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The Spectacle Blog
With regard to my post yesterday on Senator Rand Paul and aid for Israel one reader’s objections drew my attention. He begins by stating:
So we now have it on record that “conservative” Aaron supports foreign aid to Israel. Thanks for making that clear. What’s next? Conservatives for tax increases and more social welfare spending?
I was not aware that supporting aid to Israel was grounds for expulsion from the conservative movement. If it was then there wouldn’t be very many conservatives left in this country. Besides as Philip Klein has made abudantly clear, Israel receives military aid, not economic aid from the United States.
The reader goes on to argue:
A person has to be either for continuing foreign aid to every country or for ending it to every country. To be for ending foreign aid to every country except Israel is obnoxious special pleading.
This strikes me as a rather silly argument. The question of foreign aid isn’t an either or proposition. Nor have I argued that we ought to end foreign aid to every country except Israel. I accept that our nation’s fiscal situation is such that we have to modify our national defense and foreign policy commitments. Yet that doesn’t mean we wantonly abandon them. To do so would be foolish, reckless and short-sighted. Fiscal crisis or not, the United States is still the world’s most powerful nation and we cannot pretend otherwise. Consequently, in order to maintain that position it neccesitates providing aid abroad be it of an economic or military nature. Of course, there are some nations that are of greater strategic importance than others and this has to be taken into consideration when determining how we modify said national defense and foreign policy commitments.
One must also consider the wholesale abandonment of foreign aid could very well do more harm than good. While it might help the Treasury it would also have the effect of reducing our influence abroad and other players would be more than happy to fill the void be they other nations (i.e. Russia, China) or non-state actors (i.e. al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood). Our efforts to recede from the world stage could very well compromise our national security.
In the grand scheme of things, it is one thing to reduce foreign aid to every country, including Israel. Yet it is entirely another thing to eliminate foreign aid altogether as suggested by Senator Paul. His proposition is penny wise but a pound foolish. I am optimistic that Paul’s Senate colleagues will recognize his proposal is wholly without merit and wisely reject it.
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C Bowen| 2.5.11 @ 6:52PM
Is sending money to foreign states or agents, Constitutional?
"I was not aware that supporting aid to Israel was grounds for expulsion from the conservative movement."
LOL--you have it backwards. Not supporting aid to Israel appears to be grounds to be cast out--should we do a history of the last 20 years for you?
Occam's Tool| 2.5.11 @ 9:58PM
If sending money to help foreign states is unconstitutional, then NATO certainly was.
Giveth unto me a break. There is a point in which these arguments reach the level of pilpul.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 10:22PM
Bowen's just another crank who rarely leaves his cave.
axbucxdu| 2.5.11 @ 10:43PM
NATO may or may not have been unconstitutional but since you raise the subject, it's not tedious to state that it has become an unnecessary burden. We cannot continue the charade of supporting not just NATO or Israel, but freeloaders all over the globe with money we do not have. And we do not have the money. This may be news to you, but we are broke.
Internationalists underestimate our economic problems and overestimate the kindness of strangers that loan us the cash to keep the lights on.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 11:06PM
I agree--we are broke. What I don't understand is why some people want to make Israel the scapegoat. That seems very unfair to me and makes me suspect their motives.
axbucxdu| 2.5.11 @ 11:34PM
NATO, Japan, the ROK, and Israel are all national security freeloaders. Worry not, I don't reserve a particular venom for any nation that gladly takes our borrowed money: I despise them all. What I dislike most though is our government's role as the financial stooge in all these "bilateral" relationships.
Warrior | 2.5.11 @ 11:13PM
NATO's argument will fall weakly under the common defense clause the same way making someone purchase a product is part of the commerce clause. Why avoid the Constitutional discussion? Obamacare is unconstitutional, yet we rationalize the existence of Medicare/Medicaid. The 400 pound gorilla in the room is entitlements. When Republicans had the chance to "reform" them, they passed and decided to double down with SCHIP and Medicare D. Instead of minimizing the Department of Education, they expanded its roll with No Child Left Behind.
