Obviously, less than $40 billion in cuts is just a piece of
seaweed in the vast ocean of federal spending. Everyone can talk
about how big a single-year spending reduction this is, but
spending is now so high that what wouuld have been historic even a
decade ago is almost trivial now. That said, it may well have been
the best deal Republicans could have gotten from an Obama White
House and Reid-led Democratic Senate. Maybe more concessions could
have been extracted if there was a shutdown. Or maybe this allows
the Republicans to live again and fight another day.
RJ| 4.9.11 @ 2:00AM
In all seriousness, I would like someone to explain to me the logic that this may have been "the best deal the Republicans could have gotten." The government is not legally authorized to spend one penny more than what is authorized by the House of Representatives. Other than bad media coverage, what pressure can Obama and the Senate put on the House to spend more than they think is wise. Certainly the House ceiling represented much more money than we have.
It will take a few days for the legislation to be better understood, but my initial reaction, based on the last few days and the early description of this "deal" reconfirms my concerns that Speaker Boehner does not have the strength or commitment to get federal spending under control. Tonight looks like the GOP going in the tank again.
Chuck| 4.9.11 @ 2:56AM
It's business as usual, the Democratic Party screeches and the Republicans cave. When you bargain with devils you become a devil yourself. Subsidized abortion, NPR, EPA fully funded and regulations in place. The debt ceiling will be raised without a fight and the central bank's destruction of the dollar continues along with bailouts. The biggest loser is the Tea Party specifically deal searcher Michele Bachmann, her Presidential aspirations are gone now. The Tea Party was the last hope for political reform and that hope is gone too. God have mercy on us.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.9.11 @ 4:10AM
One thing you have to remember is that this is actually the Republicans cleaning up a Democratic non-existent budget.
I'm sure everyone would have liked to have observed bigger cuts but don't kid yourselves. This was a slap down on government spending.
It's never been done before and I think even the Republicans are nervous about the consequences although it's what they wanted.
Ironically, if Obama listens to the Republicans he could win another term and salvage his reputation because if he does he will see the uncertainty removed from the economy and that's what's holding it back.
In the meantime Paul Ryan's plan may survive virtually intact because the Democrats have no plans. Their view of government is adversarial, not only to the Republicans but to the public at large.
Over the summer the economy will improve somewhat. But unless drastic cuts are made in federal spending this fall could be one heck of a show in the markets.
Sean| 4.9.11 @ 4:28AM
We face financial Armageddon and the Republican leadership shows that it is spineless. I knew this would happen the day a bunch of neocons took the leadership positions. They do not care for spending cuts. Boehner useless, Cantor useless, Ryan (Mr. 10 year plan back loaded) useless.
C Smith| 4.9.11 @ 4:30AM
The budget impasse tonight pivoted on one point – abortion, a miniscule fraction of the total. Yet Obama and Reid and a plethora of screaming feminists were literally frothing at the mouth over the suggestion abortion funding might be curtailed. They tried tirelessly to justify the "A" word, but God wasn't listening
David writes: "... thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.... My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them" (Psalms 139:13-16).
The words of Jeremiah: "Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" (Jeremiah 1:4-5).
"And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Judah; And entered into the house of Zacharias... And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb" (Luke 1:39 -41).
Tonight, as the cause of the innocent among us went again unheard, we all remain complicit in that euphemism called "a woman's right to choose." For a less sanitized rendition, go to Google, click Images, and enter the word "abortion."
In that Day Obama and Reid and a plethora of feminists (unless there is repentance) will stand before the Lord, but in that Day all will stand in silence.
"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and Hades delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged... according to their works.... And whosoever was not found written in the book of life..." (Revelation 20:11-15).
http://the-day-of-the-lord.blo.....u-say.html
Macwell| 4.9.11 @ 5:33AM
I have mixed thoughts about the decision. In one respect, the republicans look bad and weak, in fact, they are, they NEED us.
Next year, we MUST elect men and women who have the same moral and ethical standards as we do. We MUST tilt the political spectrum back toward sanity. My point is that the currant congress cannot do it in one election cycle, it's going to take 3 or 4 cycles to rid ourselves of the vermin that thrive in D.C.
imho, we the people MUST DEMAND and end of the lobby.
We MUST DEMAND an end of, and an investigation into that monster that is the FED.
We MUST not continue to allow "Me the victim" to replace "We the people".
America is the ONLY last hope for the world.
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 6:03AM
If the dems think they have fooled independents, this latest floor show pretty much sealed the deal. Out with the bunch.
