Democrats were always going to be hard-pressed to pass the DREAM
Act, repeal "Don't Ask Don't Tell," and address the tax issue in
the lame duck Congress, and now it seems that they're running into
problems on all fronts:
-- A majority of Democrats
came out against the Obama-GOP tax deal in a caucus meeting,
meaning they want changes before bringing it up for a vote.
-- A vote on the DREAM Act was pulled
from the Senate, and they don't appear to have the votes to pass
it.
-- And on "Don't Ask Don't Tell," a source
tells Greg Sargeant, "It appears that the leadership is moving
forward without the votes."
I surely hope the GOP holds firm -especially in the Senate. I'm
sure Pelosi and Reid will attempt to add all types of earmarks and
riders onto the tax-cut and unemployment extensions.
McConnell should simply withdraw his reccomendation if the Dems
pull thier normal stunts. The GOP can always fix this mess early
next year. Of course, many people will get hurt in the meantime. If
Reid forces an early vote on the Dream Act and DADT, McConnell and
the Senate GOP should walk. They can filibuster away the remaining
days left in this Lame Duck session.
NVA Patriot| 12.9.10 @ 1:26PM
I have wondered if Nan was crazy or crazy like a fox. After teh
health care bill was shoved through, I thought crazy like a
fox.
However, with each passing day taxes are not resolved teh GOP
gains negotiating leverage and more people see what the Dems are
truly about - confiscation of wealth and all that comes from theft
of private property.
She's crazy - this empowers the new Tea Pary weighted
congress.
I'm dialing our Repub Senators and telling them to walk or
change the negotiating position.
How about we go for tax cuts and tax simplification, permantely
make rates:
Top rate 20% for all income over $250k
15% for all income below $250k
2% socisal security cut goes to a privte savings account in the
name of the contributor so it becomes an individually owned
assett
10% for capital gains
0% for the death tax
Follow our President's lead and stimulate away!!
If the Dems can change the rules we should call them on it and
raise the ante.
JP| 12.9.10 @ 1:56PM
NVA,
The only weapon the GOP has is in the Senate- the filibuster.
Pelosi may just be playing brinksmanship. She will demand all sorts
of goodies be attached to this -making it impossible for the Senate
Republicans to swallow. If the GOP withdraws its support, the Dems
and the MSM will go nuts.
The only light here, and it is a big one, is that the President
already gave his imprimatur. Going against a sitting President from
your own party usually isn't a good career move, House Speaker or
not. In any event, McConnell must tread carefully and stick to his
guns. The extension of unemployment will cost $120 billion with $70
billion of that coming from higher unemployment insurance premiums.
And more add-ons would and should kill the deal.
NVA Patriot| 12.9.10 @ 2:29PM
Agree & Understand.
If Nancy 'decorates the spending Christmas tree' as a
negotiating ploy to get 'more stuff' for her team to allow the vote
to come to the floor...
...then we can wait until there's a new congress. I personally
would prefer that. However, I understand the Repubs taking the
current deal.
As time goes on, our side grows in strength - raw number of new
memebers and moral authority as every wage earning American sees
that the Democrats take more from your paycheck, Repubs come in, in
January, and they will look like knights in shining armor as they
lower taxes and it's seen in paychecks.
President O will not be able to negotiate because he can't
deliver votes. No votes, no power.
Given this dynamic - I think the Dems will fold and let
President O have this deal - the alternative carries much more
down-side risk for the Dems than the Repubs.
And as a side note, I have run large projects with many players
for business transactions measured in 100's of $million. I have
NEVER entered a negotiation or decsion meeting without KNOWING I
can deliver on EVERY committment. For the President to put a deal
on the table and NOT have it locked down through a critical choke
point, Speaker of the House, is simply amazing and insane.
It should make every American nervous when this guy (President
O) enters negotiations with Iran, China, Russia, the Saudi's, North
Korea, and Venezuela. What's he missing in those negotiations?
I would be fired if I conducted my business dealings like that
and I am by no means dealing with matters as significant as our
national security.
Paul Clare| 12.9.10 @ 6:53PM
Right On! Where are they getting the money to pay for the extra
13 months of unemployment? If the Senators want this they should
take out of THEIR paycheck!
Remember November, Primaries are only 18 months away! We can
chain saw away more of the dead wood then!
