"We support the universal rights of the Egyptian people,"
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said
yesterday in Jordan, "including the rights to freedom of
expression, association, and assembly. And we urge the Egyptian
authorities not to prevent peaceful protests or block
communications, including on social media sites."
The AP is
now reporting that Internet service is cut off in Egypt. So
what are we going to do about it?
It's time, as Charlie Szrom
has been suggesting over at National Review Online, to
reassess US aid to Egypt:
Second, the administration could threaten cuts in aid to the
Egyptian government if the regime continues to ban demonstrations
and arrest and otherwise abuse protestors. This would be in line
with measures I proposed
yesterday on the Corner. The Egyptian regime has ignored the
Obama administration's calls for "restraint." The specter of
reduced funding would demand the regime's attention. Without the
threat of such action or rhetoric straight from the President, the
Mubarak regime is unlikely to respond.
Continuing to throw unqualified monetary support at the Mubarak
regime under the current circumstances is insane, and not just
because everyone in Washington these days claims to be looking for
ways to save money. Szrom has called for an immediate $100 million
cut, with threats of more if the regime doesn't open up the coming
presidential election, scheduled for September.
This is exactly what Carter did to the Shah, turn on him and
start prating about human rights, thus preventing him from
responding forcefully enough to the clerical opposition. Surely
even the most benighted leftie now recognizes that allowing the
Shah to be removed has achieved nothing good, either for the Iran
people, for US interests or for world order.
By Middle Eastern standards Mubarak has run a capable, not
over-oppressive regime in a very tough situation -- Egypt's
population growth is far above the level at which per capita
enrichment is prevented. One accepts that our dreadful
pinko-ignorant current government will be on the wrong side, as
they were in Honduras, but for National Review and AS to advocate
his replacement is childish and indeed disgraceful.
Alan Brooks| 1.27.11 @ 8:55PM
You can't compare Iran to Egypt to Iran, that is an odious
comparison indeed.
Iran was and is more prosperous-- Egypt is a third world
cesspool.
Patriot| 1.27.11 @ 10:20PM
Who cares what you think about Iran, Alan? Ask the protesters
who've been tortured and killed by the Iranian government if Iran
is a cesspool.
Chris| 1.27.11 @ 9:04PM
Yes, the question is is who are the demonstrators? If they are
ones pushing for a more Islamic government, it's better off to keep
Mubarak.
Floyd Looney| 1.27.11 @ 8:07PM
That is a power that Obama wants.
And yes, Mr Biden, Mubarak is a dictator.... one doesn't stay in
power for nearly 40 years any other way.
Defintely not an "ally" in more than name only
Alan Brooks| 1.27.11 @ 8:59PM
In Reza Pahlavi we lost an autocrat of an ally;
in Mubarak we lose a third world cesspool-crat of an ally. Not
nearly as much oil in Egypt
The former was then somewhat better than the latter is
today.
Chuck| 1.27.11 @ 8:29PM
If Hillary was the leader of a country she would be oppressing
the opposition in spades. Digging up dirt in FBI files...threats
& intimidation, detaining her political enemies without
warrants, curbing the internet, etc. Who is she kidding?
Mostafa Elkordy| 1.27.11 @ 8:30PM
No internet, no Phones, nothings but pullets... Now i know why
America insist on giving the Egyptian government all this money
every year. So they can keep the people oppressed. How different
Mubarak from Sadam and denajad? if anything he is worse. Ladies and
Gentlemen we're about to witness the greatest genocide in years.
Police are killing random Egyptians right now as I am writing
this.
Interested Conservative| 1.27.11 @ 11:10PM
Close, but not quite. Mubarak is, so far, quantitatively
different.
"Genocide"? Seriously? Bad, yes. Oppressive, certainly. Evil,
perhaps. But genocide, extremely doubtful under any definition, and
absolutely not random.
It does the cause no good to make unfounded claims.
As for American aid - it is likely a waste, but not necessarily
a cause of this effect.
Finally, cutting communications is really an admission of
defeat. Even the Persians understand that.
I wonder if Mubarak won't be the ultimate problem. He could
leave in an instant, and then what? That's when real trouble could
start. Can Egypt calm down as Tunisia seemingly has?
Real American| 1.27.11 @ 9:20PM
And Obama wants the "internet kill switch" to use in an
emergency (like losing the 2012 presidential election!)
