During his Senate campaign, Rand Paul walked a careful line on
foreign policy: he shared his father's basic skepticism of
interventionism but tried to be much more respectful of the
majority viewpoint within the Republican Party. Sometimes that led
him to state his positions differently from his father; sometimes
it led him to take different positions than his father.
So it was interesting to read the Kentucky senator's statement
on President Obama's Middle East speech. As expected, Paul slammed
Obama's liberal interventionism: "Our mistakes in foreign policy
have always been from hubris. We somehow believe that we can
dictate the policies of the world, and enforce them with our
military and economic strength. While this might sound like a good
idea to many, it has its limits and its consequences." Yet even in
opposing the Libya war, Paul took a pro-Israel line: "For example,
instead of seeking proper authority from Congress and the
Constitution to go to war with Libya, President Obama empowered the
United Nations and the Arab League, two bodies that together
endanger the security and sovereignty of our ally Israel."
Senator Paul continued his criticism of Obama's stance on
Israel:
It is the United Nations who is threatening to impose a
Palestinian state without a guarantee of safety for Israel. It is
members of the Arab League who foment hostilities or refuse to
recognize the right to safety and security of Israel.
But far worse than that, today it was an American President who
stood before the world and once again demanded Israel act against
her own strategic interest in the name of a false peace.
Peace from weakness or peace from outside coercion of Israel is
a fool's errand. Unfortunately, the President today proved himself
willing to play that fool.
Israel and her enemies have fought wars for the better part of
the past 60 years. And terror-supporting countries in the region
have spent the better part of those years feigning interest in
peace while lobbing rockets across borders.
For President Obama to stand up today and insist that Israel
should once again give up land, security and sovereignty for the
possibility of peace shows an arrogance that is unmatched even in
our rich history of foreign policy.
Paul then concludes on a noninterventionist note:
I agree with the President. This is in fact a moment of
opportunity. It is time to seize control of our foreign policy from
those who have spent the past decade policing the world, trying in
vain to build nations after destroying them, and bankrupting our
children and grandchildren in the process.
This opportunity will pass us by if we simply repeat the same
mistakes, over again.
UPDATE: Ron Paul's statement
is strikingly similar, with some twists (the elder Paul is tougher
in his antiwar language and hints he thinks it might be in Israel's
long-term interests to voluntarily make concessions).
If Ron adopted his son's foreign policy, he might be a viable
candidate.
jomo2009| 5.20.11 @ 4:09PM
Rand Paul, Neo-Conservative.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 5:38PM
Yeah Neo-Con Neo-Chickenhawks.
Our United States Troopers are Not to be used , as Cannon Fodder to
Force Feed "Democracy" around The Globe & Big Government should
Not Force Confiscate Our American Taxpayer Money And Hand It Over
To Foreign Parasite Leaches.
"Paul then concludes on a noninterventionist note:
I agree with the President. This is in fact a moment of
opportunity. It is time to seize control of our foreign policy from
those who have spent the past decade policing the world, trying in
vain to build nations after destroying them, and bankrupting our
children and grandchildren in the process.
This opportunity will pass us by if we simply repeat the same
mistakes, over again."
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:15PM
For example:
"On January 9, Ron Paul addressed Congress to voice his
opposition to a House resolution expressing strong support for
Israel in its invasion of Gaza, and branding Hamas as a terrorist
organization. Ron Paul called for American neutrality in conflicts
that have nothing to do with the United States."
The source for this? RonPaul.com.
Clint, you are a despicable, lying, child murder supporting
maggot.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 6:58PM
Duuuhhhhhh ! Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Israel Firster Fanatic Tool
Job.
I was talkin' about Dr.Rand Paul , Not Dr.Ron Paul.
Apparently, You Don't Grasp That.
Sooooo, What's Your Beef Now, With Dr. Rand Paul's Statement
Neo-Chickenhawk Chickenshit Tool Job ?
Hmmmmmm, ChickenShit Neo-Chickenhawk Tool Job ?
You're Up Asshat
Bruno| 5.20.11 @ 7:55PM
Clint is nothing an Obama butt boy trying to stir up trouble. I
like butt boys. Ron Paul is my favorite butt boy. He will actually
meet you at a hotel if you say you want to talk about Austrian
economics. Clint is diseased so this would be a bad idea. Time for
bed Timmy. Give your Adolf doll a big hug and then off to bed.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 8:14PM
You're A Slandering Liar Bruiso
You talk like You're A Bawney Fwank Wannabe Low Hangin' Fruit
Grabber.
Bruno| 5.20.11 @ 11:05PM
I am Austrian you sissy boy. If you weren't so diseased you
could be very popular in prison.
NoBama| 5.20.11 @ 11:22PM
That you, Arnold?
Bruno| 5.20.11 @ 11:46PM
No. I am Bruno and I love Ron Paul.
Clint| 5.21.11 @ 3:59AM
Get Bent Blowso.
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:24PM
I didn't disagree with Rand's comment. he's not running for
president. Ron is. And he, like you, Clint, sucks.
You are the Ron Paul supporter. You see, I actually read your
posts.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:10AM
Aaaans YouAre A Traitor Bastard Obsessed Israel Firster Fanatic
Tool Job.
You know all about sucking, because You suck on Bibi's
meatpole.
United States National Interests trump both Palestinian &
Israeli National Interests.
NoBama| 5.22.11 @ 10:30AM
Oh, c'mon. Beyond disgusting.
Rob| 5.22.11 @ 1:56PM
Clint, you are an idiot. Israel will not give up an inch of land
unless it has assurances it can defend itself. It certainly will
not go back to '67. I don't what snivelling anti-semites like you
say.
Clint| 5.23.11 @ 4:19AM
Rob, You're a Bufffoon.
Our American Taxpayer Money shouldn't Br Force Confiscated by
Big Government & handed over to The Palestinian & Israeli
Parasite Leaches for their Foreigner Food Fight.
Let those Foreign Bastards settle their Own Food Fight.
Wake The Hell Up.
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Carpe Diem.
simon templar| 5.20.11 @ 4:19PM
This aint gonna sit right with dem ron paulabots...fuses are
gonna blow, shots and sparks are gonna start flying. Look out!
Rand Paul's statement makes perfect sense. Anyone who believes
that Israel giving up land for peace is a fool. If they gave
everything but one square mile of arid desert, the arab's would
remain on the war path until total annihilation has been
accomplished. It is time to stop policing the world. Obama and the
US has no right to tell Israel what they as a sovereign nation
should or shouldn't do. Obama and his duplicity was willing to
conduct military operations to protect the Sharia/terrorist aligned
"citizens" of Libya yet he wouldn't lift a finger to stop a rocket
being launched or a suicide bomber from hitting a civilian
marketplace within the borders of Israel.
