with you and your well-reasoned comments.
But let me say this about your signaling that you would vote for
Romney over Obama: this is all the establishment needs to know in
order to force another RINO on us -- it is our desperation to pull
the lever for anyone that is not an out-and-out Marxist. The
establishment needs, rather, to understand that their power is
GONE; no longer will conservatives get in line to vote the better
of two evils.
I know I will not. The Republicans can maneuver to place the
most establishment-friendly nominee forward, and all they'll get
from me is silence. The only power we have is at the ballot box,
and the establishment intends to make sure that an "electable"
nominee prevails. Little do they know that the base intends to sit
home and let the chips fall where they may rather than endure the
death by slow torture that is the RINO way. Do not discount
Reagan's 11th commandment: thou shalt not speak evil of thy fellow
Republican. How else do you think "W" was allowed to get away with
so much liberal garbage; it was because the establishment tamped
down the patriotic outcry.
We get Romney in the oval, and it's bye-bye Tea Party.
Teflon93| 6.18.11 @ 8:47PM
Since RINOs are always spouting about the need for party loyalty
over ideology, isn't it about time they lived up to their own
standards and voted for a conservative?
It's not as if we didn't try running a RINO against Obama
already. He won.
Occam's Tool| 6.18.11 @ 9:48PM
You understand, I think Romney is not useful. In fact, I think
he's an idiot.
But, Jeez, another 4 years of Obama? Commodus reigned from
180-192 as solo governor. His reign was generally considered the
start of the fall of the Roman Empire. He may have been a tad
better than Obama. In short, Obama is worse than a Commode.
Given that, gag, I don't know what I'd do if Romney was the
candidate. But I believe it will be BTO, myself.
But your arguments are very painful in their perspicacity,
darcy. Romney would be a disaster, just not as much of one as a
second Obama term. At least he would be better on foreign policy, I
think
Pelligrino| 6.18.11 @ 11:43PM
OT, I have a request. When you write BTO you mean Congresswoman
Michelle Bachmann, correct? I think so. Perhaps I should know, but
it is unclear.
For readers who do not so frequently come to this website, it is
probably helpful to avoid the acronym.
If you are supporting someone (and/or the key elements of that
individual's campaign) and validating the support with good points,
readers should understand who you mean.
Otherwise an infrequent site visitor & speed reader might
think by BTO you mean "Barrack Twice-elected Obama," maybe?
Occam's Tool| 6.19.11 @ 3:30AM
Beloved Pellegrino: Bachman Turner Overdrive. BTO. One of Randy
Bachman's TWO great bands. Bachmann comes from a state that borders
Canada, so there is a multiple play here. Besides, I'm an advocate
for "Taking Care of Business" as an anti-Obama song, and it would
be perfect for Bachmann to use it, wouldn't it?
Finally, I'm hoping "BTO" gets picked up as a short-cut to
describe Michele, as they really were a great band, man. I'm a bit
of a "gear-head."
Occam's Tool| 6.19.11 @ 3:35AM
I don't endorse Romney in the White House, darcy. But is a
second Obama term better?
Paul is even worse, as I believe is foreign policy is even MORE
anti-American power than Obama. Now, if he's the guy on the ballot,
I might write in my wife's name as a protest. Fitting, since he
supports no other Republicans and votes most consistently with
Dennis Kucinich on matters outside of America. I might also start
looking at Ozzie as a place to practice.
Clint| 6.19.11 @ 10:53AM
"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a
stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows
well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first.
We need to keep him fighting for our country."
-Ronald Reagan
Michael L. Hauschild| 6.19.11 @ 11:11AM
So let me get this straight.
Right now in the WH we have an individual that has united the right
as no other could, and as no other ever will.
Right now in the WH we have someone who has exhibited for all to
see, and to feel the utter fallacy of socialistic big
government.
Right now in the WH we have someone who has shot every arrow in the
quiver of the Democratic Party, including their sharpest, the
“racist arrow.”
So, what do you do, seize the opportunity? No, you go about the
business as usual of placing a RINO, a Boehner type, a proven
champion of the process and the mechanism that brought us to the
place we are today.
You ignore and misunderstand the Tea Party; I have yet to hear from
any candidate “Taxed Enough Already.” This is because most are the
same as Obama, denizens of the tax and spend establishment. The
“one who leads, the Mandate Moron” is the real author of ObamaCare.
One of your runner-ups can’t even get his mouth to work tying to
say that. You have park bench Lotharios, haters of our allies, and
Obama appointees. The only one in the running with the credentials
of “listening” is, while moral to the core, a former IRS tax
attorney.