Pecos Pete| 4.9.11 @ 7:24AM
The 2011 budget "deal" announced last night is the first battle in a long war. All of the hoopla about the 2011 budget can now be written up in the history books. If the Democrats had done their job in 2010, when they had a majority in the House, then the 2011 budget would be whatever they had wanted. And that would have been much worse than where we are now.
Reducing federal deficits and debt for the long-term is the real war that must be fought. The Democrats are going to fight fiercely over increasing the debt ceiling. And then comes the 2012 budget battle. Both of these battles will be much more ferocious than the 2011 budget deal. These are individual battles, with more to come on the 2013 budget and another round next year on the debt ceiling. Correcting the cumulative years of over-spending by Congress is not going to be a cake walk and can not be fixed with a single silver bullet.
Holding the line on spending for now is about the best we can do until the election in November 2012. Fiscal conservatives do not, yet, control the purse springs. In 2012 the election of a fiscal conservative majority in the Senate, increasing the number of fiscal conservatives in the House and then winning the BIG battle for the presidency are when the initial real fiscal corrections will begin. Even with fiscal conservatives in control of the White House, and both houses of Congress, there will be enormous challenges.
The federal government's fiscal condition is so horrendous that it is almost impossible to conjure up solutions that prevent real difficulties for many people. We must start with small steps, like the 2011 budget deal, and then move on with ever greater steps.
The fiscal war at the federal level will never end. It is not a perfect world.
Intelligent Design| 4.9.11 @ 8:15AM
Relative to the national debt, cutting federal spending by $39 billion is like a person who is $15,000 in debt cutting his spending by $42 a year.
2012 can't come quickly enough, so we can clean out the White House and the Democrats in the Senate.
Cris Worth| 4.9.11 @ 8:48AM
To win a war you have to win battles. The GOP led House has lost the first battle in this election cycle. Michele Bachmann and the Tea Party have suffered collateral damage. Next up the debt-ceiling limit. The Republicans will agree to raising it if they receive "promises" of future cuts. The promised cuts will never materialize of course but the debt-ceiling increase will occur and multiple times in the near future. The Tea Party's future?
Tom| 4.9.11 @ 9:04AM
Nobody should be surprised at this. Cryin' John Boehner was part of the Republican leadership team during the 200os that allowed spending to get completely out of hand in the first place. A leopard doesn't change its spots. A gutless loser then, a gutless loser now. Cry me a river, John!!
Teflon93| 4.9.11 @ 9:09AM
Once again, Establishment Republicans sold out conservatives to curry favor with the Left Wing Media and save their own sorry @sses. They negotiated away everything of interest to their base and for what?
PattyMor| 4.9.11 @ 9:23AM
Well, I'm too disappointed. But, the real problem, it that they started way too low. The House budget cuts should have started with a very large number, say $200 B. Then let them wail and gnash their teeth over that number. But it is what it is.
Where the Rat Party really needs to extract concessions is over the debt celing limit. We will see what they are made of when that vote comes up. They need to enact a balanced budget amendment WITHOUT TAX INCREASES. If not, we will know that we have lost the republic.
around the track| 4.9.11 @ 9:24AM
Like most conservatives, of course I wanted more, but I'm reminded of a Churchill quote that is relevant to this: "this is not the end, or the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning."
9th ID| 4.9.11 @ 9:29AM
The short and sweet of it is that Boehner and his ilk of spineless RINOs must go...
With God all things r possible| 4.9.11 @ 10:14AM
@around the track - "This is not the end, or the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning."
This is NOT relevant. El Alamein was a victory; this was a defeat.
Much more appropriate is Churchill's statement after Dunkirk: "Wars are not won by evacuations."
Here is the relevant historical lesson: if we would be Churchill, we need to make an El Alamein possible by firing the generals who are getting run over by the enemy, starting with John Boehner.
Marco| 4.9.11 @ 10:19AM
When will the Republicans stop bashing themselves and President Bush about their own past overspending, and concentrate their fire on Obama? He and his minions run monthly deficits the size of their annual ones, but they are still afraid to go after this mob. It's doubtful that we'll ever get back to Bush era deficit levels, and would consider it a great achievement to do so. Stop with the yesteryear mea culpas, bozos, and attack the here and now problem.
talkradio55| 4.9.11 @ 10:22AM
We need a new Speaker. Boehner caved like a coward. He should have put $100 billion in cuts on the table and put Dingy Harry on record as being for the status quo. Send the cuts over and let the Senate and Obama be on the record as wanting to bankrupt the Treasury.
