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Don’t Tell Me She Can’t Win, Sir

By on 9.15.10 @ 5:28PM

The response by the Republican political establishment to the Christine O’Donnell victory over liberal Republican Mike Castle in Delaware has been an embarrassment. A strong, vocal woman upturned the political tables in Delaware, a state where both political parties have been run like blue-blooded patriarchies for the better part of half a century, and all the boys that compose “the establishment” can muster is omniscient edicts about her absolute un-electability in a general election.

Funny, I don’t recall hearing similar talk from the likes of Mssrs. Rove and Cornyn after Scott Brown won in Massachusetts, Joe Miller won in Alaska, or Rand Paul won in Kentucky. In fact, despite similar sliming by the state party apparatus before Paul’s victory Rove was downright supportive of him, saying on Fox News that Rand Paul could win the general election, just as he could win the primary. And this was after the state party did its darnedest to tear Paul apart and to make him look like an incompetent kook, in many ways similar to what the Republican political class has been doing to O’Donnell.

The difference here is that once the primary was over, the political elites in Washington stood by their men. Why won’t they do it for the woman?

It’s ancient history by Washington standards, but when Sarah Palin ran against the political establishment in Alaska and did to that state what O’Donnell may be poised to do in Delaware, she faced similar political whining and whispers from the party elders, even after she won the governor’s race and even after she was accepting the offer of Sen. John McCain to serve as his running mate on a national ticket.

While they may not be intending to be sexist, the message, the attitude and whining sure make many in the GOP look eerily like the elites we are trying so hard to usurp. The sexism issues aside, it’s time for the Washington GOP establishment to man up and stop sulking over losing — no, getting walloped — by a woman they continue to insist is unqualified despite the fact that she has a pretty big win under her belt under pretty difficult circumstances.

I might point out that being trounced by an unqualified (they think) opponent is more a reason, not less, to humbly buck up, congratulate her and move forward. Frankly, it seems an emotional response. Strange, huh? This behavior does not play well with the very grassroots voters they are counting on to put them over the top in November. It’s time they understood these are different grassroots from anything the D.C. crowd has dealt with before.

The fact is, despite all of the Beltway Boys’ attempts to co-opt the Tea Party movement — which to my way of thinking is really a revitalized conservative movement under a much bigger tent — the movement has refused to play the Washington game.

When self-anointed “tea party leaders” have attempted to direct the movement, the citizens themselves have been savvy enough to sniff out many of the charlatans and keep their grassroots organizations focused on achieving their goals of throwing the bums out of office where necessary and appropriate.

Perhaps the reaction to O’Donnell is the result of the Beltway Boys’ understanding that the movement that has been taking hold across the country really is out of their control. Or perhaps they really are intimidated by a woman who has already proven that she can do it without them.

Regardless, Christine O’Donnell is our party’s nominee for a STILL highly winnable seat in Delaware. Lest we forget, this was the seat held by a plagiarizing career politician incapable of keeping his foot out of his mouth, Joe Biden. The people in Delaware believed they could do better. They voted for the conservative in the race. Now we need to support her and help get her over the finish line.

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Tim Williams | 9.15.10 @ 5:34PM

All good points. May I add a couple?

Karl Rove continues to attack the character and integrity of Christine O’Donnell, as if Mike Castle or Chris Coons have no baggage. It's not as if Coons has ever won a statewide race. Is he not a self-descibed former "bearded Marxist?" And now he's a shoo-in? Really?

The Delaware Republican primary voters who have already weighed the issues Rove raises found them not to be disqualifying. For that matter, the Delaware Republican Party presumably weighed those issues when it made O’Donnell its nominee for this very same Senate seat just two years ago.

So when they tell us now that O'Donnell has no chance, or she is unqualified, they are proving only their own cynicism and bad faith.

Michael L. Hauschild| 9.15.10 @ 10:00PM

Rubicon Rove has passed into the Fox news realm of the “benchmark guest.” No longer does anyone want or respect his opinion, he is just a relic or curiosity. They will parade him out for the current dustup, monitor his ratings, and as Hannity, Greta and Beck juxtaposition standings using him as a marquee they will ease him out of the rotation. He has become the squalid child whose only trick is showing you the turd in his diaper.

Beboper| 9.16.10 @ 1:47AM

I saw that Fox interview live.

At first, I just didn't like his analysis and was about to turn change the channel. But then the more Hannity expressed disagreement with Rove, the shriller and more character denigrating he became.

It occurred to me that perhaps Karl had had a couple too many drinks beforehand, but the personal nature of the attacks made me wonder if this woman had somehow snubbed him, personally.

There sure seems something more this than is known at this time.

Yes, Karl damaged himself severely. I didn't like him that much simply because he thought so much of himself and he was architect of the Bush 'Compassionate Conservatism' shtick.

In reference to conservatives, he is credited with retorting, 'fuk'um, where else will they go'.

Well, in reference to Rove, I say, 'fuk'im, who needs him.'

ItsTheConstitutionStupid| 9.16.10 @ 12:41PM

I saw the interview as well and agree with your bottom line.

My thought is, since when is Rove the standard bearer for the Conservative Movement? Bush is a liberal and one of the reasons we are in this mess.

Don’t get me wrong he was better than Kerry would have been.

kindness| 9.21.10 @ 11:13AM

'Bush is a liberal.'

Man, that is a hoot.

mzk1| 9.23.10 @ 3:35PM

In a relative sense, he is. He has been quoted as taking credit for moving the Republican party away from conservatism.

JFGalt| 9.16.10 @ 1:32PM

The problem is that the real Karl Rove has been coming out. He is part of the system that maintains the ruling class in power and now they are having to content with yet another person that they may not be able to control. Americans need to watch all of this closely so that they will see and learn that many of the goodness that they believed American politicians were about was phony. They don't care about you - its always been about power-for them and their friends-and definitely not you.

WithaFirmReliance| 9.16.10 @ 3:53PM

Totally agree. The first thing we need to do is get term limits and get rid of lifetime pensions! We need people willing to serve their country, not suck off their country for life

Ted Overcash| 9.16.10 @ 4:14PM

RIGHT, the framers never had career politcians in mind. This is at the root of the problem in Washington!

RNews| 9.21.10 @ 4:09PM

How do you know what the framers had in mind? Can you read their thoughts? I don't remember anything in the Constitution about term limits until FDR won a third term. Just saying.

RiverKing| 9.23.10 @ 12:19PM

Rather than term limits, we need a recall process in every jurisdiction. As the current regime is demonstrating, too much damage can be done between elections to rely on term limits.

Desmond FitzGerald| 9.27.10 @ 11:05AM

Brilliant! Wonderfully articulate. Right on the mark - and very funny.

Beboper| 9.16.10 @ 1:25AM

This was a fine article from a conservative female perspective: I too noticed all the nasty sexism openly directed at Christine O'Donnell (their references to 'character' and 'baggage' dripped with stereotypical implication and negative inuendo) - where's all the psuedo feminist caterwalling and outrage?

She might have facetious referred to Castle as the Grandpa from the Munsters (ha ha) but then the outrage would have been deafening. Instead, she focused on the issues which she had, and Castle didn't.

Mike| 9.16.10 @ 7:09AM

Please do us a favor, never ever compare Christine O'Donnell to Joe Miller, Scott Brown, Sharron Angle, Rand Paul, Ken Buck, Mike Lee. Mention together in a sentence with these people is an insult to these people. All these folks have done something in their real lives. Some are accomplished professionals, lawyers, doctor..some have been elected multiple times in their state...none have problems with shady finances, none have problems with nutty comments about masturbations, none would lie in their financial disclosures...and none would deploy shady tactics to attack their opponents...and all are electable in their states. People backing Christine should look harder for better conservatives in DE. If that's the best they can get, well, better not to have a crazy to represent them than to have one.

SDN| 9.16.10 @ 9:39AM

So, Mike, who signs your paycheck, Castle or Soros?

Oh, and since her comments track exactly with official Catholic Church doctrine, maybe you should take it up with the Pope.

Malia| 9.16.10 @ 9:44AM

Hey Mike, why not do yourself a favor and go back to the huggerton post where trolls like you belong? Are we actually supposed to believe that you have the best interests of Conservatives at heart? Thanks for the laugh. On second thought, stick around and you may learn something.

Amanda| 9.16.10 @ 2:32PM

The "nutjobs" are composed of the democraps
and rhinos along with the media. Go to
Christine's website where she answers her
critics. She had trouble paying her mortgage (?);
from what I read 25 to 50%+ of Americans can
identify; she had issues with the IRS (?); right
now I am arguing with the Illinois Dept. of Revenue about a $200.00+ tax bill I do not owe.
She had trouble paying her student loans (?); it
took me 10 years to pay off my loans from when
my daughters went to college. So what?!!!!

We are getting rid of the elite who look down their noses at us and replacing them with conservative thinking Americans who care about this country.
She is one of these. Her baggage is our baggage
and we don't mind so much. She is upfront about it; and upfront about conservative values.
Good enough for us folks!!! You elites can vote
for a liberal or rhino. Your choice.

Joe| 9.17.10 @ 4:25AM

Speaking of shady, please give me your theory as to how Castle became a millionare after almost 50 years of "serving" the people? Talk about shady!

jan | 9.16.10 @ 1:16PM

Karl Rove reduced himself to the Republican Establishment. I was a newcomer to politics in a city of 35,000. The locals told me they liked me but couldn't vote for me. I walked door-to-door, shook hands and carried 4 out of 5 precincts.

I wonder if Rove wants the dems to carry the Senate. Shame! Shame!

I have confidence in ODonnell in winning and I am sending her money in a few minutes.

Jan

2legit| 9.16.10 @ 2:06PM

karl rove. crazy like a fox.

JASmius | 9.15.10 @ 5:50PM

I won't tell you Christine O'Donnell *can't* win in November, Jeri. I will tell you it is extremely unlikely. She's got seven weeks to woo back all the Castle supporters she's hopelessly alienated, and that wouldn't get her to even. She'll need significant Democrat crossovers - the same Democrats that have had the gift of an appallingly unforced, Senate-seat-saving, majority-preserving Republican error dropped in their laps like like overripe manna from heaven. The same Democrats Mike Castle already had. How persuadable do you *really* think they're going to be?

Facts are stubborn things. They're fantastic when they back up our arguments, and "inconvenient" when they don't. In Delaware, the *fact* is that if Republicans wanted to gain Joe Biden's old Senate seat, they nominated the wrong candidate.

That's not "cyncism" or "bad faith"; it's simply reality.

Tim Williams| 9.15.10 @ 6:12PM

It's not cynicism or bad faith? Really?

What do you call it when the same experts who trotted her out as their candidate for the very same seat just two years ago now tell us she's a "flawed candidate" who has "no chance to win?"

What's the principle they are standing up for, exactly? That it's all just a big game? Cheer for the team in the red shirts, meet you at halftime for some pork?

Last time I checked, Mike Castle couldn't win his own party's primary against a "flawed candidate" with "no chance to win." That doesn't exactly build the case for his otherwise inevitable election in November.

THAT's reality.

Sarah | 9.15.10 @ 6:23PM

If THAT many democrats were going to vote for him, enough to win an election where the republican VOTERS obviously DON'T support him, then what the heck kind of republican candidate is he???

RoGER| 9.15.10 @ 7:48PM

If the GOP just wanted to gain Joe Biden's old seat, then I am glad O'Donnell won. I don't give a tinkers dam whether the GOP gets another seat. They haven't done anything with the seats they have held for the past several years.

