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I am sure I am not the only one who shares Jim Antle’s skepticism about the Pew Research poll which has Mitt Romney as the favorite potential GOP presidential contender amongst Tea Partiers.
Take note of the wording in the poll. It reads, “Among those who say they agree with Tea Party movement, 24% say Romney would be their first choice, 19% say Huckabee, 15% say Gingrich, 13% say Paul and 12% say Palin.” One should also take note of the Tea Party question itself. It asks, “From what you know, do you agree or disagree with the Tea Party movement, or don’t you have an opinion either way?”
So what exactly does it mean when someone says they agree with the Tea Party movement? It could mean that they like the Tea Party’s positions on certain issues or that they like the fact that they are making their voices heard in the public square. But just because someone agrees with the Tea Party doesn’t necessarily make that person a Tea Party activist. I think there’s a world of difference between someone who admires the Tea Party from afar and someone who is intimately involved with the Tea Party.
There are few things that Tea Party activists hold in higher disdain than Obamacare. The idea that the architect of Romneycare has any resonance with Tea Party activists just doesn’t pass the laugh test.
It is also curious that Michele Bachmann, a big Tea Party favorite who now appears to be forming an exploratory committee for a White House bid, did not appear on the Pew list of possible Republican presidential candidates.
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Warrior | 3.24.11 @ 5:45PM
Romney and the TEA Party have as much in common as Barack Obama and the truth.
danny| 3.24.11 @ 7:36PM
warrior, couldn't have said it better myself. i'm sure like me and millions of others you see what is going on here already. it's the same old establishment b/s as always with the gop, it's romney's turn just as it was dole's turn etc. etc. they just don't get it and i guess they never will.
Real Republican| 3.24.11 @ 7:48PM
You honestly think that the "estsblishment" is manipulating this poll? I thought conspiracy theories were for liberals.
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 8:05PM
Who said it's a conspiracy theory? Sounds dead on to me, moron.
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 7:50PM
There's very little difference between Romney and Obama, except Romney has better hair.
LiveFreeOrDie| 3.24.11 @ 9:10PM
Better data here:
http://myteaparty.org/results/
Top 6:
Paul Ryan
Chris Christie
Jim DeMint
Michelle Bachmann
Allen West
Tim Pawlenty
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 10:11PM
Never Christie--he'a gun grabber who is soft on border security. Research him.
Alan Brooks| 3.25.11 @ 12:54PM
Mormon= business savvy...
in spades.
THAT is what it is about.
NoLib| 3.25.11 @ 1:12PM
I thought you Communists hated free enterprise. You gotta make up your mind, Alan.
CF| 3.24.11 @ 6:25PM
How do you define an "activist"? Are those the people that show up at Tea Party rallies toting semi-automatics and "Obama Happens" T-Shirts?
I don't really consider myself an "activist" or a member of the Tea Party "movement", but I sure agree with what they stand for - that Govt should be smaller, and we should have people running it that have free-market experience and half-intelligent ideas. And I most certainly believe Mitt Romney is the guy who can do that the best.
I sense a little bit of panic in this article. You guys just don't get it. The Tea Party was never about listening to Rush Limbaugh, or looking for Obama's Birth Certificate. The Tea Party, as Rick Santelli spelled out so clearly, is and always was about...ready for it?
SPENDING!
Michael L. Hauschild| 3.24.11 @ 6:37PM
“Spending” other people’s money, Taxed Enough Already. CF, you hit the nail on the head.
Jake| 3.24.11 @ 8:55PM
What CF said.
I supported the goals of the Tea Party prior to the election and
I would support Romney in 2012 without any qualms .
Liberty4Me| 3.24.11 @ 6:45PM
I’m a sign-toting, rah-rah Tea Party supporter. I’m also a sign-toting, rah-rah Mitt Romney supporter.
There is no one sharper than Romney on turning things around. No one tops him on economic matters, i.e. eliminating wasteful spending, tackling the deficit, being fiscally responsible, paring down government, and accomplishing more with less.
Anyone who really cares about our avalanching debt and getting America back on track should read ‘No Apology: Believe in America’ by Romney. The guy is impressive. And, smart.
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 7:54PM
Yeah, Governor Romney was so smart he created the RomneyCare paradigm that Obama used to create ObamaCare. Thanks, Mitt!
George| 3.24.11 @ 9:22PM
CF,Your memory is so short you must have been treated at a RomneyCare Hospital, Romney is a has been and had his chance to straighten up a State that is now headed the same way he is... down the road.
NoLib| 3.25.11 @ 1:48AM
Ouch! lol
Grzmlyk| 3.25.11 @ 11:50AM
Nice try.
No sign-toting, rah-rah Tea Party supporter in his right mind could also be a sign-toting, rah-rah Romney supporter.
That's like saying you spend time in your swimming pool because you like to be dry.
I was a Romney backer back when there seemed to be nobody else to support - right up until he got outgunned by Barney Fife - I mean, John McCain.
Romney is a go-along-to-get-along Republican. He may be a competent manager - although I'm increasingly wondering, since his victories in that arena are receding into the distant past - but he is not the guy to lead conservatism out of the wilderness.
Austin Henderon| 3.24.11 @ 6:53PM
If you look at emails and comments on the Tea Party Nation website, it seems like they despise Romney, frequently calling him a "RINO" and saying they can't let him get the nomination
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 7:56PM
It's true and some of the comments are hilarious!
They're laughing AT Mitt, not with him.
Jed | 3.24.11 @ 7:13PM
I consider myself a Conservative, Tea Party Republican. I value all of the things that Reagan stood for: economic strength, moral conservatism, and a strong national defense. On all three of these issues, I prefer Mitt Romney. I don't mean to say he is perfect, but I do think he has his principles and values in the right place, as evidenced by his family, and he knows how to turn troubled companies and political entities around. He both believes in a strong national defense, and also knows how to inspire good will from other countries, as seen in his international Olympic experience. Our government has grown fat and lazy, first under Bush's war spending (necessary or not) and now under Obama's redistribution of wealth schemes like ObamaCare.
Romney did have a health plan, but his 80 pages showed a lot more common sense than Obama/Pelosi's 2,800 page plan. New taxes were not necessary, and the only reason Massachusetts is suffering is they were already overspending on liberal causes and entitlements. I not only forgive Romney for RomneyCare, I admire him for the effort, and agree with his "federalist" position on the issue, which is that states should have the right to experiment, but that the federal government should not try to take a one size all approach, and that that would be unconstitutional.
If that is not enough, he has said that on day one, if elected President, he will grant waivers to all 50 states on ObamaCare, then work to overturn it through the Congress and Senate. Smartest, most practical, Tea Party-esque idea I've heard all year!
Mitt will have my vote and support, as a Tea Party Conservative, for 2012.
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 7:58PM
I can see the Mythbots have escaped from their cages! Nice try, but you're no Conservative, "Jed."
Ryan| 3.25.11 @ 9:39AM
Hello, Romney staffer!
Sheila| 3.24.11 @ 7:20PM
God, you all are sad excuses for "conservatives." People get the government they deserve. Decline and fall.
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 8:00PM
Sheila, Romney can't cure what's wrong with our country because he's part of the problem.
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.24.11 @ 7:25PM
He wears the wrong underwear. He can't win.
Michael L. Hauschild| 3.24.11 @ 7:28PM
The Governor of the Codfish State ain’t serving Tea Ken, he is serving cod liver oil and from what I read here he topped off some of these guys pretty good.
danny| 3.24.11 @ 7:42PM
ken, from one texan to another, his underwear is the least of his problems in my humble opinion.
Clyde| 3.24.11 @ 10:52PM
You're a bigot.
NoLib| 3.25.11 @ 1:49AM
Liberals don't have a sense of humor.
Real Republican| 3.24.11 @ 7:45PM
Aaron, it is what it is. The way the poll is worded is straight forward and honest. The teaparty used to be a broad-based movement aimed primarily at outrageous government spending and over reach of government power. I used to feel proud to identify with the teaparty movement, but now not so much. Activists like you who seem to think you are speaking for an actual political Party have turned me off. Mitt Romney has a record of reigning in govenment spending, holding the line on taxes, advocating a limited Federal government, and turning failing enterprises into thiving ones (ie. many businesses, Salt Lake Olympics, Massachusetts). After watching with frustration as inferior candidates who were propped up by teaparty activists, like sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell, very predictably went on to lose, I beacame uneasy with the candidates that the "teaparty" would give us. I still identify with the teaparty but I also want to nominate someone who can WIN. Mitt Romney is not 100% perfect, but he IS that man!