Your pundits, the MSM, are clamoring the alarm pointing their
fingers at the iceberg we hit not the captains and crew that has
been steering the SS Republicnic.
Your primary system is a circular firing squad, and the MSM is
handing ammo to the mortally wounded, not to advance conservatism,
but to stay in the game to destroy the leaders. Do you not wonder
why some sit this out as long as possible?
I have had enough, all you seem capable of doing is singing the
same song, casting the same old play with the same old
actors.
What most of you fail to see is the best result you hope to achieve
is nothing other than what we have already tried. You are not
trying to save the country, that country is gone; destroyed as
thoroughly and effectively by [R]’s malfeasance as Obama and his
[D] minions.
Well you have played your trump card to me for forty years, the old
“Don’t worry we can do whatever we want, he will come around” will
not work this time. I do not worry about Obama; he is spent. He may
have destroyed the country already, and you are in full preparation
mode to, I will not help you unless the lady from Alaska either
enters the race or endorsed Bachmann.
I just bought a movie, cost a bit and I will have to wait awile,
but I can gurantee it will be the most reviewed CD on the
market.
Teflon93| 6.19.11 @ 12:08PM
It's the same old, same old with the GOP establishment,
Michael---when the brand has been tarnished by a RINO and you're up
against a hardcore leftist ideologue, why, they say, we must run a
RINO to attract independents and moderates. When the hardcore
leftist ideologue whips the RINO, in the next election cycle the
Establishment says, why, you must run a RINO---it's their turn and
conservatives never win.
Except that conservatives do---when they run as
conservatives.
In the eyes of the GOP establishment, it is simply NEVER time to
run a conservative. Ask them.
By its actions the GOP believes its base is moderate/center
right. The GOP believes the Conservatives have no other place to
go. Thus the GOP is a big spending, large government, entitlement
loving, liberty restricting establishment. We are again arguing
between the choices of Marxist and Socialism (somewhat socialist
lite). The only avenue left is either find a state that is willing
to secede or starting a 3rd party. A 3rd party ensures democrat
control until bankruptcy.
Chuck| 6.18.11 @ 4:46PM
Little by little the true Romney has emerged, global warming,
ethanol subsidies and now refuses to sign the pledge...inhibits him
from appointing pro-abortion federal judges/cabinet members and
defunding Planned Parenthood, his wife won't like that. Romney
reminded us he's unemployed, good keep him that way for the rest of
his political life.
Gold BC| 6.18.11 @ 5:29PM
This week Cain and Pawlenty have been eliminated. Romney has
bared his liberal fangs and by reading these comments his
"frontrunner" status has been diminished. Bachmann was overhyped
and surprisingly Gingrich had a good week and is a player again. No
show Huntsman placed in the straw poll giving him a chance and dark
horse Perry who did show didn't impress anyone including the straw
pollers.
Mimi| 6.18.11 @ 6:10PM
For Mimi....Three strikes and your out...1.
OBAMA-ROMNEYCARE...2. GLOBAL WARMING..( "Gotta cut that carbon") 3.
Lost me here, this is a HEART-BREAKER! Refused to sign Pro-life
pledge and a LAME..LAME...excuse!
Now , I gotta start packing, saving $ and plan on a long trip to
New Hampshire..and make phone calls, and lick envelopes.
CRUCIAL...LIFE, Liberty, and Happiness (persuit of property)
Tom| 6.18.11 @ 7:30PM
A RINO is a RINO is a RINO is a RINOis a RINO.........
bluecollarbytes| 6.18.11 @ 8:05PM
Romney just doesn't have that great a problem with where we're
headed or where we're already at in the govt/citizen relationship.
He just wants to make it 'better', in a more compassionate- vote
dividing scheme.
Obamascare is fine as long as it's the states forcing citizens
to buy. Planned Parenthood is allowed to continue its charade by
weenie-spined politicians.
Man-made Global Warming may be true, or not, but let's 'insure'
against it, just in case. I'm guessing that Romney would even have
a problem with ending govt-sanctioned "art".
From what I see, Romney is a fine man, just not the one who can
start opposing the left in the way we need if we are EVER to slow
down the good ship USA prior to turning it around.
mzk| 6.19.11 @ 8:20AM
Sorry, I just read the pledge and I think it IS too specific,
and I as pro-like as you can get, danger to the mother's life
excepted.