P Campbell| 9.15.10 @ 11:39PM

Amen to that RoGER. They'd better learn they can either support limited government candidates or they can wander in the minority wilderness 'til they rot.

George| 9.16.10 @ 9:03AM

Amen, Roger. I could not have said it better.

Granny| 9.16.10 @ 9:34AM

I agree! Why vote for a repub who is gonna vote with obama? Might as well have a dem instead of a RINO.

RiverKing| 9.23.10 @ 12:24PM

Better to have a dem, Granny. No sense in allowing Republicans to be tarred by RINO actions supporting liberal policies.

Booger| 9.15.10 @ 10:29PM

Dear Jasminus,

Actually, that is an assertion rather than a fact. It may even qualify as an argument if you can give enough supporting evidence and construct a logical statement. Labelling an assertion as a fact is a sub-logical, often dishonest tactic generally used in an attempt to bully the opposition into silence. When you have learned to properly differentiate between facts and assertions, not to mention arguments, you may have something worthwhile to say. In the meantime, WORD TO YOUR MOTHER.

Cordially,

Booger

jdkchem| 9.15.10 @ 11:32PM

Dear Booger,
AWESOME!

GFFM| 9.16.10 @ 12:13AM

I would agree with most of what you have said. But, Castle did not run a good campaign; in fact, he acted as if he were put out by a Tea Party candidate and was not at all forceful about his conservative voting record. He was dismissive and personal. It's unlikely O'Donnell will win; however, RAnd Paul is much worse, a major buffoon compared to her and Rove and company have not complained at all. There is some good ol' boy, Anglo White sexism going on here for sure. There is also a class thing going on here as well. The lion's share of the fault, however, lies with Castle. He ran a lackluster, boring, completely establishment campaign and it lost him the primary. Put the responsibility where it truly lies.

Conspiracy Theory| 9.16.10 @ 12:45AM

Do you remember the guy who took back the people's seat? I donated to his 'hopeless' 'snowball's chance in hell' campaign too.

Think again.

Nick Stehle| 9.16.10 @ 10:12AM

You must've forgotten about the very conservative Ronald Reagan winning 49 states as recently as 1984, including Delaware. Oops. Better luck with logic next time.

Jan| 9.16.10 @ 1:18PM

You might be right that Castile was right for carrying Biden's seat. But, who needs a Republican that votes Democrat. If we are going to have a Democrat let's have one and have a fair and Vigerous campaign. Republicans need to decide what they want: A Government run by the people and for the people or politics as usual.

Jan

jan| 9.16.10 @ 1:35PM

I forgot to end my message at 1:18 with the following:

I am sending ODonnell my money to add to the $750,000 she got after the polls closed last night. She should win, if she doesn't: shame on me for not fighting harder and shame on you: for not fighting for her harder.

Jan

jan| 9.16.10 @ 1:40PM

We don't want any Republican .....that's our problem. Exp. Arizona re-elected McCain who has been a Senator for how many years and never took care of the border....shame on them..

We want a Republican that supports our issues, supports the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. We want a true Republican not a Republican who campaigns as a republican, wins and votes with the Democrats.
It can be done. I have done it.

Jan

Amanda| 9.16.10 @ 2:39PM

The voters in Delaware break down 3 to 1 in
favor of registered Democrats I believe. Christine
just needs the conservatives to come out in droves. I say we've had enough of this crapola.
Christine can be our poster gal against the liberal
and rhino elites. Go Christine! We true conservatives are behind you! The rest of the
naysayers? Ignore em!

Jon| 9.16.10 @ 2:48PM

If O'Donnell loses, then we'll have a real Democrat in office, not someone pretending to be a Republican. If the voters of Delaware are that foolish, then it is what it is, too bad for them. At least, there's now a clear choice.

Joe| 9.17.10 @ 4:06AM

She was leading the "Bearded Marxist" in polling until Castle and the other sore loser establishment RINOs started trashing her. I think she will win. She has already raised almost $1.5 mil since the elction. I am glad that the dried up old RINO Castle is done after sucking the Government teat for half a century. This outcome is great for making the statist elites show us who they are.

Smit| 9.17.10 @ 6:32AM

First, thank you Jeri Thompson! You are a treasure and I hope to see you in office or directing the traffic.
COD is running against Coons now. Do we want another extreme liberal backing Obama? NOT! COD is the only choice now. Her warts are NOT liberal ones. She is best for the job, and she will win.

Yvonne| 9.17.10 @ 12:10PM

JASmius: You seem to miss the point. There is no difference between voting for a liberal Republican and voting for a liberal Democrat. Gaining another "Republican" seat is useless if he or she will continue to side with the Democrats. Perhaps you are viewing this entire election as one of the "Big Brothers' Clubs," where name dropping counts and membership has its benefits.

So what if O'Donnell doesn't win (and who knows, maybe she will). The point is that Americans are voting their consciences, not their pocket books or political preferences. We have nothing to lose by voting for O'Donnell because the seat had already been occupied by a Democrat. But, if we don't vote our convictions we will lose a lot more than just another RINO in public office.

Tim*| 9.15.10 @ 5:59PM

Let's see if Karl Rove rethinks his words tonight .

We Tea Party Rebels Support Christine O'Donnell .

We Can See November From Christine's House .

megapotamus| 9.15.10 @ 6:11PM

The Rand Paul example is, um, exemplary. This guy was a second generation nut, right? And maybe he is. But now he is puffing on a double digit lead that, genii declare, even HE cannot blow. Whoodathunk? Perpetually these doofs like Rove and Perino (a eugynic example of affirmative action, for sure) act like meteorologists. These phenomena occur due to the interplay of invisible fronts and systems; they are predictable only once they happen.... as the Romney endorsement demonstrates. Given that, Rovian declarations of doom are a contrarian indicator in my book. Like a weatherman who is just certain every day (is there such an irresponsible creature?) we should see these prognostications as the Wild Assed Guesses they are, informed by experience and education perhaps, but also self interest and the whole menu of human emotions. In this case a most embittered envy.

Vince | 9.15.10 @ 6:11PM

Rove, Steele, the RNC, and ESPECIALLY the NRSC had better all start supporting the candidate selected by THE PEOPLE, or show the world how they have managed to marginalize themselves! You clowns aren't opposing one candidate, you're opposing everyone who voted for and contributed to her! See O'Donnell's overnight contributions? How were the RNC receipts?? YOU'RE ATTACKING YOUR OWN BASE!! Show some leadership, or start writing your retirement speeches! You know? "I'd like to spend more time with my family..."?

Keith I| 9.15.10 @ 7:41PM

A simple clarification. Apparently Steele immediately said that the party should support Mrs. O'Donnell and stop the attacks. Quite possibly this is because his tenure as RNC chair has been nothing if not "flawed".

As for Rove, as I understand it, he was the one that directed the Bush WH to NOT respond to the "Bush lied people died" chorus coming from the very Dumbocrats that voted for the invasion of Iraq. As we sadly know, this often repeated lie metasticized and eventually turned public opinion from solidly in support of GWB to solidly opposed. The result: the most Anti-American President in the history of the Republic.

To an extent Rove had salvaged his image with his work of Fox. Last night killed that.

Good Riddance Karl! Don't let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'.

RNews| 9.21.10 @ 4:19PM

Keith: "Bush lied people died" was not the reason public opinion turned from solidly supporting to solidly opposing GWB as you have stated. There were a lot of other things mixed in that helped his popularity plummet. Off the top of my head I can think of one: the huge economic downturn into recession.
I'd love to know how many people commenting on this article were gung ho Rovians before he dissed O'Donnell. It was okay while he was trashing people you didn't support but the minute he said something about someone you like, whoa!!! The claws and the caps locks come out.

RiverKing| 9.23.10 @ 12:32PM

I wouldn't call myself a Rovian but I DID have a great deal of respect for his opinions. I now have a great deal of disgust with his ad hominem attacks on Christine O'Donnell. Such attacks, even on a Democrat, were beneath the Karl Rove I thought I knew.

Michael_Me| 9.15.10 @ 6:13PM

What is NOT being said about this is if a so called moderate conservative can get kicked to the curb, why would anyone think a liberal will win with 76% of ALL voters agreeing the the country is currently going in the wrong direction? Hmmm...?

Fred C. Dobbs| 9.15.10 @ 6:22PM

"Regardless, Christine O'Donnell is our party's nominee for a STILL highly winnable seat in Delaware. Lest we forget, this was the seat held by a plagiarizing career politician incapable of keeping his foot out of his mouth, Joe Biden. The people in Delaware believed they could do better. They voted for the conservative in the race. Now we all need is to support her and help her get over the finish line."

The paragraph above is incoherent. Yes, Joe Biden was/is a hack liberal and general dolt who was caught plagiarizing. He also held the seat for 6 frigging terms. He only lost the seat because he gave it up to became veep.

The bottom is that Delaware is a pretty liberal state. That Biden was a senator for 6 terms despite being such an embarassment kinda suggests this, dontcha think?

MarkD| 9.16.10 @ 10:13AM

When things were OK for the average American, this analysis would be correct. It's difficult to push for the status quo when unemployment is actually in double digits, deficits are at WWII levels, and the trend is "unexpectedly" downward. Obama has had two years, and we've had four years of Congress controlled by the Democrats. Are you better off today? I am not.

Both parties got us here. Neither seems capable of fixing it. It's time to give the tea partiers a chance to undo it.

Sanji Himura | 9.16.10 @ 10:59AM

Well said, however I do want to stress that Biden was well on his way out anyway, seeing as McCain wasn't as good as an alternative to Obamahack, and the people would have been sick of him anyway.

Term Limits on Congress NOW!

RNews| 9.21.10 @ 4:22PM

Amazing that you think Obama can fix in 2 years the decade-plus of bad economic decisions that came before him. If the Tea Party cannot fix things by 2012 who are you going to turn to then, assuming the few Tea Party candidates out there actually win their elections?

RiverKing| 9.23.10 @ 12:36PM

I never expected bho to "fix" what he inherited from a Democratic Congress of which he was a part. I'd be happy if he were not making things worse!

Dai Alanye | 9.15.10 @ 6:31PM

Dan Maes is being abandoned in Colorado for some of the same reasons O'Donnell was opposed by Republicans--is that sexist? Blaming everything on sexism is just as reprehensible as blaming opposition on racism.

I'm agnostic about O'Donnell, although it is wonderful to be rid of of Castle and would be great if she manages to defeat Coons. But she had better straighten up her act pretty quickly. No more goofy lawsuits, no more exaggerations about past accomplishments, no more paranoid ranting about polling outfits, no more nasty cracks about the party establishment. Elections are won by making friends and avoiding to make enemies. She's not running against Karl Rove, and would have been far wiser to return a soft answer to his criticism.

Palin has backed her, but you don't see Palin making stupid mistakes like this.

Good luck to O'Donnell if she's a true conservative and not merely another self-promoting politician. But we don't really know quite yet, do we?

Lesser Weevil| 9.15.10 @ 7:11PM

Well said. What is the tired feminist trope about "sexism" doing here in the AmSpecBlog?

Conspiracy Theory| 9.16.10 @ 12:57AM

It may be that elections of the future may be won on conservative principals. We shall see if Ms. O'Donnell has those. We are all available to vote again in 2012 and 2014. This is what the RNC is becoming aware of. Be very, very afraid, oh conservative 'establishment'.

