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Conservative opinions of the compromise deal struck late last night, which averted a shutdown of the federal government, are decidedly mixed. Andrew Stiles of National Review was triumphant, applauding “Boehner’s robust leadership.” And by avoiding the shutdown scenario — which some Democrats clearly relished as an opportunity to excoriate Republicans as “extremists” — Boehner’s compromise deal “allows the Republicans to live again and fight another day,” as our own Jim Antle observed in the wee hours.
My own midnight mood was disgruntled. It appears that Republican leaders used pro-lifers as a bargaining chip, making a show of standing firm on the defunding of Planned Parenthood, only to abandon that position at the last minute. The GOP thus made a winner of Chuck Schumer, who had vowed the Senate would “never, never, never” agree to cut the taxpayer subsidy to Planned Parenthood.
Basic rule of thumb: It’s not a conservative victory if Chuck Schumer has any reason to smile.
Beyond the GOP’s disappointing (but by no means unprecedented) abandonment of social conservatives, the amount that Boehner’s bargain would cut from the 2011 budget, about $39 billion, represents something less than 1/30th of this year’s deficit. So if this “historic” reduction of federal spending (to borrow Harry Reid’s expression) charts our future course, the United States might achieve a balanced budget by 2042.
This sober fiscal reality makes GOP triumphalists look a lot like Charlie Sheen boasting that his drug-fueled career meltdown was “winning.” But so long as Speaker Boehner is not claiming to be a “total frickin’ rock star from Mars,” at least there is hope that this might be the first step toward budget sobriety. However, my grassroots Tea Party friends, who are screaming “betrayal” and vowing to support primary challengers against every congressional Republican incumbent next year, are certainly justified in their dissatisfaction with what Boehner called “the best deal we could get.”
In their discontent with half-measures and “compromise” victories, grassroots conservatives remind me of the ancient Athenians. In 432 B.C., Thucydides tells us in his History of the Pelopponesian War, the reluctance of Sparta to resist Athenian expansion was condemned by a Corinthian ambassador, who described the relentless and daring spirit of the Athenians:
“And what they have planned but not carried out, they think that in this they lose something already their own; what they have attempted and gained, that in this they have achieved but little in comparison with what they mean to do.”
What Boehner has achieved is less than what conservatives had hoped, and thus they count it as a loss. Even if it is a victory, however, conservatives consider it “but little in comparison with what they mean to do.” And so in answer to the question of what conservatives will next demand from Republican leadership, the answer is simple: More.
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Oldefarte| 4.9.11 @ 11:58AM
Thanks, Robert, for your usual excellent commentary, but I respectfully disagree with your [I think] conclusion/point. I'm more in agreement with Quin Hillyer, Mike Huckabee, etc who point out that politics is an ongoing event, not a static one. As the old saying goes, ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY, nor will it be dismantled in a single day either. This liberal governmental GREAT SOCIETY buildup has been occurring throughout my entire substantial lifetime, and a single event like the present budget fight will not be able to completely eliminate same. It will take time. The upcoming 2012 budget battle, in addition to that concerning the debt ceiling, will continue the conservative battle!!!!!!!!!
Dandapani| 4.9.11 @ 12:02PM
The Demo Demagogues have only Just Begun.
Glein| 4.9.11 @ 12:18PM
I have said over and over again that the elites of Republican party will fold about all issues fiscal and social to Obama and the Democrat leadership. Republican leadership has no political will to change the disastrous course we are on. They are as bloated with tax payers dollars and a sense of entitlement to our hard earned money as the Democrats. I will say it again. Obama will win a second term and the House could easily swing back to Democrats. If that happens God help us all.
7d7| 4.9.11 @ 12:19PM
What, by this action, was done with the Federal budget:
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A family with income of $26,000 a year is spending $38,000. (Add eight zeroes to each of those figures and you have the federal budget.)
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The so-called “man of the house” tells his family, “We can’t go on like this. Our credit cards are near their limit, and soon we won’t even be able to pay the interest on them. We need to spend less, so let’s cut spending this year by $630 to $37,370”
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After a few days of conflict at home, he can’t bear the pressure. He goes back to his family and sheepishly tells them he will be satisfied if they cut spending by only $390, and that he will accept the family spending $37,610.
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Why should we have any confidence Republican leaders will have the courage to address the remaining $11,600 in my example (multiplied by 100 million in the federal budget) when they can’t hold out even a weekend over a lousy $240 that won't even begin to address the problem?
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I’m thoroughly disgusted with not just them, but my supposedly conservative Congressman that voted them into positions of leadership. Why give majorities to Republicans when the allow Democrats to dictate the agenda and the results on any issue of consequence?
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 12:22PM
Boehner's Bargain: Conservative Victory?
And a loss for all Americans.
The conservative solution to joblessness is to lay off a bunch of workers.
Good thinking dumbasses.
crazy| 4.9.11 @ 12:29PM
Boehner and company lost when they failed to anticipate that Obama would use military pay as their ace-in-the-hole card. The last minute CR to fully fund the troops indicates they figured it out, but too late. We can only hope the Speaker learned the error of their ways. Obama-Pelosi-Reid wanted unrestricted spending in 2011 and except for this little trim they got it. As long as Obama determines who gets paid and Reid decides what gets voted on it would be foolish to expect Boehner to do much better than he did.
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 12:42PM
What exactly has changed in the public discourse? Nothing. They are still spending more money than we have, led by an out of touch idealogue who thinks we should all trade our cars for highbreds and take every few days off for a well deserved vaca. A full week of grand standing on the steps of the Capitol would have done wonders for the right thinking of any Independent who still believes that the dems know better. Not funding the soldiers while insisting that the funds flow to the real baby killers? Seriously?
Wayne | 4.9.11 @ 12:51PM
When Democrats are praising you, you have lost.
SoCon| 4.9.11 @ 1:04PM
Good post, Oldefarte. Keep the Republicans' feet to the fire snd work to elect more of them!
Don't get mad get even.
Patrick| 4.9.11 @ 1:07PM
"jharp" you again? what do you mean "layoff" ? who what where???? are u talking about a "furlough" mr. assh*le?
a furlough is NOT A LAYOFF. I am a federal employee couldnt wait for the govt to shutdown and start saving money for EVERYONE. NO FED EMPLYEE GETS FIRED DURING A FURLOUGH.
but you dont care about facts do you?
i noticed you ran & tucked tail when you couldnt prove how many lives are SAVED AS OPPOSED TO KILLED IE ABORTED, BY PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
what a liberal liar. typcial. all you guys care about is killing unborn babies. if you were mcdonald's you would be the world's leader in carnage.
enjoy dragging the country down with more deaths and fewer citizens. but u dont give a damn about the facts or the truth. just your own liberal carnage & blood letting.
U R a jerk royale i see.
Richard Baker| 4.9.11 @ 1:11PM
jharp:
Obviously, your grasp of economics is weak. Government creates NOTHING. The private sector creates and the government doesn't. I guess this simple idea escapes. Do you think the economic destruction of government overspending won't affect you? Buy them books and send them to school....
PattyMor| 4.9.11 @ 1:50PM
The 2011 budget was but a skirmish in the long battle back to fiscal sanity. I'd call it a stalemate. A small win, but no earthquaking deal. If the Rats really wanted to get $100B in cuts they should have proposed $200 B and left more bargaining room. The Demons will wail and cry no matter what figure is proposed, so might as well make it bigger and make them defend the wasteful spending.
