Reports out of Cairo and Washington indicate that Egyptian
President Hosni Mubarak is relinquishing power and acceding to the
demands of the protesters.
If true — and we don’t know for sure yet that it is — this is
stunning and positive news. Yet despite some truly extraordinary
news coverage by the cable news channels, especially CNN, few
Americans have any idea who these protesters are. And so, an
incredible amount of disinformation has been spread about them.
Why, even here at
TheAmerican Spectator, we’ve had the very unfair
and unwarranted suggestion that the protesters are motivate by
anti-Semitism and a hatred for Israel.
But there is no real evidence to support this view other than
some anti-Semitic signs whose origins are in doubt, and which, in
any case, are hardly representative of the animating spirit of the
Egyptian uprising.
Indeed, for all we know, these relatively few anti-Semitic signs
were produced by pro-Mubarak thugs determined to discredit the
protesters in the eyes of the Western media.
That’s not as far-fetched as it might sound. Recall that last
week Mubarak unleashed his thugs into the streets of Cairo
precisely to inflict violence on the peaceful Egyptian
protesters.
And independent Western journalists, too, were roughed up, and
for good reason: by reporting to the world the truth about the
Egyptian protesters, the free media helps to sustain the uprising
while undermining the regime.
“I actually blame certain friendly nations who have television
channels,” said Egyptian Vice President, Omar Suleiman, on Egyptian
state television. “They are not friendly at all. [They] have
intensified the youth against the nation and the state…
“There are countless poisonous thoughts that are entering the
thoughts of these youths,” Suleiman warned.
CNN, thankfully, has been all over this story. Anderson Cooper
and Ivan Watson in particular deserve journalistic awards for brave
and intrepid reporting.
“Well, that’s the government’s line,” Cooper noted last night. “Their list of
culprits also seems to include Hezbollah, Shiites, agents
of Israel [emphasis added], and other sinister foreign
elements.”
But who, in fact, are the protesters? I think Fouad Ajami, a CNN
analyst, put it best. Ajami, of course, is a well known and well
respected professor at John Hopkins University’s School of Advanced
International Studies.
These are young people; these are good people, middle-class
people, orderly people. They’re not interested in anti-Americanism.
They’re not interested in Islamic fundamentalism. They just simply
want the normal life that they’re entitled to, and that this regime
is denying them.
Watson interviewed one of the protesters,
Wael Ghonim, a Google executive who has
since take a leave of absence from his employer to help lead his
country’s revolution.
Here’s what Ghonim
said after enduring 10 days of confinement at the hands of the
Egyptian secret police. (And please watch the
video for yourself, because Ghonim’s facial expressions and
body language demonstrate, I think, his and his fellow protesters’
sincerity and earnestness.)
Watson: Did you plan the revolution?
Ghonim: Yeah. We did.
Watson: What was the plan?
The plan was to get everyone on the street. Number one is that
we’re gonna start from, you know, poor areas. Our demands are gonna
be all about what touches people’s daily life.
Watson: There’s been a lot of speculation about
[the] Muslim Brotherhood being involved in this uprising. How would
you describe yourself and your friends who helped mobilize for the
first protests on January 25?
Ghonim: [The] Muslim Brotherhood was
not involved at all in the organization of this [protest.
The] Muslim Brotherhood announced that they are not going to
participate officially. And they said if the young guys want to
join — if their young guys want to join, they’re not going to tell
them no.
If you want to free a society, just give them Internet access:
Because people are gonna — you know, the young crowds are gonna,
are gonna all go out and see and hear the unbiased media.
[They’re gonna] see the truth about, you know, other nations and
their own nation. And they’re going to be able to communicate and
collaborate together.
Watson: Was this an Internet revolution?
Ghonim: Definitely this is the Internet
revolution. I’ll call it Revolution 2.0…
This is no longer the time to negotiate, unfortunately. We went
on the street on the 25th [of January], and we wanted to negotiate.
We wanted to talk to our government. We were, you know, knocking
[on] the door.
They [the Mubark regime] decided to negotiate with us at night
— with rubber bullets, with police sticks, with, you know, water
hoses, with tear gas, and with arresting about 500 people. Tanks.
You know, we got the message.