Becky| 9.16.10 @ 3:18AM

clap, clap, clap. Good job Dai. You managed to get in all of the negative talking points put forth by the GOP establishment - under the guise of caring about sexism (and racism to boot)! I'm impressed.

Not as impressed as the "flawed and unelectable" O'Donnell winning the primary against an incumbent or raising a million dollars in 24 hours - but certainly you should get some sort of honorable mention for Sly Insertion of Negative Talking Points.

Amanda| 9.16.10 @ 2:44PM

Palin doesn't make stupid mistakes.

This uproar from Toyko Rove (saw that term on another website - think it is hilarious!) is not solely
about Christine. It is about diminishing Palin.
If Christine loses; the rhinos can whine about
losing the sacred senate seat that will "part the
red sea, etc." This they will blame on Palin in
an attempt to undermine her credability.

Get it now?

Tim*| 9.15.10 @ 6:32PM

This Election is about Jobs And The Economy.
Christine O'Donnell has major name recognition and major money pouring into her campaign now.
O'Donnell has Tea Party backing and financial support .

She just unseated A Former Two Term Delaware Governor and long term lone statewide Delaware Congressman .

Watch & Learn .

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates .

We Can See November From Christine's House .

furious | 9.16.10 @ 9:33AM

"...major money pouring into her campaign now."

Good, maybe she can catch up on her back-rent. As for "un-seating", she hasn't unseated anyone. In fact, she's never successfully campaigned for
elective office.

Tea Party can, and has, done better. But don't compare her to the Browns, Pauls, and Millers of
the movement, who have actual accomplishments
other than running unsuccessfully for office.

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 6:57PM

Makes me wonder if Rove may be a Libertarian or something. If he likes Rand Paul and can't stand O'Donnell? Hmm.

Generally speaking Libertarians do NOT like Biblical Christians.

Tim*| 9.15.10 @ 7:21PM

Generally Speakin' you're a Religious Crank with an obsession about Libertarians .

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 7:56PM

I speak truthfully and that's why you can't stand me. Say how's that anti-Israel Replacement Theology going, Tim* the liar?

Tim*| 9.15.10 @ 8:55PM

Do your own Homework Margie The Anti-Catholic Bigot .

Supersessionism is the traditional Christian belief that Christianity is the fulfillment of Biblical Judaism, and therefore that Jews who deny that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah fall short of their calling as God's Chosen people.
All Western Christian sects and denominations have held some version of this belief, which has served not only as the explanation for why believers in Christ should not become Jews, but is also the rationale for attempting the conversion of Jews to Christianity.

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 9:05PM

Actually you snake, I am anti false Religion. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Uh huh. So you believe that your church "replaces" Israel, correct?

Tim*| 9.15.10 @ 9:16PM

Do Your Own Homework Before Ya Run Your Anti-Catholic Crank Mouth Margie .

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 9:37PM

So snake~ answer the question. Do you believe that your church replaces Israel?

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 10:04PM

Well, snake? Still waiting. Yes or no.

Tim*| 9.15.10 @ 10:15PM

Do Your Own Homework Anti-Catholic Crank Margie

“ In this Torah, which is Jesus himself, the abiding essence of what was inscribed on the stone tablets at Sinai is now written in living flesh, namely, the twofold commandment of love. . . . To imitate him, to follow him in discipleship, is therefore to keep Torah, which has been fulfilled in him once and for all. Thus the Sinai covenant is indeed superseded. But once what was provisional in it has been swept away, we see what is truly definitive in it. ”

—Joseph Ratzinger, Many Religions, One Covenant

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 10:26PM

Uh huh. So snake, you still won't answer the question. Do you believe that your church replaces Israel?

Tim*| 9.15.10 @ 10:31PM

You're A Moron !

Who Do Ya Think Joseph Ratzinger Is ?

Ha , Ha , Ha , Ha !

You Are A Complete Buffoon .

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 10:37PM

Joseph Ratzinger is irrelevant. Now answer the question, snake. Does Joseph Ratzinger believe that his church replaces Israel?

Tim*| 9.15.10 @ 10:45PM

Read What The Pope Wrote Imbecile .

How Can Ya Be So Freakin' Dense ?

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 11:06PM

I asked you if you believe that your church replaces Israel. I guess your insult (yet another) is supposed to be the yes answer.

If so you are a coward and a liar as well as the pope is. And why should we care what the popey writes? If he believes that his church replaces Israel he is a liar.

Replacement Theology. This is it. And it explains why Tim* and Toddard and his ilk think the way that they do. And thus the hatred and vileness toward Biblical Christians who quote the Bible instead of the pope.

Today it is "Replacement churches" that are rising up against Israel and calling for divestment and action against the Jewish state. But what does God have to say?

"Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar--the LORD of Hosts is His Name: "If this fixed order departs from before Me, says the LORD, then shall the descendants of Israel cease from being a nation before me for ever." Jer. 31:35 & 36.

"He is the LORD our God; His judgments are in all the earth. He is mindful of his covenant for ever, of the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant which He made with Abraham, His sworn promise to Isaac, which He confirmed to Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant, saying, "To you I will give the land of Canaan as your portion for an inheritance." Ps. 105:7-11.

God couldn't have made Himself any clearer.
Replacement Theology is anti-semitism in the Name of Christ. It is a lie.

This is the REAL reason behind the bile from Toddard, oops I mean Tim* and his ilk toward me and towards anyone who dares to cross him.

Praise God for the Truth!

Gazelem| 9.16.10 @ 6:14AM

But the Church IS Israel, in these days. We who are of Christ are of Israel, the children of Israel. The Church does replace Israel of old. This is not to justify the extremism of anti-Israel politics nor the irrationalities of anti-semitism. We believe the Jerusalem Temple will be rebuilt when or before the Lord returns to Earth. The "stick of Judah" shall in the last days be reunited with the "stick of Joseph" (Ezek. 37).

Tim*| 9.16.10 @ 8:21AM

Sell That Israel Firster Agenda Crap Somewhere Else Sport .

This Is The United States Of America , Not The Middle East .

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:16PM

Gazelem,

You must read what the Bible says and not go by your own thoughts. The church doesn't actually REPLACE Israel. Christians are spiritual Jews but God does not do away with Israel. To say He has replaced Israel is not the truth. He is the fulfillment of the Law. The Sacrificial Lamb. But He has not done away with His beloved Israel! His promises to Israel are eternal. Be careful because the anti-semites can use what you say.

Did you read all the Scripture I posted?

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 10:40PM

Does this mean we should bow down to him and kiss his ring? What do you call a man who does this?

Now answer the question, snake. Do you believe your church replaces Israel?

"..let your yes be yes and your no be no, that you may not fall under condemnation." Jas. 5:12.

Tim*| 9.15.10 @ 10:53PM

The Pope Is Talkin' About Jesus Superseding The Covenant Ya Freakin' Idiot

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 11:11PM

The Bible says otherwise, snake.

"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till Heaven and Earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven." Mt. 5:17-19.

So who's telling the truth, Tim* the vile snake, or Jesus Himself?

Tim*| 9.16.10 @ 8:05AM

The nurses at The Institute For The Terminally Insane have Margie's Key and the slobberin' is a side effect from her meds .

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:11PM

You're so adorable Tim*. As adorable as a snake. Why do you hate God, Tim*? Why do you hate the Jews? Why do you lie about what God says concerning them?

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 11:33PM

And that includes God's promise and covenant with Israel. Loser.

Becky| 9.16.10 @ 3:37AM

Margie, Margie, just give Tim your room key and spare the rest of us your slobbering.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:07PM

I see that Becky disregards what the Bible says as well because her Religion trumps the Truth.

Tim*| 9.16.10 @ 8:18AM

Let's See Ya Try To Lay Your Anti-Catholic Error-filled Exegesis Crap On Pope Benedict And Da Man Himself , Religious Crank Lady Margie .

Then Ya Can Try To Sand ToThe Arabs

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:09PM

I quoted what God says in the Bible. You are a liar. And you try and say the pope believes that the church replaces Israel like you do? That Israel is null & void? If so then he is a liar as well.

I take my stand on the Bible, which you HATE.

JPII| 9.16.10 @ 1:57PM

For the love of God, please shut up both of you.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 2:16PM

For the love of God~ try and care about what He says.

Yvonne| 9.17.10 @ 12:47PM

Christianity isn't about en established religion. It's a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, with the understanding that we are sinners and have need of redemption. Christ gave up his life so that we might have it. He calls us to love one another, not spew out insults in the name of religion.

Tim, you may be partially correct in your interpretation of "Western Christianity." However, not all western Christians ascribe to the brand you are making reference to.

Margie, I know many people who consider themselves Libertarians AND Bible believing Christians. It's important to remember that this election is about conservative ideas and American values, such as adhering to the U.S. CONSTITUTION, not one's religious beliefs.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.15.10 @ 9:15PM

Tim*
Sometimes you are very smart. Sometimes you are extraordinarily vicious.
When you threatened Margie with bodily harm, right here in front of God and everybody, you added me to your enemy list.

Yes, Margie is a litlle bit of a "Bibliolator". She sometimes seems to worship the Bible rather more than the Christ it heralds.

Nevertheless, Bibliolatry is not such a bad thing. It is the place I personally go to hear the Holy Spirit speak.

I don't use "proof texts". My educational opportunities at Baylor U. allow me some lee-way in brilliant exegesis.
Just in case you are interested, I am not Anti-Roman church. I just call the cards as they are dealt.
I get prickly when "Apostolic succession" gets thrown into the discussion is all.

Sir, I am part of the "Apostolic Succession", as were several of my profs at Baylor.

Duh, guess what? Margie is part of that Apostolic Succession as well.
Bless her, don't threaten her.
Thank you

Tim*| 9.15.10 @ 9:27PM

Do your Homework Kenny.
We were talkin' about Supersessionism not Apostolic Succession.

Aaaand Your Gumba Margie is an Obsessed Religious Bigot .

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 1:21AM

Tim*,

I've stayed out of your unnecessary war with Margie because I don't know how it started, and I don't want to know. Also, I usually just scroll past, whenever I see you two going at it. I'm sure you are aware that I'm a Roman Catholic, and in my opinion, you are making us look bad.

Ken is a straight-shooter, and he writes that you threatened Margie, physically, and you didn't deny it. That is unacceptable. Agree to disagree, but don't threaten people.

Margie is a Christian conservative. You are a Christian conservative. So is Ken. So am I. So are many regulars who post here. We should not be enemies. The stinking liberals should be our enemies.

The venom that you use against Margie, whom I consider a friend, should only be used against the lefties who post thier inanities here. You make it hard for the other Catholics here, like John II and Teflon93, when you try to defend the Bride of Christ with vitriolic attacks.

I ask you, as a fellow Catholic, please stop. Either turn the other cheek, and apologize to Margie, or just don't comment on any of her posts.

Apologetics is supposed to be done with love, and by praying to the Holy Spirit. Go back, and re-read your posts. Do you, honestly, believe that they were inpired by the Holy Spirit, Tim?

Yours, in Christ, Nick
God Bless!

Tim*| 9.16.10 @ 8:27AM

I don't need to be inspired by the Holy Spirit to recognize Margie's Anti-Catholic Crap .

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:06PM

Tim* is anti-Christ and anti-Christian. He lies about what God says, and rejects the Bible.

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 2:29PM

Tim*,

How many people are you bringing to Christ with these "discussions" with Margie? Answer: NONE.