In short, another loss for America in the name of compromise.
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 10:30AM
The GOP Fops Capitulate once again.
More of The Same Old, Same Old GOP Ruling Elite "Democrat Light" Horse Crap.
We Tea Party Patriots are ramping up for The Tea Party Tax Day Rallies.
Walk The Talk.
Burt| 4.9.11 @ 10:49AM
Did anyone really think K street Bonehead and Mitch McConnel would be serious about anything but their K street buddies.
Please not how the 100 Billion in Obamacare funding was LEFT IN THE BUDGET !!!!!!
Thats the real story. Bonehead an McConnell want Obamacare because their K street cronies want it !
Bonehead and Cantor are DC insiders bowing to their Lobbyist bosses !
Wally| 4.9.11 @ 11:08AM
I heard Michelle Bachmann declaring that she would vote NO on this compromise. If she did, she should be elevated in the House leadership. I'd rather see her in charge than Boehner.
7d7| 4.9.11 @ 12:20PM
What, by this action, was done with the Federal budget:
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A family with income of $26,000 a year is spending $38,000. (Add eight zeroes to each of those figures and you have the federal budget.)
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The so-called “man of the house” tells his family, “We can’t go on like this. Our credit cards are near their limit, and soon we won’t even be able to pay the interest on them. We need to spend less, so let’s cut spending this year by $630 to $37,370”
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After a few days of conflict at home, he can’t bear the pressure. He goes back to his family and sheepishly tells them he will be satisfied if they cut spending by only $390, and that he will accept the family spending $37,610.
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Why should we have any confidence Republican leaders will have the courage to address the remaining $11,600 in my example (multiplied by 100 million in the federal budget) when they can’t hold out even a weekend over a lousy $240 that won't even begin to address the problem?
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I’m thoroughly disgusted with not just them, but my supposedly conservative Congressman that voted them into positions of leadership. Why give majorities to Republicans when the allow Democrats to dictate the agenda and the results on any issue of consequence?
crazy| 4.9.11 @ 12:37PM
As long as Boehner and company follow the Bush 43 model of aiming for what's doable rather than for what's needed we'll continue to squabble over the results.
Oldefarte| 4.9.11 @ 12:39PM
Some of you are sadly missing the point, and that is [as I expressed to Robert McCain's commentary] that this is an ongoing war, not just one battle. The reason why $38 billion is/was only achievable was because basically that MORONS IN THIS COUNTRY VOTE FOR/ELECT DEMOCRATS, and have been doing so for my entire lifetime. Democrats have been constructing this GREAT SOCIETY WELFARE MONSTROSITY since the 1960's, and this governmental spending on welfare programs has been on the books incrementally since that era. No human being, god or politician can dismantle same with only one swing at the axe. The upcoming 2012 budget and the debt ceiling will constitute a much more significant confrontation than does this minor skirmish. If you abandon these conservatives and Republicans now in congress that are attempting to systematically solve this historical cesspool of governmental spending, you are playing right into these Democrats playbook of DIVIDE AND CONQUER. Channel your rightful anger into plans to garner votes from friends, family, etc toward the upcoming November 2012 elections; and instruct them to not pit Republican against Republican, but instead Republican against Democrat. Conservatism will win by defeating the now remaining moderates, blue dog type Democrats [the Nancy Pilosi's, Harry Reid's and Charles Schumer's are all in safe liberal districts and will never be defeated]; and by supporting these courageous Republicans now in congress who are valiantly attempting to fight these spending battles and to win the war!!!!!!!!
Wayne | 4.9.11 @ 12:56PM
Boehner lost when he said he was looking for the best deal he could get. He lost on principle. He had an excellent opportunity to force a shutdown and stay firm till democrats finally cave, which they would have. I don't see Boehner getting this opportunity again. He will have to approve the debt limit, since in effect he approved it with this budget. Then he will be lucky to get 40 Billion of Ryan's proposal. Any more and the Dems will force a shutdown and he will cave. This may be the best we can hope for until 2013.
George S| 4.9.11 @ 1:41PM
Actually, our system is working as designed. When the Founders created our republic, they were trying to avoid a parliamentary system which allows for rapid political changes. A republic would be resistant to the whims of the people; the Senate six year terms are staggered, the President is elected by a slate of state electors and the House stands for elections every two years in small districts.
However, the 2008 elections were a fluke as one party with radical ideas took control of the entire government, thus negating the separation of powers. They had two years of unopposed policy making and the result is a trillion plus dollar explosion in debt spending and policies enacted against the will of the people, thus creating a Tea Party. But the Tea Party finds itself stymied by the republican form of government -- it cannot change things radically, so the legislative inertia intentionally designed in our republic is actually hampering the efforts to reverse the 2008 elections. As designed.