Now, when we escalated this and it became really big, they
started listening to us…
[Ghonim breaks down and tears up.] They [the Egyptian
protesters] were killed. They were killed…
And those people who were killed… did not really look
like, you know, they’re gonna attack anyone. They [the Egyptian
police] were just shooting them. They were shooting
them…
You know, a lot of the times… the policeman would stand on the
bridge and shoot people down.
This is a crime. This president needs to step down, because this
is a crime.
And I, I — I’m telling you I am ready to die. I have a lot to
lose in this life. I, you know, I, I, I work, or you know, now as
— I’m on a leave of absence.
[But] I work in the best company to work for in the
world. I have the best wife, and I have — I love my kids. But I’m
willing to lose all of that for my dream to happen. And no one is
gonna go against our desire. No one.
And I telling this to Omar Suleiman: He is going to
watch this. You are not going to stop us. Kidnap me; kidnap all of
my colleagues; put us in jail. Kill us. Do whatever you want to do.
We are getting back our country. You guys have been ruining this
country for 30 years. Enough. Enough. Enough.
I haven’t endured any of the torment that young Mr. Ghonim has;
but whenever I hear American conservatives run down Muslims, Arabs
and the Egyptian protesters, I feel the same way. Enough. These
people deserve our support — now.
One way Congress and the Obama administration could start would
be to pledge a $2.5-billion aid package to Egyptian civil society
elements to help initiate the transition toward liberal democracy.
The aid should be conditioned upon Mubarak stepping down and
contingent upon the establishment, at a date certain, of free and
fair elections.
The point of this aid package is not to “impose” democracy on
Egypt. The point, instead is to empower the Egyptian people, so
that they can chart their own path and select their own rulers. The
United States should be unabashedly on the side of liberal
democracy; and we absolutely should work to tilt the scales of
Egyptian power in that direction — now.
Take care in your victory lap, this situation is fluid. The road
from here to whatever the end will be is long and largely unknown
and unknowable.
If liberty is truly expanding that is a wonderful outcome. I
think the point you refuse to acknowledge is that the eventual
outcome may have little or nothing to do with who started this or
who the protesters in the street were but who eventually has the
reins of power. I hope and pray that the people of Egypt make great
strides toward representative governance and liberty.
We can do that and still be prudently cautious about others not
letting a good crisis go to waste.
Conservative Bob,
Hope and prayer are important; but they should be backed up by
tangible public policies and concrete actions. This to ensure that
our prayers are realized.
In short, Washington shouldn't just "hope and pray." Washington
should "act and do."
Not exactly sure I agree with the act and do just yet.
I think we should speak very forcefully for the cause of liberty
and warn against internal groups or foreign interests from
subverting the democratic aspirations of the Egyptian people.
However as I said much earlier in this discussion we do not hole
the levers of power in this country and this administration has no
strong voice for liberty if there is anyone there who has a strong
affection for same.
There is also the very real risk that our help will have the
reverse of the desired effect. We should first do no harm. Our
outreach to any group could be used by others to paint them as
seeking to preseve the status quo.
What exactly will the 2.5 billion by and how.. I am not in favor of
throwing money around to just show people we like them.
I agree. No need to send extra $ at this point when we don't
know the shape of the next govt. Mubarak will not go without a
fight if history teaches us anything. Whoever these men of the
street come up with to lead the country must be analyzed before the
US jumps back in bed with them. Provide all the moral support you
want but lets hold off on the monetary rewards for the overthrow of
the govt of a long time ally. Why does the author take all the
statements of the Google exec as gospel? To think Mubarak
supporters would infiltrate the ranks of the protestors with anti
Israel signs is a pretty weak assumption. The protestors (or
vandals if you prefer) have not spoken of their deep love or
acceptance of their Israeli neighbors; in fact they seem to hate
them and any Western ideas. The US should be very cautious from
here on out. You may not like what you get in the end.
So I googled "Egyptian Opinion Polls" and got this, from an
article at pajamasmedia:
"In Egypt, 30 percent like Hizballah (66 percent don’t). 49
percent are favorable toward Hamas (48 percent are negative); and
20 percent smile (72 percent frown) at al-Qaida. Roughly speaking,
one-fifth of Egyptians applaud the most extreme Islamist terrorist
group, while around one-third back revolutionary Islamists abroad.