In fact, you're probably driving some away.

By the way, we ALL need to be inspired by the Holy Spirit. Even you.

Jason Craft| 9.16.10 @ 8:56AM

Nick

You had sex with 600 pre-schoolers.

There, I said it, and if you don't deny it within the next 30 seconds, that must mean it's true, right?

You're working from a shaky base, logically. I don't know if Tim threatened Margie or not. But just because someone says he did, doesn't mean that he actually did, you know.

Also, to clear up any possible misunderstanding, I don't think you had sex with 600 pre-schoolers.

Yes, Tim is being kind of a jerk, or even more than kind of one. However, I do think that Margie was misunderstanding him on purpose; I mean, he quoted the Pope. She should understand that, for Catholics, that ends the argument.

I'm not a Catholic, but I see in the Romans 9:8 that it says:
In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

Which does pretty much make it seem like Christians replace Jews as the heirs of the promises and blessings flowing from Abraham.

But none of this has anything at all to do with Christine O'Donnell, and the lack of support for her and other conservative women candidates.

So, Tim, Margie, do you think that Republicans should work together to elect these conservative candidates?

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:05PM

Another genius. Instead of looking to make yourself look so smart why didn't you read what the Bible says?

Yes, Jesus came to FULFILL the Law. But He did NOT come to REPLACE it as his anti-semitic Replacement Theology teaches.

Now if you want to lear the truth, go get your Bible and look it up.

He actually believes that his church replaces Israel. That Israel is NULL and VOID. How hard is that for you to understand? Apparently you just don't want to.

Your choice but don't play games by jumping in here with your pretending to care.

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 2:50PM

Mr. Craft,

I'm afraid it is your logic that is shaky.

I prefaced my statement with the fact that Ken doesn't go around lying about people. You would have to be a long time reader of TAS, to know this.

Also, I didn't give Tim* only 30 seconds to respond. As you can plainly see, Tim* refused to deny it a second time, in his response to me.

By the way, God's promise to Abraham was to bless all the peoples of the world. Abraham's decsendants, as well as the rest of us. See Genesis 12:3, and 22:18.

You are correct, this has nothing to do with Miss O'Donnell.

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 9:42PM

Ken,

"All these things My hand has made, and so all these things are Mine, says the LORD. But this is the man to whom I will look, he that is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at My word." Is. 66:2.

JDK| 9.15.10 @ 8:39PM

Libertarians think religion simply shouldn't be forced on anyone. MANY libertarians are religious, as Ron and Rand Paul both are. Rand's wife is a deacon in their church.

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 8:53PM

Well, I'm not sure what he follows but women aren't supposed be be in authority in the church. That's according to the Bible.

Lots of phony Religions make up their own rules. True Christians are actually Biblical. The ones who aren't despise the ones who are. Thus my point.

If you read the Libertarian platform they are non-interventionists (anti-war) and generally hate Israel. There are small l libertarians but the official Libertarian platform is Ron Paul & his anti-Israel ilk.

Just the facts, ma'am.

jdkchem| 9.15.10 @ 11:48PM

Where in the Bible does it say that women aren't supposed to have authority in the church? Would that be the 11th commandment, thou shall not put women in positions of authority? I have doubts you've actually read the Bible as women had important roles throughout Jesus' ministry.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:07AM

Here it is:

"Let a woman learn in silence, in all subjection. And do not allow a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence." 1 Tim. 2:11 & 12. But more interesting is the passage where he addresses deacons as males in vs. 8-12.

And yes women had important roles, but not authority over the men.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:16AM

Actually there's a more specific passage about women in churches:

"Let the women in the churches be silent, for it is not allowed to them to speak, let them be subject, as also the Law says. But if they desire to learn anything, let them question husbands at home; for it is a shame for a woman to speak in church." 1 Cor. 14:34 & 35.

Yvonne| 9.17.10 @ 1:03PM

Sorry, Margie, I had to reply to this. The context of the passage you quoted is this: During that time it was customary for women to be submissive and remain seated during religious meetings. The Apostle Paul addressed the problem of women standing up in the middle of such meetings, making remarks or blurting out questions ... interrupting the message.

If one is to take everything that the Bible states quite literally to date, then all women should have long hair and men should be wearing sandals and tunics, as the Scriptures tell us that women are to look like women and men are to look like men. At that time, that is how both sexes appeared. That was the custom of the time.

Christ does not judge us on the basis of our clothing OR sex, etc. he judges our hearts. God does call SOME women to positions of authority. Even in Biblical days there were numerous women who walked in authority, and not just over other women and children. But, they DID NOT stand up in the middle of meetings, interrupting or making a scene. That is something that would not be acceptable even by today's standards.

Context is important; perhaps you should study a little more?

maverick muse| 9.16.10 @ 8:41AM

"Well, I'm not sure what he follows but women aren't supposed be be in authority in the church. That's according to the Bible."

Hardly. Reference Deborah in the Old Testament. You'll also find that a prophetess Anna was at Herod's Jerusalem Temple, and greeted the baby Jesus when Joseph and Mary attended to fulfill religious ritual.

Perhaps your belief is hung up on the Semitic patriarchal societies before Christ, and then after Christ hung up on Paul, the Roman, who had his own hangups with sexuality that had nothing to do with the original 12 apostles lifestyles, teachings and traditions upheld in the Byzantine and Orthodox Christian Churches.

Do note that Jesus' most faithful friends who believed in his miraculous powers in life, those who stayed with him below the cross, and who saw him first after his resurrection were women. Either you forget or didn't know that some of the earliest Christian communities were led by women.

There are many corrupt cultural influential traditions that usurped the Christian religion, those of Rome for instance, none of which discredits the Gospel of Jesus. "Wherever two or three are gathered together in my name" you will find Christ's Spirit, regardless of gender. And Jesus said that in the next life, there wouldn't be marriage because we'd be as the angels. Perhaps nongender? Throughout time, people have their own expectations that they carry into their form of religion, cultural expressions of worship.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:00PM

Uh, hey genius~ I quoted the Bible. Say what you will on and on about me with the personal attacks but you are rejecting God's words.

M. Simon | 9.16.10 @ 2:29AM

I don't belong to ANY organized religion.

May the FORCE be with you

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 1:53PM

M. Simon,

Neither do I. That is why I am able to take my stand as I do, which is upon the Bible, which is God-breathed.

And you might be very interested to know that God despises organized Religion and the coming together of solemn assembly. Read Isaiah chapter 1.

What God wants is for us to believe in His only Son, who came to die for our sins on the cross therefore becoming the Saviour of the whole world. Jn. 3:16.

He accepts whoever comes to Him, no matter what Religion you have been. He wants a personal relationship with you, through prayer as the Bible says. He's the only Mediator between us and God since He became the Sacrificial Lamb once and for all.

There is no Force but the Creator of the Universe~ and did you know that He actually wants you to know Him?

Purple LIpd| 9.15.10 @ 10:38PM

Hell, Biblical Christians do not like Biblical Christians. My sister has joined and left so many biblical churches that I've lost count. I could tell you stories...

However, they do have one redeeming feature, they all have scrumptious after service pot lucks (can't get enough of that chicken fried pot roast! ). Who says Born Agains don't have any vices? Gluttony rules supreme! But who can blame them? They don't smoke, drink, or have sex (at least the spouses don't). Might as well enjoy one of life's pleasures. And Mable Werts makes the best Deep fried Oreo Cookie Lard in the world. Just the other Sunday we shoveled her chow right down our collective gullets while we complained bitterly about the evils of the Papacy! We could just feel the fat swell in our loins! Here's to bedanka butts everywhere! Praise bedanka Butts!

Margie| 9.15.10 @ 10:51PM

And Catholics believe God has a Mother.
And that taking Communion is actually eating Christ's body.
And that they can pray to the dead.
And that Priests are forbidden to marry.
All un Biblical and all lies.

"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths. As for you, always be steady, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfil your ministry." 2 Tim. 4:3-5.

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and enjoin abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving; for then it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer." 1 Tim. 4:1-5.

True Christians choose to listen to what God says and take it seriously. If the Bible says forbidding Marriage is the doctrine of demons, and that's just one thing they teach that is disgusting~ why would you choose to partake in that Religion?

Your choice, but then you don't have the right to mock Biblical Christians, now do you?

Tim*| 9.16.10 @ 8:32AM

Well Thanks For Sharin' Again Zany Crazed Anti-Catholic Crank Lady Margie .

Do Ya Do Episcopalians and Lutherans Too ?

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 11:58AM

You are calling the Bible zany and crazed because that's what I quoted. Apparently you hate it.

JP| 9.16.10 @ 8:54AM

"And Catholics believe God has a Mother."

Question? Is Christ fully human?
Question? Is Christ fully Divine?
Question? Was Christ born?
Question? If Christ was born, who was His birth Mother?
Question? If Chirst is fully Divine, and fully human, where did he get his humanity from?

By denying the humanity of Christ, Marge falls for one of the oldest heresies of the Chrisitian Church - Nestorianism

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 11:57AM

Another blatant liar. I did no such thing. I said God has no Mother. You don't like the Bible either do you, JP? You and your Catholic ilk despise it apparently.

God has no Mommy. Read the Scripture:

"You are my witnesses," says the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me." Is. 43:19.

So play your sick little accusatory Catholic games, but you lie.

Jesus was born from a woman, Mary as the Bible says. It says He is the Son of God. Got it? The SON. God is His Father, Jesus is the Son:

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.." Jn. 3:16-19.

Play games all you want. I take my stand on the Bible.

JP| 9.16.10 @ 4:07PM

Marge,
So Christ had no human mother because you never read a verse that explicitly said so? Are you that dense? Depsite the Gospels giving us an eye witness account of His Birth, you still deny that he was born to Mother? Then what was Mary? Where did Christ receive His Humanity? Whose DNA did he carry?

Is your hatred for the Church so deep that he would choose an ancient heresey over what the Bible presented to you in black and white?

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 8:17PM

What's wrong with you, man? Can't you read?

maverick muse| 9.16.10 @ 9:03AM

"And Catholics believe God has a Mother.
And that taking Communion is actually eating Christ's body.
And that they can pray to the dead.
And that Priests are forbidden to marry.
All un Biblical and all lies."

Certainly NOT "All un Biblical and all lies." The final celibate order of Roman Catholic priests does conflict with the fact that marriage was a cultural requirement of all Hebrew men, and that the Israeli Tribe of Levi Jewish priests were all adults married of religious necessity.

Belittling another's faith is unbecoming, and could even be a sin, attempting to destroy a person's faith in God because you have another image in your own mind.

Your criticisms above simply comports your own small mind, rabid with hate and lack of understanding and compassion for Catholics.

Biblical Mary after angelic visitation with the enunciation rejoiced that all people would call her blessed. You can't? You'd limit what glory God would give to Mary? Who made you judge? Your abuse of those who respect Mary, Mother of Jesus, is ugly.

Jesus' words at His Last Supper are the basis for the Catholic Holy Eucharist. Who are you to constrain Jesus' words and what they mean to those who believe by acceptance and faith that by partaking of the Eucharist as Jesus within their body, God is able to be in them, and bless them?

Jesus was dead. All Christians pray either to Him or through Him to God.

There are many who call upon the spirits of those who loved them for help. The hosts of heaven are an intrinsic Biblical reference. That you feel such disgust for Christians who can direct their faith to commune with those who have passed on, those who loved them, is hardly something to boast.