Bob K.| 1.27.11 @ 10:14PM
That is a good observation and it puts Obama in an awkward
position here. And it also puts Senator Lieberman, a strong
defender of Israel, who also supports it in the same position.
One wonders about the timing of her remarks and what Hilary's
real intention was when she came out so strongly against this
action by Egypt? Is she saying that she also supports the same
rights of freedom of expression and association and assembly here
in the USA?
My bet is she is still thinking about running for President!
It's time to reassess aid TO EVERY COUNTRY! Foreign aid is
unconstitutional and outrageous for a country that can't pay its
own bills. No real conservative can support foreign aid to any
country.
Sean| 1.27.11 @ 10:44PM
You are correct sir.
cali| 1.28.11 @ 4:51AM
You took the thoughts right out of my mind. I've asking the same
questions for some time.
Kudos to you!
Patty| 1.27.11 @ 11:13PM
We were never meant to be an empire, our Founders knew better.
Too bad we haven't stayed true to their vision.
One of the organizations behind these riots is The Muslim
Brotherhood, no friend of the USA either.
And don't look for them to restore internet freedom or establish
democracy in Egypt if they take over the country.
Too Many Tims| 1.28.11 @ 10:51AM
Looks like Obama is headed for a Carter moment.
rhnoda| 1.28.11 @ 1:26PM
He keeps talking about green energy because he hasn't a clue
about anything, anything else (not even about green energy for that
matter. This is a man who ascended with no skills and no knowledge.
If he has any it certainly hasn't been evident--ever. No clue on
foreign policy. Probably would flunk a high school, no middle
school history test.
Interested Conservative| 1.28.11 @ 11:26AM
Is it 3:00 a.m. yet? Is a phone ringing somewhere? Hello?
Heard on a conservative radio show last night that the Egyptian
police presence is really undercover military and about the
government's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Not pretty, folks. Not pretty at all.
rhnoda| 1.28.11 @ 1:23PM
Hillary is a mouthpiece (and she is an excellent mouthpiece. Her
greatest skill is speaking for minutes without saying anything
offensive nor substantative.) for Obama who has n't a clue what to
do nor how to lead. He should be impeached for deriliction of duty.
He is paid for a job but does not perform. Not pretty at all.
Quartermaster| 1.28.11 @ 5:59PM
Joe Biden has no idea how to be ashamed. I doubt he ever felt
shame as a kid, and certainly hasn't seemed to as an adult.
Patriot| 1.28.11 @ 9:03PM
Biden should be ashamed of those damned hair-plugs!
Martin| 1.27.11 @ 7:56PM
This is exactly what Carter did to the Shah, turn on him and start prating about human rights, thus preventing him from responding forcefully enough to the clerical opposition. Surely even the most benighted leftie now recognizes that allowing the Shah to be removed has achieved nothing good, either for the Iran people, for US interests or for world order.
By Middle Eastern standards Mubarak has run a capable, not over-oppressive regime in a very tough situation -- Egypt's population growth is far above the level at which per capita enrichment is prevented. One accepts that our dreadful pinko-ignorant current government will be on the wrong side, as they were in Honduras, but for National Review and AS to advocate his replacement is childish and indeed disgraceful.
Alan Brooks| 1.27.11 @ 8:55PM
You can't compare Iran to Egypt to Iran, that is an odious comparison indeed.
Iran was and is more prosperous-- Egypt is a third world cesspool.
Patriot| 1.27.11 @ 10:20PM
Who cares what you think about Iran, Alan? Ask the protesters who've been tortured and killed by the Iranian government if Iran is a cesspool.
Chris| 1.27.11 @ 9:04PM
Yes, the question is is who are the demonstrators? If they are ones pushing for a more Islamic government, it's better off to keep Mubarak.
Floyd Looney| 1.27.11 @ 8:07PM
That is a power that Obama wants.
And yes, Mr Biden, Mubarak is a dictator.... one doesn't stay in power for nearly 40 years any other way.
Defintely not an "ally" in more than name only
Alan Brooks| 1.27.11 @ 8:59PM
In Reza Pahlavi we lost an autocrat of an ally;
in Mubarak we lose a third world cesspool-crat of an ally. Not nearly as much oil in Egypt
The former was then somewhat better than the latter is today.