The real test will be over the debt celing. If the Rats lift it without a balanced budget amendment without tax increases, we will know the republic is lost.
So onward and upward to 2012. Just hope the republic lasts that long.
Neo-libertarian| 4.9.11 @ 1:54PM
Last night the demise of our democracy, our freedom, and our way of life was accelerated and virtually cemented in place. Instead of the “line in the sand” that the public demanded we suffered more compromise, issue riders, and capitulation. You will have one more chance in 2012 but every single Republican and Democrat that voted to preserve the rate of decline must be removed. I weep for the once great Nation I defended, the cowards then went to Canada; the cowards now seek out China.
e cowan| 4.9.11 @ 1:56PM
The WINNERS - B. O. -Dingy Harry and George Soros new friend, Nancy P.
WE LOST
"It appears that Republican leaders used pro-lifers as a bargaining chip, making a show of standing firm on the defunding of Planned Parenthood, only to abandon that position at the last minute. The GOP thus made a winner of Chuck Schumer, who had vowed the Senate would "never, never, never" agree to cut the taxpayer subsidy to Planned Parenthood.
Basic rule of thumb: It's not a conservative victory if Chuck Schumer has any reason to smile.
.... the amount that Boehner's bargain would cut from the 2011 budget, about $39 billion, represents something less than 1/30th of this year's deficit. So if this "historic" reduction of federal spending (to borrow Harry Reid's expression) charts our future course, the United States might achieve a balanced budget by 2042."
Just as important was Boehner's folding on the issue of the EPA keeping their power to enforce CAP AND TAX through regulation, since the libs lost on the legislative front.
Boehner's a weeping wimp and I hope the Tea Party DOES run a real conservative against him.
MikeN| 4.9.11 @ 2:08PM
Republicans folded in fear of a government shutdown. What reason is there to think Obama won't do that again with the next budget?
Oldefarte| 4.9.11 @ 2:19PM
What a moron you are [jharp| 4.9.11 @ 12:22PM
Boehner's Bargain: Conservative Victory?
And a loss for all Americans.The conservative solution to joblessness is to lay off a bunch of workers. Good thinking dumbasses]. No dummy, the solution is to reduce excessive governmental expendatures [and correspondingly the need for the government to borrow from enemies/China to pay for such expendatures], thereby freeing up available financial capital [translation, dummy, LOANS] for use by private sector [translation, non-government entities, dummy] so that same can thereafter hire more employees. What a stupid moron you obviously are. did it hurt when your mommie dropped you on your head during childhood????????????????????
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 2:21PM
The Democrat Big Government Parasite Leech Solution to joblessness is to force confiscate American Taxpayers Money and give Our Money to The Bloated Artificially Stilted Big Government Federal Union Workers.
The Big Government Parasite Leech Motto," We Force Confiscate Your Taxpayer Money & Give Ya Less Bang For Your Buck".
We Tea Party Patriots are ramping up for The Tea Party Tax Day Rallies.
Walk The Talk.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 2:23PM
Richard Baker| 4.9.11 @ 1:11PM
"jharp:
Obviously, your grasp of economics is weak. Government creates NOTHING. "
Who delivers your mail? And I guess having a letter delivered to anywhere in the United States for 44 cents creates nothing?
And I'll let NASA know that the space exploration they've been doing for decades is useless. Those satellites we rely on for so many things have created nothing.
God you people are stupid.
ncatty| 4.9.11 @ 2:27PM
The Dems dropped the ball last year when they had the House, Senate and White House and still did not pass a budget for 2011. If they had, we would not be having this conversation. Instead, the Republican House seized on this opportunity to lay down a marker about spending. But the two big battles remain. First, a debate about the transformative Ryan 2012 and beyond budget. Then that debate will be followed by the 2012 elections. By that time, the parties will be staked out for the voters to decide between limited government and the European model. All in all a very successful conclusion to the opening act.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 2:31PM
Patrick posted...
"i noticed you(jharp) ran & tucked tail when you couldnt prove how many lives are SAVED AS OPPOSED TO KILLED IE ABORTED, BY PLANNED PARENTHOOD."
TAS ate my post but here you go again.
"Abortion services account for about 3 percent of Planned Parenthood’s activities. That’s less than cancer screening and prevention (16 percent), STD testing for both men and women (35 percent), and contraception (also 35 percent). About 80 percent of Planned Parenthood’s users are over age 20, and 75 percent have incomes below 150 percent of the poverty line. Planned Parenthood itself estimates it prevents more than 620,000 unintended pregnancies each year, and 220,000 abortions. It’s also worth noting that federal law already forbids Planned Parenthood from using the funds it receives from the government for abortions."
"And if Planned Parenthood loses funding, what will mainly happen is that cancer screenings and contraception and STD testing will become less available to poorer people."
And guess what happens then you dumbf*ck.
Taxpayers get to pay for cancer treatments, STD treatments, and more children whose parents can't take of them. All gets dumped on the taxpayers.
When are f*cking morons going to realize that Planned Parenthood saves you dumbasses money?
God you people are stupid.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 2:34PM
The services Planned Parenthood provides save the federal government a lot of money. It’s somewhat cold to put it in these terms, but taxpayers end up bearing a lot of the expense for unintended pregnancies among people without the means to care for their children. The same goes for preventable cancers and sexually transmitted diseases such as HIV/AIDS. You can find a lot more information about Planned Parenthood and its services here.http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/newsroom/politics-policy-issues/fact-sheets-reports-32754.htm
LarryK| 4.9.11 @ 2:57PM
Old Weepy Boehner has got to go. Period!
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 3:06PM
The Big Government Parasite Leeches force confiscate American Taxpayers' Money And Deliver Less Bang For The Buck.
"A recent USA Today analysis of more than 200 occupations revealed that—rather than suffering from a 26 percent pay gap in 2009—federal workers typically have wages 20 percent higher than private-sector workers. The analysis found that "federal employees earn higher average salaries than private-sector workers in more than 8 out of 10 occupations... accountants, nurses, chemists, surveyors, cooks, clerks, and janitors are among the wide range of jobs that get paid more on average in the federal government than in the private sector."And note that the USA Today analysis did not include benefits, which are very generous in the federal government."
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 3:08PM
This is Why We "Taxed Enough Already" Party Patriots are ramping up for Tea Party Tax Day Rallies Across America.
Walk The Talk.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 3:16PM
Oldefarte| 4.9.11 @ 2:19PM
" No dummy, the solution is to reduce excessive governmental expendatures"
So you dumbasses cut out a program that saves taxpayers money?
Tell me oldfarte. Who pays for unwanted pregnancies that result in a child whose parents can't take care of them?
Huh? Dumbass.
And who pays for the treatment of HIV sufferers who can't afford treatment?
Huh? Dumbass.
And who pays for cancer treatments because the cancer screenings for poor people got cut and the cancer progressed to a much more costly treatment?
God you people are stupid.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 3:18PM
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 3:08PM
"This is Why We "Taxed Enough Already" Party Patriots are ramping up for Tea Party Tax Day Rallies Across America."
Taxed Enough Already after Obama cut taxes for 95% of us? Cut them to lower taxes than we paid under George Bush.
God you teabaggers are stupid.
SoCon| 4.9.11 @ 3:23PM
12% of Planned Parenthood's funding goes to abortions.