Too Many Tims| 12.9.10 @ 2:49PM
The Dems are fighting and scrabbling for the choppers like it's
the fall of Saigon.
Nick| 12.9.10 @ 2:56PM
Mr. Klein,
Your post should've been titled "KAOS on Capitol Hill."
The democrat party increasingly resembles the fictious spy
organization of "Get Smart" fame.
I can easily see Dingy Harry saying to his caucus (in a German
accent, of course,) "Vee are demokrats! Vee don't cut taxes
here!"
ncatty| 12.9.10 @ 2:57PM
If nothing gets done by these lame ducks, then the Alternative
Minimum will kick in, the retroactive extension of research
credits, itemized deductions for state and local income taxes, and
standard deductions for state and local real property taxes will
all go away. In addition, the expiration of the Bush era tax rules
will result in an increase in taxes. Oh yes, and the proposed
reduction in social security witholding taxes will not happen
either. All this is doomsday for the economy. This is legislative
malpractice of the highest order.
NVA Patriot| 12.9.10 @ 3:03PM
And Healthcare wasn't ;) !! :)
Interested Conservative| 12.9.10 @ 3:02PM
I remember back in '06, when the GOP lost both houses, but still
had a POTUS, what a mess that lame duck session was - trying to
cram everything through just to appease the "wealthy" one last
time, and deny civil rights to so many innocent groups.
Oh, wait, did that happen, or am I misremembering again?
ncatty| 12.9.10 @ 3:24PM
Good one. The Dems are more ruthless than the GOP when it comes
to legislative power. They lost big time on November 2. So what,
they say, our term isn't over until the end of the year. Why should
we bend to the will of the voters? Those slobs voted against
us.
Can you be a little more specific? The biggest controversy I
remember was W trying a last ditch effort to get Bolton "approved."
I can't remember anything on the magnitude of DREAM Act, tax
increases, DADT, and/or climate change.
Francis| 12.9.10 @ 8:41PM
The only immigration law that should be demanded is to make
illegal entrance into the United States a felony, with no excuses
and no exceptions. This includes businesses that are twice caught
hiring illegal workers, should be subject to a harsh fine,
confiscation of business assets and after the second
conviction--prison. It's blatantly obvious to me, that for years
Washington has deceived the American people of both political
parties. There has been no intention of enforcing immigration laws
and this is proven without doubt. If illegal immigration had severe
consequences, such as the above penalties the only enforcement
program needed would be E-Verify mandated for every business owner.
The majority of other restriction tools needed to halt the free
flow of desperate, destitute people would radically decline;
knowing that you would be convicted of a class “A” felony would
collapse the ongoing flow.
This would be huge disincentive to economic foreign nationals
crossing our borders, or using the excuse of being a tourist, fully
aware they are not leaving once their visa runs out. No! There has
been no true intention of halting illegal aliens coming here for
work, or to commit crimes. Both Democrats and Republicans have
remained impassive to the invasion, whether its 13 million or 20
million foreigners who have skirted our laws; of course that's
according which side of the Washington chambers you are inclined to
believe? Over thirty years of government neglect has brought this
nightmare upon us, of incessant crimes against lawful citizens and
permanent residents. Americans land owners living in constant fear
along the 2000 miles of mostly unprotected border. Both political
parties irrationally forget who pays their salaries and pensions
while American find their wages sinking and the majority of Social
programs of having to share these entitlements with illegal labor
and their families.
Around the country, we have activist judges who ignore the US
constitution and instead construe the law according to personal
political orientation. Even now Arizona is under bombardment from
open border radicals, or pro business entities, who do not want
this Border States policing laws to be upheld. Then again the IRS
is complicit in allowing illegal aliens to squat here, by issuing
ITIN numbers, as foreigners cannot possess a real Social Security
card. Over the last ten years we have seen an escalation in ID
theft, with the courts saying this is not classed as a felony.
Another un-exaggerated point is that illegal alien workers are
collecting billions of dollars in income tax refunds, for children
who don't exist or filing for the same child twice by each parent.
For those people who believe that this is an embellishment, one
only has to Google key words--illegal alien costs; illegal alien
income tax refunds.
