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Tim Pawlenty should have either stuck by his attack on Romney or not attacked in the first place.
I see newly declared candidate Michele Bachmann as primarily a threat to Pawlenty, by making it harder for him to establish himself as the conservative alternative to Romney, and Ron Paul, by eating into the kinds of mainstream conservatives who might consider a vote for Paul.
Newt Gingrich was good, but perhaps not good enough.
Herman Cain was less good, but I don’t think bad enough to have any lasting impact.
Mitt Romney turned in a fine frontrunner performance.
The Paul campaign was the most active on the ICYMI/oppo research front during the debate.
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Chuck| 6.14.11 @ 12:29AM
Just a plain simple warning. If Romney wins the nomination the Tea Party will cease to exist. A Romney victory in the general election will destroy what's left of the Republican Party in the years ahead. The Stupid Party has done it again and this time there will be no pardon from no governor. Emigrate to Canada!
Ryan| 6.14.11 @ 8:49AM
Really? How?
Tom Davis| 6.14.11 @ 12:47AM
Ron Paul was in first place on CNN poll by 30% @ 44%. Funny they never posted it.
Jimstenson| 6.14.11 @ 1:12AM
Ever notice how Paul does so good in those on-line polls and not good at all in any real poll? His fans flood on-line polls with fake votes. Everyone ignores them because it's so obviously fake.
Ryan| 6.14.11 @ 8:50AM
Truth there. Romney does similar.
Occam's Tool| 6.14.11 @ 1:08AM
Ron Paul's supporters stuff ballots. He will be creamed in Iowa and NH.
victor| 6.14.11 @ 3:00AM
Iowa?
Isn't that where Creamed Corn comes from?
Warrior | 6.14.11 @ 12:19PM
Unfortunately the AS seems to have found their RINO's to support in big government Mitt and Cap n Trade Tim. Ron Paul was the only one who could articulate a Constitutional position and produce a voting record that didn't betray his words. I'm not arguing as to electability, just to what happened on the stage last night.
Bachmann and Cain were the only other candidates on the stage with any semblence of credibility. Unfortunately for them, the only advantage in being a woman or of color resides in the liberal world. As you can see, even the AS as part of the so called conservative media marginalizes them while attempting to prop up their favorite liberal/moderate big "R"epublicans Romney and Pawlenty.
dshgfd | 6.14.11 @ 1:23AM
yeah , know this.
Bob Grant| 6.14.11 @ 8:56AM
This was a missed opportunity for Romney as he failed to establish a plausible argument that Romneycare=Good, Obamacare=Bad.
He also failed to clarify his position on Cap and Trade.
somnolence| 6.14.11 @ 9:28AM
Santorum won the debate, with Bachmann a very close second. To be fair, she had her hand in the air at least 6 times and the moderators ignored her. Santorum was very quick on his feet and in his responses. Romney only did tolerably well for a "front-runner." Does anyone alive really doubt that if Sarah had been there she would have stolen all the thunder?
Bob Grant| 6.14.11 @ 9:43AM
She might have stolen the thunder but wouldn't have changed minds which should be her number one priority.
somnolence| 6.14.11 @ 9:47AM
You seem too quick and self-assured about that, Bob. If she stole the thunder she would indeed have changed countless minds. Come up with a better analysis.
Bob Grant| 6.14.11 @ 9:55AM
Hey, don't take my word for it. Take John Ziegler's or the other ever-increasing former Sarah Palin supporters who believe she's unelectable.
It's not some gigantic conspiracy, it's the fact that she's not used her time well since being introduced to the county in '08.
Poor choices, poor temperament, poor leadership abilities (as displayed by staffing choices - please read John Ziegler's piece)
Does this help?
W| 6.14.11 @ 10:38AM
Santorum is the most intelligent, principled conservative, but he does not seem to connect yet with the public. He seems too intense or "too hot" for a medium like TV. Ron Paul is wasting everyone's time. Pawlenty, Bachman, and Romney are all good. Newt is entertaining. Cain has potential, and is already better than obama/biden combined.
Red Phillips | 6.14.11 @ 9:18PM
"Ron Paul is wasting everyone's time."
By talking about following the Constitution?
Michael L. Hauschild| 6.14.11 @ 10:49AM
"Media Malpractice: How Obama Got Elected and Palin Was Targeted,” - Mr. Ziegler should reread his own book. And really Bob, the very thing you worry about, media pundits such as Ziegler, have been OWNED by Mrs. Palin, and those “bad” staffing choices both drive buses and drive the media crazy.
Poor temperament? She is always cheerful and for good reason. The media follows her around like the crack addict whores they are, her so called rivals (the milquetoast debate society) is so pathetic they even scare themselves, and the stage is set. The media will try to determine the candidates like they did last time, the fool pool they have as victims is established and shivering in the cattle chute wondering what that muffled thump is happening at the front of the line, and Ms. Palin is (as you allude) is sorting out the wheat and the chaff while biding her time. No Ziegler style, back stabbing McCainiacks this time Bob, she is the boss lady, not the prop.
Bob Grant| 6.14.11 @ 11:29AM
A good staff is much more than being good at "driving the media crazy". If that' s their end goal then need I say more.
Temperament is much more than having "good cheer".
Face it, the campaign has passed her by.
Michael L. Hauschild| 6.14.11 @ 12:37PM
"Face it, the campaign has passed her by."
If you look in the Dictionary Under the term delusional there will be a picture of Bob Grant. The "campaign" has not ever started yet; when she advocates someone, or enters herself, not only will it start, it will end at the very same instant.. Send me some of what you are smoking.
Mike| 6.14.11 @ 10:50AM
Bachmann puts the conservative agenda forward in an unambiguous, unvarnished way. Perhaps that is what makes too many conservatives nervous.
Bob Grant| 6.14.11 @ 11:32AM
Bachmann was very impressive. She seems to improve the more she's on the national stage.
I love Cain to death and is my personal favorite (I want nothing more than see him do well) but he's not cutting it. He has zero room for error now.
Robbie| 6.14.11 @ 11:04AM
What is the case for Pawlenty? Lots of people seem to think he'll be the nominee, but he was a dud once again. He performance last month wasn't good either. I think this guy is going to fade and never really be a factor.
somnolence| 6.14.11 @ 11:45AM
John Ziegler is sour grapes personified, which is strange, since he is a newcomer to the national spotlight. In other words, atypically, it is Washington beltway insiders who always lunge with a vengeance whenever they feel slighted or dismissed by a former boss, etc. Since Ziegler really isn't a Washington insider, let's just be charitable and not say he's been claimed by sour grapes, but is just woefully insensitive, and feels abandoned since Mama Bear left him in the woods. Those who rely on the Zieglers, George Wills, or Peggy Noonans of this world need to broaden their horizons.
Mike Rogers| 6.15.11 @ 9:37AM
The biggest loser in the debate was CNN's credibility, followed closely by the Union Leader for being part of such a flawed event.
Romney handled himself very well, and took no direct hits.
Bachmann's announcement was a bit tacky, but a good attention-grabber.
Cain was self-limiting - he was the only one who stuck to the ridiculous time limits, and thus never got on a roll.
Paul was, as always, correct but unelectable.
Newt had some good moments.
Santorum is the quiet man, but he is thoroughly conservative, would be a decent president, and an excellent veep.
Pawlenty's refusal to stand up for his excellent zinger "ObamneyCare" made him look shifty.
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