On election night, Rep. Tim Bishop looked like he was cruising
to reelection to his seat representing New York’s 1st Congressional
District, in eastern Long Island. The first results out the morning
after showed him winning by 3,500 votes. Yet two days later, it
turned out that as a result of human error, the votes had been
mistabulated — in reality challenger Randy Altschuler was ahed by
a slim 383 votes. Now, Bishop is going to court to seek a full
recount. But the outcome is likely to hinge on 10,100 absentee
ballots remaining to be counted. And there, Altschuler appears to
be in good shape, a local news site, 27east.com
reports:
A party-by-party breakdown of the absentee ballots provided by
Mr. Schneider on Tuesday gives an apparent edge to Mr. Altschuler.
Mr. Schneider said 4,039 absentee ballots came from registered
Republicans, while 3,684 came from registered Democrats and 1,822
came from voters with no party affiliation. An additional 313 came
from Independence Party members, 248 from Conservative Party
members and 13 from Working Families Party members.
Here was Bishop last year in a contentious town hall meeting, in
which he told jeering constituents that, “”the central purpose of
the constitution is to provide for the common good.”
Will we ever find out if all of the New York votes were called
in, as in previous elections, only to find out the actual vote
count is different?
As a New York voter, I still find it curious how there were
4,236,699 votes for governor; 4,141,964 votes for the senior senate
seat; 4,067,121 votes for the special election senate seat;
4,051,333 votes for NY Comptroller, and 4,019,956 votes for NY
Attorney General.
All of those totals were from the NYT on November 8, which was
still showing Bishop had won CD-1.
I just want to know the ACTUAL vote tallies, not what the poll
workers phoned in. New York is not used to close contests, and the
process of phoning in the tallies (I was a poll worker in 2001 and
phoned in my tally as instructed) remains subject to human
error.
Did all of the mailed late NY military ballots come in?
I still want an electronic machine that tells me who I voted for
- I vote in the Bronx and the absence of a 'receipt' confirming my
votes registered properly was very distressing. After all, the only
candidate who made contact with my home was my state assemblyman.
No one else asked me for my vote, so I figure the new machines are
rigged.
A machine which tells you who you voted for? Heck, I want a
return to paper ballots (with OCR tally to speed things up) where
there is an actual ballot which can be checked during recounts.
Depending solely on machines is an open invitation to electoral
fraud.
NYC changed to a paper ballot that then gets scanned. It appears
the paper ballots are retained in a black box that was not visible.
I object to the scanner solely telling me my scan was
successful.
How do I know that my votes were recorded accurately? What happened
to the concept of an ATM-style receipt for the voter?
I believe there is a Federal (ha ha ha) investigation into the
procurement process for the NYC voting machines. Add that future
scandal to the list. I think the other 57 counties each chose their
own system, but who knows? Not like the NYC news media will ever
share any of this...maybe Bloomberg can focus on the scandal that
is the NYC Board of Elections. Maybe some of them smoke cigarettes
- THAT will get Mayor Mike's attention.
Besides the fact that you do NOT have to show any
identification, the voter logs make it impossible (?) to vote more
than once using the same name in the same election district, each
ED is at a separate table at your polling site.
I am a native New Yorker, the city. And for nearly a decade,
before I moved away in 1990, (I hate the cold, awaiting global
warming big time!) I tried to register as a Libertarian. And each
time my voter registration card came back "Democrat." Multiple
times I tried to correct it by mail as suggested. I finally had to
go down, twice, (once in Brooklyn, once in Manhattan) to the
registrar of voters and ensure that it was recorded correctly, as I
wanted. I do not trust the New York voting system. No, I do not.
Sue to win, contest every count. Do not give them respite. The
Democrats are vote thieves of enormous proportions. They stole my
very party affiliation time and time again.
One of the most interesting aspects of the contest for NY-1 is
that the DNC's OFA was ONLY active in CD-1 south of NY19 (Hall vs
Hayworth). Busloads of people from Brooklyn, most likely Working
Families Party, were out in NY1 every weekend. Apparently the DNC
did not think NY13 (McMahon vs Grimm), Staten Island plus a bit of
SW Brooklyn that has historically been Republican, was really in
play.
In all fairness to the DNC, the national GOP was also ignoring NY13
until about three weeks before the election when they added Grimm
to their Young Guns program.
It is as if the NY and national GOP are allergic to NYC which is
odd considering that Giuliani won two terms as mayor. I do not
count Bloomberg's first win because everyone knew he was a liberal
Democrat who borrowed the GOP line.
Someday, someone will notice that more than half of registered
voters in NYC even bother to vote for anything. I assume it is from
depression bred from cynicism. The NYC Dems rely on low voter
turnout to protect incumbency - that is what I was told in 2004,
the last time I tried to be a Democrat.