I am sick of this anti-Mormon bigotry. They are probably the
most moral religious group in the U.S. Did it occur to you that
maybe the religious issue is that he takes PLEDGES very seriously?
There's a reason the Constitution allows the president to affirm.
As a Jew, I appreaciate it.
mzk| 6.19.11 @ 8:21AM
P.S. Why do people keep on tying Sanger to abortion? IIRC, she
was anti-abortion. The only things they both have in common is
Planned Parenthood, and that both are evil.
Occam's Tool| 6.20.11 @ 12:22AM
Maggie Sanger, in her own words:
"It is said that a fish as large as a man has a brain no larger
than the kernel of an almond. In all fish and reptiles where there
is no great brain development, there is also no conscious sexual
control. The lower down in the scale of human development we go the
less sexual control we find. It is said that the aboriginal
Australian, the lowest known species of the human family, just a
step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development, has so little
sexual control that police authority alone prevents him from
obtaining sexual satisfaction on the streets.[19]"
No racist, she. (Giggle)
Nick| 6.20.11 @ 2:51AM
mzk,
Yes, Sanger was against abortion. She prefered one evil,
contraception, over another, abortion. She even believed it was the
taking of life. Although, in 1920, she didn't seem to emphasize it
that much.
Sanger also wrote this: "In plain, everyday language, in an
abortion there is always a very serious risk to the health and
often to the life of the patient." She sounds like Jerry Falwell
(in this instance, at least.)
How ironic it is that the racist eugenicist, who founded
Planned Parenthood, was against abortion, since PP uses
both contraception and abortion to carry out her eugenic dream.
In the words of Rush Limbaugh: "bye, bye nomination."
Louis Tully| 6.19.11 @ 6:59PM
No shocker from Mitt. He has no core beliefs. Wouldn't vote for
him under any circumstances.
Surprised about Cain, and his explanation is extremely lame.
Just crossed him off my list.
elliesue| 6.19.11 @ 11:42PM
Aside from providing the obvious opening for opponents...the
Romney refusal raises the concern a President Romney would be
appointing Supreme Court nominees in the mold of George H.W. Bush
appointee David Souter -- the latter who famously was presented as
a conservative and became a dependable liberal Court vote the
moment he was seated. Souter, it should be noted, was from New
Hampshire -- where Romney is concentrating his efforts.
Jeffrey, what kind of propoganda is this??? Change G. H. W. Bush
to President Reagan and change David Souter to Sandra Day O'Connor
and then tell me if you would have still written those words.
I believe I have figured out whats going on with these editorial
posts at AmSpec and HotAir with Allapundit - Write something really
atrocious about Romney or Sarah Palin and get all the left wing
nuts to start with their comments - you can easily get the number
up into the hundreds and you can claim you have huge numbers
attracted to your posts. Jeffrey, one of me is worth more - I
actually contributed $ to this website. That is, of course, because
there are many really great articles from here. But throwing out -
"Uh-oh." starts the ball rolling and then to add a little bit of
history without context ensures a great number of comments. I have
totally wasted my time with this, I'm not a fool.
Teflon93| 6.18.11 @ 12:47PM
Romney's position is obvious: he never had a conversion of the heart on the abortion issue. Moreover, Mormons hung onto racist beliefs deep into the modern era and abortion has always had a racial tinge, which is why Margaret Sanger, Jesse Jackson, and most recently Judge Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg have emphasized abortion's utility to contol, in Ginsberg's formulation, "populations we don't want too many of".
Cain's is utterly inexplicable, given how many African-American children have been exterminated in the fluorescent abattoirs of Planned Parenthood (the most Orwellian named organization since the Committee for Public Safety.
Occam's Tool| 6.19.11 @ 3:37AM
Teflon---don't forget the National Institute for Clinical Excellence in Britain. That's pretty Orwellian.
But, good on 'ya for noting that Sanger was a vicious racist.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 6.18.11 @ 1:21PM
Signing documents before you are elected is at best a publicity stunt.
However, I do agree that Romney will most likely be backwatered into appointing pseudo-justices who will actively seek to legislate from the bench.
In fact, there's very little doubt of that.
Warrior| 6.19.11 @ 11:23AM
Just look at his "liberal" judicial appointments as governor and you have your answer as to what he will do if given the chance in the future.
Michael L. Hauschild| 6.18.11 @ 1:23PM
Well, damned if you do: DAMNED if you don't.
Pelligrino| 6.18.11 @ 1:28PM
We'll have to see what Cain might say, but, if he won't sign on, he's done. It's over. Was he also just doing this "run" as a lark or as a way to increase his business profile in America?
