THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon,
everybody. Before I answer a few questions, I just wanted to
say a few words about the agreement we’ve reached on tax cuts.
My number one priority is to do what’s
right for the American people, for jobs, and for economic
growth. I’m focused on making sure that tens of millions of
hardworking Americans are not seeing their paychecks shrink on
January 1st just because the folks here in Washington are busy
trying to score political points.
And because of this agreement,
middle-class Americans won’t see their taxes go up on January 1st,
which is what I promised -- a promise I made during the campaign, a
promise I made as President.
Because of this agreement, 2 million
Americans who lost their jobs and are looking for work will be able
to pay their rent and put food on their table. And in
exchange for a temporary extension of the high-income tax breaks --
not a permanent but a temporary extension -- a policy that I
opposed but that Republicans are unwilling to budge on, this
agreement preserves additional tax cuts for the middle class that I
fought for and that Republicans opposed two years ago.
I’ll cite three of them. Number
one, if you are a parent trying to raise your child or pay college
tuition, you will continue to see tax breaks next year.
Second, if you’re a small business looking to invest and grow,
you’ll have a tax cut next year. Third, as a result of this
agreement, we will cut payroll taxes in 2011, which will add about
$1,000 to the take-home pay of a typical family.
So this isn’t an abstract debate.
This is real money for real people that will make a real difference
in the lives of the folks who sent us here. It will make a
real difference in the pace of job creation and economic
growth. In other words, it’s a good deal for the American
people.
Now, I know there are some who would
have preferred a protracted political fight, even if it had meant
higher taxes for all Americans, even if it had meant an end to
unemployment insurance for those who are desperately looking for
work.
And I understand the desire for a
fight. I’m sympathetic to that. I’m as opposed to the
high-end tax cuts today as I’ve been for years. In the long
run, we simply can’t afford them. And when they expire in two
years, I will fight to end them, just as I suspect the Republican
Party may fight to end the middle-class tax cuts that I’ve
championed and that they’ve opposed.
So we’re going to keep on having this debate. We’re going
to keep on having this battle. But in the meantime I’m not
here to play games with the American people or the health of our
economy. My job is to do whatever I can to get this economy
moving. My job is to do whatever I can to spur job
creation. My job is to look out for middle-class families who
are struggling right now to get by and Americans who are out of
work through no fault of their own.
A long political fight that carried
over into next year might have been good politics, but it would be
a bad deal for the economy and it would be a bad deal for the
American people. And my responsibility as President is to do
what’s right for the American people. That’s a responsibility
I intend to uphold as long as I am in this office.
So with that, let me take a couple of
questions.
Ben Feller.
Q Thank you, Mr.
President. You’ve been telling the American people all along
that you oppose extending the tax cuts for the wealthier
Americans. You said that again today. But what you
never said was that you oppose the tax cuts, but you’d be willing
to go ahead and extend them for a couple years if the politics of
the moment demand it.
So what I’m wondering is when you take
a stand like you had, why should the American people believe that
you’re going to stick with it? Why should the American people
believe that you’re not going to flip flop?
THE PRESIDENT: Hold on a second,
Ben. This isn’t the politics of the moment. This has to
do with what can we get done right now. So the issue --
here’s the choice. It’s very stark. We can’t get my
preferred option through the Senate right now. As a
consequence, if we don’t get my option through the Senate right
now, and we do nothing, then on January 1st of this -- of 2011, the
average family is going to see their taxes go up about
$3,000. Number two: At the end of this month, 2 million
people will lose their unemployment insurance.
Now, I have an option, which is to say,
you know what, I’m going to keep fighting a political fight, which
I can’t win in the Senate -- and by the way, there are going to be
more Republican senators in the Senate next year sworn in than
there are currently. So the likelihood that the dynamic is
going to improve for us getting my preferred option through the
Senate will be diminished. I’ve got an option of just holding
fast to my position and, as a consequence, 2 million people may not
be able to pay their bills and tens of millions of people who are
struggling right now are suddenly going to see their paychecks
smaller. Or alternatively, what I can do is I can say that I
am going to stick to my position that those folks get relief, that
people get help for unemployment insurance. And I will
continue to fight before the American people to make the point that
the Republican position is wrong.