Now Conservatives dismiss the Constitutionality argument of foreign aid. To simply state it's necessary is the same as Nancy Pelosi's "are y0u serious" response.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 11:21PM
You're wrong. We dismiss the Constitutionality argument if it only pertains to Israel. You're not reading closely enough.
mortimer| 2.5.11 @ 6:53PM
I'm afraid Rand Paul is just a damned antisemite who couldn't stay in his closet any longer. To betray Israel wouldn't not only be wong but it would cause a cataclysm that might wipe up the entire civilized world.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 8:26PM
Uh Oh !
An Israel Firster Poseur posing as mortimer.
You Chickenhawk Parasites can neither do your own fightin' anymore nor pay for it.
mortimer| 2.5.11 @ 9:36PM
the jewish internet defense force are pissed, ha,ha, AMERICA FIRST!!!!!! GET USED TO IT!!!!!! ron paul/rand paul 2012
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 10:21PM
Paul/Paul 2012? Now I know you're insane.
That's the best laugh I've had in days.
Ken (Old Texican)| 2.5.11 @ 6:54PM
Aaron,
sadly, many people cannot see beyond their nose.
Thank you for your thought provoking posts.
please contact me at sales@texassaidno.com
I would like to send you a review copy of my latest novel.
Floyd Looney | 2.5.11 @ 7:01PM
I am in favor of ending foreign aid to every country except in times of dire need for friendly nations.
Israel is one of those. Now is definitely dire.
On the other hand the idea that we don't send "economic aid" but "military aid" is stupid. Thats like we can give $700 million to Planned Parenthood and say we aren't funding abortions. It makes that much available from other funds for abortions, for certain.
I am also in favor of an end to all forms of corporate welfare and an end to grants to private organizations and NGO's.
Rich Fisher| 2.5.11 @ 9:57PM
Just once I'd like to see someone who mouths the words "corporate welfare" explain just exactly what that means. How many times should we tax a corporation to get rid of that term? We tax their earnings, then we tax their dividends, then we tax the property they build on, then we make them pay 1/2 of our Social Security Benefit, then we expect them to provide health care for their workers, then we burden them with OSHA, then we burden them with the EPA, then we burden them with Sarbanes-Oxley and the list goes on. Finally we have some moron like you who thinks that after bleeding them with all of that if they are still smart enough to make a profit, we need to grab that, too. Anything less and we are giving them welfare. Get a clue. Without corporations who would spend billions on research to find a cure for every ill man brings on himself? Who would spend billions on R & D to build cleaner engines, more fuel efficient cars and safer cars? Who would spend billions to bring the internet to your house? The cell phone? Your IPOD? Who would spend billions to make certain that our military has the absolute latest and greatest technology to defend us? Who would spend billions to build a network around the world to deliver a package in 1 or 2 days to anywhere from anywhere? (the USPS, please!). Who would spend billions searching for and finding and transporting and refining oil so you could live the life of ease that you enjoy. I'm really tired of people who are economic illiterates complaining about "corporate welfare". As we say here in the midwest, don't complain about farm subsidies with your mouth full of food. Take a class in economics and get back to us.
JimH| 2.6.11 @ 12:13PM
Corporate welfare is understood to mean special grants, subsidies and regulatory exceptions to large companies. Crop subsidies and the ethanol program being examples along with various programs to encourage solar and other politically connected industries . It also means special tax breaks available only to specific industries and sometimes written in such a way as to be available only to a limited number of companies withing an industry. It is sometimes foreign aid grants which can only be spent buying American products, usually of a military nature. It can also be in the form of special exemptions from the some of the regulations you cite. The CATO Institute, hardly a den of left wingers cites over 60 billion in what is termed corporate welfare in 2006. Despite the regulations you cite, corporate welfare does exist. The very regulations you named, while a burden to all business, weigh more heavily on smaller ones. Ideally all corporate taxes should be repealed along with all attempts at social engineering via taxation. Regulation needs to be removed or rationalized along with serious tort reform. Actions like this will go a long way to creating a fair and level playing field for all business, not just the favored connected few.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 7:55PM
This Pleading For American Taxpayers' Paid Foreign Aid To Israel Is A Scam.