Which party (part of the electorate) is he courting for favor?
So...maybe this was for Cain all about just jockeying for a Dept. of Commerce posting in December 2012.
If these individuals cannot see how abortions are destroying America in so many ways, then they don't have minds capable of the many challenges of the presidency.
Romney, once more, doesn't get it. That's okay. We don't need him. After all, the guy lost out to McCain of all people. That reveals all kinds of character flaws. All flapppadoddle and no real core values.
Teflon93| 6.18.11 @ 1:43PM
I agree---I supported Cain but no longer do.
Signing pledges is not a stunt---it is a reflection of where the candidate stands; what they really believe.
Romney believes nothing except that he is entitled to the presidency. This is the root of his flipflops, inconsistencies, and lack of firm conservative principles.
His position is not going to sit well with the Mormon faithful who are among the most pro-life Americans there are.
Michael L. Hauschild| 6.18.11 @ 6:31PM
Teflon93,
How do you manage to explain yoursef (and the facts) in so few words?
Teflon93| 6.18.11 @ 8:07PM
Michael-
You're far too kind---that's the first time I've been accused of brevity!
Occam's Tool| 6.19.11 @ 3:36AM
Beautifully written.
Warrior| 6.19.11 @ 11:26AM
We are starting to agree again. Watch out, you may be a closet libertarian.
Occam's Tool| 6.20.11 @ 12:17AM
Dear Warrior:
No, sir, I am a Conservative. And a proud barbarian. Romney lacks a spine.
If you want a good chill down your spine, go to the CIA Factbook and look at the Demographic data on Europe v. The Caliphate. That's why I can't be a Libertarian.
Discount gucci bags on sale| 7.29.11 @ 10:13PM
I have read a few of the articles on your website now, and I really like your style of blogging
Anthony M| 6.18.11 @ 2:14PM
We might actually have to swallow hard and accept Romney at his word. He says he's pro-life but won't sign the so-called pledge because it might hamper his ability to hire prospective cabinet members, maybe he has a point. The problem is, except for Ron Paul, the rest of those running for the Republican nomination look like serious lightweights. Romney at least was a successful businesman and has governing experience. He's a moderate, it's true, and maybe a little too nice, but the USA is kind of a center-right, moderate nation, and maybe he's our best hope. I don't think any of the other candidates that stood on the podium, except Ron Paul, stand a chance.
Teflon93| 6.18.11 @ 2:34PM
Conservatives are pro-life. He will have no problem hiring pro-life cabinet members so long as he hires conservatives.
Which he has no intention of doing.
RTamlin| 6.18.11 @ 3:55PM
Except for Ron Paul? Way to destroy your credibility in three words. Ron Paul is a joke candidate. He only does well in the sort of polls where his fans can stuff the ballots. In real polls he's got as much support as Newt, another joke of a candidate.
Accept Romney at his word? Romney has proven over and over that he will say whatever it takes to get elected. Anyone who wants to take Romney at his word is a liberal shill at best.
Claypoole| 6.18.11 @ 4:11PM
Yes, Romney is just another Bob I'll-be-anything-you-want-me-to-be Dole. He is desperate to be president, and it shows.
Jackboot| 6.19.11 @ 6:45PM
OH my !!! Did you find it THAT necessary to point out Paul is a serious candidate. I have to hand it to PaulBots, they're doggone persistent in the face of common sense.
To finish your credibility off, you just had to wrap it up by insisting your Loony Libertarian actually has a chance outside of the whacko's in TX 14. Sheesh.
kingsmill| 6.18.11 @ 2:30PM
Watch video of Romney demanding to be considered as much of a pro-abort as his Leftist opponent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4
W| 6.18.11 @ 2:57PM
Romney will not be nominated if he does not sign; he may not be nominated regardless. Bachman should be the nominee.
Seventhrowscreamer | 6.18.11 @ 3:12PM
Mitt is a lib.
Truth to Power| 6.18.11 @ 3:13PM
Strike nine!
elliesue| 6.18.11 @ 4:09PM
So Jeffrey, where is the update to this post???http://mittromneycentral.com/2011/06/18/mitt-romneys-pro-life-pledge/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MittRomneyCentral+(Mitt+Romney+Central)&utm_content=Google+Reader
elliesue| 6.18.11 @ 4:11PM
http://mittromney.com/blogs/mi.....ife-pledge
Pelligrino| 6.19.11 @ 12:01AM
elliesue,
Thank you for the mittromney.com link. I just read it. The problem is the date at the top: June 18, 2011 (today!)