"PP performed 332,278 abortions in 2009, about the number of people who lived in Cincinnati that year.
The 332,278 abortions PP performed over the 365 days of 2009 equals an average of 910 lives terminated per day--or about 38 an hour or one every 95 seconds."
Planned Parenthood kills one baby every 95 seconds and we pay for this slaughter every year with $326.88 million of our taxes or $932 an abortion. No wonder our country is going to hell.
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 3:35PM
41% of Americans don't even file income tax returns. Secondly, out of the 59% of us who do file tax returns, 43.4 million out of the 136 million tax returns filed face a zero or negative tax liability. So if 32% (43.4/136) of the those who file don't owe any taxes, and if 41% don't even file income taxes, then that equals 73% who don't pay any income taxes. That leaves the rest of us.
Do Your Homework Economic Asshat.
martin j smith| 4.9.11 @ 3:45PM
This War for the survival of our country has just started. Some Conservatives such as the author above I fear get too panicky too quickly. As we all know, there are many more battles ahead of us and much to worry about. This was last years budget and in the scheme of things small potatoes
\compared to issues such as the debt ceiling among other things.
While we can always have hoped for better--I truly believe that the Socialists wanted Repubs to"cause" a government shut down. They too know this is small change compared issues such as that regarding the Paul Ryan Blue Print or whatever it is.
The S will hit the F very soon and we will see who had backbone and who does not. The message which must be put out: Do you want a national economic collapse or a chance to save ourselves.
Our policies are meant to save our nation.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 3:57PM
SoCon says "Planned Parenthood kills one baby every 95 seconds and we pay for this slaughter every year with $326.88 million of our taxes or $932 an abortion."
And you are a goddamn liar. No federal tax dollars fund abortions. It is against the law.
But you have no interest in the truth. You are simply pandering to the Bible freaks. And a large majority of those dumbasses will believe you.
The Jesus I know would not like what you do one bit. And you know it.
Scum.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 4:01PM
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 3:35PM
Clint. Newsflash you dumb f*cker.
You can't get a tax cut if you don't pay any taxes.
The 95% of us that got tax cuts were TAXPAYERS you idiot. You know, earning income and filing a tax return.
God you people are stupid.
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 4:12PM
Duuhhhhh !
You're An Economic Imbecile.
Tell that to all The Non-Taxpaying Tax Filers , who got Obama's "Refundable Tax Credits".
Obviously, You have no idea about the difference between Obama's Snake Oil "Refundable Tax Credits" & Non-Refundable Tax Credits.
carol| 4.9.11 @ 4:32PM
an absolute failure of conservative leadership
an oxymoron
remove incumbent deadbeats everywhere in 2012
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 4:35PM
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 4:12PM
Tell that to all The Non-Taxpaying Tax Filers , who got Obama's "Refundable Tax Credits".
Obviously, You have no idea about the difference between Obama's Snake Oil "Refundable Tax Credits" & Non-Refundable Tax Credits.
Clint you are f*cking idiot.
If you paid no income you still got your taxes lowered. They are called payroll taxes you imbecile.
And everyone who earns their first dollar owes them. If you earned enough to file a return you got a tax credit. Or 95% of us did.
And Obama's refundable tax credits are just that. You get a refund you dumbsh*t.
God you people are stupid.
By the way I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Accounting from a Big Ten University.
Dixie Pixie| 4.9.11 @ 4:35PM
Gentlemen I think everyone has missed the true danger.
For the first time the withholding of military pay was used by Democrats as a tactic to club the Republicans into submission.
Remember, once the Democrats find a useful tactic, they will use it over and over for decades.
Apparently Obama and Reid are so ignorant of military history that they are unaware of the extreme danger of playing political games with military pay.
Historically depriving the military of pay was a good way to be the subject of a involuntary regime change by military coup.
The US Military has a proven track record of causing the same in foreign lands.
There is a real unwritten social contract in which the Military stays out of Domestic Politics in exchange for a constant paycheck and defined lifetime benefits.
The Military personal does not get payed enough to survive inconsistent pay by military design.
Obama and Reid broke that contract unaware that by doing so it will force the Military to respond or face a revolt in the ranks.
The Military will tolerate a great deal of abuse but political games with the soldiers paycheck is not one of them.
The Obama, Reid and the Democrats are in a far more dangerous place by playing budgetary games than they realize.
This could blow up the US Government suddenly and without warning.
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carol| 4.9.11 @ 4:36PM
by the way
any as- h-- le knows that anyone who needs care can get it and will with out federal funding to planned parenthood
stop drinking the koolaid
the key word here is federal some things were to be left to the states
Who Knows?| 4.9.11 @ 4:53PM
My grandfather was a wheat farmer in Kansas, and he was always outstanding in his field.
He also grew other crops that meant he had to bend over a lot,
so he was
STOOPED.
What's the excuse of too many Americans who keep voting for Obama TAKERS?
They are public school graduates, or even drop outs, who've been seriously taught socialism.
Proof?
From the earliest years, SHARING is the basic lesson, no?
I share THIS insight with you.
Actually, though, with only one FOURTH of the federal lawmaking government, just the House of Representatives, the fact that Boehner and his team was able to move the ball AGAINST the other THREE FOURTHS of it is definitely not a loss.
"Back 'em up, back 'em up, way back!" or "Hold that line!"---either football cheer will do.
Getting lost in details is like circle jerking off---wasted energy.
Also, never forget the old realization that Obama and his ilk are the political expression of mere SIZZLE, and Boehner et al are the STEAK.
It's not an accident that BHO wrote about the DREAMS of his father.
Liberals are in airy fairy assh$le land, and conservatives reside in REALITY.
Reality always wins, because what's so is always what's so.
That's some NO CHANGE to believe in!
tatosian| 4.9.11 @ 4:55PM
Faux opposition to the liberal/progressive Great Society death march melts again and establishment Republican/conservatives insist defeat is really a small, so small it might not even exist, victory.
We're assured that like Rome, our Great Society wasn't built in a day. And true enough, each progressive victory depends on the inevitable collapse, the (by now) predictable failure of the "opposition party" so as to contribute to that Great Society's, um, greatness.
These sell outs and betrayals, despite the soap opera theatrics, are nothing more or less than failures. We may rightly attribute those failures to a uniform and obvious lack of courage throughout the Republican party. And the obvious lack of any intelligent long range strategy employed against that Great Society death march. But failure is failure. And consistent failure should be considered a choice and a strategy all its own.
I find it curious that these predictable failures, and the harsh realities those failures impose upon rank and file Americans, are always understandable and never held against the ineffectual, corrupt and pandering Republicans. Never. The failure is always the "best deal possible" or the "first small step" in an expanding winning strategy that will really work this time or, my favorite; the fault of rank and file Americans who aren't dedicated enough. Haven't tried hard enough to elect honorable representatives who'll actually represent their constituents.
No offense but Conservatives, (except the Tea Party, which hurriedly backed a profligate and immoral Republican political organization and will no doubt make appropriate adjustments for the next cycle) are looking more and more like idiotic Chicago cubs fans. Their guys don't ever have to win as long as it looks like they're really, really trying and the manager has a sincere demeanor in the post game interview.
Might be time to start a new team huh?
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 4:59PM
carol| 4.9.11 @ 4:36PM
"by the way
any as- h-- le knows that anyone who needs care can get it and will with out federal funding to planned parenthood"
Really? Where? The emergency room? And who pays for that? Dumbass.