This doesn’t tell us what proportion of Egyptians want an Islamist
government at home, but it is an indicator.
In Egypt, 82 percent want stoning for those who commit adultery;
77 percent would like to see whippings and hands cut off for
robbery; and 84 percent favor the death penalty for any Muslim who
changes his religion.
Asked if they supported “modernizers” or “Islamists” only 27
percent said modernizers while 59 percent said Islamists..."
So what islam-ignorant fantasyland are Americans in if they
think that the average Egyptian's view of "democracy" is the same
as our view? Lemme rephrase that, OUR FOUNDERS' view? From some
editorials and comments it would be wise for some folks to review
their local pre-9/11 koran to educate themselves on islam.
Not to mention but folks, WE DON'T LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY, or at
least it is not supposed to be one. We are a Republic. A democracy
is two foxes and a chicken voting on what to have for dinner. Or
how about two muslims and a Christian voting on what to base their
"democracy," the koran or a secular constitution.
"Shortly after Mubarak spoke, the supreme commander of the army
sent a text message that went to nearly every cell phone in Egypt
saying the military would have an important statement later
tonight.
Earlier today, an Egyptian army general waded into the jubilant
crowd of protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square today and told them
cryptically, "All your demands will be met tonight," leading the
crowd to erupt into a roar of cheers.
When asked by ABC News whether that meant that Mubarak would
leave office, Army Gen. Hassan al-Roueini only said, "It ends
tonight."
Actually the middle classes were not the protesters, the usual
bunch of agitprop riff-raff, but the pro-Mubarak demonstrators,
anxious not to have the economy wrecked by leftist/Islamists aided
by the international media. Fortunately Mubarak is standing firm,
and will hopefully hand over to Suleiman in September.
The other people praying AGAINST the protesters/radicals are the
Coptic Christians, the descendants of the original Egyptians, whose
lives are fairly miserable in a majority Moslem, majority Arab
country, but would be much worse if the Mubarak/Suleiman regime
falls.
We've seen this movie before in 1979; it's important to get a
different ending this time. America will not prosper by betraying
its allies, whether Britain/France in 1956, the Shah in 1979 or
Mubarak now.
You are clearly perpetuating the tiresome reactionary patterns
of
1) equating criticism of right wing Israeli policy with
antisemitism, when in fact the reverse, supporting progressive
Zionism is much better for the long term interests of the Israeli
people.
2) You made the incredible claim that the US has been "promoting
democracy in the middle east", which is a myth few would take
seriously today.
The debacle of this president’s administration is both a cause
and a symptom of the decline of American values. Unless Congress
impeaches him, that decline will go on unchecked. An eminent jurist
surveys the damage and assesses the chances for the recovery of our
culture.
The American Christmas, like the songs that celebrate it,
makes room for everybody under the rainbow. Is that why so
many people seem to be hostile to it?
Conservative Bob| 2.10.11 @ 2:58PM
Take care in your victory lap, this situation is fluid. The road from here to whatever the end will be is long and largely unknown and unknowable.
If liberty is truly expanding that is a wonderful outcome. I think the point you refuse to acknowledge is that the eventual outcome may have little or nothing to do with who started this or who the protesters in the street were but who eventually has the reins of power. I hope and pray that the people of Egypt make great strides toward representative governance and liberty.
We can do that and still be prudently cautious about others not letting a good crisis go to waste.
John Guardiano | 2.10.11 @ 3:02PM
Conservative Bob,
Hope and prayer are important; but they should be backed up by tangible public policies and concrete actions. This to ensure that our prayers are realized.
In short, Washington shouldn't just "hope and pray." Washington should "act and do."
Regards,
John
Oldefarte| 2.10.11 @ 3:11PM
......AND THE COW JUMPED OVER THE MOON, WHILE THE DISH RAN AWAY WITH THE SPOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Patriot| 2.10.11 @ 3:15PM
I'm just worried the Muslim Brotherhood will hijack the Egyptian protesters' movement.
Conservative Bob| 2.10.11 @ 3:40PM
Not exactly sure I agree with the act and do just yet.
I think we should speak very forcefully for the cause of liberty and warn against internal groups or foreign interests from subverting the democratic aspirations of the Egyptian people.