The are highly regarded reports on the expenditures of federal,
state and county support of foreign nationals, that you as the
taxpayer is erroneously paying. Sanctuary States like California
under Liberal progressive control in Sacramento is depleting the
state of billions of dollars, as they subsidize the millions in
just Los Angeles County alone? The schools are in turmoil from
overcrowding of children of illegal families, who by mandated law
must be educated. In understaffed county hospitals have become
places of last resort, for the multitudes of foreign nationals who
live below the poverty line, so they are dependent on taxpayers.
California has become an incubator for hundreds of thousands of
illegal pregnant females, who collect under their new
citizens-babies, namely billions of more dollars soaked from you
and me.
Their children are a valuable commodity, because our 14th
amendment law has been with intent compromised, so that children of
illegal aliens are issued food stamps, low income housing and a
large profusion of cash payment and other freebies. These illegal
women are already aware that once the stand on our soil, that the
US taxpayer will support them and all their children. Until we halt
the illegal immigration occupation of this country, we a steadily
heading for a irrevocable overpopulation. It should be remembered
for every legal or illegal immigrant who settles here, brings many
more immediate relation group follows. Every year millions come to
America who already has a legal or illegal family member, who
offers either a safe haven or an affidavit of support; who they
sponsor. When an illegal alien is caught along the border, the US
agents ask that individual where are they are going.
The majority answer I have a brother, or uncle in Denver, Salt
Lake City or other major hub, who has a job for me. This is almost
a perpetual loop of the same story over and over again. Alas, there
is not enough room to explain what is happening around America ITS
AN FINANCIAL catastrophe. ? Why should US citizens have to compete
with foreign nationals? Why should legal construction workers or a
laborer in any other job, have to compete with Contractors who hire
foreign workers? When is this injustice to the American population
going to end? Remember that--CHAIN MIGRATION--puts the United
States in serious peril, even more so than the original sponsors.
Learn much more about the OVERPOPULATION and its risks to the
environment, infrastructure and quality of life at NumbersUSA The
Dream Act in itself not a menace, although at least a 800.000
students would be eligible if they abide by the law?
The major problem that once legalized over how many years, they
could bring in a whole spectrum of family. Chain migration has
silently snowballed from the 1986 Immigration bill. Since that law
was passed the Congress has quietly passed six amnesties, without
any explanation, while at the same time admitting over a million
new legal immigrants a year through a lottery of specific working
visas. The Dream Act if passed is just another stealth type back
door amnesty. Hopefully in our future—the TEA PARTY—will put an end
to this serious pretense of each administration supposedly working
for the populace. Don't give any Senator or Representative
breathing room, and should get a cordial call the Washington
Switchboard 202-224-3121 Until the Dream Act is amended--is must
not be voted on--as is.
JP| 12.9.10 @ 12:52PM
I surely hope the GOP holds firm -especially in the Senate. I'm sure Pelosi and Reid will attempt to add all types of earmarks and riders onto the tax-cut and unemployment extensions.
McConnell should simply withdraw his reccomendation if the Dems pull thier normal stunts. The GOP can always fix this mess early next year. Of course, many people will get hurt in the meantime. If Reid forces an early vote on the Dream Act and DADT, McConnell and the Senate GOP should walk. They can filibuster away the remaining days left in this Lame Duck session.
NVA Patriot| 12.9.10 @ 1:26PM
I have wondered if Nan was crazy or crazy like a fox. After teh health care bill was shoved through, I thought crazy like a fox.
However, with each passing day taxes are not resolved teh GOP gains negotiating leverage and more people see what the Dems are truly about - confiscation of wealth and all that comes from theft of private property.
She's crazy - this empowers the new Tea Pary weighted congress.
I'm dialing our Repub Senators and telling them to walk or change the negotiating position.
How about we go for tax cuts and tax simplification, permantely make rates:
Top rate 20% for all income over $250k
15% for all income below $250k
2% socisal security cut goes to a privte savings account in the name of the contributor so it becomes an individually owned assett
10% for capital gains
0% for the death tax
Follow our President's lead and stimulate away!!
If the Dems can change the rules we should call them on it and raise the ante.
JP| 12.9.10 @ 1:56PM
NVA,
The only weapon the GOP has is in the Senate- the filibuster. Pelosi may just be playing brinksmanship. She will demand all sorts of goodies be attached to this -making it impossible for the Senate Republicans to swallow. If the GOP withdraws its support, the Dems and the MSM will go nuts.