Now, if there was not collateral
damage, if this was just a matter of my politics or being able to
persuade the American people to my side, then I would just stick to
my guns, because the fact of the matter is the American people
already agree with me. There are polls showing right now that
the American people, for the most part, think it’s a bad idea to
provide tax cuts to the wealthy.
But the issue is not me persuading the
American people; they’re already there. The issue is, how do
I persuade the Republicans in the Senate who are currently blocking
that position. I have not been able to budge them. And
I don’t think there’s any suggestion anybody in this room thinks
realistically that we can budge them right now.
And in the meantime, there are a whole bunch of people being
hurt and the economy would be damaged. And my first job is to
make sure that the economy is growing, that we’re creating jobs out
there, and that people who are struggling are getting some
relief. And if I have to choose between having a protracted
political battle on the one hand, but those folks being hurt or
helping those folks and continuing to fight this political battle
over the next two years, I will choose the latter.
Q If I may follow up quickly, sir, you’re
describing the situation you’re in right now. What about the
last two years when it comes to your preferred option? Was
there a failure either on the part of the Democratic leadership on
the Hill or here that you couldn’t preclude these wealthier cuts
from going forward?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me say that on the Republican
side, this is their holy grail, these tax cuts for the
wealthy. This is -- seems to be their central economic
doctrine. And so, unless we had 60 votes in the Senate at any
given time, it would be very hard for us to move this
forward. I have said that I would have liked to have seen a
vote before the election. I thought this was a strong
position for us to take into the election, to crystallize the
positions of the two parties, because I think the Democrats have
better ideas. I think our proposal to make sure that the
middle class is held harmless, but that we don’t make these Bush
tax cuts permanent for wealthy individuals, because it was going to
cost the country at a time when we’ve got these looming deficits,
that that was the better position to take. And the American
people were persuaded by that.
But the fact of the matter is, I haven’t persuaded the
Republican Party. I haven’t persuaded Mitch McConnell and I
haven’t persuaded John Boehner. And if I can’t persuade them,
then I’ve got to look at what is the best thing to do, given that
reality, for the American people and for jobs.
Julianna.
Q Thank you, Mr.
President. Back in July, your budget office’s Mid-Session
Review forecast that unemployment would be 7.7 percent in the
second -- in the fourth quarter of 2012. Will this package
deal lower that projected rate? And also, is it going to do
more to boost growth and create jobs than your Recovery Act?
THE PRESIDENT: This is not as
significant a boost to the economy as the Recovery Act was, but
we’re in a different situation now. I mean, when the Recovery
Act passed, we were looking at a potential Great Depression and we
might have seen unemployment go up to 15 percent, 20 percent -- we
don’t know. In combination with the work we did in
stabilizing the financial system, the work that the Federal Reserve
did, that’s behind us now. We don’t have the danger of a
double-dip recession.
What we have is a situation in which
the economy, although growing, although company profits are up,
although we are seeing some job growth in the private sector, the
economy is not growing fast enough to drive down the unemployment
rate given the 8 million jobs that were lost before I came into
office and just as I was coming into office.
So what this package does is provide an
additional boost that is substantially more significant than I
think most economic forecasters had expected. And in fact,
you’ve already seen some, just over the last 24 hours, suggest that
we may see faster growth and more job growth as a consequence of
this package. I think the payroll tax holiday will have an
impact. Unemployment insurance probably has the biggest
impact in terms of making sure that the recovery that we have
continues and perhaps at a faster pace.
So, overall, every economist I’ve
talked to suggests that this will help economic growth and this
will help job growth over the next several months. And that
is the main criteria by which I made this decision.
Look, this is something that I think
everybody has to remember, and I would speak especially to my
fellow Democrats who I think rightly are passionate about
middle-class families, working families, low-income families who
are having the toughest time in this economy.
The single most important jobs program we can put in place is a
growing economy. The single most important anti-poverty
program we can put in place is making sure folks have jobs and the
economy is growing.
We can do a whole bunch of other stuff, but if the economy is
not growing, if the private sector is not hiring faster than it’s
currently hiring, then we are going to continue to have problems no
matter how many programs we put into place.
