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The Spectacle Blog
David Horowitz came to conservatism after rejecting one utopian ideology. He now writes that he is jettisoning another:
But whatever I wrote about the war in support of the democracy agenda, inside I was never a 100% believer in the idea that democracy could be so easily implanted in so hostile a soil. I wanted to see Saddam toppled and a non-terrorist supporting government in its place. I would have settled for that and a large U.S.military base as well. But I allowed myself to get swept up in the Bush-led enthusiasm for a democratic revolution in the Middle East. I remained on board until the Beirut spring began to wither and got off when election results in Gaza came in and put a Nazi party into power. That spelled the end of my neo-conservative illusions.
But that was in 2006, and it was the Bush administration that pushed for Hamas to be included in the elections. Why are we only hearing about this now?
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Occam's Tool| 3.23.11 @ 4:21PM
I dunno.
However, did you hear that the Sec of State equivalented Israel with the animals that cut off the head of a 3 month old today?
Alan Brooks| 3.24.11 @ 12:08AM
Bush WAS in over his head, and 2006 wasn't that long ago relative to Mideast "politics" (murderous maneuvering).
So you have to do better than Bush, if you want another GOP president-- you will will have to fully appreciate this and not continue validating your misplaced support for a 2nd rate POTUS whose father was Reagan's veep.
NoLib| 3.24.11 @ 12:31AM
GWB was Governor of Texas for eight years and Obama was a US Senator for about two years before each was elected POTUS.
If Pres. Bush was in over his head, Obama's at the bottom of the pool.
LarryK| 3.24.11 @ 8:50AM
If Bush 43 was second rate (and I'm no big fan of Bush 43) Then "GlowBama" has to be the south end of a north bound camel.
Alan Brooks| 3.24.11 @ 10:48AM
"(and I'm no big fan of Bush 43)"
But you admire Bush 41? because he was only in the WH for four years, and not eight? or perhaps because of his Disabilities Act of 1990?
LarryK| 3.24.11 @ 11:07AM
Alan,
Are you smoking weed? Too much acid?
Just because I said I'm no big fan of Bush 43 that doesn't mean that I am a fan of Bush 41. What the hell kind of logic are you using to come to that conclusion? Oh, I forgot, you are a LIBERAL and in your world logic, common sense, reasoning, and the truth do not exist. The only thing that matters in your world is the bile that is spewed by all the Lefties. I've seen your type all over the tube chanting inane slogans, "hey hey ho ho blah blah blah has got to go..."
But when a reporter asks anyone in the mindless crowd a question that requires 4 watts of brain power to form a coherent thought and an answer that can be understood, you get "Well FOX NEWS is biased" or some idiot screaming in an endless loop, "FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES..." What a bunch of mindless boobs and morons!
And Alan, here is a link to look up some of the big words in my post.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/
NoLib| 3.23.11 @ 5:22PM
Maybe Horowitz changed his mind; you don't seem to have a problem when Romney does it every other day.
Alan Brooks| 3.24.11 @ 12:10AM
And Romney is probably the best you have, Mormons are nobody's fools: they are well-off.
NoLib| 3.24.11 @ 12:26AM
You only like Romney because he's Democrat-lite and in most elections the voters will elect a real Democrat. Just like 2008.
Thanks but no thanks for your self-serving advice.
Alan Brooks| 3.24.11 @ 10:49AM
OR maybe you don't like Mormons, They are considered 'apostates', 'cultists' by some.
NoLib| 3.24.11 @ 3:47PM
Nah, I'm not a Leftist bigot like you.
Red Phillips | 3.24.11 @ 11:02PM
Moron's are apostates from the traditional Christian standpoint. This is not a debatable statement. They reject the historic creeds of the faith in almost every particular. They reject creation ex nihilo and reject the Trinity. They are not even monotheists. What more does one have to do to be an apostate?
Al Adab| 3.23.11 @ 5:25PM
The error of the neo-cons is simply the belief that peoples and nations are culturally or philosophicly disposed to Republicn or Democratic (n0t the parties) institutions. In fact, only those with traditions of independance or some pre-existing condition of self-government are even receptive to the concepts. Only the European Enlightenment paved the road and those who did not experience that era are left behind. In some ways this is similar to the Libertarian error which rejects concepts of moral absol;utes which governments must respect. While the Conservative Movement certaily should, and in fact does, welcome both to the ranks there remain subtle differences. In these days however, the bonds which unite us are much stronger than those which divide.
