The good news is that it appears Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is
going to pull through, but
six people were killed (including a federal judge and a young
girl) and 11 others were injured. No doubt, some will try to
exploit this event for political gain. In fact, even before the
shooter was identified, Paul Krugman was
already blaming the incident on Sarah Palin, Tea Party
activists, and opposition to national health care. But with details
starting to trickle in on the alleged shooter, Jared Loughner, it’s
looking like it will be hard to identify him with any given
ideology (not that violent acts by nut jobs should ever be blamed
on others who share a few political views that they express
peacefully). Assuming this
is the YouTube page of Loughner, his views look completely
incoherent. Among his favorite books: Mein Kampf, the
Communist Maniefesto, Animal Farm, and Ayn Rand’s
We the Living. Unless he’s the first Nazi Randian
communist, it’s hard to identify him with any political
movement. The videos themselves are filled with random
pseudo-intellectual gibberish about currency and English grammar. I
think Finnegans Wake was more comprehensible.
With the story quickly evolving, there’s a limit to what we can
say about the shooting. But one thing we can say is that beyond the
lives that were directly affected, another upsetting element is
that this incident could have the affect of creating more distance
between members of Congress and their constituents. There was a
time when citizens were able to walk up to the doors of the White
House, wait on line, and give the president a piece of their mind.
That obviously became impractical and too risky as time went on.
But members of Congress, of all public figures, are the most
accessible of public officials. To the extent that new security
concerns will begin to make members of the “People’s House” more
distant from the people, this is a tragedy in more ways than
one.
David Mebane| 1.8.11 @ 5:40PM
I would agree that we shouldn't blame things like this on people who have been expressing peaceful political views. However, that's not the situation here. Sarah Palin for one, and this fellow Kelly who opposed her in the race last year, both suggested she should be shot. Republicans never gave a damn about any of that. Giffords' office was vandalized during the campaign -- remember that? So this is not an isolated event.
This is, without a doubt, a political killing, and the Republicans and their violent rhetoric is responsible for it. If there is any justice, the Republicans will suffer mightily for this. People who engage in violent rhetoric -- including and especially Sarah Palin -- are traitors.
BULLSHIT!| 1.8.11 @ 5:48PM
AND YOU KNOW IT LIBERAL JERK!
Margie| 1.8.11 @ 6:03PM
Troll Alert:
RCV is that you.. Liberal Reader?
Coward!
Disgusting.
ggoblue| 1.8.11 @ 6:13PM
aren't you the guy who molested your neighbors young son? and didn't give a damn who knew about it either.
hows that ad hominem attack feel from the receiving end, troll?
David Mebane| 1.8.11 @ 6:30PM
The responses -- including one from someone using my name -- are vile and hardly surprising. Are you going to shoot me now, too? What are your real names? Who are the cowards here? Mr. Klein, take a good look at your readers.
Nick| 1.8.11 @ 7:04PM
Insane in the Mebrane,
We should be asking if you are going to shoot us?
It is lefity kooks, like yourself, that have a history of shooting politicians:
President McKinley, assassinated by an anarchist.
Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak, killed during an attempt on the life of the Polio Prince, FDR.
5 U.S. Representatives, shot by Pueto Rican commies, 1954.
President Kennedyassassinated by commie Lee Harvey Oswald.
Senator Robert Kennedy, assassinated by lefty Sirhan Sirhan.
The Weatherman committed assorted bombings in the '70s.
roadmaster| 1.9.11 @ 8:59AM
No, I don't want to shoot you dead, but I will volunteer to give you a big, fat lip so that before you open your pie hole and allow ignorance to spill out, you'll be reminded to think first.
I know that's an impossible task for lib/progs such as yourself since you already think you know all there is to know, and you're the "smartest" person in the room - NOT!
Keep spouting and spewing your BULL - you only make our point.
ECM| 1.8.11 @ 6:40PM
Uh-huh, then please explain this:
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647
So, by your logic, both the DLC and DSCC are just as guilty as Palin, right?
Gail Stoltzfoos| 1.8.11 @ 7:21PM
"Republicans and their violent rhetoric" !? How on earth you relate a nut job's shooting spree to Republicans is outrageous enough; but, to say that they spout violent rhetoric is absurd. What have you been smoking? Wouldn't it be nice if, in the aftermath of a tragedy such as this one, people would simply care about the victims and their families? Nowadays, one minute after any tragedy, there's someone blaming Republicans, Sarah Palin, gun advocates, whomever. Get real. Get a life!