This is another Obama head fake. While everyone is crying out of
for Middle East peace and foreign policy, the economy is tanking,
unemployment is rising, the dollar is sinking and we are still
militarily engaged in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen. Obama is
still trying to backdoor cap and trade and amnesty for illegals,
etc.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:10PM
Thank you, Warrior. Unfortunately, Ron Paul doesn't agree with
you.
simon templar| 5.20.11 @ 8:06PM
I agree.
Sean| 5.20.11 @ 4:38PM
Both Pauls have always said that Israel should do whats in its
best interest. They always criticize a President that tries to
interfere in other countries business so this isn't anything
new.
simon templar| 5.20.11 @ 4:42PM
That may be the case, however, they need to send out the memo to
their supporters who would just as soon as see Israel driven into
the sea, weep all day about the poor Palestinians, and will not
even recognize Israel as an ally.
The Paul supporters I know believe that Israel is a free and
sovereign nation and should be allowed to defend it's interests as
such. There may be a few crazies out there, but is it really
productive to paint everyone with such a broad brush?
NoBama| 5.20.11 @ 5:03PM
There are more than a few anti-Israel crazies out there,
Warrior, and unfortunately they're vicious.
Perhaps if the good guys among you would shout them down once in
a while we would be more trusting of your message. We have a lot in
common and we need to pool our intellectual resources to fight
Obama and the anti-American Democrats/Progressives/Leftists.
I like Rand Paul and his statement fills me with relief.
It's not my message and it's not my position to shout someone
down. There is no law in this nation that prevents someone from
being an imbecile. However, we agree, and I've said previously, all
Conservatives (there are many with Liberarian views) need to find a
mutually supportable candidate and hopefully start the return to a
Constitutional government.
NoBama| 5.20.11 @ 5:59PM
That's fine, but unfortunately misunderstandings will persist.
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between those who merely
oppose our rampant interventionism and those who have a virulent
hatred for Israel.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:06PM
Unfortunately, Warrior, one of the crazies IS Ron. His voting
record runs down to the point where he voted against the resolution
congratulating Israel on its 62nd B-day---a resolution with no
money attached. Not necessarily so with his son. But I do like your
comments, very much.
But most Paul supporters I have read agree more with Clint than
you.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 7:05PM
Like Many of We Tea Party Patriots, Dr. Ron Paul Wants The U.S.
& Our Big Government American Taxpayer Confiscated Money To
Stay Out Of Their Foreigner Food Fights.
Dr. Ron Paul:
“I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign
policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her
enemies. Most Americans know that makes no sense.
“We need to come to our senses, trade with our friends in the
Middle East (both Arab and Israeli), clean up our own economic mess
so we set a good example, and allow them to work out their own
conflicts.”
I think like most things in this country, the vocal minority
seem to gather more of an audience than the quiet majority.
simon templar| 5.20.11 @ 8:08PM
Perhaps not, but Clint has too much influence on me. All I hear
is the rants of the big L's out here.
Smirking Weasel| 5.20.11 @ 5:06PM
They've also been clear-if you bother to listen-that Israel's
problems, and all foreign countries, are their own and that solving
those problems, including guaranteeing the continued existence of
Israel, are solely Israel's to deal with.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:07PM
No, SW, Ron has come out against Israeli self defense many, many
times.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:04PM
Ron has criticized Israel's self defense in the past. So has
Clint. Rand has been less anti-Israel than Ron, who has been
dreadful.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 7:15PM
Like Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Dr. Ron Paul, I & Many Other
Tea Party Patriots Criticize Big Government Force Confiscating Our
American Taxpayer Money To spend on Foreigner Food Fights.
I Also Criticize The IDF Deliberately Attacking Our U.S. Naval
Ship, The U.S.S. Liberty & Killing 34 crew members (naval
officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew
members.
You Gotta Problem With Thaat Israel Firster Fanatic Tool Job ?
Hmmmmm Neo-Chickenhawk Chickenshit Israel Firster AgendaGirl
Tool Job ?
C Bowen| 5.20.11 @ 7:35PM
Occam,
Paul (and for that matter Pat Buchanan) defended Israel's
bombing of Iraq in the early 80s. Sovereignty of course is a
foreign concept to you as you put another nation ahead of your own,
but try to grasp the concept.
It was no less than Bibi and the neocons who wrote A Clean Break
in 1996 which advocated ending US aid to Israel. So you are on the
Left, with Obama, in advocating continued aid.
Of course, you don't really care about this issue, so what is
the point?
Bruno| 5.20.11 @ 8:09PM
Clint's little buddy C Bowen chimes in with his brilliant
points. He read a book once and knows it all. Great trading nations
will have to extend power. This was learned fairly early in our
country's history. Pathetically poor agrarian states like paleo
cons dream about will be used by powerful states. These past and
future Obama supporters shouldn't be paid any attention. Pat
Buchanan should stick to his revisionist World War II
fantasies.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 8:22PM
Obviously, Bruiso doesn't know me.
I'll match my Registerd Republican Conservative & Tea Party
Record against Blowso's anyday.
Aaand U.S. National Interests Trump Palestinian National Interests
& Israeli Nation Interests.
Get Bent Candy Ass.
Bruno| 5.20.11 @ 11:07PM
There is what you say and what you do. Make sure your partners
always where protection, liebschen.
Clint| 5.21.11 @ 4:01AM
Then there's Blowso.
Make sure your goat always wears protection, Sand Monkey.
Bruno| 5.21.11 @ 10:16AM
Sand Monkey? Apparently your last boy friend was of Middle
Eastern descent. You're not doing much good here Timmie. You're the
Jack Davis of the American Spectator web site but your divide and
conquer approach is not working so well. In the end Obama is
waiting for your protest vote. I hope he wears protection.
Clint| 5.21.11 @ 2:21PM
You're The Jack Ass of The American Spectator Web Site. &
Your Name Says It All Blowso.
Your Goat "Billy" Will Exercise His Franchise In Your Booth,
Blowso.He likes To Ride You Bareback,Sweaty Thing.
Bruno| 5.21.11 @ 11:46PM
Jack, you're the man. Nobody is buying though.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:11AM
And, You're Jack Squat.
Say Hi to Little Nicky from Detroit Asshat.
C Bowen| 5.21.11 @ 4:57PM
Bruno,
You support Obama's policy in the aggregate and are only
pretending that there is some great chasm.
You are clearly smart enough to understand the real enemy is
people who put America first, not last, or even second, just
first.
Or maybe you are a fool, and just a dupe to foreign influence
and intrigue at the centers of power.