My cynicism is now channeled to selective protest voting, to
confuse the analysts. Not that it makes a difference, but I am
trapped by outrageous circumstance in this Bronx ED.
The debacle of this president’s administration is both a cause
and a symptom of the decline of American values. Unless Congress
impeaches him, that decline will go on unchecked. An eminent jurist
surveys the damage and assesses the chances for the recovery of our
culture.
The American Christmas, like the songs that celebrate it,
makes room for everybody under the rainbow. Is that why so
many people seem to be hostile to it?
PattyMor| 11.12.10 @ 1:05PM
Better to win by sneaking up on them. When they don't know they are behind, they can't stuff the ballot box and "missing" bags of votes.
K2K| 11.12.10 @ 7:09PM
Will we ever find out if all of the New York votes were called in, as in previous elections, only to find out the actual vote count is different?
As a New York voter, I still find it curious how there were 4,236,699 votes for governor; 4,141,964 votes for the senior senate seat; 4,067,121 votes for the special election senate seat; 4,051,333 votes for NY Comptroller, and 4,019,956 votes for NY Attorney General.
All of those totals were from the NYT on November 8, which was still showing Bishop had won CD-1.
I just want to know the ACTUAL vote tallies, not what the poll workers phoned in. New York is not used to close contests, and the process of phoning in the tallies (I was a poll worker in 2001 and phoned in my tally as instructed) remains subject to human error.
Did all of the mailed late NY military ballots come in?
I still want an electronic machine that tells me who I voted for - I vote in the Bronx and the absence of a 'receipt' confirming my votes registered properly was very distressing. After all, the only candidate who made contact with my home was my state assemblyman. No one else asked me for my vote, so I figure the new machines are rigged.
Ed in North Texas| 11.13.10 @ 9:08AM
A machine which tells you who you voted for? Heck, I want a return to paper ballots (with OCR tally to speed things up) where there is an actual ballot which can be checked during recounts. Depending solely on machines is an open invitation to electoral fraud.
K2K| 11.13.10 @ 4:08PM
NYC changed to a paper ballot that then gets scanned. It appears the paper ballots are retained in a black box that was not visible. I object to the scanner solely telling me my scan was successful.
How do I know that my votes were recorded accurately? What happened to the concept of an ATM-style receipt for the voter?
I believe there is a Federal (ha ha ha) investigation into the procurement process for the NYC voting machines. Add that future scandal to the list. I think the other 57 counties each chose their own system, but who knows? Not like the NYC news media will ever share any of this...maybe Bloomberg can focus on the scandal that is the NYC Board of Elections. Maybe some of them smoke cigarettes - THAT will get Mayor Mike's attention.
Besides the fact that you do NOT have to show any identification, the voter logs make it impossible (?) to vote more than once using the same name in the same election district, each ED is at a separate table at your polling site.
Jim Hlavac | 11.13.10 @ 12:09AM
I am a native New Yorker, the city. And for nearly a decade, before I moved away in 1990, (I hate the cold, awaiting global warming big time!) I tried to register as a Libertarian. And each time my voter registration card came back "Democrat." Multiple times I tried to correct it by mail as suggested. I finally had to go down, twice, (once in Brooklyn, once in Manhattan) to the registrar of voters and ensure that it was recorded correctly, as I wanted. I do not trust the New York voting system. No, I do not. Sue to win, contest every count. Do not give them respite. The Democrats are vote thieves of enormous proportions. They stole my very party affiliation time and time again.
Explosion Proof Light | 11.13.10 @ 12:37AM
Anything that reduces the deficit is okay
FastJohnny| 11.13.10 @ 8:03AM
This isn't one of those 'diversity program afflicted' NY towns that allows people to vote more than once is it?
K2K| 11.13.10 @ 4:24PM
One of the most interesting aspects of the contest for NY-1 is that the DNC's OFA was ONLY active in CD-1 south of NY19 (Hall vs Hayworth). Busloads of people from Brooklyn, most likely Working Families Party, were out in NY1 every weekend. Apparently the DNC did not think NY13 (McMahon vs Grimm), Staten Island plus a bit of SW Brooklyn that has historically been Republican, was really in play.
In all fairness to the DNC, the national GOP was also ignoring NY13 until about three weeks before the election when they added Grimm to their Young Guns program.
It is as if the NY and national GOP are allergic to NYC which is odd considering that Giuliani won two terms as mayor. I do not count Bloomberg's first win because everyone knew he was a liberal Democrat who borrowed the GOP line.
Someday, someone will notice that more than half of registered voters in NYC even bother to vote for anything. I assume it is from depression bred from cynicism. The NYC Dems rely on low voter turnout to protect incumbency - that is what I was told in 2004, the last time I tried to be a Democrat.
My cynicism is now channeled to selective protest voting, to confuse the analysts. Not that it makes a difference, but I am trapped by outrageous circumstance in this Bronx ED.