Chuck| 1.27.11 @ 8:29PM
If Hillary was the leader of a country she would be oppressing the opposition in spades. Digging up dirt in FBI files...threats & intimidation, detaining her political enemies without warrants, curbing the internet, etc. Who is she kidding?
Mostafa Elkordy| 1.27.11 @ 8:30PM
No internet, no Phones, nothings but pullets... Now i know why America insist on giving the Egyptian government all this money every year. So they can keep the people oppressed. How different Mubarak from Sadam and denajad? if anything he is worse. Ladies and Gentlemen we're about to witness the greatest genocide in years. Police are killing random Egyptians right now as I am writing this.
Interested Conservative| 1.27.11 @ 11:10PM
Close, but not quite. Mubarak is, so far, quantitatively different.
"Genocide"? Seriously? Bad, yes. Oppressive, certainly. Evil, perhaps. But genocide, extremely doubtful under any definition, and absolutely not random.
It does the cause no good to make unfounded claims.
As for American aid - it is likely a waste, but not necessarily a cause of this effect.
Finally, cutting communications is really an admission of defeat. Even the Persians understand that.
I wonder if Mubarak won't be the ultimate problem. He could leave in an instant, and then what? That's when real trouble could start. Can Egypt calm down as Tunisia seemingly has?
Real American| 1.27.11 @ 9:20PM
And Obama wants the "internet kill switch" to use in an emergency (like losing the 2012 presidential election!)
Bob K.| 1.27.11 @ 10:14PM
That is a good observation and it puts Obama in an awkward position here. And it also puts Senator Lieberman, a strong defender of Israel, who also supports it in the same position.
One wonders about the timing of her remarks and what Hilary's real intention was when she came out so strongly against this action by Egypt? Is she saying that she also supports the same rights of freedom of expression and association and assembly here in the USA?
My bet is she is still thinking about running for President!
Red Phillips| 1.27.11 @ 10:17PM
"It's time ... to reassess US aid to Egypt"
It's time to reassess aid TO EVERY COUNTRY! Foreign aid is unconstitutional and outrageous for a country that can't pay its own bills. No real conservative can support foreign aid to any country.
Sean| 1.27.11 @ 10:44PM
You are correct sir.
cali| 1.28.11 @ 4:51AM
You took the thoughts right out of my mind. I've asking the same questions for some time.
Kudos to you!
Patty| 1.27.11 @ 11:13PM
We were never meant to be an empire, our Founders knew better. Too bad we haven't stayed true to their vision.
Bob Miller| 1.28.11 @ 8:21AM
Czar>>>Kerensky>>>Lenin
Shah>>>Bakhtiar>>>Khomeini
Mubarak>>>Reformers>>>Muslim Brotherhood
Bob K.| 1.28.11 @ 9:41AM
One of the organizations behind these riots is The Muslim Brotherhood, no friend of the USA either.
And don't look for them to restore internet freedom or establish democracy in Egypt if they take over the country.
Too Many Tims| 1.28.11 @ 10:51AM
Looks like Obama is headed for a Carter moment.
rhnoda| 1.28.11 @ 1:26PM
He keeps talking about green energy because he hasn't a clue about anything, anything else (not even about green energy for that matter. This is a man who ascended with no skills and no knowledge. If he has any it certainly hasn't been evident--ever. No clue on foreign policy. Probably would flunk a high school, no middle school history test.
Interested Conservative| 1.28.11 @ 11:26AM
Is it 3:00 a.m. yet? Is a phone ringing somewhere? Hello?
Joan of Snark| 1.28.11 @ 11:59AM
Heard on a conservative radio show last night that the Egyptian police presence is really undercover military and about the government's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Not pretty, folks. Not pretty at all.
rhnoda| 1.28.11 @ 1:23PM
Hillary is a mouthpiece (and she is an excellent mouthpiece. Her greatest skill is speaking for minutes without saying anything offensive nor substantative.) for Obama who has n't a clue what to do nor how to lead. He should be impeached for deriliction of duty. He is paid for a job but does not perform. Not pretty at all.
Quartermaster| 1.28.11 @ 5:59PM
Joe Biden has no idea how to be ashamed. I doubt he ever felt shame as a kid, and certainly hasn't seemed to as an adult.
Patriot| 1.28.11 @ 9:03PM
Biden should be ashamed of those damned hair-plugs!