Bruno| 5.21.11 @ 11:59PM
Aw shucks. You're just saying that. Dupe, fool or agree with
bowen. Wow, what a choice. I am on the foreign pay roll and nobody
even told me. It is a giant conspiracy. American Protestants, Jews,
Catholics and secular types all selling out to Israel. Your stupid
model broke down a while back. I think when you spoke of fools and
dupes you were thinking of yourself. Stop hanging out with obvious
anti-Semites. That kind of hate rots the brain. Give Timmie a big
kiss for me.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:18AM
These Traitor Bastards attempt to Play The Anti-Semite Card over
& over to stop Real American Conservative Patriots from daring
to stand up to their Israel Firster Agenda.
We ain't votin' for Your Prime Minister or Your Knesset over
here in The United States.
The Tea Party Escalates.
Carpe Diem.
Bruno| 5.22.11 @ 11:54AM
Stop making anti-Semitic statements and you won't have the
problem. As you intend, you create reaction. The reaction you
create is intended to be good for the Democratic Party. You're not
very good at it though. One way or the other you are just an Obama
butt boy. I hope he is wearing protection. You're swinging wildly,
Timmie.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 9:22AM
You're A Slandering Liar Israel Firster Smear Merchant
Blowso.
Say Hi To Little Nicky From Detroit.
Bruno| 5.22.11 @ 12:00PM
I am convinced that Timmie invented the tooth brush. Otherwise
it would have been called the teeth brush. Never fear Timmie. It is
what O loves about you most.
C Bowen| 5.22.11 @ 7:37PM
Bruno,
Trust me, we get it. Smart guys like you are willing to ally
yourself with traitors to advance your cause--doesn't take much
reasoning you either have a government job, or work for
UT/Lockheed/Boeing/Hallibutron/ or fill in the blank contractor--I
assume one I have never heard of.
I get it. Frankly, I respect that point of view. I am sure you
have kids to take care of, or rather have to pay an ex-wife after
the lawyers jobbed you--I understand that.
Nevertheless, that is no basis for a foreign policy--where a
small nation captures a faction of the electorate--I'd certainly
take the Realists of the Bush I crowd over such an arrangement of
convenience, being a good Republican that I am.
That you bother to post on an anon-forum, makes me think your
side is starting to have trouble sleeping at night.
And hence, I'll sleep better.
Bruno| 5.22.11 @ 8:25PM
The conspiracy grows. You're a kook bowen. Only bigotry could
explain your willingness to think badly of the 63% of your fellow
citizens who have sympathy towards Israel. By the way that makes
you part of a faction. I sleep well n0w but a C Bowen backed
government would keep me up at night. I don't trust those who make
suicide pacts. Give Timmie a big wet kiss.
C Bowen| 5.23.11 @ 6:11PM
At last-- that is the whole point, Bruno. Glad it hit home.
You'll vote Obama or RINO, because you know who the real threat
is; hence you and your type over due your dislike for Obama. It's
just pretend--we get it.
Clint| 5.23.11 @ 4:23AM
Blowso is A RINO-CINO Serial Israel Firster Propaganda Bozo.
Say Hi ti Little Nicky from Detroit.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 6:07PM
These Two Pauls' Statements challenge the ongoing deliberate
Smear Campaign against Our Tea Party Senator Dr.Rand Paul & Our
Tea Party Co-Favorite Dr. Ron Paul by American Spectator's Resident
Israel Firster Fanatics.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:12PM
No, it's Rand who has been supportive. For example, Clint, you
wish to see Israel destroyed, and oppose its efforts to defend
itself. Ron rapidly opposed the Gaza incursion.
It would help if you would stop lying, and not use Yiddishisms,
either.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 7:19PM
Nooooo, Neo-Chickenhawk Chickenshit Israel Firster Fanatic Tool
Job, United States National Interests Trump Both The Palestinians'
And Israel's National Interests.
You're A Slandering Liar Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Fanatic Tool
Job.
Wanna Make Somethin' Of It Girl ?
Hmmmm Traitor Bastard Puke ?
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:34PM
Threatening me with vioooolence, my dear brain damaged one?
Clint| 5.23.11 @ 4:26AM
It's a Moot Point Anyhow Neo-Chickenhawk Israel Firster Coward
Short, Fat Dude, Tool Job.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:24AM
I oppose Israel using Spies like Ben Ami Kadish, who had the
same handler out of The New York City Consulate,as Jonathan
Pollard. I oppose Israel Illegally selling United States Weapons
Technology To The Red Chinese, jeopardizing Our Allies Taiwan &
Japan, I oppose The Israeli Company Checkpoint Systems tyring to
carry off The Sourcefire Deal & support C.F.I.U.S. giving them
the same treatment that they gave Dubai Ports.
Aaaand, You don't tell me what to do or say Traitor Bastard Israel
Firster Fanatic Tool Job.
Wanna make somethin' of it Traitor Bastard Neo-Chickenhawk
Coward,Tool Job ?
Hmmmm AgendaGirl ?
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:17PM
Clint, you're the guy who routinely uses the term "sandmonkeys"
in discussing Jews. Why should I believe anything you say with your
lying, terrorist embracing mouth?
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 7:25PM
You're A World Class Asshat , Fixated Obsessed Neo-Chickenhawk
Coward Israel Firster Tool Job
Learn Where The Term Comes From, Who Has Used It & Who It
Refers Too.
Hint: Real Warriors From A Real Democracy.
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:33PM
Clint, does being you hurt a lot? Growing up, constantly
"chocolate swirlied" in school, girls laughing at you and calling
you smooth while pointing at your crotch, and the pain when you
first became a catamite.
In addition to knowing that whatever you did, your dad would
think you were a brain damaged craphead.
What ever you do, Clint, keep your head held up high.
US soldiers do not refer to Israeli ones as "Sandmonkeys, "
dumbass.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:31AM
What would A Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Traitor Bastard Israel
Firster Obsessed Fanatic like You, Tool Job, know about Real
American Combat Warriors.
Join The IDF, if You're such An Israel Firster Toughie Girl,
Israel Firster "Woo Girl" Tool Job.
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:36PM
Yup, I'm world class all right. But you used sandmonkeys to
refer to Jews, in this blog, my over steroided (and subsequently
microgenitaled) fiend.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:38AM
Actually, I Don't Gym Train on "Roids" , Slandering Liar
Neo-Chickenhawk Obsessed Israel Firster Coward, Tool Job.
You're A World Class Asshat.
Aaaand, You're The Mother of All American Spectator's Israel
Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Traitor Bastards, Tool Job.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:09PM
No, Ron has not---he has criticized Israeli self defense on more
than one occasion, and votes with Kucinich on all matters related
to Israel. Rand may be better, and this statement was encouraging.