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 8:02PM
It's so disgustingly obvious you trolls are Mythbots. You're RINO phonies and it won't work.
We ran a RINO in 2008; how'd that work out for us?
Mike| 3.24.11 @ 10:56PM
Sam:
You're the phony. You just call people names when you have no coherent or cogent defenses. You're one of the dumbest Tea Party people I have seen.
Sam| 3.25.11 @ 2:03AM
Romney is a RINO and you're one of the most stupid RINOs I've ever seen--and that's saying something!
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:19PM
Romney is not a RINO. He's a "get-something-done" Republican. He doesn't always play it safe like the "platitude-preaching" Republicans we've seen in the past. He pushes forward with REFORM for a changing world.
Wake up Sam. The "olden days" are gone. We have to find new ways to solve problems.
Don't confuse your RELIGION with old conservative ideas.
Romney can take conservative principles and apply them in new ways to solve TODAY's problems.
His WAIVER idea was BRILLIANT! he should become President for that extraordinary idea.
If America fails to give the Senate to Conservatives, Romney will still undo Obamacare. Brilliant.
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 1:14PM
How long have you been working for Romney, Mike?
Ryan| 3.25.11 @ 9:40AM
Wow, probably the same staffer as before...
Jerry| 3.24.11 @ 7:46PM
I am a tea party member from the state of Tennessee, and a avid supporter of Governor Mitt Romney.. He has my vote in 2012.
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 8:03PM
Okay, sure, "Jerry" from Tennessee. Snort!
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:20PM
Romney 2012! Go Tennessee!
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:20PM
Romney 2012! Go Tennessee!
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 1:16PM
Tool.
Jerry| 3.24.11 @ 8:13PM
Sam WHAT does that mean????????
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 10:09PM
Are you asking me or "Sam" from Taxa2sh!ts?
Sam from MA| 3.24.11 @ 8:30PM
Sam, you seem to have a personal grudge against Mitt Romney. Is it because he's made hundreds of millions of dollars, raised a fantastic family, and has been a national hero and you haven't?
How DARE he try to pass health care legislation that was OVERWHELMINGLY popular in MA?
How DARE he save the Olympics?
How DARE he cut $1.6 billion in NET spending?
How DARE he balance the budget every year of his governership?
How DARE he fight tirelessly to elect Conservative and Tea Party candidates in 2010?
How DARE he promise a repeal of Obamacare?
Stop drinking kool-aid. Endlessly spamming comments about Romney being a RINO does not make you cool or influential.
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 10:08PM
Why do you Mythbots immediately rush to victim politics when someone disagrees with you? You sound just like a whiny liberal.
I don't like Romney because he's a RINO. If you don't like it tough luck!
Mike| 3.24.11 @ 10:53PM
Sam:
Romney is not a RINO. You're just a Romney hater who can't support anything he says.
Sam| 3.25.11 @ 2:01AM
Sadly for you my dislike for Romney is not personal. You are a different matter though.
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:22PM
Sam,
It would be different if you could actually DEMONSTRATE that Romney is a RINO. The worst part is you don't even know the origin of the word RINO! Pathetic. You parrot Sam. You don't think. You don't reason. You just parrot based on your personal biases.
Search deep Sam and you'll find that I am right.
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 1:17PM
RomneyCare proves Romney is a RINO. Only a mental midget would think otherwise.
LiveFreeOrDie| 3.24.11 @ 9:05PM
I think most of you missed the boat. The article pointed out at least one good reason among many why the poll was flawed. The fact is the Tea Party hasn't endorsed Romney or anyone else.
If you'd like to see a more accurate gauge of the the Tea Party favorites try here:
http://myteaparty.org/results/
Sam| 3.24.11 @ 10:10PM
We know the poll's a joke, that's the reason for all the ridicule.
Mike| 3.24.11 @ 10:58PM
Who would make the endorsement? Who speaks for ALL of the Tea Party?
A majority of Tea Party Patriots back Mitt Romney. There is your current endorsement.
This too from Rasmussen:
"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney leads the pack with the support of 24% of Likely Republican Primary Voters. Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, the party’s nominee for vice president in 2008, runs second with 19%, closely followed by Mike Huckabee with 17%. "
http://www.rasmussenreports.co....._and_palin
Sam| 3.25.11 @ 2:00AM
What's the date on that "new" poll?
LiveFreeOrDie| 3.28.11 @ 2:29PM
"A majority of Tea Party Patriots back Mitt Romney. There is your current endorsement."
You are a liar and a troll. Nice try moron.
Jonah| 3.28.11 @ 6:56PM
LOL! Pathetic Romney troll is a fool.
A conservative voter| 3.24.11 @ 10:12PM
I am Republican conservative and not the member of the Tea Party. We need a Republican candidate who is both fiscal and social conservative like former the late Pres. Reagan. They didn't have a Tea Party when Reagan was the President. My choice is former Gov. Tim Palwenty of Minnesota. He is better than Romney, Palin, Huckabee, Gingrich, Barbour, Bachmann, Trump, Cain, and Daniels.
Mike| 3.24.11 @ 10:59PM
What experience does Pawlenty have in turning around big problems?
Sam| 3.25.11 @ 1:59AM
At least he didn't saddle his state with PawlentyCare.
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:16PM
Yeah, what solution did he offer for HIS State's health care problems? There is the real question.
We don't need "do-nothing, platitude preaching, head-in-the-sand" Republicans anymore. Romney is the one that out paces them all.
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 1:18PM
RomneyCare is not a solution, if anything, it exacerbated health care problems in Mass! Stop pretending otherwise.
wodiej| 3.25.11 @ 8:07AM
None that I know of.
PALIN 2012
Yosemeti Sam| 3.24.11 @ 10:22PM
Romney?
LOL.
I think we've had enough of - SPIT and POLISH
politicians.
Prima facie evidence - BHO.
Mike| 3.24.11 @ 10:54PM
The very credible Rasmussen Group has Mitt as the leader too.
"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney leads the pack with the support of 24% of Likely Republican Primary Voters. Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, the party’s nominee for vice president in 2008, runs second with 19%, closely followed by Mike Huckabee with 17%. "
http://www.rasmussenreports.co....._and_palin
Sam| 3.25.11 @ 1:58AM
That poll was taken two months ago--it's irrelevant.
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 9:13AM
Only in your mind Sam.
Jonah| 3.28.11 @ 6:55PM
At least I have a mind, moron.
Clint| 3.25.11 @ 6:26AM
Ongoing Contract From America Tea Party Polling:
1. Rep. Paul Ryan 79 %
2. Gov. Chris Christie 77 %
3. Sen. Jim DeMint 73 %
4. Rep. Michelle Bachmann 70 %
5. Rep. Allen West 69 %
6. Gov. Tim Pawlenty 66 %
7. Gov. Bobby Jindal 65 %
8. Gov. Rick Perry 64 %
9. Gov. Sarah Palin 64 %
10. Newt Gingrich 60 %
11. Gov. Bob McDonnell 59 %
12. Herman Cain 58 %
13. Gov. Mitch Daniels 56 %
14. Sen. Rick Santorum 55 %
15. Gov. Mike Huckabee 54 %
16. Amb. John Bolton 53 %
17. Gov. Haley Barbour 51 %
18. Gen. David Petraeus 48 %
19. Gov. Gary Johnson 47 %
20. Rep. Ron Paul 47 %
21. Gov. Jeb Bush 46 %
22. Gov. Mitt Romney
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:11PM
Source?
Clint| 3.25.11 @ 12:37PM
http://www.facebook.com/contractfromamerica
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 1:20PM
That didn't take long.
Chuck| 3.25.11 @ 6:38AM
The Republican establishment and many TAS writers on this blog want Romney. Why? I don't know, maybe it's the GOP Roe v. Wade protection conspiracy. Romney would appoint justices in the mode of Souter and O'Connor unlike the appointments Palin or Bachmann would make.
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:14PM
Romney would overturn Roe v. Wade if he could and return abortion issues back to States.
