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PattyMor| 12.14.10 @ 4:40PM
How is further spending us into oblivion, good for the United States? Small business is getting killed with repeated assessments for unemployment insurance. Maybe big business has a seat at the table, but small business has been pushed under the table.
Curly Smith| 12.14.10 @ 4:46PM
Yeah, it would be bad for the incoming Congress to actually cut tax rates. It would be bad to strip all of the pork out of the bill. It would be bad to have an economic stimulus bill that actually stimulates the economy. If would be bad to actually have Tax Reform. Maybe next we can get AARP to endorse ObamaCare... oh, wait...
Clint| 12.14.10 @ 5:10PM
We Tea Party Patriots Strenuously Oppose This Travesty.
Rise Up In Rebellion.
"On September 23, all of the House GOP leadership agreed to the "Pledge to America ." A photo op was arranged at the Tart Lumber store in Sterling, Virginia, and the senior leaders of the would-be majority, with their shirt sleeves rolled up, took the pledge and asked America for the majority back. There are at least five provisions of the Pledge that are breached by "the deal." In September the House GOP promised to:
"Permanently Stop All Job-Killing Tax Hikes" (p. 16) "Act immediately to Reduce Spending" (p. 21) "Cut Government Spending to Pre-Stimulus, Pre-Bailout Levels" (p. 21) "Read the Bill" (p. 33) "Advance Legislative Issues One at a Time" (p. 33)
"The deal's" assault on "The Pledge" will make the latter a joke, and instantly impacts the credibility of all future efforts to propose agendas to the electorate.
The idea that this massive tax and spend bill has not yet even been written but may be voted on by the Senate this weekend is appalling, and has rightfully drawn the anger of the TeaPartyPatriots.org and other Tea Party activists, an anger that will not diminish. "
luvntheBIGsites| 12.14.10 @ 5:23PM
Keep your direction focused on those who support the Fair tax or a consumption tax to REPLACE our current Tax code. Anyone who thinks they can "fix" the 70,000 page disaster we have now is an idiot and does not deserve the time of day. Stay vigilant, Now is the best time to strike.
beebop| 12.15.10 @ 5:30AM
What will all of the "tax lawyers" do for a living after simplification of the tax code? Accountants? Don't hold your breath. The tax code is too big to fail .... ;)
John - TMF| 12.14.10 @ 11:26PM
On January 6, 2011 there will be:
1. A massively Republican House of Representatives that can pass all sorts of wonderful fabulous amazing tax cuts, budget cuts, program cuts, cabinet office cuts, Obamacare repeals...
Which will then encounter -
2. Harry Reid running the US Senate with most of his control and power base, intact, and wanting to have absolutely nothing to do with #1 (Above). Oh, and the tax increase that he always wanted which will go into effect because.. well... he poisoned the well for Conservatives by larding up the original extension of the Bush era tax cuts. Harry has a picture of a Tea Party Rally with "Sucker" Photoshopped on to every sign.
It truly is amazing how the Democrats seem to be able to set the Republican/Conservative coalition at each others throats. They just dial up a few of the right tones, and viola!!! A fur ball ensues in short order, complete with banzai charges, and suicide flights into ignorance.
ATR is right on this one... IF we ever want to see the level of taxation stay the same. There is zero chance of any retroactive tax cuts being passed in an "up front" transparent and honest way over the next 2 years.
Because besides Reid and his machine, y'all may not have noticed that the election of 2010 did not include The One and his odious Regime.
And they own the propaganda mills, too. So who will be to blame for people's tax bills skyrocketing and their paychecks getting sliced by extra withholding to pay for it?
Why the dastardly uncompromising extremist Racist anti-womyn Tea Party types and their Republican toadies... that's who.
Buckle up. The next two years are going to be ugly, and the Dems don't believe for a minute that they have lost a thing.
Just something to think about on a frigid (Where is that gloobal worming stuff when you need it?) December night.
Regards,
The Mighty Fahvaag
Have you considered| 12.15.10 @ 6:46AM
Gotta say I agree with Clint exactly for his articulated reasons. John TMF makes good arguments, but his arguments are based upon the presupposition that the 23 Dem senators that will be up for reelection in 2012 will fall in lock step with Harry Reid . I don't believe they will. I believe that many can be peeled off. They do know that they already have a TEA Party target squarely on their chests. Their reelection calculations will have to factor this in. As the Tea Party matures and gains even broader acceptance, as I believe it will, this calculation becomes even more weighted. This is the power of the Tea Party, and it is time for a power play. I have emailed my senators expressing opposition to this larded up tax deal. I vehemently oppose green subsidies.
John - TMF| 12.15.10 @ 7:58AM
No disrespect intended here... your heart is in the right place... it's just that your numbers don't add up.
You need 2/3rds of the Senate, and 2/3rds of the house in a solid veto over-riding majority to do what "Flyover Country" Conservatives are proposing.
Add to that, all Harry needs to do, is keep 40 Senate minions in his court and he stops any action that he does not like, cold dead...
The "rules" are the rules. The "rules" were written by powerful entrenched Democrats for the benefit of Democrats and their causes.
If the "Coalition" doesn't swallow this nasty pill, then it is unlikely that we will see any of our money back until January 2013.
The Dems are calculating that the GOP will blow up over then next two or three election cycles, and the ever clueless and envious public, manipulated by the Democrat owned Mass Media will just vote them back into power.
In the mean time... they sit on their gains, continue their take over of the judiciary and especially the Federal Bureaucracy, and ride it out like a squall on Chesapeake Bay.
Ultimately the Dems have placed their bets on the Tea Party steam boiling off and the pot burning up. I place the odds at a little better than 50/50. Not a bad bet for them at all.
Stinks to be us, though.
r/TMF
Have you considered| 12.15.10 @ 9:12AM
John, I very much appreciate your thoughtful and well reasoned arguments, and I acknowledge that you have a better chance of being proved correct than I. That said, I do note that we are both operating under a certain set of assumptions, and one set of assumptions may well be validated soon. You are assuming that Reid will maintain order amongst his caucus, and I am assuming this will be very difficult indeed. You can not test this theory if you don't commit to a power play. You are also assuming that Obama will in fact veto this tax deal if the GOP strip out the offending provisions, and I'm assuming that his handlers may counsel against that move. Again, I want to test his resolve in this matter. If the GOP capitulate without a fight, we lose the ability to test either of our assumptions.
You see, I truly believe that this "deal" is bad, and I'm not OK with the GOP breaching their Pledge as Clint clearly outlined above. This "deal" if passed as is, will come back to haunt the GOP, and it should. Well, I will qualify that with, a Tea Party primary opponent will be able to simply use Clint's post as their campaign material, which is actually a good thing IMHO. Down with the Red King (Lugar) H/T Hatter :)