A new Gallup
poll finds that President Obama would beat Hillary Clinton by a
52 percent to 37 percent margin in a hypothetical 2012 matchup.
The idea of an Obama-Clinton rematch sometimes comes up in
Washington conversations, but I've never taken it seriously.
There's no good reason why Clinton would burn bridges and launch an
underdog bid to challenge Obama when if she waits four more years,
she would be in much stronger position. With Vice President Biden
too old to run for president after Obama, that leaves Clinton the
most prominent administration official available in 2016. Assuming
she continues to serve Obama without much controversy, she can help
diminish her problems with his loyal supporters. She can leave the
administration at some point to write a book and plan out a 2016
run. This pathway to the 2016 Democratic nomination could be viable
whether or not Obama gets re-elected. I'm not saying this is what
is going to happen, but only that it makes a lot more sense than
her challenging Obama in 2012.
With all due respect to Philip's expertise, I will disagree with
his thesis. I think she will resign her State Secretary position
next year and run agianst him in 2012. He is toxic to Democrats now
and will destroy the Democratic Party by 2012 unless she challenges
him. She represents LIBERALISM, whereas he represents EXTREME
RADICALISM; and Democrats will look to her to save their party from
extinction!!!!!!!!!!!!
Siegfried X| 9.30.10 @ 4:08PM
Yes. The idea of Hillary challenging Obama in 2012 is absurd. It
would simply divide their party. Even if Hillary could win the
nomination, many Obama supporters would likely stay home out of
bitterness, so she would lose the general election.
It also should not be assumed that Hillary would automatically
win the nomination if Obama weren't running. Many Democrats see
Hillary as being a moderate, and so would prefer someone else.
Oldefarte| 9.30.10 @ 4:33PM
BS, then why are numerous recent polls indicating that Hillary's
survey numbers are higher than Obama's? Again, he's destroying his
party and she represents salvation for same!!!!!!
Siegfried X| 10.1.10 @ 10:37AM
The poll in this article shows Obama with a massive lead over
Hillary, "15 points".
More importantly, Obama is the president and not Hillary. If
Hillary run against him in the primary and won, Obama's voters
would see it as betrayal. They'd stay home or vote for someone like
Ralph Nader instead.
WGMOW| 9.30.10 @ 4:16PM
I think Hillary will run, but will lose again to the
Obamanation. In 2008 the Democrap, oops I mean Democrat's primary
was all about the racism industry trumping the sexism industry. The
racism industry will always rake in the bigger bag of cash;
therfore Obama wins,and the Right wins too, as the O will lose the
2012 election.
Oldefarte| 9.30.10 @ 4:36PM
He won independents buying into his BS about HOPE and CHANGE.
Now after several years of exposure to the reality of who/what he
is, the DP will go with her over him in a heartbeat!!!!!!!!
Michael L. Hauschild| 9.30.10 @ 4:35PM
CNN? (see Murkowski) Oh, and S X there is no such concept as
"faithful" in the democrat playbook.
JP| 9.30.10 @ 4:45PM
I don't think Hillary would divide the Dems. It all depends on
how Obama exists. I've thought for several months that it appears
Obama really doesn't like his job. This may sound strange, but
President Obama is not really a politican per se, as much as he is
an Progressive autocrat. And autocrats do not do well in
democracies. His inner circle is now leaving him, and 2011 looks to
be a bad year for this nation. And for Obama in particular why
would he want to stay? He's gotten pretty much all he could ever
expect; and with the loss of his large governing majorities, he
will if he can protect what he has accomplished. Why would he want
to stay?
My thinking is he will be offered some post at the UN, or
perhaps a university presidency, or head of a large international
non-profit (George Soros funded?). He will also say that his job as
President is hurting his marriage and family. Blah, Blah, Blah,
etc...
The Dems at that point will be in total meltdown, as 25
Democratic Senate seats will be up for grabs in 2012. And the
Tea-Party will continue to grow and attract even liberals...
MarkJ| 9.30.10 @ 5:12PM
First of all, we have to predicate all of the above on the
assumption that Obama will somehow manage to finish his first term.
With a GOP Congress now a very real possibility, who's to say Obama
might not resign in a fit of pique once he realizes his agenda is
at full-stop, rapidly taking on water, and listing 45 degrees to
port? This scenario would be increasingly viable once the
Republicans start defunding, devolving, gutting, repealing, and
generally cutting down to size vast swathes of His Majesty's
Government. ;)
DrTomVoter| 9.30.10 @ 7:33PM
What was the biggest criticism of Hillary during the primaries -
no foreign ploicy experience. Why would she take a postion
subserviant to Obama? Do the Clintons do anything without personal
gain for them? She will sell herself as a moderate (compared to
Obama), and many women and independents will buy it and flock to
support her.
dacom| 10.1.10 @ 10:53PM
The fact that she didn't have 'foreign policy" experience and
yet they vote for Obama was ludicrous. Civil Rights trumped Women's
Rights here, always has. Hillary was more prepared than most
candidates ever. Now the folks who doubted her are seeing the
light. Hillary won't run in '12 unless Obama decides not to run.
Otherwise, she would run and win. But she has 2016 to run, if she
even wants it. There is no other Dem in that position man or woman.