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:14PM
Romney would overturn Roe v. Wade if he could and return abortion issues back to States.
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 1:21PM
Correction, Chuck: Only ONE writer here wants Romney and he works for the guy.
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 1:46PM
Chuck: have you check Romney's position on Supreme Court nominees> Go to his site and read up.
Palin and Bachman cannot win this cycle. We need Romney this cycle because of his expertise and the nature of the political climate at this time.
Whether we take the Senate or not, Romney will overturn Obamacare with his smart waiver and states will be able to opt out with no strings attached. The man is brilliant.
Sam| 3.25.11 @ 7:27PM
We don't believe Romney because he's changed his positions so many times. He's an untrustworthy flip-flopper.
Last I checked it won't be King Romney, so stop with the "smart" waiver BS. Romney's a hypocrite on government healthcare over- reach.
Mike| 3.26.11 @ 7:21AM
Sam:
No, you can't show that he's change his positions "many" times. He switched his political position on abortion one time.
And you checked with someone to see how would be President? Huh?
And, among all of the candidates, even among those who were criticizing Governor Romney, did they come up with a solution so brilliant? No.
Now, even if we don't win the Senate, we have clear path to dismantle Obamacare and ROMNEY is the solution provider. That's real leadership.
It is the Obama camp who claims that Romneycare and Obamacare are identical. There is no credible Republican or Tea Party candidate making the claim that Obamacare is Romneycare.
In fact, Newt Gingrich said this:
Newt Gingrinch responded to the critical view of Romneycare:
• Romney is firmly committed to repeal of Obamacare
• It’s not accurate or fair to compare Obamacare and Romneycare
• Romney vetoed many provisions of the Mass bill and Romney was overridden by Democrats
• The original Romney bill was better and practical than what the liberal Democrats did to it
• The Democrats overrode Romney’s original bill on a whole series of items
• The issue is not as clear cut as Tea Partiers think or the liberal media has made the issue out to be
http://www.knrs.com/onair/Rod-.....ycare.html
Conservative Think-tank = the Heritage Foundation responded to Romneycare:
– Heritage On Romney’s Individual Mandate: “Not an unreasonable position, and one that is clearly consistent with conservative values.” [Heritage, 1/28/06]
– Heritage On Romney’s Insurance Exchange: An “innovative mechanism to promote real consumer choice.” [Heritage, 4/20/06]
– Heritage On Romney’s Medicaid Expansion: Reduced “the total cost to taxpayers” by taking people out of the “uncompensated care pool.” [Heritage, 1/28/06]
Try again Sam. Your personal hatred of Romney doesn't translate into coherent and cogent arguments against him.
You're just a MSM parrot. Very sad indeed.
Jonah| 3.26.11 @ 6:49PM
You're a paid for Mythbot. You're pathetic.
Mike| 3.27.11 @ 12:51AM
No, I just like pointing our the parrots in the Patriot crowd. You're not a real Tea Party patriot. You're a Constitution Party wing-nut.
Jonah| 3.28.11 @ 6:54PM
Only Romney RINOs hate the Constitution--just like Marxists.
NVA Patriot| 3.25.11 @ 6:44AM
DARN - I MISSED this yesterday
Romney could not be further from the Tea Party Ideal in NVA than BO his awsomeness
Criteria required in NVA - someone with a fighting instinct more formidable than Sheep ...Scott Walker anyone?
wodiej| 3.25.11 @ 8:05AM
Is this a joke? Has to be....LOL
somnolence| 3.25.11 @ 9:17AM
Mitt Romney has been a successful businessman, has a lovely family, turned the Winter Olympics around financially, etc. Unfortunately, he has the albatross of MassCare around his neck. To me, that is much more difficult to explain away than Sarah's detractor who try to say she simply quit when her situation was more complicated than that. Since you can't have it both ways, I'll go with Sarah, although I did support Romney in the primaries in 2008. In fact I've narrowed my choices down numerically to Palin, Cain, Bachmann, and Santorum. The rest of the field are too akin to RINOS, and a few may have sympathies with the CFR. We've been there and tried that. I'm very much for a strong defense, and am pro-Israel, but anti-CFR, and very suspicious of candidates who are allied with members of CFR, as is the case of Daniels with Lugar.
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:13PM
I like Sarah. She's great. But, she get slaughtered by Obama and the MSM. We need a candidate like Romney that can pull votes away from Obama.
Romney will undo the Bush and Obama years quickly.
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 1:25PM
Wait until the Leftist LameStream Media turn their barrage on Romney; he'll fold like a wet tent. He spends too much time under his desk. He's weak.
You better not worry too much about the Independents; Romney's going to have a hell of a time pulling Conservative votes. Romney is disliked by many on our side.
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 1:41PM
Jonah:
The only Republican being hit hard is Romney. The MSM personally attacks Palin ever chance they get which hurts her politically as well. But she'll be ok in the end. She won't win a General Election, but she'll eventually triumph.
It is true that Romney had a very big problem among very conservative voters i nthe 2008 cycle. This was in large part to distrust generally among protestants due to his Mormonism, and was generally unknown, and because of his recent political position switch on abortion (Romney has always been pro-life personally.)
But the tide has changed for him. Take a look at the latest data:
"Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney has spent the better part of the last five years working to convince conservatives that he is one of them. And, if the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll is right, he’s done it.
Sixty percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents view the potential GOP presidential candidate favorably, while just 21 percent see him in an unfavorable light.
That’s an improvement from where he stood in early January 2008 – in the heart of the GOP primary fight – when 55 percent of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents viewed him favorably and 36 percent felt unfavorably toward him. And back in November 2007, Romney’s favorable score stood at 42 percent while 28 percent felt unfavorably toward him in Post/ABC data.
Perhaps more important for Romney as he gears up for a second presidential bid in 2012 are his numbers among the most conservative segments in the GOP. Sixty-eight percent of self-identified conservatives view Romney favorably; his numbers are even higher among the portion of that group who identify themselves as “very” conservative – with 71 percent seeing the former governor in a favorable light."
Romney is now being called the CONSERVATIVE DARLING. I think it fits.
Sam| 3.25.11 @ 7:31PM
There's nothing Conservative about Romney--that's just BS from you.
Your first sentence is an outright lie, too.
Mike| 3.26.11 @ 7:22AM
It's not "me" but millions of Americans who are showing high support for him.
Once again, either you can't read or understand English or your Romney hatred blinds you are every turn.
Do you always let personal biases cloud your judgment this way?
Jonah| 3.28.11 @ 6:51PM
How is Romney the "only Republican being hit hard?" Liar.
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 7:36PM
Stop using WaPo as a credible source for Conservative opinion. They are not and you look ridiculous.
Mike| 3.26.11 @ 7:24AM
WaPo isn't the "credible source." The POLL is the source that agrees with GALLOP, PEW, and RASMUSSEN.
How long have you been in denial about Romney's widespread appeal?
Jonah| 3.26.11 @ 6:50PM
WHEN was that Rasmussen poll taken again? Why won't you answer my question? Because you're lying again.
Mike| 3.27.11 @ 12:50AM
Jonah,
I think the question you are desparately grasping at here is whether or not the poll still reflects the sentiment of the folks out there.
Alow me to reassure you. It's still valid - more so NOW than ever before.
How do we know?
ALL OF THE POLLS SHOW ROMNEY 1st or 2nd. Further more, he's got high support or the highest support.
The support is GAINING in strength, not waning in strength.
Sorry Jonah, but like NoLib and Sam, you're just horrible at projecting this kinds of things.
Jonah| 3.28.11 @ 6:48PM
Looks like you're giving your opinion again instead of providing facts.
When was the Rasmussen poll taken again?
Jonah| 3.28.11 @ 6:49PM
What's the "GALLOP" Poll? LOL!!