In your religious studies, you might consider reflecting upon those virtues that you share with others, rather than eschewing differences because you don't understand what others value.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 11:50AM

You're such a blatant liar. Typical haughty Catholic. You defend the despicable liar Tim* because you agree with his vileness.

Who is judging whom here? I stand on the Bible and have quoted what God says. It's on your own head what you want to do with it.

Sick of the Arguing| 9.16.10 @ 2:40PM

While we're quoting, how did we miss this, from Galatians 5?

19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Which fruits are coming out here, Margie & Tim? On both sides? I'm seeing hatred, discord, fits of rage, dissension, and factions. I'm *definitely* not seeing self-control, kindness, gentleness.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 3:18PM

Perhaps you might want to read where Jesus called those who refused to believe in Him a brood of vipers. Or where He made a whip of cords and drove out the money-changing hypocrites who used the temple as a market place. Or where He told the Jews in Jn. 8 that they were of their father the Devil for not believing in Him?

When a vile, sick pervert is proclaiming war and physical harm to me and walking all over the Bible and Scripture I take Jesus as my example.

How come you aren't interested in what the Bible actually says and taking a strong stand against the liar? Says something about you.

Your typical Leftist weak pointing of the finger at "both sides" is just that. How about where you stand as regards to the issue?

Purple Lips| 9.16.10 @ 5:02PM

Marge,
You're becoming a troll. I don't think Christ would like you to go nuts online. I think it's great your consumed with the Fire of God. But if you feel so strongly about prostelyzing, move to the Dearborn area near Detroit. There are about half million Sunnis and Suftis you can berate. Feel free to irritate them six ways to Sunday. But please lay-off here.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 8:15PM

I don't take orders from liars. As usual it is OK for you to insult, demean and lie about me, but when I defend myself I should get lost. Hypocrite!

Purple Lips| 9.16.10 @ 9:52PM

Marge,

You really need to take up another hooby. Try bird watching, gourmet cooking, Tantric Sex, gardening, poem reading, smoking crack, ... anything that means you won't post here.

Yvonne| 9.17.10 @ 1:41PM

Margie, you ALMOST make sense. However, you miss a couple of really important points. In one chapter of the Book of Psalms there is reference to God's everlasting loving kindness 26 times. It is His kindness that leads us to repentance. I've never known anyone to come to Christ with name calling and threats ... and having come out of a charismatic, Pentacostal background I can tell you there was plenty of "turn or burn" theology being taught. Herein lies the problem: "Turn or burn" is only PART of the message. That has to be completed with the LOVE of Christ.

With regard to women preaching to or teaching men, isn't that what you've been trying to do on this site with Tim and Maverick? Pray about it. Although your scripture quoting may be accurate, it is not in complete context and it is directed toward men. Additionally, you are blowing your witness with the words, such as as "vile, sick pervert" you use. Perhaps, "I forgive you and love you anyway" would be more effective?

Yvonne| 9.17.10 @ 1:31PM

Maverick ... You make sense in most of what you have written. However, calling upon loved ones who have died is NOT something that Christ condoned. That would be divination. The Bible very clearly states that divination is wrong. We call upon Jesus Christ because He IS the Son of God. He paid the price of our sin so that we could go directly to the Father in prayer and supplication. While we may feel better trying to converse with dead people, I think that it is in direct conflict with the reason behind Christs' having been crucified and his resurrection. Just something to think about.

If you have Biblical Scripture that would back up Christs' approval of consorting with the dead, I would love to know where you found it.

Big Dave| 9.16.10 @ 9:26AM

Where do you get your information about the Catholic Church, Margie? I know plenty of married priests. The Church imposes celibacy most of the time on priests of the Roman Rite only. It was never thought to be a requirement of Christianity, as shown by the fact that priests of dozens of other rites in the Catholic Church do marry.

And if the only true Christians are Biblical ones, where does that leave the Christians who lived for 300 years before the Church adopted the Bible?

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 11:46AM

Uh gee Dave,

Nobody knows that Priests are forbidden to Marry, right? Duh. You read what the Bible says. Now it's up to you to choose, but don't lie about it.

And duh, as to your second sentence you already know the answer to that. We're talking about TODAY. The day is today and we are held accountable for that which we say and serve. You choose to be Biblical and honor God or you choose to make up your own Religion and dishonor Him.

Claypoole| 9.16.10 @ 9:26AM

"...doctrines of demons...who forbid marriage and enjoin abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth." And Michelle Obama is lecturing the public and restaurants on what they should not eat.........

maverick muse| 9.16.10 @ 8:44AM

"Hell, Biblical Christians do not like Biblical Christians. My sister has joined and left so many biblical churches that I've lost count. I could tell you stories..."

So much for the new commandment, to love one another as Jesus loved.

Expectations.

Rich Fisher| 9.16.10 @ 1:56PM

Holy smoke! When did this blog turn into a discussion on religion? And, who do any of you think you are going to convert to your way of thinking with all of the vitriol? None of us has a complete understanding of the Bible, if we did we would be God. So could we all lighten up a little and show some real Christian behavior. I doubt anyone's Christianity who has to stoop to slander and name calling to try and make a point.

JP| 9.16.10 @ 4:09PM

Where ever Marge goes dissension soon follows. She uses the Bible like the Jhidadits use IEDs.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 8:13PM

JP the liar. Keep it up dude. Your Day's coming.
And actually you're the one disagreeing with the Bible. I'm in full agreement with it.

Rich Rostrom| 9.15.10 @ 7:03PM

Miller, Buck, Brown, Paul, and Angle all have substantial personal records. O'Donnell has nothing. As was once said of Jesse Jackson, she's never run anything except her mouth. She hasn't had a day job for years. The character issues raised by the Castle campaign were all based on her own words and actions. She'll have a lot of work to overcome that record.

Cat| 9.15.10 @ 11:46PM

By "personal records", do you mean MONEY?

So, since O'Donnell has had problems with her mortgage, or renting, or paying bills, doesn't that sound like the rest of America?

Brown Line| 9.16.10 @ 5:23AM

Just sayin': after the election of Barack Obama to the presidency, how can a Democrat say, with a straight face, that anyone is unqualified for any office in the US?

TennesseeVolunteer| 9.16.10 @ 7:30AM

Rich, how about the jobs that Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Biden have had all of these years? Between them, they have not even run a lemonade stand or thrown papers.

Rich Fisher| 9.16.10 @ 2:03PM

You know, one of the reasons we don't have more good people running for office is that no one is ever good enough. I wouldn't want to go through the anal exam required to run for office these days and I have led a pretty decent life and consider myself a law abiding Christian. We all have baggage and not a one of us on this blog would like to have our life story made into a feature length movie, run uncut and unedited. So Christine has made some mistakes in her life. Apparently they weren't bad enough to send her to jail or even to get her community service. Look at all the doctors, lawyers and professional people running the country now with their PHd's and years of business experience. What has that gotten us. One big fat mess. If somebody could point to some good that has come out of using the "formula" recommended here for choosing a candidate I might rethink my position. Since that won't happen, I say let's take a chance.

Jape| 9.15.10 @ 7:36PM

If they kept Biden all these years, the likelyhood of DE making the right choice becomes questionable. Go Christie. 2010 The Year of Conservative Women. Then 2012, the year of the Conservative WOMAN!

jann| 9.15.10 @ 8:22PM

I think they should keep talking, keep expressing themselves, please let all your true thoughts and feelings flow :)

JDK| 9.15.10 @ 8:36PM

I have nothing against O'Donnell, am glad we don't have Castle no matter WHO wins in November, and hope O'Donnell wins by a large margin.

But the NRSC did support Sharon Angle. I think your 'sexism' angle isn't on target. I think they just didn't think the anger of the base would topple powerful establishment figures, and were thinking Utah was unusual because of their primary format -- until Alaska.

Wrong, weren't they? Accountability is necessary. They are supposed to work for the people.

MtTopPatriot| 9.15.10 @ 9:28PM

You said it all Jeri!
"While they may not be intending to be sexist, the message, the attitude and whining sure make many in the GOP look eerily like the elites we are trying so hard to usurp. The sexism issues aside, it's time for the Washington GOP establishment to man up and stop sulking over losing -- no, getting walloped -- by a woman they continue to insist is unqualified despite the fact that she has a pretty big win under her belt under pretty difficult circumstances."
Bravo!
Bravo!!
Bravo!!!

Mad Hatter| 9.15.10 @ 11:20PM

Behind the 8-Ball with Castle and goons,
She'd pocketed him in quite few moons.
Talent pool's sharp and new,
Took from Sarah her cue,
Think it's time for Christine to rack Coons!

Mad Hatter| 9.15.10 @ 11:22PM

With Miller, Buck, Angle and Rubio,
Karl Rove, think O'Donnell's too newbie, oh?
Tea Party eager beavers,
Will be pulling those levers,
While Dem voters be lightin' a doobie, yo!

(Yeah, I know I posted this once on this website, but for Jeri & Fred...)

thaddeus| 9.16.10 @ 12:16AM

My take on the establishment republicans...if they look, sound and smell like turds they need to be flushed like turds. Time to root Rove and his ilk out of the party.

A new day is dawning in the party and there is no more room for their stench.

Anna Belle | 9.16.10 @ 12:30AM

Thank you, Jeri. It is about time someone took these elitist, sexist party leaders to task. What can I do to help?

Don| 9.16.10 @ 1:05AM

@Margie, well after reading through the slogfesr of commentary on being a Christian based upon actual scripture, one scripture comes to mind; "No man comes to the Father except by and through me" -Jesus It's rather obvious that Christ is the "fullfilment" of what was foretold concerning Him, unless of course you don't beleive Him to be THE SON of God. Then you are lost indeed.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 1:18AM

Yes of course I know that and said so. He is the fulfillment not the replacement and it is a specific Theology that Tim* believes in which it is where they believe that Israel has been "replaced" by their church and is thus null & void. Look it up. They actually believe that the church IS Israel now, that it replaces it. It is a Theology used by anti-semites. Just look it up.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 1:37AM

Meant to write he thinks Israel is thus null & void.

M. Simon | 9.16.10 @ 2:19AM

"Then you are lost indeed."

Or a member of the old time religion. If it was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me.

Pat| 9.16.10 @ 1:31AM

I hate to say it. But, Margie is right.

Catholics suck. Just ask all the kids that have been molested by their priests.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 1:38AM

No, Catholics don't suck. Their doctrines do. And those who teach them knowingly.

Tim*| 9.16.10 @ 8:36AM

The Anti-Catholic Crank Lady Margie Straightens Out The Other Anti-Catholic Screwball Pat .

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 11:42AM

Apparently YOU need straightening out, since you are an anti-semite and liar.

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 1:42AM

Thanks, Pat!

As a proud Roman Catholic, right back atcha'.

Tim*| 9.16.10 @ 8:39AM

Anti-Catholic Crank Margie Just stepped On Catholic Priests , Nuns And The Catholic Church's Tenets Nick .

Is That What Ya Call Inspired By The Holy Spirit ?

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 11:41AM

Your vileness and hatred of both the Bible and Christians who stand on it is certainly NOT inspired by His Spirit.

You are a snake.

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 3:47PM

Tim*,

I'd call it defending herself from viscious attacks.

If one is attacked, one tends to use every weapon one has to defend oneself.

I may not agree with Margie's use of Catholic teaching as cudgel to pummle you with. But, I do understand why she does it.