PCC| 1.8.11 @ 7:30PM
Why didn't the headlines say, "Republican Judge Slain"?
Steve-O| 1.8.11 @ 7:57PM
As usual, the left is exploiting a tragedy for their political gain (never let a crisis go to waste). They are the dispicable ones in this equation. They are morally bankrupt.
BD57| 1.8.11 @ 8:44PM
David, that's really pathetic.
Oswald was a communist. Have you purged the communists?
Where were you when people were calling Bush "BusHitler" & making movies about his assassination?
Yeah, I thought so.
You want to know where things like this incident come from? You really want to know?
Hatreds like yours masquerading as "politics."
Bruce| 1.8.11 @ 8:45PM
Net Liberals are, in the main, effeminate white flakes.
Philip| 1.9.11 @ 9:46AM
The only one faning the flames of rhetoric are people who come to conclusions before all facts are in. Democrats have put targets on Republicans before, just ask Hanoi Jane....
Oldefarte| 1.9.11 @ 1:00PM
You sir [along with all other liberals] are STUPID. TARGET, AIM, BULLSEYE etc are all politically used terminology, and for you to suggest that these words be interpreted literally simply demonstrates either your complete STUPIDITY or your ignorant belief that we here or other conservative are as stupid as you are as to believe such false linkage. Go back to reading the DAILY KOS and worshipping at the cross of their has-been, washed up, ugly, daughter of a former movie great, Vietnam protester MORONS!!!!!!!
Dixie Pixie| 1.8.11 @ 5:48PM
According to the first reports, we have the first trans-ideological lunatic exercising his 2nd Amendment Rights at a Blue Dog Moderate Democrat.
Someone please call "Robin of Berkeley" as a psychiatrist would be necessary to unravel this mystery.
Judy| 1.8.11 @ 5:50PM
It seems that Sarah Palin's comment "Don't retreat - reload"! was meant as a metaphor for don't give up, keep going. Not the literal meaning of shooting someone. This twisting stuff around to blame someone is ridiculous.
Floyd Looney| 1.8.11 @ 5:50PM
From what we know so far I'd say this guy is a left anarchist. That will not stop the MSM from pinning this on the TEA Party and Sarah Palin.
David Mebane| 1.8.11 @ 5:51PM
I'm sorry. That was really dumb and tasteless. I don't know why I wrote that. Please forgive me.
Jake_G | 1.8.11 @ 5:55PM
And I'm assuming that Pelosi's statement the other day about overturning healthcare would be 'violent' is ok? Don't be a schmuk DM. What you should eb doing now is praying for the people involved. And if you don't believe in God, then just stfu.
Virginia Mebane| 1.8.11 @ 5:56PM
That ok, Dave. It runs in your dad's family. When you grow up and leave your room, you'll realize it is a beautiful world. Now could you help me change your brother's diapers?
Gene Carr| 1.8.11 @ 6:09PM
Presumably if Sarah Palin runs for President she will not be allowed to use expressions like 'battleground state'.
mike191| 1.8.11 @ 6:20PM
Mr. Mebrane you must stop using those purloined "Art Voice" papers as your daily guide to political thought and talking points.
Zilla | 1.8.11 @ 6:30PM
Funny how they were so quick to pin this on the right when it was people on the LEFT who were posting violent hateful rhetoric against Rep. Giffords on sites like the Daily KOS, case in point, a post that has now been memoryholed (but I took a screenshot first) TWO DAYS AGO buy a guy who calls himself BlueBoy who said she was "DEAD" to him for voting against Nancy Pelosi.
I posted the screenshot of his hateful post at Potluck:
http://potluckbloggers.wordpre.....n-arizona/
Wizbang has the link to the cached page of BB's awful post complete with comments so you can still see it despite its having been scrubbed from KOS:
http://wizbangblog.com/content.....u-hear.php
BoyBlue has a violent history including having shot himself in the face.
danny| 1.8.11 @ 6:30PM
You are exactly right,Gene. We on the right have to be very careful about how we express ourselves. Meanwhile the left can say and do anything and they will never be called on it. Just a fact of life that we have to live with.