"Israel’s economy is the fastest-growing in the West, the Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) reports.
Israel’s Gross National Product grew by 4.5% in the year 2010, according to CBS data and estimates – 0.5% more than had been expected. This compares with only 2.7% in the other 33 countries of the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD). Israel became an OECD member state this past September."
Rich Fisher| 2.5.11 @ 10:01PM
Well, that's all well and good but how many dollars is that? I notice when someone wants to use statistics to prove a point they make certain that the medium they use favors them. How many fighter jets would that buy to be used to keep Iran in check? My salary just increased 50% this year but I can assure you that would barely buy a good used car much less a multi million dollar piece of military hardware.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 11:14PM
Israel's GNP was $199.5 Billion at the start of 2010.
It grew 4.5 Percent in 2010. That's $ 208.4775 Billion.
axbucxdu| 2.5.11 @ 8:11PM
Yes, indeed. Here we have the first of many cost cutting proposals to come that must be "wisely" rejected by the sages of Washington.
Sean| 2.5.11 @ 8:30PM
I also think this is a scam. How is Israel a strategic ally? What benefit do we get for giving them billions in aid? What wars have they fought alongside us in? Israel has the strongest military in the region and can defeat every nation there in in a conventional or nuclear war without our aid.
Does aiding Israel cause destabilization in the region itself? Would Egypt be more stabilized without our aid to both Israel and Egypt? How about Jordan?
Finally the best question itself. Rand Paul has shown to be the boldest Republican in offering spending cuts. Why would Goldstein and other neocons come out and attack someone like that with racial huckstering? The simple answer is they are not serious conservatives. They have joined the Republican party not to advance fiscal conservatism, but to advance aggressive foreign meddling and wars.
Please tell us your background in politics Mr. Goldstein.
Rich Fisher| 2.5.11 @ 10:05PM
Sean, you just shot your own argument full of holes. Of course Israel has the strongest military in the area, which is a damn good thing for us. And just how is that possible? Well, I'll be darned, it's because of the Military Aid (foreign aid to you) that we give Israel. That keeps Iran in check and, yes, it even keeps Egypt at bay. Have you forgotten the two wars that Israel had to fight with Egypt in 1967 and 1973 just to stay alive? It most certainly is to our benefit to have a strong ally with balls of brass in the Middle East at whatever it costs us.
Sean| 2.5.11 @ 10:11PM
They definitely do not need foreign aid from us to keep it up. Israel has not given us any benefit. If they lost to Egypt in any of those wars the effect on us would be minimal. As for Iran they haven't attacked anyone in a long time in a conventional war and isn't a threat to us.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 10:20PM
Sean, wonder if your assumptions were wrong and Israel was wiped off the map--would you care?
Sean| 2.5.11 @ 10:43PM
I really doubt that will happen. IF anything ISrael will change from a Jewish state to Muslim through population pressures inside the country.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 11:02PM
You DOUBT that will happen? Small comfort for Israel, clown. You're dreaming if you think the Jews wouldn't be slaughtered en masse.
I really don't know if you're very stupid with a single digit IQ or just evil. Which is it, Sean?
Sean| 2.5.11 @ 11:30PM
Go look for Israeli welfare payments somewhere else bud. You socialist leeches are everywhere. Just like the welfare moms.
Morty| 2.6.11 @ 12:01AM
Yeah, but the "welfare moms" won't be slaughtered en masse; of course you already know that. Creep.
I'm not a Socialist, but you are a Nazi.
Sean| 2.6.11 @ 12:08AM
You are a socialist. I got your number bud. You don't give a crap about my country and don't mind us going bankrupt.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 12:18AM
Spoken like a true Nazi.
Sean| 2.6.11 @ 12:26AM
You just proved my point. Leftwingers are always calling us conservatives Nazis.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 3:05AM
But I'm a Conservative, so when I call you a Nazi, it's true.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 10:15PM
They never have an answer to your question. I cannot tell who is just an honest advocate for America and who is an anti-Semite bigot.
Why the focus on Israel alone? Why make Israel the scapegoat for our financial crisis?