You have repeatedly attacked her deeply held Christian beliefs, and then have the nerve to be shocked, when she attacks yours? That takes nerve, Tim*.

Who would have believed that a Roman Catholic would be defending a Bible-believing Christian against another Catholic? Ha-ha!

Becky| 9.16.10 @ 3:41AM

Pat, then I guess teachers suck too? Right? Just ask all of the kids that have been molested by their teachers. And I think that we can just assume that all men suck too. Right? Just ask all of the kids that have been molested by men? And I suppose that goes for all day care providers, coaches, neighbors and friends. They all suck. Right? Just ask all the kids who have been molested by them.

Becky| 9.16.10 @ 3:48AM

oh dear, how could I forget those who suck most of all...parents and relatives. You have to agree, right Pat. Just ask all of the kids molested by their parents and relatives! Hmmm, Pat... I guess that means you suck.

CalMark| 9.16.10 @ 1:42AM

How'd we get from O'Donnell to this religious mud-slinging?

Let's just agree to disagree. Everyone believes that their own religion is the "One, true faith." That's why they belong to it.

We're all conservatives here, right? So, let's stop the religious name-calling and concentrate on kicking left-wing butt!

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 2:14AM

Sorry CalMark. But a snake is a snake. And he needs to be exposed for the anti-semite that he is. Replacement Theology is destructive and vile. It is anti-Christ and therefore anti-Christian. Can a human being hate what God says about Israel and be a conservative? NO WAY!

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 2:31AM

Margie,

I don't know what Tim has been claiming, but the Catholic Church doesn't teach Replacement Theology.

I have to admit, this argument is new to me. I'd never heard of "supersessionism" before. I was taught that the Jews were, and still are, the Chosen Ones of God. God still acts to protect them when they pray for His protection. Like in the '67 and '73 wars.

I did a quick search, to find out what you guys were talking about, and found this article explaining what the Catholic Church actually teaches. Hope this helps.

Try not to let Tim get to you, Margie. I know it's hard. He needs our prayers.

God Bless!

Big Dave| 9.16.10 @ 11:42AM

Great article, Nick. Before this morning, I have to admit, I had never heard of "replacement theology," although the issue to which it pertains -- salvation for Jews -- was pretty clear from the context of the pissing match between Margie and Tim*. The article you link to clears it up pretty well. It's good to know that "replacement theology" is a Protestant, not a Catholic, doctrine. I especially liked this part:

"The two extremes of replacement theology and dispensationalism within Protestantism (and there are middle, moderate positions) sometimes cause problems for Catholics. Dispensationalists often regard everybody but themselves as advocates of replacement theology and, consequently, as "spiritualizers" of God’s promises to the Jews who do not take these promises—or God’s word in general—seriously. Since Catholics are not dispensationalists, they frequently assume that we hold the views of replacement theologians. ... This in turn causes problems for replacement theologians. When they encounter Catholic recognition of the special status of the Jewish people, they may be inclined to regard Catholics as proto-, crypto-, or pseudo-dispensationalists."

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:24PM

nasty Dave. You call it a pissing match? I was standing on the Bible and therefore correcting the vile Tim*. You Catholics sure do stick together no matter how despicable and anti-Christ they may be, eh? Your Religion trumps truth. That's sad.

Your pal Tim* is lying and if you agree that Replacement Theology is wrong then why the attitude towards me who was explaining according to the Bible both old and new testaments, how it is wrong?

Is it because you also agree with the false doctrines of your Religion and so that trumps agreeing with Biblical Christians? That is too bad.

You show disrespect for me though I love God and His word. This shows where YOU are really at.

Big Dave| 9.20.10 @ 8:11PM

No, Margie, it's because you prefaced your moronic comments with with words, "Catholics don't suck, their doctrines do," when you wouldn't know a Catholic doctrine if it bit you on the ass. I'll paraphrase the article Nick linked to above, so you'll understand it: Extremist whack-job protestant "replacement theology" believers often think that everyone else is a "supersessionist," so, since Catholics don't believe in replacement theology, they assume Catholics are supersessionists. And extremist whack-job protestant supersessionists often assume that Catholics believe in replacement theology, because they are not supersessionists. In the meantime, we just think both sides of this debate are a bit loony. Does Tim* believe in replacement theology? I don't know. I don't care. It's not a Catholic doctrine. Some Catholics are into horoscopes, some are Masons, some watch Oprah. None of those are Catholic doctrines.

Second, because anybody with five minutes and a King James Bible can come up with some verse to support anything he wants. That doesn't make it right, even though it might be "Biblical." That is Catholic doctrine, and yes, I stand by it. The Devil can quote Scripture.

Remember, the Catholic Church doesn't teach what it teaches because it's in the Bible. It's in the Bible because it's consistent with what the Catholic Church teaches.Ciao!

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 4:36PM

Big Dave,

The article also explains that some Catholics buy into this false docrtine.

Assigning blame for the origin of the lie is not what is important, refuting the lie is.

God Bless!

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 12:46PM

Nick,

Thanks for your support. I have this question for you though. Tim* quoted the pope earlier saying he believes in "Supersessionism." That is Replacement Theology, which is dead wrong and against Scripture.

So, it is indeed Catholic theology, at least now. Will you stand against him then?

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 4:21PM

Margie,

I had to do some research on this one. As previously stated, this is all new to me.

I found an article that I think explains this a little better than the article I sent you to last night. (Did you read that one?)

The quote Tim* used is from a book Pope Benedict XI wrote in 1999, as Cardinal Ratzinger. He was not Pope, yet. I don't have the book, so I can't see the whole context. But, it appears, that Tim* is using it out of context.

The same quote is used in this article:
http://www.cuf.org/laywitness/.....asp#_edn17

I'm positve that those authors are using the quote in context.

Also, everything that the popes have written is not considered "Catholic Theology." The article, from last night, explains what is considered "authoritative" teachings of the Church.

The article also may explain our friend Tim* and his attitude. Tim* may belong to the Society of St. Pius X. This is a dissident, ultra-traditionalist Cathlolic group. Their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre, repeatedly disobeyed orders from Pope's Paul IV and John Paul II. He was eventually excommunicated in 1988, for illicitly "ordaining" 4 priests.

If Tim* is a member of this group, it would explain much. But, he will have to speak for himself, are you a Lefebvrer, Tim*?

The article does state that there are other Catholics who believe in this false doctrine of "supersessionism," though. I know it is rather long, but it is well worth the read, to find out what practicing Catholics actually believe, re: the Jewish people.

God Bless, Margie!

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 7:52PM

Oops!

When you click on the link, it will take you to an endnote. Just go to the top of the article. Sorry!

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 8:09PM

Hi Nick,

I will take some time out to read both articles. I started the first one earlier and got the gist of it. I have to go back and devote some more time to it as well as this one.

And I just found out about this Replacement Theology yesterday. There is a wonderful publication that I believe you'd really like called Israel My Glory. It explains how some people try and use the Bible to say that Israel is null & void. (As explained earlier). It's the same thing that I think Red Phillips and the Toddards think. Anti-semitism in the Name of the Lord, and it does explain Tim*.
Tim* will not cease with his vile hatred toward me until he repents to the True God.

As to his quoting what Ratzinger said, it seems to me he is guilty of same and Tim* feels empowered by this. I know that Ratzinger was a Nazi in his younger years and if he also never repented of that it would make sense that he'd be promoting this lie. Sorry but I do not trust him.

As to you though, good luck getting an answer out of Tim* as he is too busy indulging in falsehood and slander to tell the truth. He's made himself perfectly clear.

Thanks again for your honesty and your support.
God bless you.

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 11:37PM

Margie,

Pope Benedict XVI was hardly a nazi.

When Joseph Ratzinger was 14 he was forced to join the Hitler Youth, it was mandatory for all 14 year olds. He quit a year later. He was also conscripted and forced into an anti-aircraft battery, but he deserted after 2 years.

His father was very outspoken against the nazis, and they had to move several times because of this. He also had a cousin, with downs syndrome, who was killed by the nazi eugenics program.

This is all easily checked with a google search.
Trust me, you can trust Joseph Ratzinger.

RiverKing| 9.23.10 @ 12:52PM

RIGHT ON, CalMark! I've almost worn out my mouse wheel scrolling over that garbage.

Margie! Tim*! Figure out a way to take your argument elsewhere. Facebook, Twitter, or some other venue would be glad to have you.

M. Simon | 9.16.10 @ 2:15AM

The Tea Party is just clearing the decks of supernumeraries in preparation for action.

http://powerandcontrol.blogspo.....decks.html

Norman Rogers | 9.16.10 @ 2:17AM

Karl Rove is the rocket scientist, and he knows this stuff inside and out. Ignore his wise advice at your peril.

Joe| 9.17.10 @ 5:27AM

For years I have been told what a genius Rove is and never understood it. Bush barely beat Gore and had a fairly close race with Kerry. Those should have both been slam dunk wins. I believe they were not because of Rove. I think the policies and politics he believed in (supporting amnesty for illegal aliens, the “new tone”, never responding to the democrats lies, etc) led directly to Obama being elected. I don’t see enabling the rise of Obama as a mark of genius, so I do not pay a lot of attention to anything he says. I think that Rove just doesn’t understand normal Americans and what motivates us. He is certainly not a conservative in any way, shape or form.

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 2:21AM

Nick,

Thanks. And I really don't think individual Catholics are all like Tim*. Just the sick perverted ones who believe in this Replacement Theology and use it against Israel. The anti-semitic Tim* will NEVER agree to disagree. His hatred for the Jews trumps his ability to reason. He hates the Jews almost as much as he hates me. He is a snake in every which way.

Can a conservative hate the Jews and Biblical Christians and love God?

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 2:37AM

Margie,

No, they cannot.

I see what you meant now, so you can disregard my post from above. The article is kind of heavy in Catholic lingo anyway!

Tim*| 9.16.10 @ 8:57AM

Zany Crazed Anti-Catholic Crank Lady Margie Shares The Holy Spirit Inspired Love With Nick .

Anti-Catholic Crank Lady Is Mad At Catholic Tim for Not Bein' An Israel Firster NeoCon .

We've Got Margie's Number And She Doesn't Like It .

Margie| 9.16.10 @ 11:40AM

"We?" You mean "You" don't you?

Tim* is an anti-semite who lies about the Bible and twists Jesus' words to suit his anti-semitism.

He believes in Replacement Theology which says that his church replaces Israel. REPLACES Israel. Get it folks? Israel is null & void according to that UNBIBLICAL Theolgy.

Now Timmy* can hate on me all he wants but he's really hating on Jesus because he is going against what He says.

"Think not that I have come to abolish the Law and the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till Heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of Heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven." Mt. 5:17-19.

So~ Tim* is lying. Is he also lying about the pope? Does the pope really say that his church REPLACES Israel? Jesus says He came to FULFILL the Law and SPECIFICALLY NOT to REPLACE it.

Typically people in the Replacement camp side with the Palestinians Arabs, who are against Israel. and blame Israel for the troubles in the Middle East. (Thus the name calling and vile hatred of me by Tim*~ "Israel-Firster Neo-Con, et al.).

But God disagrees with Tim* and his ilk concerning Israel. God has a promise for eternity:

"Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar--the LORD of hosts is His Name:
"If this fixed order departs from before Me, says the LORD, then shall the descendants of Israel cease from being a nation before me for ever." Jer. 31:35 & 36.

Now why can't Tim* deal with the Scripture? Because he hates it like he hates me.