Unfortunately, he's NOT the Paul running for President.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 7:28PM
Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha !
You're An Argument Against Yourself, Neo-Chickenhawk Israel Firster
Fanatic Tool Job.
"Ron Paul called for American neutrality in conflicts that have
nothing to do with the United States."
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:27PM
No, Ron Paul has severely criticized Israel's self defense moves
in the past---see his record on Gaza. If he was consistent, he
would have said--- "I want to stop foreign aid. What Israel does in
Gaza is their business."
But he didn't. He Cartered, instead.
I pay attention to men who endanger my children, like the
Archduke of Appeasement & the Prince of Galvestonian Pork.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:44AM
Just as Our tea Party Co-Favorite Dr.Ron Paul, Many of We Tea
Party Patriots want Big Government to stop Force Confiscating Our
Taxpayer Money & handing it over to All Those Parasite Leaches
in The Middle east
Aaand, Many of We Tea Party Patriots Want The United States To
Stay Out of Middle East Food Fights.
You Got A Problem with that Neo-Chickenhawk Obsessed Israel
Firster Coward Traitor Bastard, Tool Job ?
Hmmmm. Fanatic Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward, Tool Job
?
martin j smith| 5.20.11 @ 4:56PM
Bravo Rand Paul. Now will the LEFT WING SOUNDING ISOLATIONISTS
GET IT ?
SoCon| 5.20.11 @ 5:09PM
Thank you, Senator Paul!
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 5:41PM
Dr.Ron Paul:
“I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign
policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her
enemies. Most Americans know that makes no sense.
“We need to come to our senses, trade with our friends in the
Middle East (both Arab and Israeli), clean up our own economic mess
so we set a good example, and allow them to work out their own
conflicts.”
I have mixed feelings about this. This statement is technically
non-interventionist as he decries the US trying to dictate terms to
Israel as he should. But it is not neutral. It may be smart short
term politics, but it doesn't challenge the current atmosphere of
the debate which should be the long term non-interventionist goal.
It concedes too much to the current excessively Israel centric
climate. Like I said about Rand Paul's hair splitting statement
during the canpaign, this does not "avoid the appearance of
pandering."
What would be more clear and more helpful long term is an
unequivical statement that the President of the United States
shouldn't have anything to say about the Israel/Palestine conflict
one way or the other because it is none of our business.
NoBama| 5.20.11 @ 6:40PM
I believe the senator knows he must make statements like this if
he ever wants to be elected POTUS.
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:28PM
Red, if our oil supplies in the Middle East are nuked, is that
our business?
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:53AM
Bullcrap, Israel Firster Obsessed Fanatic PropagandaGirl Tool
Job.
We Tea Party Patriots support Drill Baby Drill, Our Own
Plentiful U.S. Oil, Natural Gas, Shale,as well as Mine Our Coal
& Build Our Nuke Plants.
"Amount of U.S. oil consumption that comes from the Middle East:
2 mbd -- 12 percent, only three percent from Iraq and Kuwait. The
rest of our imported oil comes from places like Canada, Venezuela,
Mexico, Nigeria, Algeria, Ecuador, and England."
OT, does Switzerland get oil from the Middle East also? What
about Cameroon? What about Moldova? (I could go on and on, but I
suspect you get the point.) Do they have troops in the Middle East?
Then why do we? Who annointed (burdened) the US the global
protector of oil?
martin j smith| 5.21.11 @ 8:12AM
There are some posters above who are hopeless and think we live
in our own bubblle in the universe.
Rand Paul sees certain truths: Obama's "foreign and National
Security policies are flawed in many ways including spending our
money on nations that basically are our enemies not to mention
money we do not have. Allowing another organization ( the UN ) to
run our foreign policy
and Obama dictatorial Presidency. In addition--one does not have to
be a neo con to believe that Israel is a good investment and to see
the absurdity of Obama's statement--even a cave man can do
that.
Clint| 5.21.11 @ 4:44PM
How Many Palestinians or Israeli Troops have been WIA or KIA
Fighting along side Our Fine American Warriors in Iraq &
Afghanistan?
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:30PM
They are not allowed by the US Government to fight with us,
Clint (see Gulf war I). But they take out plenty of Hezbollah/Hamas
scumbags who have killed Americans.
Go back to your ex-hooker girlfriend who specializes in
micropenis, Clint.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 9:00AM
That's Right Neo-Chickenhawk Obsessed Israel Firster Fanatic
Coward Traitor Bastard Tool Job.
No IDF Troops were WIA & KIA in Iraq & Afghanistan,
Fighting Along side Our American Combat Warriors.
Go back to Your Goat "Billy", Who specializes in Obsessed Israel
Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Traitor Bastards, like You, Tool
Job.
Intelligent Design| 5.21.11 @ 8:52PM
Suppose that North Korea had launched 8,000 rockets and mortars
against South Korea over the past five years. Would the U.S.
government urge South Korea to placate the North by giving it land
where 350,000 South Koreans currently live, including part of the
South Korean capital of Seoul? That would be absurd, right? Suppose
that China had launched 8,000 missiles against Taiwan over the past
five years. Would the U.S. government advise Taiwan to surrender
land to the Peoples Republic of China? Why does the U.S. government
continue to call upon Israel to give up its territory to the
Palestinians, who have launched thousands of rockets and mortars
against Israel over the past few years, and committed savage acts
of terrorism against Israeli civilians? The Palestinians, a term
which includes several terrorist organizations, overwhelmingly hate
Jews and want to destroy Israel. In contrast, about 1.5 million
Arabs (Muslims) currently live in peace and security in Israel. The
aggressors are the Muslim Palestinians, Hamas (which is the same as
the Muslim Brotherhood), and other terrorist groups. The Jews are
not the aggressors, and they have lived in the area since 1,000
years before Islam was invented. Why does the U.S. government think
for even a minute that Israel should appease Palestinians? Is the
United States afraid to anger the Muslims, or is the U.S.
government inherently anti-Semitic? Is Israel an ally of the United
States, or not?
asdf| 5.22.11 @ 8:38AM
This website has the fucking dumbest commentators I've ever
seen.
delmar Jackson| 5.22.11 @ 8:59AM
I sreal will eventually be transformed into an Arab state via
ceaseless immigration of unsassimilating people. Which is ironic,
as many American Jews are ceaseless promoters and cheerleaders of
3rd world immigration to America which will eventually transform
and end America as we now know it.
irish19| 5.23.11 @ 10:55AM
Not sure about your first point, but you've hit the nail on the
head with the second.