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:26PM
Tea Party supporters pick Mitt Romney as top choice for President in 2012, Palin ratings slip: polls
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....z1Hd548ZpI
Clint| 3.25.11 @ 12:42PM
Ongoing Contract From America Tea Party Polling:
1. Rep. Paul Ryan 79 %
2. Gov. Chris Christie 77 %
3. Sen. Jim DeMint 73 %
4. Rep. Michelle Bachmann 70 %
5. Rep. Allen West 69 %
6. Gov. Tim Pawlenty 66 %
7. Gov. Bobby Jindal 65 %
8. Gov. Rick Perry 64 %
9. Gov. Sarah Palin 64 %
10. Newt Gingrich 60 %
11. Gov. Bob McDonnell 59 %
12. Herman Cain 58 %
13. Gov. Mitch Daniels 56 %
14. Sen. Rick Santorum 55 %
15. Gov. Mike Huckabee 54 %
16. Amb. John Bolton 53 %
17. Gov. Haley Barbour 51 %
18. Gen. David Petraeus 48 %
19. Gov. Gary Johnson 47 %
20. Rep. Ron Paul 47 %
21. Gov. Jeb Bush 46 %
22. Gov. Mitt Romney
http://www.facebook.com/contractfromamerica
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 12:53PM
At 46% among Facebook TEA PARTY voters, Romney is in great shape!
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 1:26PM
I feel sorry for you, Mike--what are you going to do when Romney loses?
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 1:32PM
Oh Jonah, I believe Romney is the best man for the job to turn around the country. He"ll push the country further right without alienating people. He'll PROVE he's right with arguments, proposals, bills, and then results.
But if Romney doesn't become the nominee, you'll see me cheering just as hard for whomever wins.
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 7:34PM
Romney has a problem with trustworthines:. A lot of Republicans don't believe a word he says.
Mike| 3.26.11 @ 7:26AM
Yes, some white Evangelical Conservative Republicans say this. But they don't have a rational reason for it.
This stems mostly from religious bias and nothing more. Pretty pathetic.
Jonah| 3.26.11 @ 6:51PM
You're wrong; most Conservatives say it and that's why Romney is in trouble.
Jonah| 3.26.11 @ 6:57PM
What's pretty pathetic is a man who pretends he's a good person has to lie to get votes. That's disgusting.
Mike| 3.27.11 @ 12:47AM
No, problem didn't have a problem with trustworthiness. He's always been "trustworthy" but there was the problem of bigotry and mistrust among some groups. But this is a perception problem.
Romney's overcome those in large part.
Jonah| 3.28.11 @ 6:43PM
You're wrong; Romney has been repeatedly caught flip flopping on the issues.
It's unfortunate Mythbots such as you have to play victim politics like liberals do.
Romney is weak or you would defend him on merit instead of trumped up charges of bigotry.
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 1:43PM
What are YOU going to do when Romney gets the Republican Nomination?
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 7:32PM
Nothing because it's not going to happen.
Mike| 3.26.11 @ 7:27AM
According to the polls and the money raising, you're wrong.
Jonah| 3.26.11 @ 6:52PM
Liberal rag polls don't count, moron.
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 1:27PM
Uh, 46% is Jeb's score.
Mike| 3.25.11 @ 1:30PM
Clint intentionally left off Romney's score of 46%.
Jonah| 3.25.11 @ 7:33PM
You lie all of the time.
Mike| 3.26.11 @ 7:25AM
Oh Yeah? Show us. That's a bold claim you can't support with facts.
I am confident that you just using 'name-calling' as a form of evasion.
Jonah| 3.26.11 @ 6:52PM
Lies lies and more lies.
Mike| 3.26.11 @ 7:29AM
Rick Santorum said of Romney:
"In a few short [months], Republicans from across this country will decide more than their party's nominee. They will decide the very future of our party and the conservative coalition that Ronald Reagan built.
Conservatives can no longer afford to stand on the sidelines in this election, and Governor Romney is the candidate who will stand up for the conservative principles that we hold dear.
Governor Romney has a deep understanding of the important issues confronting our country today, and he is the clear conservative candidate that can go into the general election with a united Republican party."
Thank you Rick! You are Right!
Jonah| 3.26.11 @ 6:54PM
That was 3 years ago, clown.
Mike| 3.27.11 @ 12:45AM
So, you're saying that Santorum has flip-flopped?
Jonah| 3.28.11 @ 6:44PM
Santorum is just responding to Romney's flip flops.
Mike| 3.31.11 @ 10:30AM
Joan:
Have you finished high school yet? Because your version of "I know you are but what am I" just got old.
Romney's positions have not changed since Santorum STRONGLY endorsed Romney for President.
It is sad that you have zero integrity. You'd rather sacrifice your integrity rather than simply calling out Santorum as a flip-flopper.
This is why you are just as empty (integrity) as the worst types of liberals.
Santorum flip-flopped for political gain and based on the polls, it hasn't worked.
You watch, once Romney is the nominee, he'll flip-flop again and claim that "Romney satisfied his concerns over Romneycare with his ideas on how to repeal Obamacare with an executive order."
Just admit it - you're a Constitution Party wing nut and abortion is the only issue that you vote on. Go ahead....
Jonah| 3.31.11 @ 12:24PM
Only Liberals disrespect the Constitution--and Democrat-lite dead fish Romney RINOs like you. Conservatives respect the Constitution and don't respect Romney RINOs like you.
You'll see. Just wait until the other Repub candidates start exposing Romney's hatred for the Constitution.
Mike| 3.31.11 @ 12:31PM
Joan:
More names without evidence. Figures. Why didn't Republicans expose Mitt in 2008? Lack of integrity again? More flip-flopping from those Republicans?
You're empty Joan - you don't have any integrity. You are a fake Tea Partier. You're a PINO. (Patriot in Name Only)
Mike| 3.26.11 @ 7:30AM
Romney was a Teapartier before the Tea Party was Cool:
• He balanced the budget four years in a row — successfully closing the largest deficit in history without raising taxes in Massachusetts, the bluest of states.
• His veto pen assisted in issuing over 1,000 vetos during his term as Governor, hundreds of those vetoes were on spending appropriations.
• Romney withheld giving the legislators permanent authority to create new committees or to grant committee chairs pay increases.
• After repeated attempts by the Massachusetts legislature to increase taxes in order to collect more revenue, Romney boldly declared, “The problem here is not revenues; the problem is overspending”.
In a new WMUR poll, his favorability among supporters of the Tea Party is strikingly high – 77 percent and far exceeds any other candidate. (New Hamshire)
“People hear Tea Party and think small government, and the small government message is something people in this state are raised with,” said Andy Smith, who conducted the poll as director of the UNH Survey Center. “Romney’s attractiveness here is because he’s philosophically attuned to most of the Republicans in the state.”
Jonah| 3.26.11 @ 6:55PM
Yes, the creator of RomneyCare was the first Tea Partier. LOL!
Mike| 3.26.11 @ 7:37AM
Tea Party and Romney:
On April 2006, Romney signed Romneycare into law.
On Feb 2, 2008, Rick Santorum endorsed Mitt Romney for President.
Rick said:
““In a few short days, Republicans from across this country will decide more than their party's nominee. They will decide the very future of our party and the conservative coalition that Ronald Reagan built. Conservatives can no longer afford to stand on the sidelines in this election, and Governor Romney is the candidate who will stand up for the conservative principles that we hold dear.
"Governor Romney has a deep understanding of the important issues confronting our country today, and he is the clear conservative candidate that can go into the general election with a united Republican Party.”
Did he say DEEP understanding and CLEAR conservative?
Romney was a Teapartier before the Tea Party was Cool (between 2005-2007)
• He balanced the budget four years in a row — successfully closing the largest deficit in history without raising taxes in Massachusetts, the bluest of states.
• His veto pen assisted in issuing over 1,000 vetos during his term as Governor, hundreds of those vetoes were on spending appropriations.
• Romney withheld giving the legislators permanent authority to create new committees or to grant committee chairs pay increases.
• After repeated attempts by the Massachusetts legislature to increase taxes in order to collect more revenue, Romney boldly declared, “The problem here is not revenues; the problem is overspending”.
In a new WMUR poll, his favorability among supporters of the Tea Party is strikingly high – 77 percent and far exceeds any other candidate. (New Hampshire)
“People hear Tea Party and think small government, and the small government message is something people in this state are raised with,” said Andy Smith, who conducted the poll as director of the UNH Survey Center. “Romney’s attractiveness here is because he’s philosophically attuned to most of the Republicans in the state.”