Yet another concerning what God (not Tim*) says concerning His beloved Israel:

"I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Again I will build you, and you shall be built, O virgin Israel! Again you shall adorn yourself with timbrels, and shall go forth in the dance of the merrymakers. Again you shall plant vineyards upon the mountains of Sama'ria; the planters shall plant, and shall enjoy the fruit. For there shall be a day when watchmen will call in the hill country of E'phraim: 'Arise, and let us go up to Zion, to the LORD our God.'" Jer. 31: 3-6.

So we see that God has and NEVER will REPLACE Israel Who is lying? Tim* or God?

God says: "He who touches you touches the apple of His eye." Zech. 2:8.

If God so loves Israel, it is our obligation to do so as well. And true Christians agree with God.

Rich Fisher| 9.16.10 @ 2:09PM

Does either Margie or Tim* have a real life? Does anybody know?

Nick| 9.16.10 @ 4:32PM

Tim*,

In case you missed my post, above, are you a member of the Society of St. Pius X?

ic| 9.16.10 @ 3:15AM

Christine, the RINO slayer, will slaughter Harry Reid's "my pet", the Bearded Marxist.

Mark Buehner| 9.16.10 @ 9:37AM

This isn't about ideology, its about power, and O'Donnell (especially as a woman) is a threat to the Republican power brokers who are far more interested in maintaining their own positions than in saving the country from the disaster we are in the midst of.

Joan Rhoden| 9.16.10 @ 8:09AM

What I can't get over is how the establishment seems so ready to call voters, ignorant. If a majority votes for a candidate that the establishment disdains, does that implicate all of those voters as ignorant or misguided? That seems just a bit of a stretch to me. But what do I know? I'm just John Q citizen unable to think and decide for myself without the input of the media. I'm just saying...

maverick muse| 9.16.10 @ 8:20AM

It appears that the Beltway Boys' reaction to a woman besting their man reflects the emotional imbalance which they project upon the so-called "weaker sex".

That weakness, projecting their own faults on a scapegoat (in this case, the winner) is the very behavior that America rejects DEMOCRATS for emulating, thin skinned antipathy for their own faults, expediently projected through spiteful propaganda upon opponents.

Beltway Republicans preach the big tent, but refuse conservatives admittance BECAUSE recognizing the conservatives would place America's "center" on our Constitution, the only thing that unites all Americans. And like the Democrats, Republican incumbents prefer their own inbreeding that abuses power and corrupts governance during Republican Congressional Majorities, though Beltway Republicans sell their bills with the facade of good manners.

Smaller government means cut socialist bureaucracies and programs, rescind Marxist federal abuse of powers, demanding and attain constitutional law enforcement from the Executive Branch, prune judicial activism, and cut taxes.

All the best wishes to constitutional conservatives and our American Renaissance.

labwrs| 9.16.10 @ 9:02AM

Thanks for picking up on this Jeri! I made a very similar comment on Dan Rhiel's site a couple of days ago: Women are WATCHING this. They are paying attention. We saw how Condoleeza was treated, then Hillary (I didnt support her but I READ), Sarah and then in SCarolina with Nicki Haley....We SEE how they are being treated and we DONT LIKE IT. And that is going to SHOCK the "BELTWAY BOYS" in November.

Louise P. | 9.16.10 @ 9:50AM

We're talking about the same Karl Rove who's basically banking and organizing Angle's campaign in Nevada all by himself (through his organization, obviously), right?

I mean, doesn't this simple fact simply destroys this theory. Why hasn't Jeri mentioned Angle in this piece? What do you have to hide, Jeri?

orgirl| 9.16.10 @ 10:30AM

Loons talking to loons. She (as well as most of you, it appears) is a whack job!

thaddeus| 9.16.10 @ 4:23PM

Nice to see you towing the typical liberal line...no salient point to add to the discusion so you can only resort to name calling.

You should learn not to attempt to enter into a battle of wits. You're hopelessly unarmed.

Trent Telenko| 9.16.10 @ 10:31AM

A three word reason why O'Donnell has a chance of being a US Senator:

Senator Al Frankin.

orgirl| 9.16.10 @ 10:32AM

Dumb statement

thaddeus| 9.16.10 @ 4:24PM

Nice to see you towing the typical liberal line...no salient point to add to the discusion so you can only resort to name calling.

You should learn not to attempt to enter into a battle of wits. You're hopelessly unarmed.

doofus watch| 9.16.10 @ 10:38AM

That is one word and a name (spelled incorrectly), not three words. You have passed the test and are now a Tea Doofus.

thaddeus| 9.16.10 @ 4:24PM

Nice to see you towing the typical liberal line...no salient point to add to the discusion so you can only resort to name calling.

You should learn not to attempt to enter into a battle of wits. You're hopelessly unarmed.

Big Dave| 9.16.10 @ 11:46AM

Al Franken got to be Senator by cheating. Are you advocating that the GOP manufacture phony ballots and hide them in the trunk of O'Donnell's car?

Chester White| 9.16.10 @ 10:48AM

O'Donnell is unelectable? Please.

Scott Brown was THIRTY-ONE points down less than 2 months before he won by 5 in MASSACHUSETTS.

A conservative has a shot these days in almost every district/state in the US.

checktothepower| 9.16.10 @ 10:53AM

Karl Rove uses the bathroom too close to the house.
SPOT ON,JERI!

Les Ismore| 9.16.10 @ 11:00AM

Word on the street here in Delaware is that there were a large number of Democrats that crossed over to vote for Christine in hopes she would be the nominee.

Anna Belle | 9.16.10 @ 12:02PM

Closed primary, but nice try. You an out-of-state Castle supporter?

Sean| 9.16.10 @ 1:57PM

Certainly seems like it. I don't live in DE but even I knew that. Desperation truly is ugly.

ProudMarineMom| 9.16.10 @ 11:20AM

When can I change my political party affiliation?
•Before a Primary Election: anytime except from Mar 31 through the date of the Primary.
•Before a Presidential Primary: anytime except from Oct 31 through the date of the Presidential Primary.
When are the deadlines?
Date Description
March 30, 2010 Last day to change your party affiliation before the Primary Election.
August 21, 2010 Last day to register to vote before the Primary Election.
August 30, 2010 Last day for military and overseas citizens to register to vote before the Primary Election.
October 9, 2010 Last day to register to vote before the General Election.
October 18, 2010 Last day for military and overseas citizens to register to vote before the General Election.

ProudMarineMom| 9.16.10 @ 11:23AM

So. "Les Ismore", when do you think all those cross-over Democrats made the switch?

ProudMarineMom| 9.16.10 @ 11:30AM

K. I'll answer my own question. Mike Castle was polling at 56% in January to Coons' 27%. Christine O'Donnell was not even on the radar. so, with two Liberals on the ballot, why would any Democrat go to the trouble of changing party affiliation? I don't buy the "word on the street."

Kevin Scholla | 9.16.10 @ 12:49PM

Love it, Jeri! And, while in this case, just like in Governor Palin's case there is certainly a sexist element to all of this...it's also just the usual GOP sour grapes. George W. Bush had to basically beg for John McCain's endorsement in 2000, after Bush beat him fair and square...same deal in New Jersey in 2001 when Bret Schundler shocked the esablishment and won the Republican gubernatorial primary. He had to then "campaign" for the endorsement of the man he beat fair and square as well as the acting governor and other party leaders. Hillary Clinton was treated very poorly by Obama and his supporters, but the day he clinched, she endorsed him with passion. Behind closed doors, I doubt she was that excited, but she put on her best pantsuit and did what was best for her party. That is the main thing Dems always do better than Reps. If the GOP keeps this nonsense up, then they will lose a lot of the true conservatives and their countless supporters. We want real Americans who believe in the constitution, liberty, freedom, and life. People like Palin, Thompson, Bachmann, O'Donnell, Haley, Miller, Huckabee, McDonnell, Pat Meehan and Rand Paul are the future. Not the waffling GOP RINOs who cater to the left every chance they get.

Sea_Hunter| 9.16.10 @ 1:01PM

Some wag once said that Generals always fight the last war, and that is exactly what is happening in both political parties. Carl Rove is a brilliant man, stuck with the lessons learned the last go round. The problem is, this is an entirely new war. It is a "peoples revolt". It is a revolution. The reason so many "talking heads" on the news, and so many political power brokers don't get it is that they are intellectually ill equipt to understand this isn't their kind of war. Can she win? Damn straight she can. She isn't fighting their war. She is fighting ours, the peoples. I hate the anology, but her win and others on Tuesday was only the Tet Offensive. Come November the political power people may well discover they were fighting WWII, and the Tea Party were the Viet Cong.

Sea_Hunter| 9.16.10 @ 1:37PM

POINT TWO:
Carl Roves' tirade is completely understandable if you listened closely to what he was saying. He said, "The point is not to win a primary, it is to defeat the Democrats."

Stop and think about that one for a moment. It sums it all up, why Rove for all his brillance, just doesn't get it. The Tea Party is as much at war with the Republicans as they are the Democrats. The point for Tea Partiers isn't defeating Democrats it is something much, much different.

My dad once told me, "An honest politician is one that when he is bought, stays bought." That is the political thinking of politicans today. That is NOT the thinking of the Tea Party. They think something quite different. What the Tea Party wants is "An honest politican is one that CANT be bought." This is why the tea party people don't give a damn about "defeating the Democrats." Defeating the Democrats isn't the point, not by a long shot.

Tea Party people want a Constution that is involate. They want honest politicans. They want politicans who safe guard their money, not spend it on bridges to nowhere and turtle corssings. Democrat, Republican, for a Tea Partier, the lable is meaningless. They are out not to win primarys, they are out to elect honest politicans.

And that's why, she has a damn good chance of winning.

Sean| 9.16.10 @ 2:03PM

When are you going to run for elected office, Mrs. Thompson? No offense to Fred, but you're twice the candidate he could ever be.

katiejane| 9.16.10 @ 3:46PM

I don't dispute that O"Donnell has a rough slough ahead of her to win the Castle supporters as well as others in DE. However she IS the GOP niminee. What purpose does it serve for the supposed GOP pundits to continue trashing her and recounting her shortcomings? Do they not understand that they will be insuring the loss they keep telling us is coming? I don't think they have to fall on their sword for what they feel is an unqualified candidate but should they really be leading the gloom & doom section for the Dems?

Sparky Satori| 9.16.10 @ 3:49PM

I WON'T tell you that she cannot win. Facts only confuse people like you.

JanSimpson| 9.16.10 @ 4:01PM

Nice Article. In true fashion of the a Tea Party Supporter. The difficulty becomes when an Activist group tries to become a Party within a Party, but has no plan, no strategy and the members all wanting different things, then they lose sight of the real reason they began the group in the first place. Then the Political Machine builds a strategy to take over. Now, the Political Machine is in cahoots with one another at this time, Republicans are best buddies with Democrats and Lobbyist and Unions are bed partners and then you have the Media (the media controls Hollywood (they do movies, records, ads, tv, drive fashion, hair styles, makeup styles, car choices, dog choices, and better yet heartthrobs) who help shape our young into believing that God is not good, Christians are terrible and they give a great example of the Pedophile Priest and Rev Wright of the Church of Christ. Who is controls the money- the Media gets the cash - who do they give it to?