You are an idiot and a liar.
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 5:01PM
Clint. Newsflash you dumb f*cker.
You can't get a tax cut if you don't pay any taxes.
The 95% of us that got tax cuts were TAXPAYERS you idiot. You know, earning income and filing a tax return.
God you people are stupid.
****
harpy -- filing an income tax return is required BY LAW. Paying taxes is a reflection of EARNINGS.
Big f'ing difference you disengenous douche.
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 5:01PM
Duuuuhhhh Accounting Moron.
We Tea Party Patriots are educated about Obama Apologists playing parsing word games.
Obama's " Tax Credits" are not " "Tax Cuts".
Aaaand not all taxpayers get paychecks from an employer, and those who don't would not get the credit. You leave out a few important details about who gets tax cuts under his plan. It's 81 percent.
Do Your Homework Peter Principle Accountant
Oldefarte| 4.9.11 @ 5:02PM
Harp-puke: Who pays? You're correct, I [and all taxpayers] pay for same. PP etc saves money? Wrong, imbicile! I pay for my expenses, and don't want to pay for yours..........GET IT IMBICILE? In other words, LET THEM EAT EXCREMENT, okay? Pay for it with your wallet/credit card, NOT MINE [aka governmental taxiation]. It's amazing that liberal imbiciles like you can't seem to understand the PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY thing of this situation. I'M NOT MY BROTHER KEEPER. It's SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST, get it DIP-EXCREMENT???????????
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 5:04PM
"by the way
any as- h-- le knows that anyone who needs care can get it and will with out federal funding to planned parenthood"
Really? Where? The emergency room? And who pays for that? Dumbass.
You are an idiot and a liar.
NOTSOSharp ....
Have doctor's offices been outlawed? Is this one of those unintended consequences that we had to wait to pass 0bamacare in order to see what was in it? I have no problem seeking and receiving care from a physician in her office. Of course, I PAY for her services so are you saying there are no doctors or (God, FORBID), obama leeches might have to PONY up so scratch for their care?
Hanover| 4.9.11 @ 5:09PM
Planned Parenthood aborts many more Black and Hispanic babies by percentage than White babies.
Planned Parenthood is racist.
Liberals lie. Liberalism kills.
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 5:09PM
SoCon says "Planned Parenthood kills one baby every 95 seconds and we pay for this slaughter every year with $326.88 million of our taxes or $932 an abortion."
And you are a goddamn liar. No federal tax dollars fund abortions. It is against the law.
But you have no interest in the truth. You are simply pandering to the Bible freaks. And a large majority of those dumbasses will believe you.
The Jesus I know would not like what you do one bit. And you know it.
Scum.
*****
Right ...
Taxpayers just pay for those mundane expenses like rent and salaries so that PP can do their real work -- aborting fetuses. Thanks for clearing that up.
You know what is despicable you douche? Making this a class issue, that's what's so despicable. If you want PBS and PP then you and your beloved unions should fund it .... as for me? I am happy to see them either find the wherewithal to be SELF SUFFICIENT or fold. That's the way it works.
You are a complete douche ...
Hanover| 4.9.11 @ 5:18PM
Ouch! Looks like SoCon hit a nerve. LOL
Of course Planned Parenthood uses tax-payer funds to kill babies. Anything those heartless bastards can get their hands on is used to snuff the life out of the innocents. Democrats are monsters.
Money's fungible--they just move it around like all pieces of Liberal garbage do .
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 5:23PM
We Tea Party Patriots are gonna make Economic Snake Oil Scammer Obama & His Stooge, Peter Principle Accounting Asshat Harp Job Eat Their Shuck & Jive Trash Talk.
Tax credits are not the same as tax cuts. A tax cut decrease the rate at which one is taxed. A tax credit is a benefit paid to an individual to increase one's net income.
Obama's claim that he'll cut taxes for 95% of Americans is misleading for this reason: he misconstrues tax credits to mean tax cuts.
So, when Obama says he'll cut taxes for 95% of America, what he really means to say is he's going to adjust the progressiveness of the tax rate in order to fund tax credits for the lowest tax bracket--the one that doesn't pay any taxes at all. That's not a tax cut, its a refundable credit, a redistribution of wealth. The merits of such a shift in tax policy is debatable. It isn't, however, a tax cut for 95% of America.
We Tea Party Patriots are ramping up for The Tea Party Tax Day Rallies Across America.
Walk The Talk.
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 5:24PM
Who pays for unwanted pregnancies that result in a child whose parents can't take care of them?
Duh. not my problem. Seriously? I see from everything you ever post that personal responsibility is the last suggestion. I am tired of standing in grocery store lines and watching the family of obscene numbers use a welfare CREDIT CARD to purchase items I deny myself knowing that tax dollars support that expenditure. No one expects a return to "yessir, yesma'm," but a simple understanding of cause and effect would be in order, don't you think? If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting a different result, then Planned Parenthood is the perfect model. How successful have they in fact been if the number of abortion RISES every year? If an airline CRASHED more airplanes each successive year, would that spell success to a douche like you?
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 5:28PM
harpy:
"The Jesus I know would not like what you do one bit. And you know it."
He's coming. Try to look busy.
Does he pronounce his name Jesus or Hezues?
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 5:42PM
Obama's Peter Principle Accounting Stooge Harp Job keeps tryin' to Shuck & Jive his way around how Snake Oil Obama attempted to Scam Americans about 95 Percent of Us Getting "Tax Cuts".
Read: The Wall Street Journal's : Obama's 95% Illusion.
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....27257.html
We Tea Party Patriots are ramping up to The Tea Party Tax Day Rallies Across America.
Walk The Talk.
Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 4.9.11 @ 5:57PM
Despite how bad it tastes and smells, this is a victory, albeit a bad tasting and smelly one. Once again it exposes the Democratic Party for what it really stands for, spending money we don't have, killing babies, paying for things that should pay for themselves, and throwing tantrums when they have to cut "anything" they support. The gap between the two ideologies, Left & Right, has never been clearer, from this Budget battle, to Obama's Healthcare Law, to the disgusting reactions by the Union Workers in Wisconsin, to the crazy reaction to the shooting spree in Arizona. The Left is showing everybody where they stand, and nobody wants to stand with them anymore, except the hardcore Converts (but they're lost causes anyway, and only about 20% of the Population). The Elections in 2012 will clarify everything, are we staying on this path to destruction, or are we turning away from last Century's Liberal Commie policies? So this isn't the greatest win ever, but it's still a "W" in the Win/Loss column nonetheless, and I'll take a win anytime, even if it tastes really bad, and smells like a Hippie!!
Where is my Reply To This button? Hello!! The Reply To This button? Where is it? You're starting to act like Nancy Pelosi by not giving us back our Reply To This button!! Ouch, that hurts!! Damn right that hurts, so give us back our Reply To This button, and I'll apologize for calling you Nancy Pelosi (but not until then, Nancy)!!
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 6:00PM
10 straight posts of lies, idiocy, and complete and utter nonsense.
Sorry gang. I ain't got it in me to respond to all 10.
But ieems like it is I that has struck a nerve. Or more accurately struck a lot of nerves.
Have you dumb f*ckers ever heard of the Hyde Amendment?
I know you have but lying to the ignorant racist redneck religious freak bigots that are your base gets votes.