Sean| 2.5.11 @ 11:44PM
Why are you neocon socialists attacking Rand Paul? You want to bankrupt my nation. You are no friend to the US.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 12:05AM
Where have I attacked Ron Paul, moron?
Oh, btw--OUR country is already bankrupt and only a bigot like you would blame it on Israel.
Sean| 2.6.11 @ 12:09AM
Only someone that doesn't care about my country would be attacking or defending those that attack Rand Paul.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 12:16AM
Exactly. I never attacked Paul. Making stuff up is for losers.
Our country doesn't belong to Nazis like you.
Sean| 2.6.11 @ 12:28AM
Calling people Nazi is the typical leftwing response to conservatives.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 12:50AM
Sean, call Moe-ron a CINO.He likes That.
Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha !
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 3:06AM
You're not a Conservative; you just hide behind it.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 1:03AM
" WASHINGTON (JTA) — U.S. Sen. Rand Paul wants to end all foreign assistance, including aid to Israel.
Paul, a Republican newly elected in Kentucky, was on CNN Wednesday outlining where he would cut the $500 billion in government spending he says is critical to sustaining the U.S. economy. His focus was on the departments of energy, education and housing.
Interviewer Wolf Blitzer then asked about foreign assistance, asking if he wanted to end “all foreign aid.” Paul said yes, and Blitzer asked him about aid to Israel.
“Well, I think what you have to do is you have to look,” Paul said. “When you send foreign aid, you actually [send] quite a bit to Israel’s enemies. Islamic nations around Israel get quite a bit of foreign aid, too.
“You have to ask yourself, are we funding an arms race on both sides? I have a lot of sympathy and respect for Israel as a democratic nation, as a, you know, a fountain of peace and a fountain of democracy within the Middle East.”
Blitzer pressed, “End all foreign aid including the foreign aid to Israel as well. Is that right?” he asked.
Paul answered, “Yes.”
Sean| 2.5.11 @ 8:32PM
http://www.canadafreepress.com.....Goldstein/
"Aaron Goldstein was a card carrying member of the socialist New Democratic Party of Canada (NDP). Since 09/11, Aaron has reconsidered his ideological inclinations and has become a Republican."
Is that you Mr. Goldstein? Another website mentioned supporting the Green party. I hope its not a mix up with another Goldstein, but you have written the same article.
mortimer| 2.5.11 @ 9:33PM
ha , the jews are posting with my name now, they have their beenies in a twist lol
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 9:44PM
I think I know The Poseur. The Punk is One of The Gutless Israel Firster Agendist Regulars here.
He tried to pose as you challenging me & I responded & then I caught on to His Poseur Scam in my next post.
We're on to him & His Poseur Scam now.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 10:17PM
And you took the bait hook, line and sinker, stupid.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 11:15PM
Get Bent Israel Firster Chickenhawk Moe-ron.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 11:18PM
Ya got schooled, doofas! Ha!
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 12:07AM
Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha !
The Israel Firster Wimp-Wuss Moe-ron is all gitty girlie giggly because an Israel Firster Poseur pretended he was Mortimer.
You wanna see "Schoolin' " Israel Firster Moe-ron ?
Watch What We Tea Party Patriots Do To Your Agenda.
You want War with Tea Party Kingmakers Jim DeMint & Sarah Palin endorsed Tea Party Senator Dr.Rand Paul and Tea Party Favorite Dr.Ron Paul and Their Tea Party Supporters, Bring It Israel Firster Moe-ron.
We want A Showdown.
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 12:13AM
Sorry, Clint*, the Tea Party doesn't belong to Nazis like you. You're just a boil on the Tea Party's posterior.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 12:23AM
Sorry Israel Firster Agenda Girl Moe-ron,We Tea Party Patriots don't belong to Foreign Nation Smear Campaign Agendists like You and The Foreign Nation of Israel.
You Israel Firsters Want A War with The Tea Party , So Bring It.
We're gonna Purge Your Traitor Asses.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 3:08AM
There are more of me than you. If anyone's going to be purged it's you and your Nazi friends.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 9:34PM
Interesting, this is the same Canadian.