However as I said much earlier in this discussion we do not hole the levers of power in this country and this administration has no strong voice for liberty if there is anyone there who has a strong affection for same.
There is also the very real risk that our help will have the reverse of the desired effect. We should first do no harm. Our outreach to any group could be used by others to paint them as seeking to preseve the status quo.
What exactly will the 2.5 billion by and how.. I am not in favor of throwing money around to just show people we like them.
Flee| 2.10.11 @ 4:14PM
I agree. No need to send extra $ at this point when we don't know the shape of the next govt. Mubarak will not go without a fight if history teaches us anything. Whoever these men of the street come up with to lead the country must be analyzed before the US jumps back in bed with them. Provide all the moral support you want but lets hold off on the monetary rewards for the overthrow of the govt of a long time ally. Why does the author take all the statements of the Google exec as gospel? To think Mubarak supporters would infiltrate the ranks of the protestors with anti Israel signs is a pretty weak assumption. The protestors (or vandals if you prefer) have not spoken of their deep love or acceptance of their Israeli neighbors; in fact they seem to hate them and any Western ideas. The US should be very cautious from here on out. You may not like what you get in the end.
All American American| 2.10.11 @ 4:31PM
So I googled "Egyptian Opinion Polls" and got this, from an article at pajamasmedia:
"In Egypt, 30 percent like Hizballah (66 percent don’t). 49 percent are favorable toward Hamas (48 percent are negative); and 20 percent smile (72 percent frown) at al-Qaida. Roughly speaking, one-fifth of Egyptians applaud the most extreme Islamist terrorist group, while around one-third back revolutionary Islamists abroad. This doesn’t tell us what proportion of Egyptians want an Islamist government at home, but it is an indicator.
In Egypt, 82 percent want stoning for those who commit adultery; 77 percent would like to see whippings and hands cut off for robbery; and 84 percent favor the death penalty for any Muslim who changes his religion.
Asked if they supported “modernizers” or “Islamists” only 27 percent said modernizers while 59 percent said Islamists..."
So what islam-ignorant fantasyland are Americans in if they think that the average Egyptian's view of "democracy" is the same as our view? Lemme rephrase that, OUR FOUNDERS' view? From some editorials and comments it would be wise for some folks to review their local pre-9/11 koran to educate themselves on islam.
Not to mention but folks, WE DON'T LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY, or at least it is not supposed to be one. We are a Republic. A democracy is two foxes and a chicken voting on what to have for dinner. Or how about two muslims and a Christian voting on what to base their "democracy," the koran or a secular constitution.
Cato| 2.10.11 @ 4:34PM
Mubarak stays, sorry hippies.
Clint| 2.10.11 @ 4:55PM
"Shortly after Mubarak spoke, the supreme commander of the army sent a text message that went to nearly every cell phone in Egypt saying the military would have an important statement later tonight.
Earlier today, an Egyptian army general waded into the jubilant crowd of protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square today and told them cryptically, "All your demands will be met tonight," leading the crowd to erupt into a roar of cheers.
When asked by ABC News whether that meant that Mubarak would leave office, Army Gen. Hassan al-Roueini only said, "It ends tonight."
Martin| 2.10.11 @ 5:04PM
Actually the middle classes were not the protesters, the usual bunch of agitprop riff-raff, but the pro-Mubarak demonstrators, anxious not to have the economy wrecked by leftist/Islamists aided by the international media. Fortunately Mubarak is standing firm, and will hopefully hand over to Suleiman in September.
The other people praying AGAINST the protesters/radicals are the Coptic Christians, the descendants of the original Egyptians, whose lives are fairly miserable in a majority Moslem, majority Arab country, but would be much worse if the Mubarak/Suleiman regime falls.
We've seen this movie before in 1979; it's important to get a different ending this time. America will not prosper by betraying its allies, whether Britain/France in 1956, the Shah in 1979 or Mubarak now.
John Mclaren| 2.12.11 @ 10:10PM
You are clearly perpetuating the tiresome reactionary patterns of
1) equating criticism of right wing Israeli policy with antisemitism, when in fact the reverse, supporting progressive Zionism is much better for the long term interests of the Israeli people.
2) You made the incredible claim that the US has been "promoting democracy in the middle east", which is a myth few would take seriously today.