What we need is the equivalent perfect storm of 2008. But the chances of that happening are not very good in any political climate. But that is the only way to counter the last election -- not by hanging our hopes on the current Republican leadership. They are constrained by the constitutional process, even though the Democrats seem to ignore it. This budget "deal" is the result of the normal policy making give and take when there is effective opposition on both sides of the political aisle. Until we get a radically conservative executive and legislature, the decline will continue. That's why the Democrats sacrificed themselves over health care and other radical socialist policies... they knew it would be permanent as long as we obey the rules.
Charles E. Umhey Jr., MD| 4.9.11 @ 2:05PM
As far as the Republicans living to fight another day it is bogus. To fight indicates you have a spine which they prove they lack again and again. Time for a third party with a spine. Remember all other virtues are useless without courage.
Oldefarte| 4.9.11 @ 2:24PM
No, Charles, ther's also a human element called INTELLIGENCE. To fight with no ultimate plan is strictly stupid, and a spine is of no use/purpose unless same is properly connected to the cranial cavity!!!!!!!!!
Charles E. Umhey Jr., MD| 4.9.11 @ 5:40PM
Who said courage/spine means no intelligent plan? The only plan I see is cave, cave cave!
darcy| 4.9.11 @ 8:48PM
The conservatives I talk to about the "compromise" are bailing ship. What they say is this: This was a hill to die on, and the Republicans caved. Where is that $100 Billion promised cut? Where is that defunding of Planned Parenthood? Since the Republicans have proven themselves incapable of thwarting the left, it's time for a third party to do it. And if that means Democrats win in perpetuity, what difference is it to us since whether we get a Dem or a Rep, we still get the same statist drive to spend America into oblivion. Better to put the machinery in place to erect a third party apparatus that will give Americans a real choice.
Moreover, you really have no idea what a mistake it is to make pro-life people pay for abortion through their tax dollars. You make us complicit in the murder of the unborn. This state of affairs cannot long endure.
martin j smith| 4.10.11 @ 8:27AM
You would think from the way some react that this particular interlude is the end of it. Well folks--this is just a relative minor skirmish Larger and even significant battles loom ahead as others have already pointed out. Save your energy for them. I am truly worried about what I will call the DEFEATISTS among us. The woes is us because the "deal" was not what we expected.
Lets say Boehner et al. basically told Reid and Obama its 61 bil or the highway. And O says: Fine: the highway and we will rain DUDU all over you !!!!!!!!!! Then what. How long and in whose interest is to have the MSM drum beat and The Rzzzzzzzzd oing nothing about this ? They cannot stop the MSM drum beat. And this budget was basically not the Repubs, it was the tardy Dzzzzzzz
budget. Now comes "our turn". To be sure Boehner will have be pushed and given backbone medication. The time to judge will come soon enough with the 2012 budget and the issues of Abama Care and the debt Ceiling and then the real McCoy the 2012 election. THAT IS WHERE ALL THIS THIS HEADING. So: save your energy, take a pill, a deep breath and move on to the next battles.
Joe R| 4.10.11 @ 9:19AM
Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck, and the rest of talk radio need to declare a jihad against John Boehner and the rest of the GOP Congressional leadership in order to run them out of Washington.
martin j smith| 4.10.11 @ 9:51AM
Joe R--I don't thins so --Joe R They may disagree and believe Boehner made a bad decision -but not as you say at all. So you are a fool or a phoney in my view. Whatever-over and out. Its way too premature yet.
Oldefarte| 4.10.11 @ 10:24AM
Martin J nailed it. Next up, the debt ceiling and the 2012 budget. Strap it on, folks, cause it's gonna get nasty!!!!!!!!
martin j smith| 4.10.11 @ 10:32AM
Interestingly Fox Web Site says Obama will come out with his "own plan" to cut the deficit--notice the word "cut" Better be ready to read with a magnifying glass every single word and letter that is uttered and stated about Obama's plan. Here is what I would look for: Tricky wording,meaningless plans,very limited change in design of his policies--this guy is all appearance and not substance--He is an ideologue and try clever things --but he will not cut in his own domaine. It will be I suspect the military and very little in benefits. He will pose himself as "reasonable" and of course Ryan as "extreme". This is as I have said where the real battle is engaged-- REAL VERSUS PHONEY changes. He will try to get by with minimum effect on his economic plans and this is what must be looked for. Its not x or y amount of money but the message that will be important. I look "reasonable" they are "extremists." This is where the real test comes in and the Repub leadership will really NEED to show backbone--and we should not let them avoid the conflict.