Nick| 1.8.11 @ 6:31PM
Insane in the Mebrane,
Mrs. Gifford is a Blue Dog Democrat. She used to be a Republican.
You want to blame this on inflammatory rhetoric? Look to the kos-kids and other lefty kooks, like yourself.
Mike W| 1.9.11 @ 10:40AM
Blue Dog Dem my ass. She has a 100 percent approval rating with NARAL- pro abortion. She voted for TARP, the Stimulus Act and the DREAM act.
It's tragic that she was shot but no more tragic than the others that were murdered. Don't make some conservative hero out of her.
Nick| 1.9.11 @ 11:16AM
Mike W,
I wasn't. Where did I write that she is a conservative Mike?
She calls herself a Blue Dog, i.e. a moderate democrat. She voted against San Fran Gran Nan. She is a supporter of the 2nd Article of Amendment, according to news reports.
Read more carefully next time, okay?
Marc Jeric| 1.8.11 @ 6:38PM
Paul Krugman should be in the Politburo of the Communist Party USA. That creep with arrested development still worships the Karl Marx's 160-year old Communist Manifesto - after 90 years of history filled with utter poverty, terror, and mass murder. You see - he would do it "differently".
Interested Conservative| 1.8.11 @ 6:46PM
He's nuts, until the facts show otherwise.
Some of the jump-to-conclusions types aren't much saner. By their logic the fact that the deceased judge was a Bush 41 appointee only leads to conclusion that the assassin is a leftist Bush-hater. Of course, that's not logic, and the "facts" so far will in all likelihood not even be the facts.
To repeat, he's nuts until the facts show otherwise.
They may, but I doubt they will.
Liberal Reader| 1.8.11 @ 8:02PM
Amen.
Clearly the man is deranged. No faction or party is responsible for this. There's need to address political discourse in this country -- which has grown embarrassingly debased and silly -- but it's a separate issue best left for another time.
matthew s harrison| 1.8.11 @ 7:13PM
Mebrane-while guys from your side are out rioting at the IMF meetings, throwing bricks through dem candidates windows they work for, making videos about kidnapping, raping, and murdering white women(kanye west's new one coming out now), and other mega-violent horrors like that, guys on our side are adopting foster kids(Bachman-26 at last count), raising funds for our veterans(who your side so ardently wants to defund, and or let die on the streets), building charity after charity, etc.....So if you really want to get into this argument, we can discuss it-but get ready-because we can bring all the proof to bear that will show that your knee-jerk claim that Palin wanted someone shot, etc, is all bullshit, while the ultra violent stuff that daily adorns the boards and blogs at Kos, HuffPo, WaPo, etc is there for all to see anytime! So, bring it if you want the "fight" and we will happily show you the err of your "thinking" and statements.
Now-I think I can hear your mother calling down to the basement to get up stairs and wash your hands for dinner!
Wayne | 1.8.11 @ 7:27PM
I think the President needs to apologize for some of the rhetoric he uses. It would go a long ways towards calming the political environment. He can not be calling the Republicans: The Enemy, and he can not be talking about taking a knife or gun to a fight. His rhetoric has been juvenile and coming from the leader of the free world, it invites violence.
lillith| 1.8.11 @ 9:07PM
Oh, I guess putting cross hairs on a person is just a friendly gesture. It doesn't take much for a deranged person to latch on to what seems to be an invitation for 'patriotic violence'.
Interested Conservative| 1.8.11 @ 9:16PM
No it doesn't take much, which I guess kinda disproves your point. Could excess fluoridation be the cause? Sun stroke? Anything? The list may be endless.
The guy is a nut. In a week there may be a better explanation, but I doubt it.
David Mebane| 1.8.11 @ 9:21PM
lillith, if you had "cross hairs" on your body, nobody would even look at you for a second, you pathetic gorgon!
TrickleUpPolitics| 1.9.11 @ 9:32AM
You comment invites the conclusion that you think our political discourse should be limited by whatever effect it may have on mentally ill people. Really? How stupid is that?
Jeremiah| 1.8.11 @ 9:13PM
Wayne, the prez cannot apologize. He's a muslim and muslims NEVER apologize. Either they "didn't do it" or Allah made them do it and how can Allah be wrong, you arrogant infidel!