Jack Davis| 5.22.11 @ 9:07AM
Obama needs to address the following.
Full and unconditional diplomatic recognition of Israel
Full and unconditional recognition of Israel’s right to exist
within secure borders
Full cessation of all acts of war against Israel, including but
not limited to: full cessation of all economic boycotts and
embargoes against Israel; full cessation of military action against
Israel by independent states (Syria, Iran) AND their proxies:
Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade, ET. AL.
(that is, EVERY single proxy)
Netanyahu and Israel are right to say to Obama: NO DEALS until
the above basic requirements are met.
irish19| 5.23.11 @ 10:59AM
zero is in the midst of a re-election campaign. He needs the
support and funding of liberal Jews in this country to pull it off.
Therefore, he says nice things about Israel and appears to support
secure borders. If he gets back in, the tune will change.
Especially since he will no longer have to worry about
re-election.
TycheSD| 5.22.11 @ 1:00PM
Ron Paul's message is clearer and better than his son's. This is
always the case with these two. The father is better than the
son.
NoBama| 5.22.11 @ 4:22PM
The father will never be POTUS.
Clint| 5.23.11 @ 4:27AM
Israel Firsters Will Never Again Control The GOP.
Casey| 5.23.11 @ 1:31PM
You're delusional. Rand is the future and he sees the writing on
the wall.
Rand has a chance to be president, not his father.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 3:54PM
If Ron adopted his son's foreign policy, he might be a viable candidate.
jomo2009| 5.20.11 @ 4:09PM
Rand Paul, Neo-Conservative.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 5:38PM
Yeah Neo-Con Neo-Chickenhawks.
Our United States Troopers are Not to be used , as Cannon Fodder to Force Feed "Democracy" around The Globe & Big Government should Not Force Confiscate Our American Taxpayer Money And Hand It Over To Foreign Parasite Leaches.
"Paul then concludes on a noninterventionist note:
I agree with the President. This is in fact a moment of opportunity. It is time to seize control of our foreign policy from those who have spent the past decade policing the world, trying in vain to build nations after destroying them, and bankrupting our children and grandchildren in the process.
This opportunity will pass us by if we simply repeat the same mistakes, over again."
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:15PM
For example:
"On January 9, Ron Paul addressed Congress to voice his opposition to a House resolution expressing strong support for Israel in its invasion of Gaza, and branding Hamas as a terrorist organization. Ron Paul called for American neutrality in conflicts that have nothing to do with the United States."
The source for this? RonPaul.com.
Clint, you are a despicable, lying, child murder supporting maggot.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 6:58PM
Duuuhhhhhh ! Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Israel Firster Fanatic Tool Job.
I was talkin' about Dr.Rand Paul , Not Dr.Ron Paul.
Apparently, You Don't Grasp That.
Sooooo, What's Your Beef Now, With Dr. Rand Paul's Statement Neo-Chickenhawk Chickenshit Tool Job ?
Hmmmmmm, ChickenShit Neo-Chickenhawk Tool Job ?
You're Up Asshat
Bruno| 5.20.11 @ 7:55PM
Clint is nothing an Obama butt boy trying to stir up trouble. I like butt boys. Ron Paul is my favorite butt boy. He will actually meet you at a hotel if you say you want to talk about Austrian economics. Clint is diseased so this would be a bad idea. Time for bed Timmy. Give your Adolf doll a big hug and then off to bed.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 8:14PM
You're A Slandering Liar Bruiso
You talk like You're A Bawney Fwank Wannabe Low Hangin' Fruit Grabber.
Bruno| 5.20.11 @ 11:05PM
I am Austrian you sissy boy. If you weren't so diseased you could be very popular in prison.
NoBama| 5.20.11 @ 11:22PM
That you, Arnold?
Bruno| 5.20.11 @ 11:46PM
No. I am Bruno and I love Ron Paul.
Clint| 5.21.11 @ 3:59AM
Get Bent Blowso.
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:24PM
I didn't disagree with Rand's comment. he's not running for president. Ron is. And he, like you, Clint, sucks.
You are the Ron Paul supporter. You see, I actually read your posts.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:10AM
Aaaans YouAre A Traitor Bastard Obsessed Israel Firster Fanatic Tool Job.
You know all about sucking, because You suck on Bibi's meatpole.
United States National Interests trump both Palestinian & Israeli National Interests.
NoBama| 5.22.11 @ 10:30AM
Oh, c'mon. Beyond disgusting.
Rob| 5.22.11 @ 1:56PM
Clint, you are an idiot. Israel will not give up an inch of land unless it has assurances it can defend itself. It certainly will not go back to '67. I don't what snivelling anti-semites like you say.
Clint| 5.23.11 @ 4:19AM
Rob, You're a Bufffoon.
Our American Taxpayer Money shouldn't Br Force Confiscated by Big Government & handed over to The Palestinian & Israeli Parasite Leaches for their Foreigner Food Fight.
Let those Foreign Bastards settle their Own Food Fight.
Wake The Hell Up.
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Carpe Diem.
simon templar| 5.20.11 @ 4:19PM
This aint gonna sit right with dem ron paulabots...fuses are gonna blow, shots and sparks are gonna start flying. Look out!
Warrior| 5.20.11 @ 4:45PM
Rand Paul's statement makes perfect sense. Anyone who believes that Israel giving up land for peace is a fool. If they gave everything but one square mile of arid desert, the arab's would remain on the war path until total annihilation has been accomplished. It is time to stop policing the world. Obama and the US has no right to tell Israel what they as a sovereign nation should or shouldn't do. Obama and his duplicity was willing to conduct military operations to protect the Sharia/terrorist aligned "citizens" of Libya yet he wouldn't lift a finger to stop a rocket being launched or a suicide bomber from hitting a civilian marketplace within the borders of Israel.
This is another Obama head fake. While everyone is crying out of for Middle East peace and foreign policy, the economy is tanking, unemployment is rising, the dollar is sinking and we are still militarily engaged in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen. Obama is still trying to backdoor cap and trade and amnesty for illegals, etc.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:10PM
Thank you, Warrior. Unfortunately, Ron Paul doesn't agree with you.
simon templar| 5.20.11 @ 8:06PM
I agree.
Sean| 5.20.11 @ 4:38PM
Both Pauls have always said that Israel should do whats in its best interest. They always criticize a President that tries to interfere in other countries business so this isn't anything new.
simon templar| 5.20.11 @ 4:42PM
That may be the case, however, they need to send out the memo to their supporters who would just as soon as see Israel driven into the sea, weep all day about the poor Palestinians, and will not even recognize Israel as an ally.