You have no interest in the truth. None.
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 6:09PM
Or more accurately struck a lot of nerves.
Have you dumb f*ckers ever heard of the Hyde Amendment?
I know you have but lying to the ignorant racist redneck religious freak bigots that are your base gets votes.
You have no interest in the truth.
***
You are a perfect example of your party. Poke other people in the eye. Raise issues with no facts and then refute what you don't like.
I bet you have very small feet of clay in addition to being the biggest douche I have ever encountered. Change your name and come back and do it again. You're still inconsequential in the overall scheme of politics. Americans are on to you. On to the next phase. Get out of the way and watch how adults do it.
Hanover| 4.9.11 @ 6:11PM
LOL!!
Choke on this truth loser: Planned Parenthood aborts many more Black and Hispanic babies by percentage than White babies. You filthy "Final Solution" Sanger whores are beneath contempt.
Shove it up your ass you stinking piece of racist crap.
Truth is King| 4.9.11 @ 6:51PM
"My grandfather was a wheat farmer in Kansas, and he was always outstanding in his field."
No pun intended, I'm sure. :^)
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 6:51PM
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 6:09PM
"Poke other people in the eye."
Only with you dumbass teabaggers is truth telling "poking someone in the eye".
How about it jackass? What does the Hyde Amendment ban, make against the law, and not permit?
How about you low life lying scum? Do you have the guts to answer?
Would it be federal tax dollars being used to fund abortions?
Huh? Would it? Assh*le? Would it? You lying piece of trash.
God you people are stupid.
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 7:11PM
Hey ... disengenuous douche bag ... the Hyde Amendment? Seriously? Hyde Amendment my ass. It's a sop to those who think that you pull quarters out of your tuckus. It means bupkus. They spend MILLIONS of dollars and their business is aborting babies. It is not that tough to figure out. Even for a mental midget like you, douche.
The One Who Runs Like A Duck| 4.9.11 @ 7:26PM
You have showed your stuff, gayharp. I know why the right fears you. Ignore their laughing. You vomit up talking points like no other troll we have. Given your moron like IQ it is really quite amazing, kind of like a circus trick or something. I have a question. Why do gay guys care so much about abortion? I guess it makes heterosexual sex as sterile as what you do except for the nasty health effects. You make sure your boyfriend wears his condom. We can't afford anything to happen to you. Chevy Volt is the car of Planned Parenthood, baby. Not so good on the golf course today. Boehner is probably breathing easy.
Cousin Arlo Harp| 4.9.11 @ 7:30PM
Cousin Junior Harp gets poked by Lester down by the river, but it isn't in the eye.
That's how come Junior always talks about teabaggers.
Junior's known as The Low Hangin' Fruit Man around these parts.
Hanover| 4.9.11 @ 7:38PM
LOL. What a racist slimeball harp is.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 8:09PM
beebop| 4.9.11 @ 7:11PM
"Hey ... disengenuous douche bag ... the Hyde Amendment? Seriously? Hyde Amendment my ass."
Yes the Hyde Amendment.
It bans, makes it illegal, and doesn't allow the use of federal tax dollars to fund abortions.
And you scum sucking redneck racist bigoted right wingers lie about it to sucker the religious kooks to vote against their own best interest.
And they are dumb enough to buy it and it is hurting our country.
Hanover| 4.9.11 @ 8:31PM
Harp is a racist Nazi just like the evil bitch, Margaret Sanger.
Little Helen Keller Harp| 4.9.11 @ 8:47PM
What did Pop say ?
I can't hear & he won't buy me a hearng aid because Rush Limbaugh is my hearing impaired Mancrush.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 9:01PM
Little Helen Keller Harp| 4.9.11 @ 8:47PM
"What did Pop say ?
I can't hear & he won't buy me a hearng aid"
Noted. Great post.
Making fun of deaf children etched into eternity.
My sons friend is a C6 quad. Got any good put downs for him?
God you people are stupid.
Little Helen Keller Harp| 4.9.11 @ 9:10PM
Pop uses Me & other impaired, so He Can Play The Victim Card. He learned it from The Liberal Democrap Handbook.
Pop's basically A Trolling Negative Attention Seeking Smacked Ass.
Bein' Deaf is a blessing, because I don't have to listen to Him Play His Chronic Crybabying Victim Card.
Box Of Tissues Pop ?
Pop's An Agenda Crybaby.
Hanover| 4.9.11 @ 9:14PM
Pop's a Nazi too. His deaf daughter is frickin' lucky she made it out alive.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 9:16PM
Little Helen Keller Harp| 4.9.11 @ 9:10PM
"Bein' Deaf is a blessing, because I don't have to listen to Him Play His Chronic Crybabying Victim Card."
Cool. Keep em coming. My daughters student newspaper is getting more material every post of yours.
Modern conservatism. Mocking deaf children.
For the whole world to see. You must feel so very proud.
God you people are stupid.
Kodiak Jack| 4.9.11 @ 9:17PM
In reading the comment section over the past few weeks, I have wondered why Conservatives respond to to Jharp's shrill craziness. Just ignore him and let him dry on the vine.
Little Helen Keller Harp| 4.9.11 @ 9:26PM
Seeeeee !
Pop has a cynical habit of Using Me for His Own Cheap Political Agenda.
It's more important for My Daddio to repeatedly come to American Spectator & fight with Conservatives, than it is to leave Me out of His Political Agenda.
I didn't pick Him for My Pop. He was forced on Me.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 9:52PM
"I have wondered why Conservatives respond to to Jharp's shrill craziness."
Yeah right.
That shrill craziness of pointing out the Hyde Amendment bans federal tax dollars funding abortions.
Or the shrill craziness of pointing out that Obama cut taxes for 95% of us.
Or the shrill craziness of pointing out that planned parenthood saves lives and taxpayers dollars.
Or the shrill craziness that Warren Buffet pays 16% in taxes on his 45 million whilst his secretary pays 30% on her 60 thousand.
Or the shrill craziness that the GOP's plan for joblessness is to lay off a bunch of government workers.
Need I continue?
God you people are stupid.
Hanover| 4.9.11 @ 9:58PM
Sieg heil, Herr Harp!
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 10:13PM
Little Helen Keller Harp| 4.9.11 @ 9:26PM
Seeeeee !
Pop has a cynical habit of Using Me for His Own Cheap Political Agenda.
It's more important for My Daddio to repeatedly come to American Spectator & fight with Conservatives, than it is to leave Me out of His Political Agenda.
I didn't pick Him for My Pop. He was forced on Me.
*******************************************
Noted. Copied. And forwarded.
Got any more handicapped jokes?
Do you think you are posting anonymously? Really? Are you that f*cking stpid?
God you people are stupid.
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 10:20PM
Not all taxpayers get paychecks from an employer, and those who don't would not get the credit.
So Obama's statement glosses over a few important details about who would get "tax cuts " ( refundable tax credits) under his plan. If you're talking about everyone, it's 81 percent.
The Tax Foundation estimates that under the Obama plan 63 million Americans, or 44% of all tax filers, would have no income tax liability and most of those would get a check from the IRS each year. The Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis estimates that by 2011, under the Obama plan, an additional 10 million filers would pay zero taxes while cashing checks from the IRS.