NIck| 1.8.11 @ 11:08PM
Jeremiah,
I respectfully disagree.
I'm with Ann Coulter on this one. O'Bama is NOT a Moslem. He is clearly an atheist. All marxists are.
Dean from Ohio| 1.8.11 @ 11:21PM
Atheists don't bow to the King of Saudi Arabia. Perhaps a randy boy politician would bow to a man with a harem the size of the Saudi King's, but otherwise not. And he wouldn't talk about the "revealed Quran" to be sure. Take another look at the evidence. BTW, who's to say that he has to be logically consistent? His parents were Muslim and Marxist.
Nick| 1.8.11 @ 11:30PM
A Moslem wouldn't have his children baptized in a so-called "Christian" church. An atheist wouldn't care.
Also, Moslems are very much against the killing of the unborn (fetus in Latin.)
Jeremiah| 1.9.11 @ 8:51AM
The Imam Wright of that so-called "Christian church" baptized the children with camel blood and tatooed the number of the Beast on each buttock (yes, you have figured out where the 2nd "6" digit is located...) and Moslem doctors routinely abort unborn from infidel women.
Patriot| 1.12.11 @ 3:26AM
Screw you, Liberal Screeder.
Joe Marriott| 1.9.11 @ 1:20AM
Sarah Palin put this woman in crosshairs. With a bulls-eye planted right on her district. The violent rhetoric cannot be denied. It's simply a fact.
Jonathan| 1.9.11 @ 2:06AM
Joe, do yourself a favor and realize violent rhetoric is on both sides. Democrats are just as much guilty as Republicans for spreading hatred. Please, open your mind. I certainly look at both sides of an argument before coming to a conclusion. You obviously cannot.
Jeremiah| 1.9.11 @ 8:55AM
Jonathan, I disagree. Republicans are not guilty of anything. We do not betray America on a daily basis.
Jeremiah| 1.9.11 @ 6:52AM
I have a question for those on the Left who visit this site and comment, particularly those who have made a link between this guy and the Tea Party or GOP.
Why is it not okay to use the acts of jihadists, suicide bombers, or other terrorists as representatives of Islam, but it's okay for you to use this nutjob as an example of a movement that represents millions of Americans, and is based on the founding principles of our country?
Well there are, you should understand, seldom more than a few short hours between the time that a tragic act occurs and when its perpetrator's political beliefs, if any, come to light. The Venomous Left needs to take advantage of every single minute to paint the perp as a right wing extremist, before the actual facts are known. After all, those hours are the most important in shaping the public's perceptions and recollections of the event.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to read The Communist Manifesto, which, as you know, tops every good right winger's list of favorite books.
Dan in OKC| 1.9.11 @ 9:42AM
You nailed it. But, no matter how well you demonstrate the hypocrisy of the left, they will either ignore the comparison or completely miss the point. Reason and logic have absolutely no place in the far left in this country.
By the way, did anyone happen to notice that Paul Krugman has decided to no longer take comments to his article blaming the tea party and Palin for the violence? Typical. He makes a complete fool of himself by trying to blame conservatives, then shuts off the avalanche of responses when the majority of readers call him out for it.
dennis| 1.9.11 @ 8:21AM
As someone who worked the Reagan assination case, I was assigned to watch the autoposy of Press Secretary Brady. He had been shot in the head, and had been declared dead. Even the FBI and the media who were at the heart of the attempt, couldn't get some of the most simple of facts straight. I would suggest that everyone go to church, (if you are religious), watch football, (if your a football fan) or visit your friends (if you have any). I think my suggestions are helpful, and carful not to offend anyone.
martin j smith| 1.9.11 @ 8:22AM
The political leaders on the Tea Party/Republican Side of the aisle should PUBLICLY CONDEMN THE POLITICIZATION OF THIS HORRENDOUS ASSASSINATION AND CALL OUT THOSE NAMES THAT ARE LIBELOUS AND UN AMERICAN.
Dan in OKC| 1.9.11 @ 9:31AM
Just as cold weather, warm weather - any weather - is evidence of global warming, so too is a deranged assassin a direct product of the tea party. Thank you, liberals, once again, for such reason and clarity of thought.