Teflon93| 4.10.11 @ 10:37AM
It won't "get nasty" at all---except for conservatives when the Republican Establishment caves again.
Look it up---the GOP has NEVER rolled back government in the past 50 years. They show zero signs of doing so now. It's always "Wait till next time" with this crowd.
Only suckers buy their jive at this point.
Clint| 4.10.11 @ 10:54AM
The Leaderless Leader Obama Is An Argument Against Himself, Once Again.
"Five year ago, however, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., voted the exact way President Obama is now cautioning senators not to do.
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said on March 16, 2006. “Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership . Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.”
martin j smith| 4.10.11 @ 11:19AM
Teflon 93--we shall see --if you are right or if you are a troll or phony or fool. Pick one.
Obama will come out with something because a) his leadershit has been noticed and b) Ryan put out something. What has to happen is that Repubs in a very polite way must state that right now our economy sucks and must be corrected and the fact that there is a Ryan Plan put out there gives that impetus. What will be exposed is the level of seriousness to the actualy economic situation and if Obama does not have serious alterations to HIS OWN SPENDING ISSUES HE WILL EXPOSE HIMSELF EVEN MORE INADVERTENTLY AS IT WERE. Either he is serious or he is not there will be no in between. Ryan's proposals are serious. So teflon 93 if you are saying that we did not get what we should have on this matter of the 2010 budget you are right--but things are no longer the same--and I do not buy same old same old now because of the Tea Party and other voters. So you are either in your own "woe is me bubble "or something else.
Patients is extremely important in these conflicts and a real leader must have that ability among other things. So I say, lets see what happens let not yet get bent out of shape.
tatosian| 4.10.11 @ 4:21PM
Ah yes, when the latest Republican submission to the Great Society's dictates spark outrage or condemnation from Americans, the usual Conservative enablers are quick to attack that condemnation as premature, immature or unpatriotic.
Conservatives embracing their Battered wife syndrome have never failed to support their Republicans for each and every defeat. Indeed. For those hopelessly deluded Conservatives, Republican defeats are really Republican victories, stepping stones to even greater victories that are just around the corner.
Rather than question the patriotism of those who are fed up with Republican cowardice and/or ineffectuality that helps further the liberal/progressive agenda, American patriots might be better served by wondering why, exactly, these Conservatives continue to support Republican politicians whose actions have contributed so mightily to the success of the liberal/progressive agenda.
Perhaps that undying support should be reexamined.
martin j smith| 4.10.11 @ 4:40PM
Tatosian you are very hostile. the worst kind in a situation that required calm and rationed leadership
Perhaps your motives should be examined tatosian ?
Would it not be great for Obama if he could split the Conservative,Tea Party, Republican Coalition ? Would it not tatosian ? . In my view those people who are " fed up" are either useless because they are impatient and have unrealistic expectations for this episode we just went thru to pass another temporary budget or they are trolls.
Reason: There are so many other battles ahead and those trump this issue and very soon this episode will be eclipsed by other concerns like the debt ceiling for instance. So tatosian either calm down if you are hot under the collar or shove off if you are a troll. We do not need saboteurs regarless of their motives
tatosian| 4.10.11 @ 7:15PM
Smith--
After watching my nation and my culture diminished to the point of near irrelevance so as to impose a multi culti pc paradise, a paradise that you and your Republicans helped bring about, you can bet your round bottom I'm hostile.
You're not saying that you and your Republicans have stopped, or even slowed the progressive agenda are you smith? You're not saying your Republican friends ever risked that congressional conviviality they're so proud of for some minor thing like principal or national sovereignty or adherence to the constitution are you smith? Didn't think so.
"There are so many other battles ahead and those trump this issue" is pretty much your credo ain't it? I mean, assembly line abortions and dadt repeal are nothing when compared to upcoming victories right?
How are you and yours gonna neutralize the presence of over 20 million illegal aliens and the divisive effects of that supremacist foreign culture upon my own oh mighty keyboard warrior? Amnesty?
How are these new victories you're promising going to give me back the country that you and your Republicans gave away for a hand full of dimes and a pat on the ass smith?
You've supported your Republicans hucksters throughout the demise of my country. A demise those republicans never stopped and, if history is any indication, are unwilling to stop.
To any but the true believer that's not trolling or sabotage smith. That's historical truth.
You're a joke pal.