The total annual expenditures on refundable "tax credits" would rise over the next 10 years by $647 billion to $1.054 trillion, according to the Tax Policy Center. This means that the tax-credit welfare state would soon cost four times actual cash welfare. By redefining such income payments as "tax credits," the Obama campaign also redefines them away as a tax share of GDP. Presto, the federal tax burden looks much smaller than it really is."
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 10:28PM
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 10:20PM
"Not all taxpayers get paychecks from an employer,"
No sh*t dumbass. I'm one of them. They are called the self employed.
"and those who don't would not get the credit."
Wrong again you f*cking idiot. The self employed got the same tax credit.
God you people are stupid.
Quit while you're behind you effing dumbass.
Cousin Arlo Harp| 4.9.11 @ 10:32PM
Ding, Ding, Ding !
There Junior Goes Again. He's Used His Daughter Three Times in A Little Over An Hour.
Res Ipsa Loquitur
Cousin Junior can't stop Using His Daughter, As A Pawn, For His Cheap Political Agenda.
The Fool Has Bested Himself.
Hanover| 4.9.11 @ 10:35PM
I feel sorry for Hitler Harp's daughter, but not because she's deaf.
Paul McGrath| 4.9.11 @ 10:45PM
Mr. jharp,
The annual deficit is 1.6 trillion dollars a year. It is becoming less and less possible that we are going to be able to pay this off. China and Japan are eventually going to say, no more, you're broke. When that happens, wow, there is going to be hell to pay.
Greece is going through a problem similar to the one we are creating. You can invest in Greece, if you wish. And you can get 12% interest by doing so. Would you? Why do you think this is? And would this be good when it happens in America?
You don't seem to understand this. Is there no spending you would cut?
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 10:46PM
You Can't Really Be That Stupid, Peter Principle Accounting Fraud.
They're referring to other sources of income.
In the United States, individuals pay income tax on the net total of all their capital gains just as they do on other sorts of income.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 10:51PM
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 10:46PM
"You Can't Really Be That Stupid, Peter Principle Accounting Fraud.
They're referring to other sources of income.
In the United States, individuals pay income tax on the net total of all their capital gains just as they do on other sorts of income."
Goddamn you are stupid.
What do you suppose a capital gains of 15% taxes?
Could it be capital gains?
You do not pay income tax on capital gains you f*cking dumbass.
Quit while you're behind.
Idiot.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 10:54PM
Cousin Arlo Harp| 4.9.11 @ 10:32PM
Ding, Ding, Ding !
There Junior Goes Again. He's Used His Daughter Three Times in A Little Over An Hour.
Res Ipsa Loquitur
Cousin Junior can't stop Using His Daughter, As A Pawn, For His Cheap Political Agenda.
The Fool Has Bested Himself.
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Really? Seriously? I brought my deaf daughter to this thread?
Thanks again for the material.
Noted. Copied. And forwarded.
You are defending the indefensible.
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 10:55PM
That detailed analysis comes come from the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, Peter Principle Accounting Fraud, Harp.
Cousin Arlo Harp| 4.9.11 @ 11:06PM
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding !
That's Four Times .
These Conservatives Will Just Hold Your Coat While You Prove The Point That You Repeatedly Use Your Daughter As A Cheap Pawn, In A Pathetic Negative Attention Craving Agenda On American Spectator.
Remember To Send A Copy To Your Tax Slave Master Obama, As Well As Your Wife And Daughter.
The One Who Runs Like A Duck| 4.9.11 @ 11:07PM
The use of the fake daughter gambit is lame, gayharpy. You have went to the bottom of the troll class now. We are the party of ideas. Oh well. Think on the Chevy Volt or a large wind farm, or maybe a high speed rail going to nowhere, or sending a terrorist to a country that will torture him, or 50 million abortions. These are the ideas that will inspire you. Your nastiness factor is very good. The profanity level is really good. Your pretend daughter would be very proud. In real life all you have is a daddy from which you will never get acceptance. Sad. Deeply sad. There is always golf though. Boehner must be beat. Cap and trade forever, baby.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 11:10PM
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 10:46PM
You Can't Really Be That Stupid, Peter Principle Accounting Fraud.
They're referring to other sources of income.
In the United States, individuals pay income tax on the net total of all their capital gains just as they do on other sorts of income.
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 10:55PM
That detailed analysis comes come from the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, Peter Principle Accounting Fraud, Harp.
*************************************
What you have posted is so f*cking stupid that I don't know what else to say.
Other than God help us.
Clint| 4.9.11 @ 11:29PM
You're An Economic Idiot.
Capital Gains are taxed as a form of Income Peter Principle Accounting Fraud?
Investors receive two types of income: ordinary income and capital gains. Ordinary income includes dividends and interest you receive. You have a capital gain when you sell a capital asset for a profit. Any asset you hold as an investment (stocks, bonds, real estate, for example) is a capital asset.
Try that Shuck & Jive on The IRS, after they stick Your Dumbass In Jail.
jharp| 4.9.11 @ 11:40PM
Clint,
You dumb f*cker.
Capital gains are taxed as capital gains and subject to the capital gains tax rate of 15%.
Income is taxed as income and income tax rates are marginal starting at 10% and topping out at 35%.
Seriously you f*cking dumbass. Quit while you're behind.
You ignorance serves no one.
Jack| 4.9.11 @ 11:41PM
The word sounds dirty coming from you!
Clint| 4.10.11 @ 12:01AM
Ha,Ha, Ha,Ha !
You're An Economic Shuck & Jive Buffoon.
Capital Gains are viewed by The IRS , as Income & The Tax Rate on Cap Gains doesn't turn Cap Gains into "Non-Income".
Aaand, You don't even differentiate between Short Term Capital Gains & Long Term Cap Gains.
Capital gains have an advantage over ordinary income: they're taxed at special rates. To qualify for these rates you must have long-term capital gains. Short-term capital gain is taxed at the same rates as ordinary income.
Nick| 4.10.11 @ 12:15AM
We all know that no one would ever have children with Jackass-harp. Somebody who would lie about having a deaf daughter is truly the lowest of the low.
Just like someone who would defend Planned Parenthood, founded by the racist, eugenics promoting, abortion loving skank Margret Sanger.
Someone who would do these things must also be a huge fan of Hitler and Pol-Pot, as they also wanted to get rid of the undesirables. And his hero would be the rapist, Bubba 'the pervert' Clinton.
He would probably troll the internet looking for children, like his fellow democrat perverts Spitzer and Berie Ward.
Eugenics skank Margret Sanger = Hitler = Pol-Pot = Bubba 'the pervert' Clinton = O'bama = Jackass-harp
Hanover| 4.10.11 @ 12:22AM
Hitler Harp's a perverted Nazi.
Hanover| 4.10.11 @ 12:30AM
Yuck. Bernie Ward is that fat perverted Liberal freak pedophile--but I repeat myself. He worked for Barbie "Call me Senator, General" Boxer right? Nasty losers all.
Hanover| 4.10.11 @ 12:31AM
Yuck. Bernie Ward is that fat perverted Liberal freak pedophile--but I repeat myself. He worked for Barbie "Call me Senator, General" Boxer right? Nasty losers all.
Hanover| 4.10.11 @ 12:36AM
Oops! Sorry.
Basement Cat | 4.10.11 @ 1:21AM
How many readers - whether or not they have pro-life sympathies - are thinking that jharp's mother should have had an abortion?