Sarah Palin has announced this is the year of the woman - 2009 was the year of the Black Man - it would seem that instead of the status quo going on that she complained about loudly and has made millions and continues to make millions while her family she dearly loves is in Alaska, she would begin to change the system. But then she and Mitt, Dick and others couldn't continue to line their pockets.

Now this isn't a popular opinion and frankly I don't care - What I care about: People should have more passion about raising your family and ensuring good Character, live a good life, take the challenges God presents because that is life and stop asking for hand-out because some Political Opeartive said you deserved it because the color of your skin, your sexual orientation or gender - and just live - Vote those you researched and reached out to and hold them accountable for what they do - you have the responsibility to ensure those you vote into power do what they need to do - and stop allowing Politics as Usual to continue. You are the ONE that has the power to join others and make it happen. It takes one to start - and teach your kids that too.

Jan Simpson

Yobo| 9.16.10 @ 4:42PM

A lot of people like to masturbate. The ones who live in Delaware are not going to vote for Christine because they're afraid she'll try to have masturbation made a federal crime. Given the fact that she's not all there, they may be right.

Yobo is a BooBoo| 9.16.10 @ 5:02PM

What amazing analytical skills you have!

Do you work for a think-tank?

Alan Davidson| 9.16.10 @ 5:03PM

Oh, and there's more!

Contributions on her website have exceeded One Million Dollars in just two days! The new goal is 1.25 and I would not be surprised that come November, she will raise over 5 Million!

Hah! How you like them apples, Rove?

Amadeus48| 9.16.10 @ 5:15PM

Rove is appalled that a candidate as flawed as O’Donnell is going into the lists as the GOP’s hope to turn the Senate. What if she has been living illegally off her campaign funds? Do you think the Delaware Dems can gin up a criminal investigation by the election? Do you believe that Mike Castle has had a gay affair as some in her camp have claimed? Do you think that O’Donnell is constrained by anything but her desire to enter public life as a US Senator? Do you think that she was being “followed” by Mike Castle in 2008? The woman sounds delusional. In no sense has she been held accountable.
Having watched the Dem media lapdogs attempt to dismember the wholly likeable and transparent Sarah Palin (AP put 11 fact checkers to work on her book; how many reporters did it ever put on Obama’s life and thoughts?), we are about to watch the public flaying of an extremely dubious character– a cute but irresponsible grifter. Dem opposition research will destroy her by the election.
I’ll say the same thing about O’Donnell I have said about Obama–I wouldn’t let her run a candy stand. This is a total whiff by the Tea Party, and lovers of liberty are going to pay the price.

VekTor| 9.16.10 @ 7:12PM

Let me bottom-line this for Rove and the rest of the GOP Establishment that don't "get" what the Tea Party movement is doing:

THIS IS A HOSTILE TAKEOVER.

The GOP as it is currently constituted is going to be replaced, with a party that consistently and coherently embraces three core concepts:

1. A smaller government is a better government.

2. Fiscal responsibility is a critical priority.

3. Liberty for the people should be maximized.

There's plenty of room in the tent... there's room for principled disagreement on almost every other topic out there... but if you don't embrace those three points, you probably don't belong in the Republican party as it's going to look once the Takeover is complete.

A new day is dawning. If you're part of the old guard, you can remake yourself and embrace the new message (America loves a redemption story), or you can find somewhere else to call "home" for your political ambitions.

realwest| 9.17.10 @ 10:11AM

It's somewhat astonishing to me that folks like Vek-Tor have decided on "the" litmus test for Republicans. Hey y'all, the Republican Party is NOT the Conservative Pary (of which NYS has had one for 40 years or so now). The questions about O'Donnel are NOT Good ole Boy political questions, they are very real questions about character and intergrity for someone who would be one of 100. Where DID she get the money to live on for the last 10 years or so? How is it that her campaign manager bought her home the day before the foreclosure and where did HE get the money? She is a SO-CON - an Evangelical Christian and while there's nothing wrong with that (as long as, like Roman Catholism) it doesn't control a politicians decisions for the American people but it is decidedly Conservative not Republican in appeal. And finally how did she say she graduated in 1993 when in fact her B.A. was awarded in 2005? If the Progressives have taught us ANYTHING at all, it's that being "imaginative" with your personal credentials misleads folks into thinking you are something you are not.
And NO Ms. O'Donnel did NOT answer these questions during the primary. Having said all of that, I will cheerfully and financially support Ms. O'Donnel is she should answer those questions honestly before the election. Enough "Politics as Usual, tell 'em what they want to hear and do what YOU want to do, the voters be damned." If Nothing else, Barack Obama taught us all THAT, didn't he?

Jimmy Page| 9.17.10 @ 11:57AM

O'Donnell was a poor choice just as Sharron Angle was a poor choice in Nevada (instead of Danny Tarkanian). Delaware is not Kentucky or Alaska. We should look to count heads and get rid of John Kerry on the Foreign Relations Committee. Can she win? I guess anyone can. Will she win? Absolutely not!!!

VekTor| 9.17.10 @ 1:31PM

Look, it's not that difficult. I understand that people have concerns, questions, and doubts about O'Donnell's past. That's entirely legitimate.

But unless you have a time machine, and can go back and change things so that she's not the candidate... she's the candidate. It is what it is.

The only choice left now in this race is whether you'd rather see O'Donnell or Coons in that seat.

It's perfectly legitimate to have your questions and concerns, but unless you'd rather see Coons in that seat, the appropriate times to TALK ABOUT those concerns are either before/during the primary season, or the day after the general election is over.

Since we're not in that time period, I see only three useful options:

1. You can rally behind the candidate, knowing full well that she is flawed, but still preferring her over the alternative.

2. You can keep your powder dry until November 3, and then work to improve the vetting and primary process for 2012.

3. You can support the bearded marxist, either explicitly or implicitly.

That's it, really. If you want to continue on the path of recriminations now that the matter is ALREADY DECIDED for this cycle, then I contend that (whether you want to or not), you're implicitly helping Coons.

If you'd rather not do that, but still can't bring yourself to support Christine, then I'd recommend saving the airing of your grievances for when it can make a difference without making matters worse.

Before the primary, FiveThirtyEight had estimated her chance of winning the general against Coons was one in six. That's a hard road, but it's far from impossible. Since then, she's had the money bomb hit, and people are starting to close ranks behind her.

You can't make her "not the candidate", no matter how much you might want to say "I told you so". So let's act like adults, and deal with the situation as it stands, not the situation as we wish it would have been.

The time for the "would have been" discussions is on or after November 3rd.

VekTor| 9.17.10 @ 2:54PM

Shorter version: The primary is over. It's either O'Donnell or Coons. Time travel is NOT an option.

CHOOSE.

Linda Golden| 9.17.10 @ 3:00PM

How dare the GOP want a candidate that actually has a history of responsibility. Yes Delaware is far more liberal than the one state Fred & Jeri campaigned for president in, but all the northeast is.

With the financial & economic problems facing this country the Tea Party thinks someone that cannot manage their own finances responsibly and choose her career path as perpetual candidate while lying about her college degree - a viable option?

Sounds like worse that what is already in the senate.

The Tea Party has lost all credibility. I will not vote for any candidate associated with them. If that means voting for the most moderate democrat, so be it.

Good job 'purging' the Republican party of moderates and undoing the coalition Reagan built. I am sure he rolled over in his grave so you could kiss his arse.

Ernie| 9.17.10 @ 5:22PM

Linda, the reason for the tea party is to get back to the Constitution, you have to have firm values, but most moderates do not have those values. Most Moderates do not know how the come down on any thing. When you are giving into the left leaning Democrats, you are drifting farther and farther away from the constitution.
So you can elect a middle of the road republican or democrat and you get just what happened the past 4 years in congress.
Reagan was always about doing what the constitution says, not what Congress has been doing the last 10 years.
I am sure Reagan is very happy to see our country going back to the constitution.

May God Bless America!!!

Glenda| 9.17.10 @ 3:53PM

Just check this article out. Ms. O'Donnell is being ridiculed for the reamark she made about human brain cells being implanted into the brains of mice. She said they became a fully functioning brain. So, she is not a scientist, so what. The truth is, these ebryonic human brain cells DID become fully human brain cells inside of a mouse. And they are also talkinga bout using Rhesus monkeys, and other animals for these Frankensteinian experiments with human brain cells.

Please read the whol article because it leads you to believe that if they had implanted a larger % of these human brain cells into a larger animal, there could be the possiblity of a fully human brain developing inside another species of animal. Wouldn't that be nice? Now can you see how evil our world is, not becoming, is?

Jan Maxwell| 9.18.10 @ 5:38PM

Well, Glenda...a fully functioning brain inside a mouse's head. My daughter, who is five, is also not a scientist, but she would never say something this ridiculous. The problem with O'Donnell is that she has gone on countless shows and loudly proclaimed these ridiculous positions, which will all come back to haunt her now. What was it today...witchcraft?...just what the people of Delaware want - a Wicca candidate.

Reneeca| 9.19.10 @ 10:17PM

Ms Maxwell. Do the people of Delaware rather have a a "Bearded Marxist" instead of someone who said she dabbled in witchcraft? because let me quote you from a May 23, 1985 edition of the 'Amherst Student' on Coons statement of his political evolution in the making of a Bearded Marxist when he was in Kenya, Africa. (Sounds a lot like Obama)He wrote "My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality. Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists." Give me someone dabbling in wicca over someone who is a proclaimed Marxist any day! I also agree with the comment about the underlying sexism of the 'Good Ole Boys' who can't seem to stand these up and coming women in Politics. They get the jealousy from women and from men who don't really want women playing in the 'Big Boy League!' Well we Tea Party mothers are here to protect our families from this tyrannical, inept government and take it back for the prosterity of our children who because of this Administration and the Democrats have burdened them with such debt as would have been incomprehensable just a short time ago! Never come between a mother, her children and family when they are threatened. We women will fight to the end in order to give them the life we once knew and now because of this despot in the White House, their futures are questionable because of the debt and intrusions on their freedoms, they have burdened them with! Unconsionable!

Aaron| 9.21.10 @ 12:11PM

I won't weigh in here on the fitness of O'Donnell, because I know you readers aren't interested in hearing what I think about that.

But isn't it ironic that the left has been calling the right racist and sexist for decades, often unfairly I admit, and the right has sways eschewed such accusations as 'identity politics' and 'playing the race/gender' card. When the Republican party leaders and pundits turn on it's female insurgent candidates, though, cries of sexism come from the right itself.

This is an interesting development, I think. Republicans have lately been dipping into a lot of identity politics, whether it be playing the gender card to defend O'Donnell's honor, suspecting all Muslims of being terrorists or all illegal immigrants of being leeches and anchor babies, or a mixed-race president of being a Kenyan anti-colonialist.

After years of poo-pooing the feminist left, and conflating the most radical feminists with the mainstream, only now do you see the value of equal treatment for your women (what would Phyllis Schlafly think??).

What makes this all the more notable is that the accusation of sexism here is no more grounded than the accusations from the left that are so casually dismissed. There are much more plausible explanations for why the establishment would turn its back on these insurgent candidates- because it doesn't think they can win, for example (whether they can or not... I actually give O'Donnell more chances than most). Or maybe even if they win, it doesn't think they can operate effectively, or it doesn't feel it has enough control over them.

Or maybe there really is sexism at work here, but always though the proper conservative response to such allegations was to withhold judgment until there is clear evidence, rather than form a conclusion first and then re-interpret the facts to support that conclusion. Oh, but then again, such such 'proper conservatism' has been muscled out of the party.

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