Interesting, Neocons David Frum & David Brooks & Mark Steyn are from Canada,as well.
Occam's Tool| 2.5.11 @ 9:56PM
I don't pose as anyone else, Clint. Israel is a stable democracy in the Middle East with a competent army. Their intelligence services are second to none. They are a useful ally to us in dealing with Islamic extremism, which "dead in the water" and you vociferously support. Rand is an isolationist like his idiot father. His views on fiscal policy are useful. His views on international affairs, like yours, are worthless. You and Mortimer are Nazi scum.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 10:10PM
First, I wasn't talkin' about You, Israel Firster Tool Job.You had a pavlovian response to my post.
Second, Tell us why The Israel Company Checkpoint's Sourcefire Deal was scotched by C.F.I.U.S. just like Dubai Ports. Tell us about Israel Spies Ben ami Kadish & Jonathan Pollard and their Israeli Handler from The NYC Israel Consulate.Tell us about The Illegal Israeli Sales of U.S. Weapons Technology to The Red Chinese, Jeopardizing Our Allies Taiwan & Japan.
You're Up Israel Firster Tool Job.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 10:16PM
You sound crazier than Margie.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 10:25PM
Do Your Homework And Shut Your Pie Hole Moe-Ron.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 10:49PM
Tiny Timmie* changed his name to No-Cred Clint* to pretend he has some balls. Didn't work, weenie--Margie could knock your crunk ass out with one arm tied behind her back.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 11:27PM
Another Israel Firster Wimp-Wuss Girlieman Moe-ron The Chickenhawk pushing some Fat Ass Joisey Broad in front of him,while He hides behind her skirt.
You Israeli Firsters Can't Do Your Own Fightin Or Payin'.
Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha !
Typical Wimp-Wuss Israel Firster Mouth Fighter.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 12:06AM
How old are you? 15? Embarrassing.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 12:26AM
I'm old enough to recognize that You're An Israel Firster Foreign Nation Agendist,Moe-ron.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 3:14AM
Wrong again, bozo. I'm an American first, I just think it's terribly indecent to make Israel (or any other country) a scapegoat for our fiscal woes.
Israel's not to blame for our own irresponsibility.
Shame on you, you are beneath contempt.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 10:38PM
"Check Point calls off Sourcefire buy
Robert Lemos, SecurityFocus 2006-03-24:
Security company Check Point Software Technologies called off its planned $225 million acquisition of intrusion-prevention firm Sourcefire on Thursday, a week before a federal watchdog was scheduled to release a report which insiders say would have blocked the merger on the grounds of national-security interests.
Check Point, an Israeli company best known for its firewall technology that defends networks against Internet attacks, announced in October that it had signed a deal to buy Sourcefire, which makes security appliances for protecting a corporation's internal networks. The deal had been under scrutiny since February by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, or CFIUS, a panel made up of representatives from a dozen government agencies tasked with investigating foreign investments in U.S. companies that could affect national security.
Check Point had committed to an all out effort to lobby the committee for approval, but the process fell afoul of international politics following the public outcry over the failure of CFIUS to further investigate a proposed deal that would have given a Middle Eastern company control over six major U.S. ports. "
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 10:21PM
I just Noticed Israel Firster attempted To Play The Nazi Card on Me.
You're A Slandering Liar.
American Firster Tea Party Patriots like Me Trump You Israel Firsters,Tool Job.
Aaaand, You're a Fixated Sorry Assed Excuse For A Shrink To Boot.
Moe| 2.5.11 @ 10:56PM
I didn't used to think you were a piece of stinking Nazi excrement until you hooked up with prevert morty. Now I know you are. Dirty Nazi.
You and other anti-Semitic haters like you won't prevail because decent Americans reject your kind of garbage.
You repulse me.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 11:33PM
You're A Slandering Israel Firster Liar Moe-ron,
Your Israel Firster attempted Smear Campaigns are experiencing the same diminishing returns as Cryin' Wolf.
You're One More Gutless Chickenhawk Israel Firster AgendaGirl Creep runnin' your mouth & hiding behind your keyboard.