Patrick| 4.10.11 @ 1:32AM
so jharp you STILL havent told me how many people planned parenthood saved from cancer etc...
but we all sure as hell know how many people planned parenthood kills/murders.
damn you are a dumbass.
jharp| 4.10.11 @ 2:30AM
Clint| 4.10.11 @ 12:01AM
Ha,Ha, Ha,Ha !
You're An Economic Shuck & Jive Buffoon.
Capital Gains are viewed by The IRS , as Income & The Tax Rate on Cap Gains doesn't turn Cap Gains into "Non-Income".
*****************************************
Good one Clint.
Please continue to embarrass yourself, conservatives, and TAS.
God you people are stupid.
Clint| 4.10.11 @ 7:17AM
Duuuuuuhhhh
The Obama Peter Principle Accounting Moron Harp thinks Capital Gains aren't "Income".
Tell It To The IRS Asshat.
Q : Does a capital gain increase my income?
A: There's a vague notion out there that capital gains aren't income because they're taxed at their own special rates. Folks are hoping, perhaps, that capital gains won't count when they determine whether they can deduct an IRA contribution, or how much of their social security benefit is taxable, or how much of their exemptions are phased out, among other things. Unfortunately, capital gains are income. A special calculation provides the lower capital gains rate, but doesn't remove capital gains from your overall income (or adjusted gross income).
http://www.fairmark.com/capgain/basic.htm
Do Your Homework SmackAss ObamaBozo.
LarryK| 4.10.11 @ 7:50AM
Debt Jumped $54.1 Billion in 8 Days Preceding Obama-Boehner Deal to Cut $38.5 Billion for Rest of Year
Winning?
Cris Worth| 4.10.11 @ 7:51AM
The Democrats set a long term trap beginning last year when they failled to pass a FY2011 budget knowing the Republicans would do well in the upcoming election. Patiently Democrats waited for the Republicans to submit their budget sprung their trap with military pay hanging in the balance and achieved a resounding victory over inept bunglers. The continued funding of Planned Parenthood, NPR, etc. never in doubt provided smoke and mirrors concealing the ultimate goal in this sequence raising the debt ceiling. A few months from now the same people in the same conservative blogs wailing over the GOP cave in over the debt ceiling further splitting the Tea Party from the Grand Old Party.
martin j smith| 4.10.11 @ 8:17AM
Who is paying jharp to be on this web site. That is the only issue or thing I would say about him and ANYTHING HE SAYS.
HERE IS MY TAKE: THERE ARE CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE FUMING MAD AND WILLING TO GIVE UP THROW IN THE TOWEL AND LET THE SOCIALISTS RUN THE COUNTRY TO PUNISH THE REPUB LEADERSHIP. DO I HAVE THAT ABOUT RIGHT ? Let me say this about that!!!!!!!!!
Those people in my eyes are either jerks or phoneez and I cannot trust either type. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yes, you can disagree with the benefits and the priaise for Boehner. That is fine. But there is a war on andbnew battles looming over soon. We do not need DEFEATIST ATTITUDES. If you feel the need to push leadership further --go right ahead. In fact they may need a lot of pushing for this battle is nothing compared with issues such as the "debt ceiling",Obama Care and others. It may even help Boehner in his negatioating position one way or another if there is a great push !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. But I do not want top hear --orat least I will say I will ignore those who are not in the fight even if they they do not get exactly what they want.
LarryK| 4.10.11 @ 9:17AM
Martin,
I believe it is not a defeatist attitude. It is the realization that most of the "leaders" in DC (both parties) are not serious about solving the problems of the debt and spending. Case in point, the debt grew $58 Billion while debating cuts of $38 Billion. There are a few (very few) adults that are serious about addressing the problems but they are swimming against a Tsunami. Does that mean we give up? No you fight harder but the country is populated by a majority that have jharp's mindset. Remember Liberalism is a mental illness and the only cure is enlightenment and when you refuse the cure...
"We're doomed!" C3PO
martin j smith| 4.10.11 @ 9:48AM
Larry K--you shur as heckfire sound defeatist to me. Over and out.
martin j smith| 4.10.11 @ 9:57AM
Larry K--if what you said is so true then explain the 2010 elections AND more recently the election of apparently the CONSERVATIVE JUDGE IN WISCONSiN. Splain that if you can. So you reasoning does not follow--Like jharp posts, therefore the nation is of jharps therefore we lose. No sir, this is false legic. No siree--aint buyun it and I smell somethin phoney in it too .
Clint| 4.10.11 @ 10:23AM
The Tea Party has changed the dynamics of American Politics.
The 2010 Elections were The First Wave.
We are vetting Tea Party Candidates for The Second Wave 2012 GOP Primary Elections.
We are ramping up for The Tea Party Tax Day Rallies Across America.
We will hold The GOP Ruling Elite's Feet To The Fire, over & over again until they get it.
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Walk The Talk.
martin j smith| 4.10.11 @ 10:38AM
Clint: I agree with you and I think one job coming up is to a) Monitor and translate any Plan that Obama proposes to "cut the deficit" ( as Fox News Website stated. and b) To pressure big time the Repub leadership to respond to negative messages from the Socialists vigorously . As we well know they will pull the "we are reasonable you are extremists" line over and over again. It will not be amount reality it will be about messaging and that is all it will be. Unless Repubs take the fight directly them. That is where the Tea Party Comes in. There will be a need for Large scale demos in DC yet again.
Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 4.10.11 @ 10:40AM
Clint: I don't think Jharp likes you very much?Referring to you in this thread alone, he says:
teabaggers are stupid
Newsflash you dumb f*cker
you idiot
Clint you are f*cking idiot
you imbecile.
dumbsh*t
No sh*t dumbass
Wrong again you f*cking idiot
you effing dumbass
f*cking dumbass
What you have posted is so f*cking stupid
You dumb f*cker.
Seriously you f*cking dumbass
I think he wins the argument, because he curses and insults better than you do? No facts, No reasoning, No logic, No sense, but lots of curses and insults!! Pathetic isn't it, that's what it is!!
Clint| 4.10.11 @ 11:01AM
The Peter Principle Obama Accounting Buffoon Harp Job comes here lookin' for Negative Attention and gets all PMS'y & Angst Ridden when He gets what He asks for.
He's American Spectator's Resident Court Fool.
Clint| 4.10.11 @ 11:17AM
Aaaand We Tea Party Patriots Point Out That The Leaderless Leader Obama Is An Argument Against Himself.
" Five year ago, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., voted the exact way President Obama is now cautioning senators not to do.
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said on March 16, 2006. “Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership . Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.”
Obama Is The Peter Principle President.
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Walk The Talk.
Hanover| 4.10.11 @ 12:42PM
LLL, thank you so much for your reprise of Herr Harp's greatest hits.
I appreciate it.
I'm not defeated, I'm just getting started! We have to keep Boehner and Co.'s feet to the fire--no retreat no surrender.
What is our alternative? Move somewhere else?
JASmius | 4.10.11 @ 12:44PM
Since when is a win only a win when you shut out the other team and blow them out by six touchdowns? How is it not a good thing that the glass is two-thirds full? Since when is it tactically OR strategically smart to insist on throwing long bombs on every single down? Isn't it better to make sure we're moving the chains in the right direction? After all, we're still only in the first quarter, and there's a loooong way to go.