The only light here, and it is a big one, is that the President already gave his imprimatur. Going against a sitting President from your own party usually isn't a good career move, House Speaker or not. In any event, McConnell must tread carefully and stick to his guns. The extension of unemployment will cost $120 billion with $70 billion of that coming from higher unemployment insurance premiums. And more add-ons would and should kill the deal.
NVA Patriot| 12.9.10 @ 2:29PM
Agree & Understand.
If Nancy 'decorates the spending Christmas tree' as a negotiating ploy to get 'more stuff' for her team to allow the vote to come to the floor...
...then we can wait until there's a new congress. I personally would prefer that. However, I understand the Repubs taking the current deal.
As time goes on, our side grows in strength - raw number of new memebers and moral authority as every wage earning American sees that the Democrats take more from your paycheck, Repubs come in, in January, and they will look like knights in shining armor as they lower taxes and it's seen in paychecks.
President O will not be able to negotiate because he can't deliver votes. No votes, no power.
Given this dynamic - I think the Dems will fold and let President O have this deal - the alternative carries much more down-side risk for the Dems than the Repubs.
And as a side note, I have run large projects with many players for business transactions measured in 100's of $million. I have NEVER entered a negotiation or decsion meeting without KNOWING I can deliver on EVERY committment. For the President to put a deal on the table and NOT have it locked down through a critical choke point, Speaker of the House, is simply amazing and insane.
It should make every American nervous when this guy (President O) enters negotiations with Iran, China, Russia, the Saudi's, North Korea, and Venezuela. What's he missing in those negotiations?
I would be fired if I conducted my business dealings like that and I am by no means dealing with matters as significant as our national security.
Paul Clare| 12.9.10 @ 6:53PM
Right On! Where are they getting the money to pay for the extra 13 months of unemployment? If the Senators want this they should take out of THEIR paycheck!
Remember November, Primaries are only 18 months away! We can chain saw away more of the dead wood then!
Too Many Tims| 12.9.10 @ 2:49PM
The Dems are fighting and scrabbling for the choppers like it's the fall of Saigon.
Nick| 12.9.10 @ 2:56PM
Mr. Klein,
Your post should've been titled "KAOS on Capitol Hill."
The democrat party increasingly resembles the fictious spy organization of "Get Smart" fame.
I can easily see Dingy Harry saying to his caucus (in a German accent, of course,) "Vee are demokrats! Vee don't cut taxes here!"
ncatty| 12.9.10 @ 2:57PM
If nothing gets done by these lame ducks, then the Alternative Minimum will kick in, the retroactive extension of research credits, itemized deductions for state and local income taxes, and standard deductions for state and local real property taxes will all go away. In addition, the expiration of the Bush era tax rules will result in an increase in taxes. Oh yes, and the proposed reduction in social security witholding taxes will not happen either. All this is doomsday for the economy. This is legislative malpractice of the highest order.
NVA Patriot| 12.9.10 @ 3:03PM
And Healthcare wasn't ;) !! :)
Interested Conservative| 12.9.10 @ 3:02PM
I remember back in '06, when the GOP lost both houses, but still had a POTUS, what a mess that lame duck session was - trying to cram everything through just to appease the "wealthy" one last time, and deny civil rights to so many innocent groups.
Oh, wait, did that happen, or am I misremembering again?
ncatty| 12.9.10 @ 3:24PM
Good one. The Dems are more ruthless than the GOP when it comes to legislative power. They lost big time on November 2. So what, they say, our term isn't over until the end of the year. Why should we bend to the will of the voters? Those slobs voted against us.
Warrior| 12.9.10 @ 5:22PM
Can you be a little more specific? The biggest controversy I remember was W trying a last ditch effort to get Bolton "approved." I can't remember anything on the magnitude of DREAM Act, tax increases, DADT, and/or climate change.
Francis| 12.9.10 @ 8:41PM
The only immigration law that should be demanded is to make illegal entrance into the United States a felony, with no excuses and no exceptions. This includes businesses that are twice caught hiring illegal workers, should be subject to a harsh fine, confiscation of business assets and after the second conviction--prison. It's blatantly obvious to me, that for years Washington has deceived the American people of both political parties. There has been no intention of enforcing immigration laws and this is proven without doubt. If illegal immigration had severe consequences, such as the above penalties the only enforcement program needed would be E-Verify mandated for every business owner. The majority of other restriction tools needed to halt the free flow of desperate, destitute people would radically decline; knowing that you would be convicted of a class “A” felony would collapse the ongoing flow.