And how about that Jim DeMint - man of consistent values?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
And we can’t forget this little gem:
“One of the reasons I endorsed Romney [in 2008] is his attempts to make private health insurance available at affordable prices,” said Sen. Jim DeMint (S.C.), a GOP kingmaker.” Source: Thehill.com
“It just depends on how he plays it. For me, I think he started with some good ideas that were essentially hijacked by the Democrat Legislature,” Mr. DeMint said.
One of the most PROMINENT Tea Party Patriots called Romneycare “good ideas.”
Sam, you’re an outlier to Tea Party ideas. You’re more in line with Obama and the MSM.
Jonah| 3.26.11 @ 6:53PM
Troll spamming won't help Romney.
Mike| 3.27.11 @ 12:53AM
Exactly. That's why I don't "troll spam." You make the accusations and I disprove them with facts. have you supported a single claim yet?
So, far you've just "blown hard" and a few incoherent words dropped out. Try again.
Jonah| 3.28.11 @ 6:46PM
You haven't changed anyone's mind, moron. If anything, your silly posts have hardened opinion AGAINST Romney.
Dan| 3.29.11 @ 9:30AM
Jonah:
You are in the hate group and so you don't know anything about the swing group. I don't post anything for "you." You are irrationally tenaciously obstinate and unable to see reality. There is only a small minority like you who won't vote for Romney because you loathe him. You judge Romney based on your "principles" but you give a pass to others who have committed similar errors. You desire a form of conservatism, but you're unable to apply it consistently.
Jonah| 3.29.11 @ 3:07PM
Victim politics again. It proves you Mythbots are Liberals. I don't hate Romney but I do hate his RINO policies that are no different from Obama's.
I don't want another GWB or MCain because you RINOs have nearly destroyed the Republican party.
You're a paid political hack, I'm not--and that's what scares you. There are many more like me out here, and that's why Romney will fail.
Mike| 3.30.11 @ 11:30AM
Jonah:
You're an irrational whack job. Political hack? lol You are so clueless.
I am an entrepreuner with control over my time. I have facts. You have emotions. I have valid arguments. You have irrational rants.
There are not "many" more like you comparatively. There are very few like you. Most people live in reality and don't try to ignore it as much as you do.
No worries Libby, Joanny, or Sammy, your efforts are in vain. Romney continues to gain ground despite your attacks and the attacks of the MSM. That's very good news indeed, for the country at large.
A man of competence, courage, strength, and intelligence - Romney leads the pack.
Jonah| 3.30.11 @ 12:32PM
Of course you have time on your hands--you're on Romney's payroll. DUH! You're just a cynical, paid for political whore, nothing more.
The Tea Party doesn't want Myth, moron, you'll see. We own the Republican party. You'll see.
Mike| 3.31.11 @ 9:59AM
Jonah:
Haha... Sam, Libby, et al, what you can't handle is a regular guy refuteing and disproving your ridiculous claims.
It's just another symptom of your denial. You make up stuff so you don't to deal with the brute reality that your religious bigotry trumps all that you think and say.
The Tea Party in fact DOES WANT Mitt Romney. A majority of Tea Party Patriots want Mitt to win - and they will deliver.
Yeah.. "YOU" and your boys own the Republican party so much that we still don't have enough spending cuts yet?
Jonah| 3.31.11 @ 12:12PM
We don't have the Senate, moron. Kind of puts a crimp on passing legislation. Besides, at least they're fighting the status quo unlike you Democrat-lite dead fish Romney RINOs.
I read yesterday That Romney pushed for the individual mandate in RomneyCare. UH OH!!
That's gonna leave a mark on Myth when Conservatives find out. Myth is going to be skewered every which way when the true details of RomneyCare are exposed by other Repub candidates.
And no, silly goose. The Tea Party does NOT like Romney, and delusional wishes and dreams such as yours don't make it so.
Mike| 3.31.11 @ 12:37PM
Ronald Reagan is the author of the "mandate" and the Heritage Foundation worked with Romney on the mandate to make it consistent with Conservative values and Principles.
And you say, "once they find out?" What? It's all over the news, dingleberry (look it up).
You're in denial. You're living in a dream world.
Some "flip-flopping" Tea Party leaders have attacked Romney for the "mandate" and Romney STILL leads in the polls.
Romney still leads Tea Partiers and they ALL KNOW about the mandate.
The "DETAILS" of Romneycare have YET to be told, but those are going to help Romney immensely when all Tea Partiers find out that Romney vetoed the provisions that bloated ROmneycare.
Furthermore, it was ROMNEY who came up with the idea to repeal Obamacare with an executive order, not the Tea Party figure heads. (Who has the experience to lead? Romney)
A MAJORITY of Tea Partiers LOVE Romney and in the end THEY will trump white Evangelical voters.
All of the polls confirm this - you're just STILL in denial. Enjoy your wittle fantasy. (lol)
Dan| 3.28.11 @ 10:15PM
I have been watching this going back and forth and I am going to take another look at Romney.
Jonah| 3.29.11 @ 3:08PM
Dan, James, Mike--you're one and the same Mythbot troll. Don't pretend otherwise. Use deceit all you want--it won't work.
Mike| 3.30.11 @ 9:52AM
Jonah:
Dan and I are separate persons. Could it be that many people see your posts as absurd? I would think so.
Your claims all fall short. You can't support anything you say. You say you don't "hate" Romney and claim he is a RINO and that we don't need another Bush or McCain, yet you refuse to admit how Romney has GOVERNED.
Romney has GOVERNED more conservatively than Bush or McCain ever did. You just fail to admit that 1) the Heritage Foundation partnered with Romney on Romneycare to find solutions to MA's healthcare problems and 2) Romney would never propose that a "one-size" fits all universal health care plan for the country.
You tenanciously refuse to see those facts and so you claim Romney is a RINO.
You know that you are "NoLib, Sam, Jonah, et al." Who is the deceitful one? Who is the one who repeatedly makes bold claims that he/she can't support? You.
Here's some great news....
Romney leads in Michigan.
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/.....-michigan/
Mike| 3.30.11 @ 11:25AM
james who?
Mike| 3.30.11 @ 9:54AM
More good news
GOP Insiders Say Romney is Still Number One.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42324230/ns/politics/
Jonah| 3.30.11 @ 12:35PM
Mike, Dan, James, Idiot--whatever. LOL! What an absolute arse you are! Of course the RINO insiders like Myth--he's an elitist just like them.
But the elites aren't the majority so Government Insurance Mandate Myth is screwed.
Mike| 3.31.11 @ 10:10AM
Jonah:
I am just Mike. But I am glad that there are others out there who feel the same way that I do about you and your ridiculous antics.
Name calling isn't a form of refutation. I know that you think this might work at the bar, but in real life, name calling is a sign that you don't have an intelligent objection to Romney.
You take your cues from "others" and adopt their "language" without understanding the context or the implications of what they have to say. You fall prey to confirmation bias at every turn.
I know that you probably don't understand what I am talking about but other intelligent Tea Partiers, like myself, will understand.
Jonah| 3.31.11 @ 12:15PM
You're schizoid. First you trash the Tea Partiers then you claim to be one. Can't have it both ways, Bozo, and neither can Myth. Just wait another the other Repub candidates expose him for the fraud he is.
It should be fun to watch.
Jonah| 3.30.11 @ 12:39PM
Washington Compost, PEW, now it's MESSNBC--more disgusting liberal lies from just another liberal Myth Romney hack. Why would we let those freakin' commies pick our nominee? You are no Repub and neither is Myth.
Show me a CURRENT Rasmussen poll and we'll talk. Ancient polls don't count, moron.
Mike| 3.31.11 @ 10:24AM
Joan:
Pretending that that a RASMUSSEN poll (conducted two months ago and showing ROMNEY the LEADER) is not CURRENT, in political terms, is a form of denial. This denial shows that you're avoiding the real issue: there is no evidence to confirm your claims against Romney. There isn't a single bit of political proof that supports your views. I am quite delighted about that. You can stammer and stutter all you want... go ahead... rant and rave with your insults, name calling, and ignorant responses. I am STILL having the last laugh. (LOL!)
Romney is leading in ALL polls of those likely to run for POTUS despite the MSM daily attacks on him. (Love it!)
You can't point to a single candidate that is stronger than Romney to beat Obama. (Nope!)
If there was such a candidate you would be telling us all about him/her. (Where's your integrity patriot?)
