Grover Norquist is calling for a
conservative debate over the war in Afghanistan. Daniel Larison
is
not
impressed. He makes some arguments I agree with — the
Afghanistan Study Group poll overstates meaningful conservative
opposition to the war — but naturally I’m going to take up the
arguments I disagree with.
First, Larison argues that Norquist seems to be opposing the war
in Afghanistan in order to make it easier to fight a war with Iran:
“As with so many other conservatives claiming to be ‘antiwar’
because of their objections to Afghanistan, Norquist wants to free
up military resources so that they might be turned toward the
‘real’ threats that he identifies elsewhere.” But “leverage”
against Iran or North Korea isn’t the same thing as an invasion or
occupation of either country. One of the arguments many of us made
against the war with Iraq was that it would increase Iran’s power
in the region. That doesn’t mean that all of us who made that
argument really preferred a war with Iran instead. The ability to
effectively deter or contain Iran in fact makes war less
likely.
Norquist, like many conservatives, was initially supportive of
the Iraq war. He gave this very Norquistian quote to the
Washington Post in 2003: “The Democrats were on the wrong
side of the Civil War, the Cold War and now the Iraq War.” He later
became a critic of the Iraq adventure, downplaying conservative
support for the policy: “If Bush changed the policy, you’d have
four neocons whine and the rest of the movement would be fine.”
What Norquist
said about the Iraq war to Vanity Fair doesn’t suggest
much enthusiasm for a sequel in Iran:
Everything the advocates of war said would happen hasn’t
happened. And all the things the critics said would happen have
happened. [The president’s neoconservative advisers] are
effectively saying, “Invade Iran. Then everyone will see how smart
we are.” But after you’ve lost x number of times at the roulette
wheel, do you double-down?
Larison also thinks it is counterproductive for Norquist to
bring up Ronald Reagan’s decision to withdraw from Lebanon after
the Beirut bombing, since many neoconservatives have criticized
this as a terror-enabling decision to “cut and run.” The analogy is
obviously inapt: the original invasion of Afghanistan was a
necessary response to the 9/11 terrorist attacks against the United
States, while an argument could be made — and was made at the time
even by hawks like John McCain — that the Marines shouldn’t have
been in Beirut in the first place. But bringing up Reagan isn’t
totally without merit. During the previous administration,
conservatives unwittingly embraced a degree of interventionism that
is not just excessive compared to Eisenhower or Taft but also
Reagan, Nixon, and Bush 41.
Maybe these arguments will fail to persuade most conservatives.
They have been
made before without any
universal assent in a very different political climate. But
especially now that this climate has changed, it strikes me as
exactly the kind of
debate conservatives should be having.
Red Phillips | 1.14.11 @ 5:56PM
So Norquist thinks the Democrats were on the wrong side of the Civil (sic) War? That's telling. So that means Norquist is on the wrong side of the authentic line of American conservatism. (Sorry for the diversion. I couldn't help myself.)
Anyway, I don't doubt that Norquist is sincerely trending toward non-interventionism. He addressed Ron Paul's Rally for the Republic. I don't think that arguing that two wars overextends us necessarily means you want to start a war with Iran.
As I state in my reply to Daniel's post, he just seems inclined to fault find any movement our way.
mawendt| 1.15.11 @ 5:25AM
'We do the right thing because it's the right thing to do' should be our guidence.
It should not be political opportunism, or some set of flexible values, that decides the efforts of the United States involvements in foreign endeavors.
I know that Geoge Washisgton, and Monroe, had some great things to say about injecting the nation into foreign conflicts. What has been said along those lines has wisdom. However, the time when the nation could separate ourselves from international affairs by two oceans passed when technology and liberal policies of compromise supplanted natural defense and accountability.
It is foolish for this nation to continue to not face head on this that are not favorable to freedom and democracy everywhere we can have influence. We should not compromise standards for expediency by negotiatiating with repressive governments, tolerating leaders who abuse innocents, and repressive philosophies that are ruthless to humanity.
There is where the problem lies, and why these little wars last forever. We shake our finger uselessly at those like North Korea and Iran, while shaking hands with elevated criminals like Karzai. And then we try to tell the rest of the world whats right and wrong.
There is sacrifice and responsibilty in order to have our freedom philosophy become intrenched. We're are neither sacrificing nor being respoonsible on the world's stage.
Backing down is the worst possible action. This nation and its people need to step up.
If we can no longer do it for ourselves, we cannot expect others to follow.
Red Phillips | 1.15.11 @ 9:35PM
mawendt, exactly what wisdom do you profess to see in Washington when you then proceed to denounce his policy of non-entanglement entirely.
Your post is a textbook example of what is wrong with ideological Wilsonian interventionism.