Warrior| 5.20.11 @ 4:47PM
The Paul supporters I know believe that Israel is a free and sovereign nation and should be allowed to defend it's interests as such. There may be a few crazies out there, but is it really productive to paint everyone with such a broad brush?
NoBama| 5.20.11 @ 5:03PM
There are more than a few anti-Israel crazies out there, Warrior, and unfortunately they're vicious.
Perhaps if the good guys among you would shout them down once in a while we would be more trusting of your message. We have a lot in common and we need to pool our intellectual resources to fight Obama and the anti-American Democrats/Progressives/Leftists.
I like Rand Paul and his statement fills me with relief.
Warrior| 5.20.11 @ 5:51PM
It's not my message and it's not my position to shout someone down. There is no law in this nation that prevents someone from being an imbecile. However, we agree, and I've said previously, all Conservatives (there are many with Liberarian views) need to find a mutually supportable candidate and hopefully start the return to a Constitutional government.
NoBama| 5.20.11 @ 5:59PM
That's fine, but unfortunately misunderstandings will persist. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between those who merely oppose our rampant interventionism and those who have a virulent hatred for Israel.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:06PM
Unfortunately, Warrior, one of the crazies IS Ron. His voting record runs down to the point where he voted against the resolution congratulating Israel on its 62nd B-day---a resolution with no money attached. Not necessarily so with his son. But I do like your comments, very much.
But most Paul supporters I have read agree more with Clint than you.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 7:05PM
Like Many of We Tea Party Patriots, Dr. Ron Paul Wants The U.S. & Our Big Government American Taxpayer Confiscated Money To Stay Out Of Their Foreigner Food Fights.
Dr. Ron Paul:
“I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies. Most Americans know that makes no sense.
“We need to come to our senses, trade with our friends in the Middle East (both Arab and Israeli), clean up our own economic mess so we set a good example, and allow them to work out their own conflicts.”
Warrior| 5.20.11 @ 11:57PM
I think like most things in this country, the vocal minority seem to gather more of an audience than the quiet majority.
simon templar| 5.20.11 @ 8:08PM
Perhaps not, but Clint has too much influence on me. All I hear is the rants of the big L's out here.
Smirking Weasel| 5.20.11 @ 5:06PM
They've also been clear-if you bother to listen-that Israel's problems, and all foreign countries, are their own and that solving those problems, including guaranteeing the continued existence of Israel, are solely Israel's to deal with.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:07PM
No, SW, Ron has come out against Israeli self defense many, many times.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:04PM
Ron has criticized Israel's self defense in the past. So has Clint. Rand has been less anti-Israel than Ron, who has been dreadful.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 7:15PM
Like Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Dr. Ron Paul, I & Many Other Tea Party Patriots Criticize Big Government Force Confiscating Our American Taxpayer Money To spend on Foreigner Food Fights.
I Also Criticize The IDF Deliberately Attacking Our U.S. Naval Ship, The U.S.S. Liberty & Killing 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members.
You Gotta Problem With Thaat Israel Firster Fanatic Tool Job ?
Hmmmmm Neo-Chickenhawk Chickenshit Israel Firster AgendaGirl Tool Job ?
C Bowen| 5.20.11 @ 7:35PM
Occam,
Paul (and for that matter Pat Buchanan) defended Israel's bombing of Iraq in the early 80s. Sovereignty of course is a foreign concept to you as you put another nation ahead of your own, but try to grasp the concept.
It was no less than Bibi and the neocons who wrote A Clean Break in 1996 which advocated ending US aid to Israel. So you are on the Left, with Obama, in advocating continued aid.
Of course, you don't really care about this issue, so what is the point?
Bruno| 5.20.11 @ 8:09PM
Clint's little buddy C Bowen chimes in with his brilliant points. He read a book once and knows it all. Great trading nations will have to extend power. This was learned fairly early in our country's history. Pathetically poor agrarian states like paleo cons dream about will be used by powerful states. These past and future Obama supporters shouldn't be paid any attention. Pat Buchanan should stick to his revisionist World War II fantasies.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 8:22PM
Obviously, Bruiso doesn't know me.
I'll match my Registerd Republican Conservative & Tea Party Record against Blowso's anyday.
Aaand U.S. National Interests Trump Palestinian National Interests & Israeli Nation Interests.
Get Bent Candy Ass.
Bruno| 5.20.11 @ 11:07PM
There is what you say and what you do. Make sure your partners always where protection, liebschen.
Clint| 5.21.11 @ 4:01AM
Then there's Blowso.
Make sure your goat always wears protection, Sand Monkey.
Bruno| 5.21.11 @ 10:16AM
Sand Monkey? Apparently your last boy friend was of Middle Eastern descent. You're not doing much good here Timmie. You're the Jack Davis of the American Spectator web site but your divide and conquer approach is not working so well. In the end Obama is waiting for your protest vote. I hope he wears protection.
Clint| 5.21.11 @ 2:21PM
You're The Jack Ass of The American Spectator Web Site. & Your Name Says It All Blowso.
Your Goat "Billy" Will Exercise His Franchise In Your Booth, Blowso.He likes To Ride You Bareback,Sweaty Thing.
Bruno| 5.21.11 @ 11:46PM
Jack, you're the man. Nobody is buying though.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:11AM
And, You're Jack Squat.
Say Hi to Little Nicky from Detroit Asshat.
C Bowen| 5.21.11 @ 4:57PM
Bruno,
You support Obama's policy in the aggregate and are only pretending that there is some great chasm.
You are clearly smart enough to understand the real enemy is people who put America first, not last, or even second, just first.
Or maybe you are a fool, and just a dupe to foreign influence and intrigue at the centers of power.
Bruno| 5.21.11 @ 11:59PM
Aw shucks. You're just saying that. Dupe, fool or agree with bowen. Wow, what a choice. I am on the foreign pay roll and nobody even told me. It is a giant conspiracy. American Protestants, Jews, Catholics and secular types all selling out to Israel. Your stupid model broke down a while back. I think when you spoke of fools and dupes you were thinking of yourself. Stop hanging out with obvious anti-Semites. That kind of hate rots the brain. Give Timmie a big kiss for me.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:18AM
These Traitor Bastards attempt to Play The Anti-Semite Card over & over to stop Real American Conservative Patriots from daring to stand up to their Israel Firster Agenda.
We ain't votin' for Your Prime Minister or Your Knesset over here in The United States.
The Tea Party Escalates.
Carpe Diem.
Bruno| 5.22.11 @ 11:54AM
Stop making anti-Semitic statements and you won't have the problem. As you intend, you create reaction. The reaction you create is intended to be good for the Democratic Party. You're not very good at it though. One way or the other you are just an Obama butt boy. I hope he is wearing protection. You're swinging wildly, Timmie.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 9:22AM
You're A Slandering Liar Israel Firster Smear Merchant Blowso.
