Many DREAM opponents also want take care of these "kids"
(or former kids) by making them legal. Mark Krikorian, the
anti-amnesty advocate whom I cite most,
wants to take care of them. Even Roy Beck of Numbers USA
seems to want to take care of them. But there is a way
to do it that minimizes the unwanted long-term side
effects of encouraging future illegal immigration from
parents now living in other countries (who'd understandably like
their kids to be made Americans, too), which would set the
stage for another amnesty, which in turn would build up a
constituency for the next amnesty in a cycle that doesn't
seem to have any end point
And there is a way to do it that maximizes those long-term effects,
by maximizing the number of immigrants who would be covered by
DREAM, by offering no effective way to combat fraudulent
applications, by creating
rules so complex they'll collapse of the own weight, by passing
the bill in a wave of ethnic passion and recklessly including no
additional enforcement measures. That's the bill they'll vote on
Saturday.
There are two major problems with legislation ranging from the
DREAM Act to "comprehensive" immigration reform. One is that the
conditions attached to the amnesty are, on careful examination,
either unenforceable or close to meaningless. The second is that
they don't deliver on their core promise of doing anything to deter
another inflow of illegal immigration that will have to be dealt
with another amnesty at a later date. Unfortunately, both these
problems tend to exist by design.
Jim,
Sometimes I am thankful that I am old. I don't think I shall quite
live long enough to see our country smothered under foreign
cultures.
I hope and pray that this act does not pass. It is the ultimate
stupidity, almost as sad as suicide.
...Suicide on a national scale.
Many of our illegal immigrants come from basket-case
countries...like bees to flowers. I don't blame them.
Many come from essentially dictatorial tyrannies. I don't blame
them.
I have a novel solution. Give them all rifles and some ammo, and
train them some...and help them go home and throw the bums off the
top of the heap.
The successive rounds of amnesty you outlined is essentially
national/cultural suicide.
Curly Smith| 12.18.10 @ 11:30AM
I agree with Ken's solution. The trouble with the DREAM Act, and
all of the other amnesty nonsense, is that it utterly fails to
address the real problem - the cesspools of tyranny and
incompetence that are most national governments.
Mexico has been ruled by what amounts to an oligarchy for over
100 years. It's incompetent, corrupt and completely self-serving
(and it's indistinguishable from our Congress). The difference in
economic outcomes of Mexico, the former Soviet Union and the United
States, all nations with vast natural resources, lies solely with
the compounding effect of freedom. Free people left to do as they
will are always more successful than those ruled by tyrants, or
even a benevolent dictator. And prosperity breeds more prosperity
because a hand-to-mouth hard-scrabble existence leaves no time,
energy or resources for innovation and creativity, which are both
necessary components for expanding prosperity.
The DREAM Act makes Mexico's mistakes our problem without
forcing Mexico to fundamentally reform. It makes the claim that
it's our fault that Mexico choose tyranny while our ancestors
choose freedom. Mexico is where it is because of prior poor
decisions. We should not be rewarding those poor decisions,
particularly when the reward punishes our good decisions.
The same argument, of course, holds true for bailing out
California or any other liberal bastion of corruption and tyranny.
It also explains why Congress refuses to cut income taxes and allow
a free people to flourish. Free people have little tolerance for
petty tyrants and bureau-weenies.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.18.10 @ 9:00AM
Jim,
Sometimes I am thankful that I am old. I don't think I shall quite live long enough to see our country smothered under foreign cultures.
I hope and pray that this act does not pass. It is the ultimate stupidity, almost as sad as suicide.
...Suicide on a national scale.
Many of our illegal immigrants come from basket-case countries...like bees to flowers. I don't blame them.
Many come from essentially dictatorial tyrannies. I don't blame them.
I have a novel solution. Give them all rifles and some ammo, and train them some...and help them go home and throw the bums off the top of the heap.
The successive rounds of amnesty you outlined is essentially national/cultural suicide.
Curly Smith| 12.18.10 @ 11:30AM
I agree with Ken's solution. The trouble with the DREAM Act, and all of the other amnesty nonsense, is that it utterly fails to address the real problem - the cesspools of tyranny and incompetence that are most national governments.
Mexico has been ruled by what amounts to an oligarchy for over 100 years. It's incompetent, corrupt and completely self-serving (and it's indistinguishable from our Congress). The difference in economic outcomes of Mexico, the former Soviet Union and the United States, all nations with vast natural resources, lies solely with the compounding effect of freedom. Free people left to do as they will are always more successful than those ruled by tyrants, or even a benevolent dictator. And prosperity breeds more prosperity because a hand-to-mouth hard-scrabble existence leaves no time, energy or resources for innovation and creativity, which are both necessary components for expanding prosperity.
The DREAM Act makes Mexico's mistakes our problem without forcing Mexico to fundamentally reform. It makes the claim that it's our fault that Mexico choose tyranny while our ancestors choose freedom. Mexico is where it is because of prior poor decisions. We should not be rewarding those poor decisions, particularly when the reward punishes our good decisions.
The same argument, of course, holds true for bailing out California or any other liberal bastion of corruption and tyranny. It also explains why Congress refuses to cut income taxes and allow a free people to flourish. Free people have little tolerance for petty tyrants and bureau-weenies.
J.C.Eaton| 12.18.10 @ 12:06PM
What HE said!