And that’s why, when I look at what our options were, for us to
have another three, four, five months of uncertainty, not only
would that have a direct impact on the people who see their
paychecks get smaller, not only would that have a direct impact on
people who are unemployed and literally depend on unemployment
insurance to pay the bills or keep their home or keep their car,
but in terms of macroeconomics, the overall health of the economy,
that would have been a damaging thing.
Q Just to follow up. The unemployment
rate was just north of 8 percent when the last Recovery Act was put
in place. It’s now 9.8 percent. Are you prepared to say
today that the unemployment rate is going to go down as a result of
this package?
THE PRESIDENT: My expectation is that the unemployment
rate is going to be going down because the economy is
growing. And even though it’s growing more slowly that I’d
like, it’s still growing.
Now, how fast it’s going to go down, how quickly the economy is
going to grow, when are private sector businesses going to start
making the investments in plant and equipment and actually start
hiring people again? There are a lot of economists out there
who have been struggling with that question.
So I’m not going to make a prediction. What I can say with
confidence is that this package will help strengthen the economy --
will help strengthen the recovery. That I’m confident
about.
Chuck Todd.
Q Mr. President, what
do you say to Democrats who say you’re rewarding Republican
obstruction here? You yourself used in your opening statement
they were unwilling to budge on this. A lot of progressive
Democrats are saying they’re unwilling to budge, and you’re asking
them to get off the fence and budge. Why should they be
rewarding Republican obstruction?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me use a
couple of analogies. I’ve said before that I felt that the
middle-class tax cuts were being held hostage to the high-end tax
cuts. I think it’s tempting not to negotiate with
hostage-takers, unless the hostage gets harmed. Then people
will question the wisdom of that strategy. In this case, the
hostage was the American people and I was not willing to see them
get harmed.
Again, this not an abstract political fight. This is not
isolated here in Washington. There are people right now who,
when their unemployment insurance runs out, will not be able to pay
the bills. There are folks right now who are just barely
making it on the paycheck that they’ve got, and when that paycheck
gets smaller on January 1st, they’re going to have to scramble to
figure out, how am I going to pay all my bills? How am I
going to keep on making the payments for my child’s college
tuition? What am I going to do exactly?
Now, I could have enjoyed the battle
with Republicans over the next month or two, because as I said, the
American people are on our side. This is not a situation in
which I have failed to persuade the American people of the
rightness of our position. I know the polls. The polls
are on our side on this. We weren’t operating from a position
of political weakness with respect to public opinion. The
problem is that Republicans feel that this is the single most
important thing that they have to fight for as a party. And
in light of that, it was going to be a protracted battle and they
would have a stronger position next year than they do
currently.
So I guess another way of thinking
about it is that if -- certainly if we had made a determination
that the deal was a permanent tax break for high-income individuals
in exchange for these short-term things that people need right now,
that would have been unacceptable. And the reason is, is
because you would be looking at $700 billion that would be added to
the deficit with very little on the short term that would help to
offset that.
The deal that we’ve struck here makes
the high-end tax cuts temporary, and that gives us the time to have
this political battle without having the same casualties for the
American people that are my number one concern.
Q If I may follow,
aren’t you telegraphing, though, a negotiating strategy of how the
Republicans can beat you in negotiations all the way through the
next year because they can just stick to their guns, stay united,
be unwilling to budge -- to use your words -- and force you to
capitulate?
THE PRESIDENT: I don’t think
so. And the reason is because this is a very unique
circumstance. This is a situation in which tens of millions
of people would be directly damaged and immediately damaged, and at
a time when the economy is just about to recover.
Now, keep in mind, I’ve just gone
through two years, Chuck, where the rap on me was I was too
stubborn and wasn’t willing to budge on a whole bunch of issues --
including, by the way, health care where everybody here was writing
about how, despite public opinion and despite this and despite
that, somehow the guy is going to bulldoze his way through this
thing.
Q Tell that to the
left -- they weren’t happy --
THE PRESIDENT: Well, but that’s my point. My point
is I don’t make judgments based on what the conventional wisdom is
at any given time. I make my judgments based on what I think
is right for the country and for the American people right now.