Say Hi To Little Nicky From Detroit.
Bruno| 5.22.11 @ 12:00PM
I am convinced that Timmie invented the tooth brush. Otherwise it would have been called the teeth brush. Never fear Timmie. It is what O loves about you most.
C Bowen| 5.22.11 @ 7:37PM
Bruno,
Trust me, we get it. Smart guys like you are willing to ally yourself with traitors to advance your cause--doesn't take much reasoning you either have a government job, or work for UT/Lockheed/Boeing/Hallibutron/ or fill in the blank contractor--I assume one I have never heard of.
I get it. Frankly, I respect that point of view. I am sure you have kids to take care of, or rather have to pay an ex-wife after the lawyers jobbed you--I understand that.
Nevertheless, that is no basis for a foreign policy--where a small nation captures a faction of the electorate--I'd certainly take the Realists of the Bush I crowd over such an arrangement of convenience, being a good Republican that I am.
That you bother to post on an anon-forum, makes me think your side is starting to have trouble sleeping at night.
And hence, I'll sleep better.
Bruno| 5.22.11 @ 8:25PM
The conspiracy grows. You're a kook bowen. Only bigotry could explain your willingness to think badly of the 63% of your fellow citizens who have sympathy towards Israel. By the way that makes you part of a faction. I sleep well n0w but a C Bowen backed government would keep me up at night. I don't trust those who make suicide pacts. Give Timmie a big wet kiss.
C Bowen| 5.23.11 @ 6:11PM
At last-- that is the whole point, Bruno. Glad it hit home.
You'll vote Obama or RINO, because you know who the real threat is; hence you and your type over due your dislike for Obama. It's just pretend--we get it.
Clint| 5.23.11 @ 4:23AM
Blowso is A RINO-CINO Serial Israel Firster Propaganda Bozo.
Say Hi ti Little Nicky from Detroit.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 6:07PM
These Two Pauls' Statements challenge the ongoing deliberate Smear Campaign against Our Tea Party Senator Dr.Rand Paul & Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Dr. Ron Paul by American Spectator's Resident Israel Firster Fanatics.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:12PM
No, it's Rand who has been supportive. For example, Clint, you wish to see Israel destroyed, and oppose its efforts to defend itself. Ron rapidly opposed the Gaza incursion.
It would help if you would stop lying, and not use Yiddishisms, either.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 7:19PM
Nooooo, Neo-Chickenhawk Chickenshit Israel Firster Fanatic Tool Job, United States National Interests Trump Both The Palestinians' And Israel's National Interests.
You're A Slandering Liar Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Fanatic Tool Job.
Wanna Make Somethin' Of It Girl ?
Hmmmm Traitor Bastard Puke ?
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:34PM
Threatening me with vioooolence, my dear brain damaged one?
Clint| 5.23.11 @ 4:26AM
It's a Moot Point Anyhow Neo-Chickenhawk Israel Firster Coward Short, Fat Dude, Tool Job.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:24AM
I oppose Israel using Spies like Ben Ami Kadish, who had the same handler out of The New York City Consulate,as Jonathan Pollard. I oppose Israel Illegally selling United States Weapons Technology To The Red Chinese, jeopardizing Our Allies Taiwan & Japan, I oppose The Israeli Company Checkpoint Systems tyring to carry off The Sourcefire Deal & support C.F.I.U.S. giving them the same treatment that they gave Dubai Ports.
Aaaand, You don't tell me what to do or say Traitor Bastard Israel Firster Fanatic Tool Job.
Wanna make somethin' of it Traitor Bastard Neo-Chickenhawk Coward,Tool Job ?
Hmmmm AgendaGirl ?
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:17PM
Clint, you're the guy who routinely uses the term "sandmonkeys" in discussing Jews. Why should I believe anything you say with your lying, terrorist embracing mouth?
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 7:25PM
You're A World Class Asshat , Fixated Obsessed Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Israel Firster Tool Job
Learn Where The Term Comes From, Who Has Used It & Who It Refers Too.
Hint: Real Warriors From A Real Democracy.
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:33PM
Clint, does being you hurt a lot? Growing up, constantly "chocolate swirlied" in school, girls laughing at you and calling you smooth while pointing at your crotch, and the pain when you first became a catamite.
In addition to knowing that whatever you did, your dad would think you were a brain damaged craphead.
What ever you do, Clint, keep your head held up high.
US soldiers do not refer to Israeli ones as "Sandmonkeys, " dumbass.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:31AM
What would A Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Traitor Bastard Israel Firster Obsessed Fanatic like You, Tool Job, know about Real American Combat Warriors.
Join The IDF, if You're such An Israel Firster Toughie Girl, Israel Firster "Woo Girl" Tool Job.
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:36PM
Yup, I'm world class all right. But you used sandmonkeys to refer to Jews, in this blog, my over steroided (and subsequently microgenitaled) fiend.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:38AM
Actually, I Don't Gym Train on "Roids" , Slandering Liar Neo-Chickenhawk Obsessed Israel Firster Coward, Tool Job.
You're A World Class Asshat.
Aaaand, You're The Mother of All American Spectator's Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Traitor Bastards, Tool Job.
Occam's Tool| 5.20.11 @ 6:09PM
No, Ron has not---he has criticized Israeli self defense on more than one occasion, and votes with Kucinich on all matters related to Israel. Rand may be better, and this statement was encouraging. Unfortunately, he's NOT the Paul running for President.
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 7:28PM
Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha !
You're An Argument Against Yourself, Neo-Chickenhawk Israel Firster Fanatic Tool Job.
"Ron Paul called for American neutrality in conflicts that have nothing to do with the United States."
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:27PM
No, Ron Paul has severely criticized Israel's self defense moves in the past---see his record on Gaza. If he was consistent, he would have said--- "I want to stop foreign aid. What Israel does in Gaza is their business."
But he didn't. He Cartered, instead.
I pay attention to men who endanger my children, like the Archduke of Appeasement & the Prince of Galvestonian Pork.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:44AM
Just as Our tea Party Co-Favorite Dr.Ron Paul, Many of We Tea Party Patriots want Big Government to stop Force Confiscating Our Taxpayer Money & handing it over to All Those Parasite Leaches in The Middle east
Aaand, Many of We Tea Party Patriots Want The United States To Stay Out of Middle East Food Fights.
You Got A Problem with that Neo-Chickenhawk Obsessed Israel Firster Coward Traitor Bastard, Tool Job ?