Leslie Schwartz| 1.9.11 @ 10:05AM
If you look at the video's he put up on YouTube he clearly uses some of the same asinine fact free rhetoric used by the tea party types regarding "constitutionalism", and hard money, he also uses similar anti government rhetoric.
And tea party types use the threat of violence at political rallies, carrying guns to rallies and signs saying "I left my ammo at home - this time", Sara Pailin: "lock and load" and maps showing her political opponents on maps with a target bullseye, Sharon Angle: "use your 2nd amendment remedies", etc.
So the connection between this nut job and the tea party in general is UNDENIABLE.
Nick| 1.9.11 @ 11:23AM
Miss Schwartz,
And if you look at his favorite video, you'll see a guy burn the American flag.
We all know which side of the politcal spectrum likes to burn American flags, don't we?
So, the connection between this nut job and the democrat party is UNDENIABLE.
See how easy, and illogical this is?
martin j smith| 1.9.11 @ 10:30AM
Leslie Schwartz you are a troll--a phony paid from tarp money top be a provocateur--that is who you are. And on top of that you spread LIBEL--You are UN AMERICAN. Wether you are paid or just a volunteer I do not give a darn. You are the worst element of our society and should be shunned ( that means not only ignored and marginalized but socially ignored as well ) and on top of that called out as an UN AMERICAN. Let me tell you one more thing, the jerk that you are. You are entitled to you opinion but I am entitled to mine and I tell you are the worst that this country has.
Leslie Schwartz| 1.9.11 @ 12:09PM
Martin, thanks for being yourself and letting everyone see exactly what you are.
I repeat:
If you look at the video's he put up on YouTube he clearly uses some of the same asinine fact free rhetoric used by the tea party types regarding "constitutionalism", and hard money, he also uses similar anti government rhetoric.
And tea party types use the threat of violence at political rallies, carrying guns to rallies and signs saying "I left my ammo at home - this time", Sara Pailin: "lock and load" and maps showing her political opponents on maps with a target bullseye, Sharon Angle: "use your 2nd amendment remedies", etc.
So the connection between this nut job and the tea party in general is UNDENIABLE.
Nick| 1.9.11 @ 12:22PM
Miss Schwartz,
Repeating yourself is a sign of insanity, ya' know?
His "rhetoric," as you put it, is incoherent gibberish. I'm sure you understand it, though.
Leslie Schwartz| 1.9.11 @ 12:31PM
Nick you demonstrate the same transparently dishonest dimwitted rhetoric all Tea Party numskulls are known for.
Not that anyone would expect you to be man enough to admit you are wrong.
You are not man enough to do that, and you are not smart enough to turn a lie into the truth in a debate.
Nick| 1.9.11 @ 12:34PM
Miss Schwartz,
You're being a little vague, could you be more specific?
Nick| 1.9.11 @ 12:36PM
By the way, I'm using Saul Alinsky tactics against you, not Tea Party rhetoric.
Leslie Schwartz| 1.9.11 @ 5:55PM
Are you man enough to ram my ass with your big prick? Would you sodomize me doggie style? Because I'm bored being with liberals, they just don't know what a good fuck is, except with men of course.
Patriot| 1.12.11 @ 3:28AM
Spoken like a good Liberal whore--must be Liberal Screeder.
uber_infidel| 1.9.11 @ 4:40PM
the only thing that is UNDENIABLE is your ignorance and irrelevance !
Leslie Schwartz| 1.9.11 @ 12:28PM
http://firedoglake.com/2011/01.....-giffords/
Gifford's Tea Party Opponent, Jesse Kelly, Held June Event to “Shoot a Fully Automatic M16″ to “Get on Target” and “Remove Gabrielle Giffords”
Nick| 1.9.11 @ 12:30PM
Miss Schwartz,
What size tinfoil hat do you have to have to read firedoglake.com?
Leslie Schwartz| 1.9.11 @ 12:36PM
Sorry Nick,
The web site shows the truth about an actual event planned, promoted and carried out, using the clear suggestion of using violence with automatic weapons, to other Tea Party numskulls like yourself.
Someone, not unlike yourself was stupid enough and weak minded enough to carry out the violence suggested by the Tea Party candidate.
And this is no exception, it is the common place attitude of Tea Party Untermensch like yourself.