Hillary beat Obama in the Popular vote last time, and was only
beaten by some of his caucus states. DNC screwed her by rule
changes, and now they reap what they sow.
Serenity Now, Serenity Now...| 10.1.10 @ 12:13AM
Who is this "Hillary" person to whom you refer? Some shrill vile
witch, I presume.
Bob K.| 10.1.10 @ 7:33AM
Big deal! Nobody likes her. He should poll well against her.
Lucky for him that there isn't a "likeable" potential Democratic
rival on the horizon.
Oldefarte| 9.30.10 @ 4:04PM
With all due respect to Philip's expertise, I will disagree with his thesis. I think she will resign her State Secretary position next year and run agianst him in 2012. He is toxic to Democrats now and will destroy the Democratic Party by 2012 unless she challenges him. She represents LIBERALISM, whereas he represents EXTREME RADICALISM; and Democrats will look to her to save their party from extinction!!!!!!!!!!!!
Siegfried X| 9.30.10 @ 4:08PM
Yes. The idea of Hillary challenging Obama in 2012 is absurd. It would simply divide their party. Even if Hillary could win the nomination, many Obama supporters would likely stay home out of bitterness, so she would lose the general election.
It also should not be assumed that Hillary would automatically win the nomination if Obama weren't running. Many Democrats see Hillary as being a moderate, and so would prefer someone else.
Oldefarte| 9.30.10 @ 4:33PM
BS, then why are numerous recent polls indicating that Hillary's survey numbers are higher than Obama's? Again, he's destroying his party and she represents salvation for same!!!!!!
Siegfried X| 10.1.10 @ 10:37AM
The poll in this article shows Obama with a massive lead over Hillary, "15 points".
More importantly, Obama is the president and not Hillary. If Hillary run against him in the primary and won, Obama's voters would see it as betrayal. They'd stay home or vote for someone like Ralph Nader instead.
WGMOW| 9.30.10 @ 4:16PM
I think Hillary will run, but will lose again to the Obamanation. In 2008 the Democrap, oops I mean Democrat's primary was all about the racism industry trumping the sexism industry. The racism industry will always rake in the bigger bag of cash; therfore Obama wins,and the Right wins too, as the O will lose the 2012 election.
Oldefarte| 9.30.10 @ 4:36PM
He won independents buying into his BS about HOPE and CHANGE. Now after several years of exposure to the reality of who/what he is, the DP will go with her over him in a heartbeat!!!!!!!!
Michael L. Hauschild| 9.30.10 @ 4:35PM
CNN? (see Murkowski) Oh, and S X there is no such concept as "faithful" in the democrat playbook.
JP| 9.30.10 @ 4:45PM
I don't think Hillary would divide the Dems. It all depends on how Obama exists. I've thought for several months that it appears Obama really doesn't like his job. This may sound strange, but President Obama is not really a politican per se, as much as he is an Progressive autocrat. And autocrats do not do well in democracies. His inner circle is now leaving him, and 2011 looks to be a bad year for this nation. And for Obama in particular why would he want to stay? He's gotten pretty much all he could ever expect; and with the loss of his large governing majorities, he will if he can protect what he has accomplished. Why would he want to stay?
My thinking is he will be offered some post at the UN, or perhaps a university presidency, or head of a large international non-profit (George Soros funded?). He will also say that his job as President is hurting his marriage and family. Blah, Blah, Blah, etc...
The Dems at that point will be in total meltdown, as 25 Democratic Senate seats will be up for grabs in 2012. And the Tea-Party will continue to grow and attract even liberals...
MarkJ| 9.30.10 @ 5:12PM
First of all, we have to predicate all of the above on the assumption that Obama will somehow manage to finish his first term. With a GOP Congress now a very real possibility, who's to say Obama might not resign in a fit of pique once he realizes his agenda is at full-stop, rapidly taking on water, and listing 45 degrees to port? This scenario would be increasingly viable once the Republicans start defunding, devolving, gutting, repealing, and generally cutting down to size vast swathes of His Majesty's Government. ;)
DrTomVoter| 9.30.10 @ 7:33PM
What was the biggest criticism of Hillary during the primaries - no foreign ploicy experience. Why would she take a postion subserviant to Obama? Do the Clintons do anything without personal gain for them? She will sell herself as a moderate (compared to Obama), and many women and independents will buy it and flock to support her.
dacom| 10.1.10 @ 10:53PM
The fact that she didn't have 'foreign policy" experience and yet they vote for Obama was ludicrous. Civil Rights trumped Women's Rights here, always has. Hillary was more prepared than most candidates ever. Now the folks who doubted her are seeing the light. Hillary won't run in '12 unless Obama decides not to run. Otherwise, she would run and win. But she has 2016 to run, if she even wants it. There is no other Dem in that position man or woman. Hillary beat Obama in the Popular vote last time, and was only beaten by some of his caucus states. DNC screwed her by rule changes, and now they reap what they sow.
Serenity Now, Serenity Now...| 10.1.10 @ 12:13AM
Who is this "Hillary" person to whom you refer? Some shrill vile witch, I presume.
Bob K.| 10.1.10 @ 7:33AM
Big deal! Nobody likes her. He should poll well against her. Lucky for him that there isn't a "likeable" potential Democratic rival on the horizon.