Also, how does it help the cause to kneecap the Speaker by accusing him of "selling out" social conservatives? How about we have realistic expectations about how much can be accomplished how soon and keep our eyes on the ultimate prize? How also about pointing out how seriously Barry and Harry caved, given all their recent chest-thumping bluster?
I'd argue Boehner did Gingrich one better by winning his government shutdown by pre-empting it. It was Newt's purist impatience that caused him to overplay his hand and lose the second shutdown confrontation back in '95. I was among those who thought we could win the shutdown PR battle, but if we could get most of what we wanted without a shutdown, why not?
You may not like Boehner pointing out that Republicans only control one half of one third of the federal government (actually it'd be more accurate to call it two halves of two thirds figuring the SCOTUS into the equation) but it's the current reality. Under those circumstances, pushing the fiscal bubble ~63% of the way towards their goal line and getting a couple of the "rider" items, and more importantly ***changing the paradigm*** from increases to actual cuts sure smells like a victory to me.
Besides - ***the game's not over***. It's only just begun. And there's something to be said for pacing ourselves.
Hanover| 4.10.11 @ 12:45PM
"Obama is the Peter Principle President." LOL!
It's true, Community Organizer suited his abilities best.
Wayne | 4.10.11 @ 12:47PM
I see Jharp has ruined the comments. I don't understand how he is allowed to say things like "teabagger" which insults ordinary people like my 91 year old mother. He should be banned from the site. Honest discussion is one thing. Childish insults quite another.
Wayne | 4.10.11 @ 12:52PM
As far as Boehner winning. I don't think so. Obama played him like a fiddle. He got Boehner to accept a fictitious budget as a starting point. He got Boehner to leave out military pay as part of a shutdown. He got Boehner to get most of the freshmen tea party members to vote FOR abortion. He got Boehner to vote FOR the man-made global warming nonsense. To boot he got the elevate Boehner as the voice of the GOP, the Boehner he has in his hip pocket. And the Belt-way republicans cheer.
Hanover| 4.10.11 @ 12:54PM
LarryK, it is NOT TRUE that Harp's mentality represents the majority in our country. Blue Wisconsin's stunning election results prove it.
We Conservatives have to do better at getting our message of independence, competence and integrity out there.
Hanover| 4.10.11 @ 12:57PM
Wayne, it was the first skirmish in a long war.
Don't retreat reload. Boehner and Co. are accountable to us and November, 2012 is coming up fast.
We need another massive Tea Party rally to show them we mean business.
Hanover| 4.10.11 @ 12:59PM
Sometimes I think Herr Harp is really a TAS writer hired to mix things up.
Diabolical but clever.
Tom| 4.10.11 @ 2:29PM
The BIG lesson this past week is that until Republicans are willing to shut down the government for an extended legnth of time, they will NEVER win a budget showdown with the Demoxrats.
And this would have been the prefect time to do it; the week that many Americans are dealing with their income taxes.
creeper| 4.10.11 @ 2:33PM
I ran screaming from the Democrat party in 2008, horrified at the corruption that had taken over. But if "social conservatives" don't get their noses out of my bedroom they'll drive me back into the fold.
Wayne | 4.10.11 @ 3:29PM
Hanover, I agree, we need a 2013 total victory to make real inroads, but Boehner missed an opportunity. Obama would have caved in a shutdown. When you see a path to victory, you must keep on the pressure. Now Obama goes back to being a "centrist", his goal. The GOP needs to put him on the liberal defensive. Since Boehner caved, I don't see him as leading any charge.
beebop| 4.10.11 @ 4:10PM
"I ran screaming from the Democrat party in 2008, horrified at the corruption that had taken over. But if "social conservatives" don't get their noses out of my bedroom they'll drive me back into the fold."
I felt the same way -- politically conservative and "socially liberal." As time has passed and the "this is what Amerika looks like" bunch have become more and more unhinged, I had to take a good hard look at my views and realize that I was a contradiction. I think you might want to reconsider where you really fall out. It is your decision either way, but you can't have it both ways. If you want a future for those who follow you (and I have no children so I have no dog in the long term hunt) that resembles what you have enjoyed, you must understand that the party is over. No one here is the least bit interested in what goes on in your bedroom. But. Birth control and other health care services are your responsibility. You pay yours and I will pay mine. And while we're here .... isn't 0bamacare supposed to be covering the issue of health care? Do we need to fight this straw man all of the time. And for the record? I am female.
Jo| 4.10.11 @ 4:17PM
You have no way of knowing if Obama would have caved. The Democrats were using the troops to blackmail the Repubs, and we couldn't let that happen.
We just have to keep up the pressure on our representatives. I have no intention of sitting down and shutting up.
martin j smith| 4.10.11 @ 4:33PM
May I make a modest proposal re: jharp ?
Do not respond to it. Thats all. Just do not respond, to it. Reasons ?--if you are a grown up you can figure it out.
Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 4.10.11 @ 5:14PM
Creeper: I ran screaming from the Democrat party in 2008, horrified at the corruption,... But if "social conservatives" don't get out of my bedroom they'll drive me back.
Well you sure do turn on a dime, now don't you? Seriously, Conservatives actually "do not" give a shi*t what you do in your bedroom, be it getting an abortion on demand, doing drugs, or taking it up the *ss, We "don't care"!! You're the one who has to live with the results of what you do, we don't!! But what we do care about is, having to be responsible for paying for what you do behind your bedroom door. Pay for your own abortion, if you can live with the memory of your child fighting for its life. Take drugs, and ruin your life, lose your job, destroy your marriage, end up in jail, or end your life prematurely!! Have unprotected sex, straight or gay, and catch a disease and die slowly!! I don't care!! It's your choice!! Just don't make me responsible for your stupid mistakes!! So go ahead, run back to the fold of the Democratic Party, if you can live with them. You sound like you have no principles at all, if you're ready to turn and run, over funding for Planned Murderhood (55 Million served, and counting), or some other social issue. If really believe that Conservative actually care what you do behind closed doors, then go back to the Party of Death, we need People who have principles, not People who cave every time it rains, and doesn't go their way. Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm being a little bit mean to your post, but then again, my A/C isn't working right now, and I'm cranky because I'm melting!! So suck it up Troop, drink water, and the sun will come out tomorrow, I promise!! But don't hold us hostage, or threaten us, that you'll bold over social issues, it makes you sound a lot like a Democrat!! And Democrats suck, in more ways than one!!
Jo| 4.10.11 @ 6:49PM
Take care, LLL. The desert sucks without A/C.
Occam's Tool| 4.11.11 @ 1:48AM
Ron Paul did not vote against the crap compromise. He simply DIDN'T VOTE on the most important legislation so far in this Congress.?!!!!!!!
Bachmann voted against it. Bachmann wants to run for President. The Tea Partiers have a NEW CHAMPION! Screw that traitor Ron Paul!
Occam's Tool| 4.11.11 @ 1:50AM
Martin,
you are absolutely correct. But I do love watching Clint and JHarp go at it. Kind of like watching Timmy and that other disabled kid have a fight on South Park, with JHarp as Timmy.
Tom| 4.11.11 @ 6:05AM
"You have no way of knowing if Obama would have caved. The Democrats were using the troops to blackmail the Repubs, and we couldn't let that happen."
Yes, and now that the Democrats know that this ploy worked once, they will be doing it again, and again, and again............
Kelly| 4.11.11 @ 2:19PM
No they can't--the Repubs took the issue off the table for the rest of the year. You need to pay attention.