And I will be happy to see the
Republicans test whether or not I’m itching for a fight on a whole
range of issues. I suspect they will find I am. And I
think the American people will be on my side on a whole bunch of
these fights. But right now I want to make sure that the
American people aren’t hurt because we’re having a political fight,
and I think that this agreement accomplishes that.
And, as I said, there are a whole bunch
of things that they are giving up. I mean, the truth of the
matter is, from the Republican perspective, the Earned Income Tax
Credit, the college tuition tax credit, the Child Tax Credit -- all
those things that are so important for so many families across the
country -- those are things they really opposed. And so
temporarily, they are willing to go along with that, presumably
because they think they can beat me on that over the course of the
next two years.
And I’m happy to have that
battle. I’m happy to have that conversation. I just
want to make sure that the American people aren’t harmed while
we’re having that broader argument.
Scott Horsley.
Q Thank you, Mr.
President. Last week members of your administration were
boasting that your willingness to walk away from the Korean
negotiations led to a better deal. Can you explain how this
is --
THE PRESIDENT: The difference is
that if I didn’t get the Korea deal done on January 1st the taxes
of middle-class America wouldn’t go up. It’s pretty
straightforward. If we didn’t get the Korea deal done by
January 1st, 2 million people weren’t suddenly looking at having no
way to support their families.
And that’s why -- this goes to Chuck’s
question as well about what’s going to be different in the future.
You’ve got a situation here that was urgent for millions of people.
But as I recall, with the Korea free trade agreement, that
was deemed by conventional wisdom as an example of us not getting
something done. I remember a story above the fold on
that. Then when we got it done with a better deal that has
the endorsement of not only the U.S. auto companies but also of
labor, the story was sort of below the fold. So I would just
point that out. I think -- I am happy to be tested over the
next several months about our ability to negotiate with
Republicans.
Q Having bought that
time now, do you hope to use this two-year window to push for a
broader overhaul of the tax code?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes. And the
answer is yes. Part of what I want to do is to essentially
get the American people in a safe place so that we can then get the
economy in a stable place. And then we’re going to have to
have a broad-based discussion across the country about our
priorities. And I started doing that yesterday down in North
Carolina.
Here’s going to be the long-term
issue. We’ve had two years of emergency -- emergency economic
action on the banking industry, the auto industry, on unemployment
insurance, on a whole range of issues -- on state budgets.
The situation has now stabilized, although for those folks who are
out of work, it’s still an emergency. So we’ve still got to
focus short term on job growth.
But we’ve got to have a larger debate
about how is this -- how is this country going to win the economic
competition of the 21st century? How are we going to make
sure that we’ve got the best-trained workers in the world?
There was just a study that came out today showing how we’ve
slipped even further when it comes to math education and science
education.
So what are we doing to revamp our
schools to make sure our kids can compete? What are we doing
in terms of research and development to make sure that innovation
is still taking place here in the United States of America?
What are we doing about our infrastructure so that we have the best
airports and the best roads and the best bridges? And how are
we going to pay for all that at a time when we’ve got both
short-term deficit problems, medium-term deficit problems, and
long-term deficit problems?
Now, that’s going to be a big
debate. And it’s going to involve us sorting out what
government functions are adding to our competitiveness and
increasing opportunity and making sure that we’re growing the
economy, and which aspects of the government aren’t helping.
And then we’ve got to figure out how do
we pay for that. And that’s going to mean looking at the tax
code and saying, what’s fair, what’s efficient. And I don’t
think anybody thinks the tax code right now is fair or
efficient. But we’ve got to make sure that we don’t just
paper over those problems by borrowing from China or Saudi
Arabia. And so that’s going to be a major conversation.
And in that context, I don’t see how
the Republicans win that argument. I don’t know how they’re
going to be able to argue that extending permanently these high-end
tax cuts is going to be good for our economy when, to offset them,
we’d end up having to cut vital services for our kids, for our
veterans, for our seniors.
But I’m happy to listen to their
arguments. And I think the American people will benefit from
that debate. And that’s going to be starting next year.
Marc Ambinder.
Q Mr. President,
thank you. How do these negotiations affect negotiations or
talks with Republicans about raising the debt limit? Because
it would seem that they have a significant amount of leverage over
the White House now, going in. Was there ever any attempt by
the White House to include raising the debt limit as a part of this
package?