This would be huge disincentive to economic foreign nationals crossing our borders, or using the excuse of being a tourist, fully aware they are not leaving once their visa runs out. No! There has been no true intention of halting illegal aliens coming here for work, or to commit crimes. Both Democrats and Republicans have remained impassive to the invasion, whether its 13 million or 20 million foreigners who have skirted our laws; of course that's according which side of the Washington chambers you are inclined to believe? Over thirty years of government neglect has brought this nightmare upon us, of incessant crimes against lawful citizens and permanent residents. Americans land owners living in constant fear along the 2000 miles of mostly unprotected border. Both political parties irrationally forget who pays their salaries and pensions while American find their wages sinking and the majority of Social programs of having to share these entitlements with illegal labor and their families.
Around the country, we have activist judges who ignore the US constitution and instead construe the law according to personal political orientation. Even now Arizona is under bombardment from open border radicals, or pro business entities, who do not want this Border States policing laws to be upheld. Then again the IRS is complicit in allowing illegal aliens to squat here, by issuing ITIN numbers, as foreigners cannot possess a real Social Security card. Over the last ten years we have seen an escalation in ID theft, with the courts saying this is not classed as a felony. Another un-exaggerated point is that illegal alien workers are collecting billions of dollars in income tax refunds, for children who don't exist or filing for the same child twice by each parent. For those people who believe that this is an embellishment, one only has to Google key words--illegal alien costs; illegal alien income tax refunds.
The are highly regarded reports on the expenditures of federal, state and county support of foreign nationals, that you as the taxpayer is erroneously paying. Sanctuary States like California under Liberal progressive control in Sacramento is depleting the state of billions of dollars, as they subsidize the millions in just Los Angeles County alone? The schools are in turmoil from overcrowding of children of illegal families, who by mandated law must be educated. In understaffed county hospitals have become places of last resort, for the multitudes of foreign nationals who live below the poverty line, so they are dependent on taxpayers. California has become an incubator for hundreds of thousands of illegal pregnant females, who collect under their new citizens-babies, namely billions of more dollars soaked from you and me.
Their children are a valuable commodity, because our 14th amendment law has been with intent compromised, so that children of illegal aliens are issued food stamps, low income housing and a large profusion of cash payment and other freebies. These illegal women are already aware that once the stand on our soil, that the US taxpayer will support them and all their children. Until we halt the illegal immigration occupation of this country, we a steadily heading for a irrevocable overpopulation. It should be remembered for every legal or illegal immigrant who settles here, brings many more immediate relation group follows. Every year millions come to America who already has a legal or illegal family member, who offers either a safe haven or an affidavit of support; who they sponsor. When an illegal alien is caught along the border, the US agents ask that individual where are they are going.
The majority answer I have a brother, or uncle in Denver, Salt Lake City or other major hub, who has a job for me. This is almost a perpetual loop of the same story over and over again. Alas, there is not enough room to explain what is happening around America ITS AN FINANCIAL catastrophe. ? Why should US citizens have to compete with foreign nationals? Why should legal construction workers or a laborer in any other job, have to compete with Contractors who hire foreign workers? When is this injustice to the American population going to end? Remember that--CHAIN MIGRATION--puts the United States in serious peril, even more so than the original sponsors. Learn much more about the OVERPOPULATION and its risks to the environment, infrastructure and quality of life at NumbersUSA The Dream Act in itself not a menace, although at least a 800.000 students would be eligible if they abide by the law?
The major problem that once legalized over how many years, they could bring in a whole spectrum of family. Chain migration has silently snowballed from the 1986 Immigration bill. Since that law was passed the Congress has quietly passed six amnesties, without any explanation, while at the same time admitting over a million new legal immigrants a year through a lottery of specific working visas. The Dream Act if passed is just another stealth type back door amnesty. Hopefully in our future—the TEA PARTY—will put an end to this serious pretense of each administration supposedly working for the populace. Don't give any Senator or Representative breathing room, and should get a cordial call the Washington Switchboard 202-224-3121 Until the Dream Act is amended--is must not be voted on--as is.