Such silence confirms the irrational disdain you hold for Romney. (Are you just a silent dope?)
Jonah| 3.31.11 @ 12:19PM
There's no need for me to show support for a candidate; I just want to show everyone your candidate is a fraud.
That Rasmussen poll is three months old--that's an eternity in politics, moron. You prove Romney's support is weak by referencing irrelevant polls. Liberal garbage Pew, WaPo and MESSNBC--you're a joke!
Mike| 3.31.11 @ 12:42PM
You haven't shown Romney is a "fraud." You haven't supported any of your claims. (I have now called you out many times to prove your points but you just use name-calling. You're a wimp.)
Joan, you're like the little coward on the school yard playground who just calls out names, but whose little size and insignificant frame are not consequence for the school champion athlete. (Why are you so weak Joan?)
Like I said, your silence on a better candidate tells it all. (You're empty - no integrity, no cajones, no good ideas, no resume, no experience, no problem solving skills, just really stinky rhetoric.)
Beware Republicans! It's Joan the PINO! (LOL)
Jonah| 4.1.11 @ 10:11PM
Myth is a liar and a fraud.
Mike| 3.31.11 @ 12:43PM
Three months is an "eternity" in politics? LOL
You're so far up denial's ash, you have lost your mind.
Mike| 3.31.11 @ 12:47PM
Joan writes:
"We don't have the Senate, moron. Kind of puts a crimp on passing legislation. Besides, at least they're fighting the status quo unlike you Democrat-lite dead fish Romney RINOs."
Joan's Tea Party Promise: "We promise to fight the status quo - we are so mighty." lol
Mike| 3.31.11 @ 12:49PM
Joan:
Have all Tea Party candidates and winners in last year's election give up all federal subsidies to fight government spending?
Jonah| 4.1.11 @ 2:05AM
Mandate Myth is gonna stick and it's going to destroy Romney with the majority of Repubs. It's only a matter of time before the cover is blown off Romney's lies and deceit. Just wait until Newt and Pawlenty tear into Romney--it's going to get ugly.
Too Liberal, too weak and too compromised--Myth Romney doesn't have the stones to be our nominee.
Cut and paste and reference old and irrelevant polls all you want, Romney's time was 2008 and his time is past. Give it up and save yourself millions of dollars, Myth--and give your sick wife and the rest of America a break.
Mike| 4.1.11 @ 9:55AM
What's the matter Joan, can't address real issues in the Tea Party? You didn't answer my question:
HAVE ALL THE TEA PARTY WINNERS LAST YEAR GIVEN UP ALL FEDERAL SUBSIDIES?
As for Mandates, they are a cause for concern among extreme factions of the Republican and Tea Party segments. You're among that extreme faction and out of the mainstream Republican and Tea Parties and so, from your perspective you think its going to destroy Romney because YOU don't want Romney to win.
However, there is no political evidence that bears this out. You associate MSM attacks on Romney and Romneycare (and some criticism among those running for POTUS) that it actually resonates with voters.
The VOTERS want health care reform, they just don't want Obamacare.
Look Joan, you can't address these issues. I know that your position will not convince any intelligent voters because you can't even debate it without name-calling, ranting, denying, or sputtering. (You are weak, irrelevant, and done.)
Take for instance your claim above about Newt.
You claim that Newt will "tear into Mitt" but Newt when given the chance on CBN, he actually defended Romneycare.
He said:
• Romney is firmly committed to repeal of Obamacare
• It’s not accurate or fair to compare Obamacare and Romneycare
• Romney vetoed many provisions of the Mass bill and Romney was overridden by Democrats
• The original Romney bill was better and practical than what the liberal Democrats did to it
• The Democrats overrode Romney’s original bill on a whole series of items
• The issue is not as clear cut as Tea Partiers think or the liberal media has made the issue out to be
http://www.knrs.com/onair/Rod-.....ycare.html
That's not an attack, that's a concession.
Tim Palenty said on April 1, 2010 that he didn't want Romneycare as a Federal Plan, (neither does Romney) but said,
"Let's give Massachuseets [Mitt Romney] credit for what they did accomplish on the positive side - they expanded access to health care for those in need and that's one of the goals that we [Pawlenty] have as we try to reform health care, but this new era, we're also concerned about government debt at the federal level and the state level, and be mindful of the costs of these programs. I AM NOT CRITICIZING MITT ROMNEY - HE HASN'T BEEN GOVERNOR FOR [FIVE] YEARS. IF HE HAD BEEN GOVERNOR FOR THOSE ENSUING FOUR YEARS, HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN ADDITIONAL STEPS TO CONTROL COSTS."
You must be living in a cave Joan. The "matter of time" that you take about has already come and gone. And, as you can see, BOTH men had their chance to "tear" into Romney, but instead BOTH defended Romney from the MSM criticism of Romneycare.
You're zero for two again Joan. You are lousy at summing up politics in the past, present, and future.
All you have is name-calling and emotional rants.
I love showing the crowd how incoherent you look and sound.
{Still having the last laugh and loving it!)
By the way, coward, you failed to answer my question about Tea Party candidates:
HAVE ALL THE TEA PARTY WINNERS LAST YEAR GIVEN UP ALL FEDERAL SUBSIDIES?
Are you going to throw out all of the Tea Party candidates that took subsidies in the past?
Jonah| 4.2.11 @ 6:20AM
Bottom line--Romney signed the bill so he owns it. You're the one with no cojones, moron.
Jonah| 4.1.11 @ 2:03PM
Yes, Americans want health care reform but not government take-over of the health care industry.
ROMNEYCARE = OBAMACARE
Americans know what a disaster ObamaCare is, soon they'll find out the same about RomneyCare when reporters started crawling all over the huge fetid mess. Let the fun begin!
Romney's candidacy is dead in the water; he drowned under the lead weight that is ROMNEYCARE.
Jonah| 4.1.11 @ 2:05PM
Stop blaming the RomneyCare disaster on the democrats--Myth signed the bill and the buck stops with him. Besides, the democrats aren't running for POTUS, so the stink of RomneyCare is forever stuck to Romney.
And boy does it stink!
Mike| 4.1.11 @ 2:33PM
Joan:
I noticed that you TOTALLY IGNORED whether Tea Party leaders have taken federal SUBSIDIES in the past and whether or not they are STILL RECEIVING subsidies now.
You claim that you are a PURIST, and that you only support PURISTS, but when the question comes up, you run like a yellow dog. You have ZERO credibility and integrity.
The idea that Romneycare = Obamacare is a democrat party tag line. This is not supported by the Republican or Tea Party. Tea Party leaders do not claim that Romneycare=Obamacare. That doesn't even make any sense in English or Math.
Not that I am surprised that you can't think very well cogently and you certainly can't add; you can't even add the millions of dollars in subsidies that some Tea Party legislators. Where is your integrity?
Tim Pawlenty is the one who BLAMED the Democrats for not control costs. The facts that support this are 1) Romney's overridden vetos, and 2) Patrick Devals and Democrats ineptness that ruined Romneycare.
These facts are supported by Gingrich and Pawlenty.
If Romney is "dead" in the water, then why does a majority of Tea Party voters support Romney in the Nation's first Primary? New Hampshire?
You just like to sputter Joan. You make declarations arising out of your bigotry against Romney. You've already shown your hand. Abortion is your hot button... You're a PINO and you know it. You're a COnstitution Party member parading as a Patriot.
You lose Joan. Romney leads the Republican, Tea Party and Insider Packs.
So sorry Joan. (lol)
Jon| 4.1.11 @ 9:32PM
Myth might do okay in New Hampshire, but even that's debatable if Trump jumps into the race. Trump would destroy Rommey in the Northeast.
More bad news, Mythbot.
Mike| 4.1.11 @ 2:35PM
By the way, coward, you failed to answer my question about Tea Party candidates:
HAVE ALL THE TEA PARTY WINNERS LAST YEAR GIVEN UP ALL FEDERAL SUBSIDIES?
Are you going to throw out all of the Tea Party candidates that took subsidies in the past?
Jonah| 4.1.11 @ 5:38PM
It's amusing to see you throw out strawmen when you've been beat.
Distract, whine about victimhood status and cite irrelevant polls--none of it's going to work, clown. Stick a fork in the Mythster, he's done. LOL
Myth should give his sick, long-suffering wife a break and drop out of the race. He's not going to win the nomination anyway.