THE PRESIDENT: When you say it
would seem they’ll have a significant amount of leverage over the
White House, what do you mean?
Q Just in the sense
that they’ll say essentially we’re not going to raise the -- we’re
not going to agree to it unless the White House is able to or
willing to agree to significant spending cuts across the board that
probably go deeper and further than what you’re willing to
do. I mean, what leverage would you have --
THE PRESIDENT: Look, here’s my
expectation -- and I’ll take John Boehner at his word -- that
nobody, Democrat or Republican, is willing to see the full faith
and credit of the United States government collapse, that that
would not be a good thing to happen. And so I think that
there will be significant discussions about the debt limit
vote. That’s something that nobody ever likes to vote
on. But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s
going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just
stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower.
And so my expectation is, is that we
will have tough negotiations around the budget, but that ultimately
we can arrive at a position that is keeping the government open,
keeping Social Security checks going out, keeping veterans services
being provided, but at the same time is prudent when it comes to
taxpayer dollars.
Jonathan Weisman, last question.
Q Some on the left
have questioned -- have looked at this deal and questioned what
your core values are, what specifically you will go to the mat
on. I’m wondering if you can reassure them with some specific
things in saying, all right, this is where I don’t budge. And
along those lines, what’s going to be different in 2012, when all
these tax cuts again are up for expiration?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, what’s going
to be different in 2012 we’ve just discussed, which is we will have
had two years to discuss the budget -- not in the abstract, but in
concrete terms. Over the last two years, the Republicans have
had the benefit of watching us take all these emergency actions,
having us preside over a $1.3 trillion deficit that we inherited
and just pointing fingers and saying, that’s their problem.
Well, over the next two years, they’re
going to have to show me what it is that they think they can
do. And I think it becomes pretty clear, after you go through
the budget line by line, that if in fact they want to pay for $700
billion worth of tax breaks to wealthy individuals, that that’s a
lot of money and that the cuts -- corresponding cuts that would
have to be made are very painful. So either they rethink
their position, or I don’t think they’re going to do very well in
2012. So that’s on the first point.
With respect to the bottom line in
terms of what my core principles are --
Q Where is your line
in the sand?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, look, I’ve
got a whole bunch of lines in the sand. Not making the tax
cuts for the wealthy permanent -- that was a line in the
sand. Making sure that the things that most impact
middle-class families and low-income families, that those were
preserved -- that was a line in the sand. I would not have
agreed to a deal, which, by the way, some in Congress were talking
about, of just a two-year extension on the Bush tax cuts and one
year of unemployment insurance, but meanwhile all the other
provisions, the Earned Income Tax Credit or other important breaks
for middle-class families like the college tax credit, that those
had gone away just because they had Obama’s name attached to them
instead of Bush’s name attached to them.
So this notion that somehow we are
willing to compromise too much reminds me of the debate that we had
during health care. This is the public option debate all over
again. So I pass a signature piece of legislation where we
finally get health care for all Americans, something that Democrats
had been fighting for for a hundred years, but because there was a
provision in there that they didn’t get that would have affected
maybe a couple of million people, even though we got health
insurance for 30 million people and the potential for
lower premiums for 100 million people, that
somehow that was a sign of weakness and compromise.
Now, if that’s the standard by which we are measuring success or
core principles, then let’s face it, we will never get anything
done. People will have the satisfaction of having a purist
position and no victories for the American people. And we
will be able to feel good about ourselves and sanctimonious about
how pure our intentions are and how tough we are, and in the
meantime, the American people are still seeing themselves not able
to get health insurance because of preexisting conditions or not
being able to pay their bills because their unemployment insurance
ran out.
That can’t be the measure of how we
think about our public service. That can’t be the measure of
what it means to be a Democrat. This is a big, diverse
country. Not everybody agrees with us. I know that
shocks people. The New York Times editorial page does not
permeate across all of America. Neither does The Wall Street
Journal editorial page. Most Americans, they’re just trying
to figure out how to go about their lives and how can we make sure
that our elected officials are looking out for us. And that
means because it’s a big, diverse country and people have a lot of
complicated positions, it means that in order to get stuff done,
we’re going to compromise. This is why FDR, when he started
Social Security, it only affected widows and orphans. You did
not qualify. And yet now it is something that really helps a
lot of people. When Medicare was started, it was a small
program. It grew.