Red Phillips | 3.23.11 @ 5:32PM
Great, Horowitz is no longer a neoconservative. Now he's just a plane ol' interventionist.
Red Phillips | 3.23.11 @ 10:34PM
planeplainQuartermaster| 3.23.11 @ 5:33PM
The European Enlightenment plus the Protest Reformation yielded the foundation of modern wester civilization. By itself, the enlightenment could not have produced what we have.
Islamic peoples automatically reject the Protestant Reformation, and so do not have the foundation of modern western civ.
Horowitz has little ability to judge what is good or bad in modern society. He hatefully quit publishing Lawrence Auster, who dared commit truth on a breathtaking scale on Horowitz website when he pointed out Horowitz PC proclivities when it comes to the color of crime. He can deal with Muslim hatred only in terms of Nazism, when the foundations of Islamic hatred of Jews has nothing to do with Nazism, but is a conflict that goes back to the beginnings of Islam.
That people are just now hearing about Horowitz abandonment of the Neo-Con delusion is no surprise. The reality is the man is not intellectually stable because of his red diaper heritage. He hasn't the slightest idea where to stand or where to go.
Clint| 3.23.11 @ 5:46PM
Interesting.
Neocon Red Diaper Baby Horowitz lost interest once Our American Military Defanged Saddam.
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.23.11 @ 7:21PM
OKOKOK!
Dubyah gave the poor bastards in Iraq the benefit of the doubt. He gave them a shot at a decent life, while protecting us against Saddam who swore he would use his WMD for ten plus years if we invaded.
I think every reasonable person here is frustrated with W's mistakes......but I honestly believe they were honest mistakes any Christian might make.
W just never did quite grasp that he was dealing with Satan incarnate in Mohamed.
I have finally come to grips with that in my new novels. I hope you will read them.
Spicy Joker| 3.23.11 @ 8:50PM
Yeah, all the chumps on American Sphincter who defend Twit Romney ought to think twice before accusing David Horowitz of flip-flopping.
Jehu| 3.23.11 @ 9:27PM
Who cares. Neo-cons are two shades of red- Republican on the outside, Marxist on the inside.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.24.11 @ 9:19AM
R.I.P. Ed Hardy (2009-2010)
Please delete this guys posts, webmaster.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.24.11 @ 9:10AM
David isn't the only one. I didn't support the war back then because I was 20 years old and a progressive democrat/liberal. Then I did support it, and now I'm not so sure again. But you do have to recognize free and fair elections in Iraq. Still not sure it was worth it.
A good sniper could have knocked off Saddam.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.24.11 @ 9:18AM
I think some people may be confused.
Neo-Conservatism = "New Conservatism" = Conservatism with an emphasis on National Defense.
Personally, I kinda like a little backbone.
I just think we should promote and support OUR values across the world. What were we EVER doing propping up dictators like Suddam, Gaddafi, Mubarek, and the list goes on.
We sacrificed our values for short term solutions. This has led us to the burning world we see today.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.24.11 @ 9:25AM
Response to some of the comments about Romney:
I don't trust him by any means. But how many of you still have the same ideas on the issues as you did 3 years ago. A LOT has changed. If you're political views haven't changed in the last few years you need to check your pulse!
But with all that being said, I still don't prefer Romney, and he's not on my short list either. But maybe we should give him some breathing room for his ideas to develop like many of ours have.
Hell, Reagan, Bill Bennett, and Dick Morris all used to be democrats, but their ideas developed.
I think we hold people's feet to the fire a bit too much with all this "flip-flop" business.
Bo| 3.24.11 @ 10:07AM
I think a lot of folks got swept up in the neo-conservative moment. It felt like we were going to try something new. Staying out of it, siding with the enemies, and negotiating for peace with tyrants ended up with 9/11. Why not? I could understand somebody going for it then and then seeing the same result being disappointed. Personally, I think the jury is still out, though.
Clint| 3.24.11 @ 10:16AM
NeoCon Red Diaper Baby Horowitz is an argument against himself.
" David Horowitz argues that the increasing use of the term neoconservative since the 2003 start of the Iraq War has made it irrelevant:
Neo-conservatism is a term almost exclusively used by the enemies of America's liberation of Iraq. There is no 'neo-conservative' movement in the United States. When there was one, it was made up of former Democrats who embraced the welfare state but supported Ronald Reagan's Cold War policies against the Soviet bloc. Today 'neo-conservatism' identifies those who believe in an aggressive policy against radical Islam and the global terrorists."
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.24.11 @ 10:56AM
Exactly, Neo-Con is a compliment as far as I'm concerned.