Sean| 2.5.11 @ 11:40PM
Clint, these guys are all socialist. You look at their backgrounds and they are members of socialist parties here and communist parties there.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 12:09AM
You're nuts. I'm a Conservative--you're Nazis hiding behind Conservatism.
Sean| 2.6.11 @ 12:29AM
Calling people Nazis is a typical leftwing response. You are showing your true colors Moe
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 3:20AM
I notice you didn't deny my accusation, Herr Sean. Why is that?
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 12:32AM
You're Israel Firster Agenda is Nuts, Moe-ron.
We're gonna make Ya Eat That Agenda Traitor.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 3:20AM
Put your tongue back in your mouth, you slobbering fool.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 9:54AM
Let's See Ya Make Me Little Nicky Wimp-Wuss From Detroit.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 10:49PM
Certifiable.
Clint| 2.5.11 @ 11:50PM
Sean, somethings wrong when we have these Canadian NeoCon Agendists masquerading as "Voices Of Conservatism".
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 12:11AM
So, according braintrust Clint*, we're all Canadian NeoCon Socialists now. You really are crazy.
It would be laughable if it weren't so pitiful.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 12:35AM
Read The Earlier Posts Moe-ron.
Try to keep up with conversation before you run your uneducated yap, Israel Firster Buffoon.
Sean| 2.6.11 @ 12:30AM
Your right Clint. Take a look a Moe. He comes here and starts calling everyone a Nazi. Where do we see such behavior? That is right out of the leftwing play book.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 12:40AM
This is The Moe-ron's Attempted Israel Firster's Version Of Playin' Of The Race Card.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 3:23AM
Everyone? No, just you and Clint. Don't try to shrug responsibility for your ugliness.
You don'y deny that you're a Nazi, so that's a tacit admission on your part.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 9:57AM
Israel Firster CINO Little Nicky From Detroit Is Up Late Attempting To Play The Nazi Card .
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 10:49PM
If the name fits wear it, moron.
Pete2| 2.5.11 @ 11:53PM
The reason for supporting NATO has long passed but Isreal is a different story. Call it a strategic investment if you will. NATO was founded as a defense against Soviet imperialism after WWII. Isreal is our only trust worthy ally in the mideast. Rand Paul is a complete idiot if he believes everything he espouses.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 12:15AM
Israel Spies Ben ami Kadish & Jonathan Pollard & Their Israeli Handler in The NYC Israel Consulate, Illegal Israeli Sales of U.S. Weapons Technology to The Red Chinese, jeopardizing Our Allies Taiwan & Japan, Israel Intelligence withholding Intel to U.S. Intelligence about The Mercedes Truck with the false bottom filled with explosives they were tracking, getting Our Marines blown to hell in their barracks in Beirut.
Who's Your Buddies ?
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 12:22AM
You gotta make up your mind, Clint*! We're either Canadian Socialists here who want the destruction of America or Israeli spies responsible for the murder of American soldiers.
Which is it, Einstein? OOPS!! I better not bring the brilliant man's name up because he was a Jew.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 12:42AM
Asked & Answered above Moe-ron.
Ya gotta do better than that Israel Firster AgendaGirl.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 3:24AM
Weak, You just mailed it in, clown.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 9:58AM
Asked & Answered Asshat.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 1:11AM
"To the extent foreign aid should even exist the sole question that matters is whether it is being spent in a manner that advances and protects the interests of the United States. That’s all. Despite what groups like AIPAC may say, it isn’t the job of legislators on Capitol Hill to worry about the interests of Israel.
In this case, Senator Paul is making an argument that others have made recently; namely that it isn’t at all in the interests of the United States to be spending money that we don’t have and, if we’re going to cut spending (which we have to do) then it makes sense to start with money that is going to nations that can afford to pay for their own defense. This doesn’t just mean Israel, but the countless other nations around the world who are living without the worries of a defense budget thanks to a U.S. military umbrella that they don’t contribute to financially. The gravy train is over folks, you’re going to have to do a little more to take care of yourselves from now on."
mortimer| 2.6.11 @ 1:26AM
malcolm gladwell would call 2011 the year americansreached the "tipping point" with the "jewish problem in america. AMERICA FIRST!! GET USED TO IT!!!!!