Nick| 1.9.11 @ 12:45PM
Miss Schwartz,
If it is so clear, and cut and dry, to your simple deductive reasoning skills, then why didn't Loughner try to assassinate Mrs. Giffords before the election?
This is how cause and effect works.
Leslie Schwartz| 1.9.11 @ 5:51PM
I'm also a frantic lesbian who hates men unless they sodomize me while wearing russian uniforms.
Patriot| 1.12.11 @ 3:30AM
Ouch! You're crazy but funny.
Leslie Schwartz| 1.9.11 @ 12:38PM
I know you Tea Party types are SLOW LEARNERS, so here is a repeat;
Sorry Nick,
The web site shows the truth about an actual event planned, promoted and carried out, using the clear suggestion of using violence with automatic weapons, to other Tea Party numskulls like yourself.
Someone, not unlike yourself was stupid enough and weak minded enough to carry out the violence suggested by the Tea Party candidate.
And this is no exception, it is the common place attitude of Tea Party Untermensch like yourself.
Nick| 1.9.11 @ 12:46PM
Miss Schwartz,
Why don't you address my point about the flag burning video?
Patriot| 1.12.11 @ 3:30AM
She can't address the truth because she's a lying Leftist.
Wayne | 1.9.11 @ 1:24PM
She put the 8th district in the crosshairs, as she was supporting her opponent. If your read a little you will understand that it was the Daily Kos, who put Giffords herself in its crosshairs for being a blue-dog democrat. Also Pelosi was angry with her for being one of the 19 Democrats in the House to vote against Pelosi (the mafia princess).
Oldefarte| 1.9.11 @ 1:06PM
Geez, maybe this tradegy is the fault of Palin's intelligence-challenged child? Maybe she, her dancing daughter and her fisherman-husband all are involved in a consiracy of sorts to do harm to all liberal congressmen. Beware, folks, its the ALASKA SYMDROME run amok. We're all potential victims. Go hide under your beds and wait for El Chosen One and Madam Facelift to come save us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oldefarte| 1.9.11 @ 1:09PM
My advice to most all of you here is to go to your nearest hardware store and purchase the largest/highest-up the leg pair of hip boots that you can find there, since THE LIBERAL BULLEXCREMENT IS OBVIOUSLY ABOUT TO REALLY START FLOWING OVER THIS TRADEGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
,martin j smith| 1.9.11 @ 3:15PM
Leslie schwartz, take your garbage back to he huffington post or the daily kos. Go back to your cave but leave us alone to consider a what a bad situation we have when jerks like you have nothing better to do than spread lies and infact Libel--I read the ramblings of this guy and if you claim that this is tea party stuff you are an ignorant ignoramous of the lowest order. You are more stupid than the smartest neanderthal, empty headed as a black hole and have an IQ of below zero centigrade . That is how your rambling sound like. So get lost.
Linguistics Geek| 1.9.11 @ 3:30PM
There's no such bitch as "leslie schwartz", the semantic scan points to another troll called "william"(for the time being) and also known as "replay". Very useful software, right from a FBI lab>
Linguistics Geek| 1.9.11 @ 3:35PM
(oops hit the wrong key. ) And if someone is interested in downloading it, I can arrange it to be securely delivered to you via yousendit.com
Dale Cord| 1.10.11 @ 10:15AM
This definitely was a political assassination. Liberalism is a mental disorder,and another definition for Liberal is: "Democrat". My guess would be this young mental case, that cold bloodily murdered these people in Tucson,Arizona.Will not be amongst the living long enough to confess as to who paid him for this dastardly deed. Those of you who are associating or making false accusation against any Republican Presidential candidate,or Tea Party patriot was behind this terrible crime, are just liberal pawns in the deadly game of politics this nation has been playing since Lincolns assassination. When insanity invades the mind of any weak and unstable individual, money and power becomes an obsessive aphrodisiac. This unfortunately is the motivation behind any grab by the mentally disturbed for the highest office in our land. We the people need to focus on the criminal background of any political figure, trying to obtain any office of power in our government.In the past we have failed to do this and so we suffer as prey in the jungle of a society we call civilized, What a great epitaph we have earned. "THE MURDER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD"!!
Patriot| 1.12.11 @ 3:33AM
Well, the Left has been openly hoping for another Oklahoma City, so maybe you're right. They're evil.