Hmmmm. Fanatic Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward, Tool Job ?
martin j smith| 5.20.11 @ 4:56PM
Bravo Rand Paul. Now will the LEFT WING SOUNDING ISOLATIONISTS GET IT ?
SoCon| 5.20.11 @ 5:09PM
Thank you, Senator Paul!
Clint| 5.20.11 @ 5:41PM
Dr.Ron Paul:
“I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies. Most Americans know that makes no sense.
“We need to come to our senses, trade with our friends in the Middle East (both Arab and Israeli), clean up our own economic mess so we set a good example, and allow them to work out their own conflicts.”
Red Phillips| 5.20.11 @ 5:52PM
I have mixed feelings about this. This statement is technically non-interventionist as he decries the US trying to dictate terms to Israel as he should. But it is not neutral. It may be smart short term politics, but it doesn't challenge the current atmosphere of the debate which should be the long term non-interventionist goal. It concedes too much to the current excessively Israel centric climate. Like I said about Rand Paul's hair splitting statement during the canpaign, this does not "avoid the appearance of pandering."
What would be more clear and more helpful long term is an unequivical statement that the President of the United States shouldn't have anything to say about the Israel/Palestine conflict one way or the other because it is none of our business.
NoBama| 5.20.11 @ 6:40PM
I believe the senator knows he must make statements like this if he ever wants to be elected POTUS.
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:28PM
Red, if our oil supplies in the Middle East are nuked, is that our business?
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 8:53AM
Bullcrap, Israel Firster Obsessed Fanatic PropagandaGirl Tool Job.
We Tea Party Patriots support Drill Baby Drill, Our Own Plentiful U.S. Oil, Natural Gas, Shale,as well as Mine Our Coal & Build Our Nuke Plants.
"Amount of U.S. oil consumption that comes from the Middle East: 2 mbd -- 12 percent, only three percent from Iraq and Kuwait. The rest of our imported oil comes from places like Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, Nigeria, Algeria, Ecuador, and England."
Red Phillips| 5.23.11 @ 12:32PM
OT, does Switzerland get oil from the Middle East also? What about Cameroon? What about Moldova? (I could go on and on, but I suspect you get the point.) Do they have troops in the Middle East? Then why do we? Who annointed (burdened) the US the global protector of oil?
martin j smith| 5.21.11 @ 8:12AM
There are some posters above who are hopeless and think we live in our own bubblle in the universe.
Rand Paul sees certain truths: Obama's "foreign and National Security policies are flawed in many ways including spending our money on nations that basically are our enemies not to mention money we do not have. Allowing another organization ( the UN ) to run our foreign policy
and Obama dictatorial Presidency. In addition--one does not have to be a neo con to believe that Israel is a good investment and to see the absurdity of Obama's statement--even a cave man can do that.
Clint| 5.21.11 @ 4:44PM
How Many Palestinians or Israeli Troops have been WIA or KIA Fighting along side Our Fine American Warriors in Iraq & Afghanistan?
Occam's Tool| 5.21.11 @ 6:30PM
They are not allowed by the US Government to fight with us, Clint (see Gulf war I). But they take out plenty of Hezbollah/Hamas scumbags who have killed Americans.
Go back to your ex-hooker girlfriend who specializes in micropenis, Clint.
Clint| 5.22.11 @ 9:00AM
That's Right Neo-Chickenhawk Obsessed Israel Firster Fanatic Coward Traitor Bastard Tool Job.
No IDF Troops were WIA & KIA in Iraq & Afghanistan, Fighting Along side Our American Combat Warriors.
Go back to Your Goat "Billy", Who specializes in Obsessed Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Traitor Bastards, like You, Tool Job.
Intelligent Design| 5.21.11 @ 8:52PM
Suppose that North Korea had launched 8,000 rockets and mortars against South Korea over the past five years. Would the U.S. government urge South Korea to placate the North by giving it land where 350,000 South Koreans currently live, including part of the South Korean capital of Seoul? That would be absurd, right? Suppose that China had launched 8,000 missiles against Taiwan over the past five years. Would the U.S. government advise Taiwan to surrender land to the Peoples Republic of China? Why does the U.S. government continue to call upon Israel to give up its territory to the Palestinians, who have launched thousands of rockets and mortars against Israel over the past few years, and committed savage acts of terrorism against Israeli civilians? The Palestinians, a term which includes several terrorist organizations, overwhelmingly hate Jews and want to destroy Israel. In contrast, about 1.5 million Arabs (Muslims) currently live in peace and security in Israel. The aggressors are the Muslim Palestinians, Hamas (which is the same as the Muslim Brotherhood), and other terrorist groups. The Jews are not the aggressors, and they have lived in the area since 1,000 years before Islam was invented. Why does the U.S. government think for even a minute that Israel should appease Palestinians? Is the United States afraid to anger the Muslims, or is the U.S. government inherently anti-Semitic? Is Israel an ally of the United States, or not?
asdf| 5.22.11 @ 8:38AM
This website has the fucking dumbest commentators I've ever seen.
delmar Jackson| 5.22.11 @ 8:59AM
I sreal will eventually be transformed into an Arab state via ceaseless immigration of unsassimilating people. Which is ironic, as many American Jews are ceaseless promoters and cheerleaders of 3rd world immigration to America which will eventually transform and end America as we now know it.
irish19| 5.23.11 @ 10:55AM
Not sure about your first point, but you've hit the nail on the head with the second.
Jack Davis| 5.22.11 @ 9:07AM
Obama needs to address the following.
Full and unconditional diplomatic recognition of Israel
Full and unconditional recognition of Israel’s right to exist within secure borders
Full cessation of all acts of war against Israel, including but not limited to: full cessation of all economic boycotts and embargoes against Israel; full cessation of military action against Israel by independent states (Syria, Iran) AND their proxies: Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade, ET. AL. (that is, EVERY single proxy)
Netanyahu and Israel are right to say to Obama: NO DEALS until the above basic requirements are met.
irish19| 5.23.11 @ 10:59AM
zero is in the midst of a re-election campaign. He needs the support and funding of liberal Jews in this country to pull it off. Therefore, he says nice things about Israel and appears to support secure borders. If he gets back in, the tune will change. Especially since he will no longer have to worry about re-election.
TycheSD| 5.22.11 @ 1:00PM
Ron Paul's message is clearer and better than his son's. This is always the case with these two. The father is better than the son.
NoBama| 5.22.11 @ 4:22PM
The father will never be POTUS.
Clint| 5.23.11 @ 4:27AM
Israel Firsters Will Never Again Control The GOP.
Casey| 5.23.11 @ 1:31PM
You're delusional. Rand is the future and he sees the writing on the wall.
Rand has a chance to be president, not his father.