Please help me (and other readers) out. I just cannot follow these things like a full-time campaign 2012 network reporter.
Is this Mitt Romney website June 18, 2011 update on the Susan B. Anthony pledge...is this a Mitt "update" because he realizes the potentially terrible fallout of refusing to sign the pledge? Is this one-page statement an effort at damage control with conservatives?
In other words, is the web page now altered (newly worded) on June 18th (today) or was this page of explanation not in existence before today?
I think -- but am not sure -- you are trying to make a point regarding Mitt's continued inconsistencies. Am I right?
Please help clarify. Thank you.
elliesue| 6.19.11 @ 1:53AM
He needed to explain why he did not sign the Pro-Life Pledge. This is his position on abortion - it has been the same for a very long time. Only someone who is looking intently for Romney's next flip flop would be confused about this. If it's sarcasm your attempting here, sorry, I don't find it amusing. You need to accuse Reagan of this as well. I'm sending a link your way - read it please and then try your sarcasm again on me. Maybe it will work the second time around. http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html
Nick| 6.19.11 @ 6:05PM
Ellisue,
"[...] This is his position on abortion - it has been the same for a very long time."
If by "a very long time" you mean November 2004 (when he claims he changed his mind, but, was probably when he decided to run for president,) then, I guess, yes, Romney has been "Pro-Life" for a long time.
From 1994 through 2002 he was violently pro-abortion, as much as 'The Swimmer' Kennedy. When he's running for the GOP nomination he wants all of us to believe he is adamantly Pro-Life.
I'm not that gullible. Are you, Ellisue?
Here's a link from the RINO mag The Weakly Standard:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/.....2htyos.asp
Nick| 6.19.11 @ 6:09PM
p.s. Keep in mind, The Weakly Standard article is from 2007. So....Romney was "Pro-Life" for a grand total of TWO YEARS! when he started to run for the GOP nod.
elliesue| 6.19.11 @ 9:01PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/.....asp?page=2
Now go read Romney's conversion story - sounds alot like Reagan.
elliesue| 6.19.11 @ 9:34PM
He was a grown man in 2002 and very thoughtful and introspective," Stockman says, "so the fact that he says he hadn't thought through these issues seems very odd." Melissa Kogut, NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts's executive director, says, "It is conventional wisdom that candidates in Massachusetts need to be pro-choice to win. He ran as pro-choice. As he began exploring the run for president, he changed. No matter where you stand on this issue, you should question where he stands." Angus McQuilken of Planned Parenthood says, "When a candidate or elected official can move so easily from one position to the opposite overnight, it leaves voters wondering whether he has any core values."
WOW - I really respect comments from the NARAL executive director and a Planned Parenthood spokesperson. Romney vetoed embryonic stem cell research and vetoed the morning after pill. I'll take his actions over the vile words of leftists who desire to influence Republican primary voters. It appears their efforts are bearing fruit.
elliesue| 6.19.11 @ 9:45PM
p.s. Keep in mind, The Weakly Standard article is from 2007. So....Romney was "Pro-Life" for a grand total of TWO YEARS! when he started to run for the GOP nod
It's obvious to me that you didn't read your own referenced article. This 2007 article is talking about an earlier time. Romney's conversion took place in 2004.
Nick| 6.20.11 @ 1:11AM
Ellisue,
It appears you didn't read my first comment, or, forgot it in an hour.
I stated that Romney claims that he changed his mind in November 2004. The Weakly Standard article I linked to (and read) is from February 2007. That's a little more than TWO YEARS!
The pro-aborts that you quote, from the same article, don't change the timeline or the facts. When Romney was running for office in Massachusetts, in 1994 and 2002, he was pro-abortion. When he decided to run for the GOP nomination, he suddenly became "Pro-Life."
As the "Church Lady" might say: "Howwwww....convenient."
Now, he won't even sign a simple Pro-Life pledge. That's an action that speaks louder than words, is it not, Elliesue?
Nick| 6.20.11 @ 1:22AM
Elliesue,
Your link is not about Romney's supposed "conversion" story.
Jeffrey Lord| 6.19.11 @ 12:05AM
elliesue....
Mitt Romney is a great guy. But the sites and info you submit have enough wiggle room on this issue to drive a cavalcade of trucks through. It speaks exactly to the Romney problem - which is to say he has a mindset that is within the confines of Establishment thinking. Bold is not on the table. Caution, acceptability is all. That's what is in evidence with the answers you post.