Jonah| 4.1.11 @ 5:46PM
Where did I say I'm a purist, Dumbass? You sound desperate, sweathog. LMAO.
Mike| 4.1.11 @ 7:17PM
Joan:
How could "I" be desperate when:
* Romney has a resume miles longer than the rest of the candidates.
* Romney has PROVEN himself to be a turnaround King.
* Romney has PROVEN that he can negotiate with Democrats to balance budgets and cut spending.
* Romney is the front runner in polls across the board.
* A majority (not your group) support Romney as the Republican nominee.
Based on the facts Joan, it is YOU who is desperate.
* You don't have any evidence that Romney doesn't have a chance accept your bias against him.
* No poll supports your assertions.
* You have no candidate that has the experience that Romney has.
Joan, you're the desperate one according to the facts on the ground. (I know there is a disconnect between the facts on the ground and the reality you choose to filter in your head.)
We don't need anymore INCOMPETENT rhetoric speakers in the White House. We need men who have PROVEN to turn things around.
Romney is the only man with that kind of experience.
When are you going to point out a man or woman that matches Romney experience? And if you can't produce a candidate, then you are shallow indeed. Your fight against Romney is irrational.
Jonah| 4.1.11 @ 10:10PM
Hey Mickey Mouth, I just read that little ole Michele Bachmann raised more campaign funds than the "Mighty Myth" in the first quarter 2011. Uh oh, more bad news for the Mythster!
Myth should drop out now--it's hopeless for him.
Mike| 4.2.11 @ 10:41AM
When Republican or Tea Party candidates raise a lot of money, it’s ALWAYS time to celebrate. Michele Bachman is a rising star and one that serious-minded folks are watching. But she’s not ready for a Presidential run. If she ran next year, the Democrats would slaughter Republicans for hypocrisy since Bachman doesn’t have much experience, less than Obama did when he ran. So, once again Joan you fail to grasp the meaning of the facts and how politics and governing work.
Politicians can raise money in a couple of ways. They can raise money through their declared campaigns or their PACS. Congresswoman Bachman initiated her reelection campaign and also has a PAC (Political Action Committee).
The MSM once again wants to belittle Governor Romney to make it “appear” that he has “presidential” competition. They want to slow down Romney, not because he’s a bad candidate, but because he’s a GREAT candidate, the ONLY one who can pose a serious threat to Obama nationally.
So let’s accurately compare Bachman and Romney at is relates to fund raising.
Money raised prior to 2011:
Campaign to Campaign:
Bachman’s congressional campaign 2010: 13.5 million
Romney’s presidential campaign 2008: 54 million
Money raised in 2011:
Campaign to Campaign:
Bachmans’ 2012 Campaign: $1.7 million
Romney’s 2012 Campaign: 0 (Not declared)
PAC to PAC:
Bachman’s PAC: $500,000
Romney’s PAC: 1.9 million
The true comparison is between their PACS: Romney raised 4 times as much.
Read the news reports and you’ll find that they don’t disclose the distinctions above.
As you can see, Michelle Bachman does not “compete” with Romney on any scale. What we see in the media is a trick. It’s a trick to make things appear larger than they are.
If we divide Romney’s 54 million by the numbers of quarters he was an active candidate, we see that he raised about 11 million per quarter. That dwarfs Michelle’s 1.7 million.
Mitt is the most competent, accomplished executive to ever run for president. The way to solve America’s problems is to elect superb executives to become presidents.
Take the time and know what Romney stands for, rather than the MSM or religious right’s caricature of him. http://mittromneycentral.com/on-the-issues/
Now back to the question:
HAVE ALL THE TEA PARTY WINNERS LAST YEAR GIVEN UP ALL FEDERAL SUBSIDIES?
Jonah| 4.2.11 @ 5:28PM
Another STRAWMAN ALERT!
Mike| 4.2.11 @ 11:59AM
Joan:
You said:
"Bottom line--Romney signed the bill so he owns it. You're the one with no cojones, moron."
No, idiot, from the LAST TIME, Romney doesn't sign anything into law that has VETO OVERRIDES. Those provisions are not OWNED by Romney, but 100% OWNED by the Democratically controlled MA house and Senate.
Governors don't sign bills into laws that have a 2/3 majority. That is the ENTIRE point of an OVERRIDE. Get it, nit wit? Are you seriously this dumb?
Furthermore, this was 7 years ago. Isn't this "old news" and not important anymore, just like Rick Santorum's endorsement of Romney in 2007?
You're inconsistent. That's another way to say you're intellectually dishonest.
And what about those Tea Party candidates that took MILLIONS in Federal subsidies before 2010, and the ones who CONTINUE to take the subsidies AFTER 2010?
You are a damn hypocrit Joan. You blast Romney for all of the parts of Romneycare that Romney wishes weren't there, and then you have nerve to give Tea Partiers a pass for LIBERAL actions of taking Federal money?
Pathetic.
Jonah| 4.2.11 @ 5:27PM
The handwriting's on the wall, Mickey Mouth.
When a newbie like Bachmann kicks Myth's ass in fundraising you know it's only a matter of time before it's curtains for the Mythster. I've warned you about the power of the Tea Party and the fact that Romney is despised by many Tea Partiers--and it's just getting started. Dummy.
RomneyCare is a self-inflicted fatal wound for Romney's future hopes and he has only himself to blame.
Socialized Medicine Mandate Myth--the political millstone that will drown any hopes for the Mythster. Sorry. Looks like you will have to look for a REAL job soon. LOL
Mike| 4.2.11 @ 7:14PM
Joan: (Pathetic PINO)
You have zero credibility when you give Tea Party legislators a pass on receiving and maintaining federal subsidies and then claim that the an insurance mandate is "socialized medicine."
Uh.. nit wit, it's illegal to raise money for a campaign that has not been declared.
But, I didn't expect an honest response from you. You have lost all integrity for the sake of holding on to hatred of Mitt Romney, which is highly irrational. Your kind of disdain MUST be fueled by religious bigotry - that's the only logical sense.
How does Romney's 1.9 million compare to Bachman's $500,000? It doesn't.
How does Bachman's 1.7 million compare to Romney's average of 11 million a quarter in his last campaign? It doesn't.
The MSM has added these two figures together for a cheap shot at Romney - that's it. Romney didn't campaign in the first quarter and GAVE Bachman her "moment in the lime light" of "raising money for both her campaign and her PAC.
Take away her campaign money and she doesn't come close to Romney's cash.
Take away her PAC money and she doesn't beat Romney.
But Joan, we know that you won't be honest about this - because at heart you're a dishonest, zero integrity PINO.
But about mandates. You say that the Tea Party is “powerful” and that we must all be warned. So be it. I am for positive change in the country, less spending, a balanced budget.
So, let’s hear the Tea Party solution, or the one you say is going to be better than Romneycare’s attempt at health care reform.
Here’s the challenge: Your State has to solve its Health Care crisis. Here’s the crisis.
1. Ronald Reagan signed into law that all people must be treated at hospitals through emergency rooms. This means that anyone can walk into a hospital and receive emergency room care, which is the most expensive kind of health care.
2. The GOVERNMENT (Tax Payer) picks up the tab for all of it.
Here are your options to solve the crisis:
1. Repeal Reagan's law and let people die. (without care)
2. Continue to let people get free EMERGENCY health care from hospitals at the Tax payer expense.
3. Require an individual mandate for insurance (states decide) that prevents free riders on the system and closes the deficit.
Now, there are many things can be done to encourage more people to get insurance. In fact Governor Romney has advocated to let people by insurance from out of State or to provide tax incentives for people to individuals and corps who donate money for the uninsured, or for those who save money for health insurance.
BUT EVEN THIS WON’T SOLVE THE CRISIS IN #1 and #2.
Now Joan, let’s suppose that the Tea Party secures a Republican control of the house and senate. Then what? The Republicans have ALREADY proposed mandates for the last 20 years. How will the Tea Party solve it?
If they can’t solve #1 and #2, then they will be the same kind of “do nothings” that are there now and within a cycle the Tea Party will be no more, if they don’t get results.
So, while you TALK big, you don’t have ANY WALK to support it. Unless the Tea Party candidate has a SOLID plan that will work to close deficits then they can kiss their “power” goodbye.