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 3:42AM
The Jewish problem? Really? Care to share with us your "solution" to this problem? Are you really so obtuse that you can't see you're a caricature of every evil Nazi we've read about since WWII? You even use the same terminology.
It's not appealing, dude. Honest.
There's a difference between a patriotic American and an anti-Semite. You, Sean and Clint are the latter.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 10:14AM
Now Little Nicky From Detroit Attempts To Play The Anti-Semite Card On Tea Party Patriots.
There Ain't No "We" CINO Poseur Boy.
There Are You Foreign Nation Agendists Crybabying Because Our Tea Party Senator Dr.Rand Paul Dared To Put Foreign Aid On The Deficit Spending Chopping Block.
You Wanna Get It On With The Tea Party, Bring It Israel Firster Traitor Little Nicky.
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 10:53PM
Anti-Semite? Nah, you losers sound like full blown Nazis. Without the balls.
Ken (Old Texican)| 2.6.11 @ 8:45AM
Moe,
Hi. You can't ever get the last word with Tim* Clint.
He got so stupid a while back, that he had to change his name and e-mail address to come back here.
Oh...by the way...his last word is always "neener neener neener"
(like a kindegarten kid heh, silly name-calling is how he always finishes up.)
The only thoughtful posts he makes are copy/pastes from someone else.
You really are wasting your time on him.
If you back him into a logical corner, he just drags out the Pollard affair or the accidental bombing of that US Navy ship.
Those of us who have been here for a while have seen his disparagemet of Israel sneak out in public ...oops.
Now he usually hides his anti-Jew bias behind "oh so reasonable" tirades Heh ...between name calling episodes.
I usually just yawn and scroll down.
Sean| 2.6.11 @ 10:02AM
There was no accidental bombing of a US Navy ship. Go ask the men of the USS Liberty about the deliberate attack on them. You are an Israeli Firster if you believe the government cover up over our own fighting men.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 11:01AM
Sean, We American Tea Party Patriots Support The Men Of The U.S.S. Liberty.
http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/#
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 12:17PM
A Report:
War Crimes Committed Against U.S. Military Personnel, June 8, 1967
Submitted to the Secretary of the Army in his capacity as Executive Agent for the Secretary of Defense, June 8, 2005.
http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm
BD57| 2.6.11 @ 5:02PM
Why i the world do you think name-calling is an "argument"?
Name calling is the refuge of exhausted intellect - try not to tire so easily.
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 10:53AM
Uh Oh ! Little Nicky The CINO from The Detroit Suburbs Is In The Building Posing As " Moe " Again.
Tell Us About Amdocs,Checkpoint Systems Sourcefire Deal Little Nicky.
Tell Us About Amdocs, Odigo & Verint( Comverse Infosystems Israel Firster.
I'll Get Ya Started On Your Homework.
"Israeli police have questioned an executive from Amdocs, one of Israel's largest companies, in connection with a growing corporate espionage case that has shaken the country's business world.
At least 19 people have been arrested in the affair, in which business executives and private investigators allegedly used sophisticated software to infiltrate competitors' computers."
Clint| 2.6.11 @ 11:08AM
Here's A Taste.
"It turns out that Israel has had a potential wiretap on every phone in America for years, along with the ability to monitor and record who any person is calling, anywhere in America; information of great value even if one does not listen to the calls themselves. Amdocs, Inc. the company which sub contracts billing and directory services for phone companies around the world, including 90 percent of American phone companies, is owned by Israeli interests. Yet another company, Comverse Infosys, is suspected of having built a "back door" into the equipment permanently installed into the phone system that allows instant eavesdropping by law enforcement agencies on any phone in America. This includes yours. "
mortimer| 2.6.11 @ 10:13PM
we need a president to arrest all aipac members all jew neocons who pushed americans to die invading iraq , and who are trying to push us to invade iran, and send the marines in to disarm and annihilate israel ...ISRAEL SHOULD BE RULED BY CHRISTIANS
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 11:03PM
Ain't gonna happen, loser. How are your prize goats anyway?