Thanks.
elliesue| 6.19.11 @ 1:37AM
Well, I must say, I'm shocked that someone finally decided to engage. I'm so tired of these comment threads that say nothing more than - RINO, Flip flop etc. Thank you for your comment. At least I post some links and try to engage. Here's another. http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html
So what now, I'll take Michele Bachmann, she fits your description - Bold. I love her. Lets wait and see how she polls against the big O. Nothing on this site has even made a dent in trying to change my mind from endorsing Romney/Bachmann. It's sort of embarrasing to read the threads on this site and Hot Air. Most of these commenters presume to know what Romney thinks, and they totally ignore what he says.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 6.19.11 @ 8:46AM
Mitt Romney is a well documented flip flopper.
On that note, how can the public know what he thinks, if this thinking is a trajectory.
Occam's Tool| 6.18.11 @ 4:36PM
Thank you, Elliesue, for your service to readers. I looked at this. It's another example of Mitt Whiffling.
We need a candidate with spine, knowledge, and principles. BTO has them. Mitt, not so much. And Herman Cain has such huge knowledge gaps I'm starting to wonder about him. I care much less that Michele Bachman may not know where the first shots of the Revolution were, than I do about the fact that I haven't found a SINGLE area of policy in which I have any significant disagreement with her.
I would still vote for Romney over Obama, but I'm not voting for him in primary season.
darcy| 6.18.11 @ 8:12PM
I've followed your posts, OT, for many a season here on amspec, and I most often agree with you and your well-reasoned comments. But let me say this about your signaling that you would vote for Romney over Obama: this is all the establishment needs to know in order to force another RINO on us -- it is our desperation to pull the lever for anyone that is not an out-and-out Marxist. The establishment needs, rather, to understand that their power is GONE; no longer will conservatives get in line to vote the better of two evils.
I know I will not. The Republicans can maneuver to place the most establishment-friendly nominee forward, and all they'll get from me is silence. The only power we have is at the ballot box, and the establishment intends to make sure that an "electable" nominee prevails. Little do they know that the base intends to sit home and let the chips fall where they may rather than endure the death by slow torture that is the RINO way. Do not discount Reagan's 11th commandment: thou shalt not speak evil of thy fellow Republican. How else do you think "W" was allowed to get away with so much liberal garbage; it was because the establishment tamped down the patriotic outcry.
We get Romney in the oval, and it's bye-bye Tea Party.
Teflon93| 6.18.11 @ 8:47PM
Since RINOs are always spouting about the need for party loyalty over ideology, isn't it about time they lived up to their own standards and voted for a conservative?
It's not as if we didn't try running a RINO against Obama already. He won.
Occam's Tool| 6.18.11 @ 9:48PM
You understand, I think Romney is not useful. In fact, I think he's an idiot.
But, Jeez, another 4 years of Obama? Commodus reigned from 180-192 as solo governor. His reign was generally considered the start of the fall of the Roman Empire. He may have been a tad better than Obama. In short, Obama is worse than a Commode.
Given that, gag, I don't know what I'd do if Romney was the candidate. But I believe it will be BTO, myself.
But your arguments are very painful in their perspicacity, darcy. Romney would be a disaster, just not as much of one as a second Obama term. At least he would be better on foreign policy, I think
Pelligrino| 6.18.11 @ 11:43PM
OT, I have a request. When you write BTO you mean Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann, correct? I think so. Perhaps I should know, but it is unclear.
For readers who do not so frequently come to this website, it is probably helpful to avoid the acronym.
If you are supporting someone (and/or the key elements of that individual's campaign) and validating the support with good points, readers should understand who you mean.
Otherwise an infrequent site visitor & speed reader might think by BTO you mean "Barrack Twice-elected Obama," maybe?
Occam's Tool| 6.19.11 @ 3:30AM
Beloved Pellegrino: Bachman Turner Overdrive. BTO. One of Randy Bachman's TWO great bands. Bachmann comes from a state that borders Canada, so there is a multiple play here. Besides, I'm an advocate for "Taking Care of Business" as an anti-Obama song, and it would be perfect for Bachmann to use it, wouldn't it?
Finally, I'm hoping "BTO" gets picked up as a short-cut to describe Michele, as they really were a great band, man. I'm a bit of a "gear-head."
Occam's Tool| 6.19.11 @ 3:35AM
I don't endorse Romney in the White House, darcy. But is a second Obama term better?