How do you think your favorite candidate will handle this in a national televised debate when he/she criticizes Romneycare and he replies, "ok, let's hear how you intend to solve the health care deficit at the State level?"
And your response is?
Jonah| 4.2.11 @ 11:42PM
The fact that Bachmann outraised Myth is a huge red flag for the Romney campaign. I don't know if you're privy to insider information, but that's not good news for the Mythster.
The Tea Partiers are starting to flex their monetary muscle. You're trapped in a Northeast RINO bubble and you're clueless about the truth of what's really happening out here in America. The Conservative wave's just starting, the tsunami is coming next. Just watch.
Mike| 4.3.11 @ 10:36AM
Sorry Joan. You lost the debate and with it you lose credibility.
As I have shown above, M. Bachamann didn't "outraise" Romney.
Hi PAC raised 1.4 million more than hers.
We can't compare campaign funds because Romney hasn't declared.
So, you can pretend all you want but Romney still has the upper hand.
You are content with "pretending." You are content with "denying." You are content with "ignoring."
The profile of the majority of the Tea Party is not what you think it is. The majority is for Romney.
You're in the "minority" of the Tea Party, hoping for a bigger seat at the table than you have now, but this is just a pipe dream.
People like you can't have a bigger seat at the table because you don't have answers. The only thing you bring is religious bigotry, irrational rants, and proposals that won't work for the American people.
Face Joan, you're a PINO. You're a Constitution Party nut job. The only thing you could be called, as it relates to Conservatism is an "ultra-right-wing Conservative."
However, this is NOT where the country wants to go.
The majority of us want Conservatism (which includes mandates) to be reestablshed in Washington and throughout the country.
Romney is the only one with the competence to do that.
There is no one else.
Jonah| 4.3.11 @ 5:13PM
The country doesn't want to go Left--2010 proved that. Romney had his chance in 2008 and he couldn't even beat old man McCain.
Obama will destroy him.
Jonah| 4.2.11 @ 11:53PM
Face it, Mickey Mouth--you and I want different things. You're a RINO and I'm a Conservative, but this time Conservatives will run the show.
Republicans and Independents are so freaked out by the Leftist disaster Obama has created, they're veering way RIGHT!
No mealy-mouthed RINO Mythster this election cycle. His time has come and gone, and it was 2008.
Mike| 4.3.11 @ 10:46AM
True, you and I want different things. You want ultra right wing social Conservatism to be the focus in America, where you talk fiscal conservatism but don't give a rats ash about it because it's only about Abortion.
In the end, you're a hypocrite.
You can't solve the health care crisis, you can only talk about repealing Obamacare.
Romney has the competence and experience to SOLVE the health care crisis and has proposed a solution to instantly nullify Obamacare the moment he steps in office.
You are not a Conservative -you are an ultra-conservative (Constitutional Party nut job) who is irrational and unstable.
There is no evidence that Romney is a RINO. IN all of his governing decisions, he's PROVEN that he's Republican and a conservative.
He Governed on the side of life in office and even his healthcare plan had the seal of approval from the Conservative Think-tank, the Heritage Foundation.
Joan, you just want to IGNORE the facts so you won't have to face the inevitability that your brand of politics won't fly.
You're a power hungry mobster. You believe in the power of the "mob" and not the people. You are like the Islamists who want to impose Sharia law on everyone.
You do NOT represent true conservatism, you represent your personal biases.
You're dishonest about your deepest held convictions.
You're a hypocrite - you give a pass to Tea Party leaders on federal subsidies.
You're a PINO - a Patriot in name only.
In spite of the multiple attacks on Romney, he continues to lead the pack and the only way you get around that is by lying, ignoring, and denying.
Sorry Joanny. But there are more of "ME" than "YOU" our there, and you know it.
So, enjoy your pipe dream all you wish.
Now back to the question:
HAVE ALL THE TEA PARTY WINNERS LAST YEAR GIVEN UP ALL FEDERAL SUBSIDIES?
Jonah| 4.3.11 @ 4:59PM
You're a delusional Northeast liberal RINO trapped in a bubble that prevents you from seeing the truth. Romney is too liberal to be elected in 2012.
Obama's extreme Leftist policies have forced the country to the RIGHT and that's bad news for RINOs like Myth.
Mike| 4.4.11 @ 10:29AM
I am from the west, vote for Republicans and helped put one of my Tea Party relatives in the House of Representatives. That relative is a Tea Party leader.
Jonah| 4.4.11 @ 5:18PM
You lie a lot, so I don't believe you. You're a RINO not a Tea Partier--just like the Mythster.
Jonah| 4.3.11 @ 5:04PM
We'll see who owns the Republican Party--I'm bettin' on the Tea Party. I know one thing for sure--RINOs like you and your boss the Mythster have nearly destroyed our country with your Democrat-lite policies and only TRUE Conservatives like me can save it.
That's why the Tea Party must and shall prevail.
Mike| 4.4.11 @ 10:30AM
A Majority of Tea Partiers are for Mitt Romney. So, I hope that segment of the Tea Party prevails.
Jonah| 4.4.11 @ 5:20PM
A majority usually does prevail, moron--hope's got nothing to do with it. You're lying again.
Jonah| 4.3.11 @ 5:10PM
You're a pissy elitist thug who thinks you're entitled to power. You're not, moron.
The people elect their representatives in our country, the elites don't appoint them. Just because King Myth was born rich with a silver spoon in his mouth doesn't mean he deserves the presidency.
You elitist RINOs have done a disastrous number on our country already. You're failures like the Democrats.
Mike| 4.4.11 @ 10:38AM
Joan:
You're suffering from a great many emotional problems. Please get help. Your labeling and name calling is irrelevant.
The issue is sound political argument of which you have presented none.
Romney doesn't believe that he DESERVES the Presidency. He believes and has PROVEN that he is the most qualified candidate to lead the country OUT of the mess we're in.
You can't point to any "RINO" Governing practices of Romney. "RINO" is just a label you've assigned to Romney so you don't have to deal with the facts of reality.
Deal with the arguments if you can or dare - otherwise you're the pissy little ignoramus who is just masquerading as a Patriot when really you are a religious whack job Constitution Party member.
Confess Joan. You're just a religious bigot who likes to use false labels because you're just too ignorant to make valid arguments.
Jonah| 4.4.11 @ 5:21PM
You're projecting your mental illness again. You have a terminal case of "Romneyitis."
You've hurled plenty of nasty insults, hypocrite.
Mike| 4.4.11 @ 10:18AM
Joan:
You just don't get it. Power comes through political solutions and name calling or labeling aren't forms of solving any problems.
You're criticism is inconsistent and your arguments are invalid.
The individual mandate has been a conservative stapel for the last 30 years. The Heritage Foundation approved of Romney's use of the mandate, not as "Democratic-lite" but as a CONSERVATIVE STAPEL.
How is the individual mandate any different than "mandating" taxes for Medicare and Social Security? These are ALSO forms of social insurance.
Medicare and Social Security are forms of social insurance that Conservatives have supported and funded for decades.
So, when you ask Republicans (and the country) to set Romney aside for the individual mandate, you're going to have an inconsistent argument that won't work, because Libertarians will then require that you set aside Medicare and Social Security based on the same principle.
Furthermore, liberals will unravel your arguments right before your eyes in the MSM for hypocrisy.
You're 100 steps behind Joan and you don't even know that there's a race.
Look, Romney is smart and aggressive. He's going to press any Tea Party candidate on these issues, and if they respond like you do, they are done.
But, I know something you don't. The MAJORITY of the Tea Party doesn't think like you.
They are for Mitt Romney.
Go Tea Party 2012!
Jonah| 4.4.11 @ 5:26PM
How would you know what the Tea Party thinks, Mythbot? You don't, that's why you lie about them.
The majority of Tea Partiers don't trust Myth because he's changed his positions so many times. Myth's poor standing with Conservatives is a fatal self-inflicted political wound.
GO TEA PARTY!!
NO ROMNEY RINOS ALLOWED.
Mike| 4.4.11 @ 5:59PM
The Majority of the Tea Party want Romney 2012.
Go Tea party!
Jonah| 4.4.11 @ 6:56PM
According to your favorite liberal rag poll, right? LOL!