Under the criteria that you just set
out, each of those were betrayals of some abstract ideal.
This country was founded on compromise. I couldn’t go through
the front door at this country’s founding. And if we were
really thinking about ideal positions, we wouldn’t have a
union.
So my job is to make sure that we have
a North Star out there. What is helping the American people
live out their lives? What is giving them more
opportunity? What is growing the economy? What is
making us more competitive? And at any given juncture, there
are going to be times where my preferred option, what I am
absolutely positive is right, I can’t get done.
And so then my question is, does it
make sense for me to tack a little bit this way or tack a little
bit that way, because I’m keeping my eye on the long term and the
long fight -- not my day-to-day news cycle, but where am I going
over the long term?
And I don’t think there’s a single
Democrat out there, who if they looked at where we started when I
came into office and look at where we are now, would say that
somehow we have not moved in the direction that I promised.
Take a tally. Look at what I
promised during the campaign. There’s not a single thing that
I’ve said that I would do that I have not either done or tried to
do. And if I haven’t gotten it done yet, I’m still trying to
do it.
And so the -- to my Democratic friends,
what I’d suggest is, let’s make sure that we understand this is a
long game. This is not a short game. And to my
Republican friends, I would suggest -- I think this is a good
agreement, because I know that they’re swallowing some things that
they don’t like as well, and I’m looking forward to seeing them on
the field of competition over the next two years.
"My number one priority is to do what's right for the American
people..." Please keep reminding us because you are doing the
opposite.
ncatty| 12.7.10 @ 5:14PM
I see a pattern here. Reporter asks a two sentence question and
gets a ten paragraph "answer". Bring back the teleprompter!
Pete| 12.7.10 @ 6:39PM
THE PRESIDENT: This is not as significant a boost to the economy
as the Recovery Act was, but we’re in a different situation now. I
mean, when the Recovery Act passed, we were looking at a potential
Great Depression and we might have seen unemployment go up to 15
percent, 20 percent -- we don’t know.
How does this buffoon live with himself? Never miss an
opportunity to repeat a lie.
Occam's Tool| 12.7.10 @ 7:01PM
One of the things that my wife and I noted during the election
is that Obama tends to be a semantic null. Eliminate shout outs,
stock phrases, etc., and one is left with very little.
Here, for example, it is: "I'd like to win in 2012. My presently
constructed approach on taxes is not in keeping with that wish.
Therefore, I will bad mouth the Republicans and take credit for
their ideas if it is a success." That's it. Takes pages.
Remember Calvin Coolidge? He's at a party and two women come up
to him and say that Woman A is betting that he will say more than 2
words to them. His response: "You lose."
ncatty| 12.7.10 @ 5:09PM
"My number one priority is to do what's right for the American people..." Please keep reminding us because you are doing the opposite.
ncatty| 12.7.10 @ 5:14PM
I see a pattern here. Reporter asks a two sentence question and gets a ten paragraph "answer". Bring back the teleprompter!
Pete| 12.7.10 @ 6:39PM
THE PRESIDENT: This is not as significant a boost to the economy as the Recovery Act was, but we’re in a different situation now. I mean, when the Recovery Act passed, we were looking at a potential Great Depression and we might have seen unemployment go up to 15 percent, 20 percent -- we don’t know.
How does this buffoon live with himself? Never miss an opportunity to repeat a lie.
Occam's Tool| 12.7.10 @ 7:01PM
One of the things that my wife and I noted during the election is that Obama tends to be a semantic null. Eliminate shout outs, stock phrases, etc., and one is left with very little.
Here, for example, it is: "I'd like to win in 2012. My presently constructed approach on taxes is not in keeping with that wish. Therefore, I will bad mouth the Republicans and take credit for their ideas if it is a success." That's it. Takes pages.
Remember Calvin Coolidge? He's at a party and two women come up to him and say that Woman A is betting that he will say more than 2 words to them. His response: "You lose."
G-d, I miss Presidents like that.