Paul is even worse, as I believe is foreign policy is even MORE anti-American power than Obama. Now, if he's the guy on the ballot, I might write in my wife's name as a protest. Fitting, since he supports no other Republicans and votes most consistently with Dennis Kucinich on matters outside of America. I might also start looking at Ozzie as a place to practice.
Clint| 6.19.11 @ 10:53AM
"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."
-Ronald Reagan
Michael L. Hauschild| 6.19.11 @ 11:11AM
So let me get this straight.
Right now in the WH we have an individual that has united the right as no other could, and as no other ever will.
Right now in the WH we have someone who has exhibited for all to see, and to feel the utter fallacy of socialistic big government.
Right now in the WH we have someone who has shot every arrow in the quiver of the Democratic Party, including their sharpest, the “racist arrow.”
So, what do you do, seize the opportunity? No, you go about the business as usual of placing a RINO, a Boehner type, a proven champion of the process and the mechanism that brought us to the place we are today.
You ignore and misunderstand the Tea Party; I have yet to hear from any candidate “Taxed Enough Already.” This is because most are the same as Obama, denizens of the tax and spend establishment. The “one who leads, the Mandate Moron” is the real author of ObamaCare. One of your runner-ups can’t even get his mouth to work tying to say that. You have park bench Lotharios, haters of our allies, and Obama appointees. The only one in the running with the credentials of “listening” is, while moral to the core, a former IRS tax attorney.
Your pundits, the MSM, are clamoring the alarm pointing their fingers at the iceberg we hit not the captains and crew that has been steering the SS Republicnic.
Your primary system is a circular firing squad, and the MSM is handing ammo to the mortally wounded, not to advance conservatism, but to stay in the game to destroy the leaders. Do you not wonder why some sit this out as long as possible?
I have had enough, all you seem capable of doing is singing the same song, casting the same old play with the same old actors.
What most of you fail to see is the best result you hope to achieve is nothing other than what we have already tried. You are not trying to save the country, that country is gone; destroyed as thoroughly and effectively by [R]’s malfeasance as Obama and his [D] minions.
Well you have played your trump card to me for forty years, the old “Don’t worry we can do whatever we want, he will come around” will not work this time. I do not worry about Obama; he is spent. He may have destroyed the country already, and you are in full preparation mode to, I will not help you unless the lady from Alaska either enters the race or endorsed Bachmann.
I just bought a movie, cost a bit and I will have to wait awile, but I can gurantee it will be the most reviewed CD on the market.
Teflon93| 6.19.11 @ 12:08PM
It's the same old, same old with the GOP establishment, Michael---when the brand has been tarnished by a RINO and you're up against a hardcore leftist ideologue, why, they say, we must run a RINO to attract independents and moderates. When the hardcore leftist ideologue whips the RINO, in the next election cycle the Establishment says, why, you must run a RINO---it's their turn and conservatives never win.
Except that conservatives do---when they run as conservatives.
In the eyes of the GOP establishment, it is simply NEVER time to run a conservative. Ask them.
Warrior| 6.19.11 @ 4:50PM
By its actions the GOP believes its base is moderate/center right. The GOP believes the Conservatives have no other place to go. Thus the GOP is a big spending, large government, entitlement loving, liberty restricting establishment. We are again arguing between the choices of Marxist and Socialism (somewhat socialist lite). The only avenue left is either find a state that is willing to secede or starting a 3rd party. A 3rd party ensures democrat control until bankruptcy.
Chuck| 6.18.11 @ 4:46PM
Little by little the true Romney has emerged, global warming, ethanol subsidies and now refuses to sign the pledge...inhibits him from appointing pro-abortion federal judges/cabinet members and defunding Planned Parenthood, his wife won't like that. Romney reminded us he's unemployed, good keep him that way for the rest of his political life.
Gold BC| 6.18.11 @ 5:29PM
This week Cain and Pawlenty have been eliminated. Romney has bared his liberal fangs and by reading these comments his "frontrunner" status has been diminished. Bachmann was overhyped and surprisingly Gingrich had a good week and is a player again. No show Huntsman placed in the straw poll giving him a chance and dark horse Perry who did show didn't impress anyone including the straw pollers.
Mimi| 6.18.11 @ 6:10PM
For Mimi....Three strikes and your out...1. OBAMA-ROMNEYCARE...2. GLOBAL WARMING..( "Gotta cut that carbon") 3. Lost me here, this is a HEART-BREAKER! Refused to sign Pro-life pledge and a LAME..LAME...excuse!