JimH| 2.6.11 @ 12:35PM
During the cold war an argument could be made for supporting Israel against it's Soviet supported neighbors. As the USSR is gone this argument no longer exists. Attempts are made now to substitute a Muslim global Jihad for communist expansionism. And while one can make a moral case for supporting Israel on this basis, I don't think that there is any longer a strategic one. American support on the right for Israel seems to come mostly from two groups. The first, what are sometimes termed Neocons, regard support for Israel as a good thing in itself or as part of a larger notion of promoting and spreading Democracy and western culture around the world. The second are some Christian groups who see the establishment of Israel and the rebuilding of the temple as fulfilling prophecy and presaging the beginning of the 'End Times'.
Oldefarte| 2.6.11 @ 12:39PM
With all due respect, I absolutely and totally disagree with Aaron's thesis ['....Consequently, in order to maintain that position it neccesitates providing aid abroad be it of an economic or military nature....']. What has the $trillions of foreign aid obtained for us in respect, cooperation and support from other nations around the world? Is the $billions of foreign aid that we've provided to Egypt done so [with Islamic Muslim terrorists on the verge of taking over that country]? We re-built Europe and Japan after WWII, but did any of their countries support us in our Middle Eastern war on terror? We liberated Kuwait after their being invaded and conquered by Sadaam's army, but has that country reciprocated or thanked us for same? The previous administration begged for help/support from other nations after 9/11/01, and the rest of the world virtually gave us their middle finger in response. This country will only be able to maintain its stature throughout the world by remaining strong militarily/economically, not by giving foreign aid welfare to other countries [so that its dictator/rulers can pocket same in their Swiss bank accounts and eventually leave their respective countries leaderless as $trillioniares, as is Muburak is about to do to Egypt]. As the old saying goes, YOU CAN'T BUY LOVE!!!!!!!!
BD57| 2.6.11 @ 5:09PM
Problem is, there's no way to test the alternate thesis, where we withheld all aid.
On the one hand, supporting the dictator tends to bite you in the butt if he's pushed out.
On the other, support can be used to nudge states in the "correct" direction - if there's no aid/support, then there's no opportunity to "nudge."
Some would say American support pushed Post WW II Germany & Japan and Taiwan & South Korea in a "favorable" direction. I think that' s a fair reading of history.
And then there's this - we don't need to be loved ... "respected" and "feared (a bit)" will do just fine.
Ken (Old Texican)| 2.6.11 @ 1:28PM
Oldefarte,
I always look forward to your posts.
Lotta' wisdom expressed.
I have to differ with you vis a vis Egypt though. Mubarak managed to keep 80 million Muslim nut-jobs out of our hair for 30 years.
PS: a few billion over the years in arms, is CHEAP compared to the all out war we are now facing with Islam.
In comparison, think of the TRILLION dollars Obama borrowed for his next election campaign called a "stimulous".
Best regards
Ken
bill reynolds| 2.6.11 @ 6:29PM
Regarding aid to Israel ... economic vs. military ... Whats the difference folks, money is money. Period. And I suppose that the citizens of the United States have a say on how or what Israel does with our gift of MONEY. Get real. Paul's thought process is in support of our countries issues and not others. What precisely are we getting in return for our charitable donation of billions? I fully understand Quid Pro Quo ... and it does not even remotely apply to Israel.
mortimer| 2.6.11 @ 10:07PM
we have no choice, support for israel (which caused 9-11) is forced on america by aipac who directs our elected officials how to vote on every issue regarding jews/israel. right now haley barbour and mike huckabee are proving their loyalty to american jews by traveling to israel and denouncing american policies on settlement building. THIS IS WHY THE T-PARTY IS GOING TO PURGE THE JEWISH INTERESTS AND SLAVES TO JEWISH INTERESTS LIKE HUCKABEE FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. AMERICA FIRST!!!! GET USED TO IT!!!!!
Moe| 2.6.11 @ 11:07PM
You're wrong, moron. You obviously know nothing about the Tea Party folks. Clowns like Sean and Clint are a tiny minority who have NO power to influence most Americans.
They disgrace Rand and Ron Paul.
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