Now , I gotta start packing, saving $ and plan on a long trip to New Hampshire..and make phone calls, and lick envelopes. CRUCIAL...LIFE, Liberty, and Happiness (persuit of property)
Tom| 6.18.11 @ 7:30PM
A RINO is a RINO is a RINO is a RINOis a RINO.........
bluecollarbytes| 6.18.11 @ 8:05PM
Romney just doesn't have that great a problem with where we're headed or where we're already at in the govt/citizen relationship. He just wants to make it 'better', in a more compassionate- vote dividing scheme.
Obamascare is fine as long as it's the states forcing citizens to buy. Planned Parenthood is allowed to continue its charade by weenie-spined politicians.
Man-made Global Warming may be true, or not, but let's 'insure' against it, just in case. I'm guessing that Romney would even have a problem with ending govt-sanctioned "art".
From what I see, Romney is a fine man, just not the one who can start opposing the left in the way we need if we are EVER to slow down the good ship USA prior to turning it around.
mzk| 6.19.11 @ 8:20AM
Sorry, I just read the pledge and I think it IS too specific, and I as pro-like as you can get, danger to the mother's life excepted.
I am sick of this anti-Mormon bigotry. They are probably the most moral religious group in the U.S. Did it occur to you that maybe the religious issue is that he takes PLEDGES very seriously? There's a reason the Constitution allows the president to affirm. As a Jew, I appreaciate it.
mzk| 6.19.11 @ 8:21AM
P.S. Why do people keep on tying Sanger to abortion? IIRC, she was anti-abortion. The only things they both have in common is Planned Parenthood, and that both are evil.
Occam's Tool| 6.20.11 @ 12:22AM
Maggie Sanger, in her own words:
"It is said that a fish as large as a man has a brain no larger than the kernel of an almond. In all fish and reptiles where there is no great brain development, there is also no conscious sexual control. The lower down in the scale of human development we go the less sexual control we find. It is said that the aboriginal Australian, the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development, has so little sexual control that police authority alone prevents him from obtaining sexual satisfaction on the streets.[19]"
No racist, she. (Giggle)
Nick| 6.20.11 @ 2:51AM
mzk,
Yes, Sanger was against abortion. She prefered one evil, contraception, over another, abortion. She even believed it was the taking of life. Although, in 1920, she didn't seem to emphasize it that much.
Sanger also wrote this: "In plain, everyday language, in an abortion there is always a very serious risk to the health and often to the life of the patient." She sounds like Jerry Falwell (in this instance, at least.)
How ironic it is that the racist eugenicist, who founded Planned Parenthood, was against abortion, since PP uses both contraception and abortion to carry out her eugenic dream.
Teflon93| 6.19.11 @ 12:10PM
Read her own words on the subject:
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
Real peach you've got there.
Eisenhower| 6.19.11 @ 2:38PM
In the words of Rush Limbaugh: "bye, bye nomination."
Louis Tully| 6.19.11 @ 6:59PM
No shocker from Mitt. He has no core beliefs. Wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances.
Surprised about Cain, and his explanation is extremely lame. Just crossed him off my list.
elliesue| 6.19.11 @ 11:42PM
Aside from providing the obvious opening for opponents...the Romney refusal raises the concern a President Romney would be appointing Supreme Court nominees in the mold of George H.W. Bush appointee David Souter -- the latter who famously was presented as a conservative and became a dependable liberal Court vote the moment he was seated. Souter, it should be noted, was from New Hampshire -- where Romney is concentrating his efforts.
Jeffrey, what kind of propoganda is this??? Change G. H. W. Bush to President Reagan and change David Souter to Sandra Day O'Connor and then tell me if you would have still written those words.
I believe I have figured out whats going on with these editorial posts at AmSpec and HotAir with Allapundit - Write something really atrocious about Romney or Sarah Palin and get all the left wing nuts to start with their comments - you can easily get the number up into the hundreds and you can claim you have huge numbers attracted to your posts. Jeffrey, one of me is worth more - I actually contributed $ to this website. That is, of course, because there are many really great articles from here. But throwing out - "Uh-oh." starts the ball rolling and then to add a little bit of history without context ensures a great number of comments. I have totally wasted my time with this, I'm not a fool.
weddingdresses| 6.20.11 @ 2:30AM
No shocker from Mitt. He has no core beliefs. Wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances.
Surprised about Cain, and his explanation is extremely lame. Just crossed him off my list.
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