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Welcome to the Hotel Kyoto

By Chris Horner on 9.10.10 @ 12:41PM

Apropos of this post yesterday, a remarkable story has come out about the Kyoto Protocol. Apparently, check-out time is 2012, but you can never leave.

So sayeth the Kyoto powers that be, reminding us yet again to not enter agreements, or even negotiations with people -- which so cutely hanging in agony and extend into extra hours each session over wording and nuance -- to whom terms and agreements mean absolutely nothing.

Before you read the following from today's "ClimateWire", consider this language from the Kyoto Protocol:

There is, as the treaty serially says, a "first commitment period", and it is "2008 to 2012". And Kyoto is the commitments, and nothing else. If the commitment period 2008-2012 doesn't end when 2012 ends, then words and numbers no longer have meaning.

Now read what the people in charge of that mess say:

NEGOTIATIONS: Kyoto Protocol will continue despite climate talks

The Kyoto Protocol will not end in 2012, or in any other year, no matter what happens in future climate change talks among nations, the executive secretary of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change said Wednesday.

Speaking in India, Christiana Figueres said that the protocol does not have a "sunset clause," meaning that it will continue indefinitely even if climate talks fail or if nations come up with new goals for reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. Countries are set to meet in Cancun, Mexico, later this year for another round of negotiations on nations' second commitment period for emissions reductions.

Put aside just for the moment the merits of the very idea of negotiating a climate change treaty. You do. Not. Even. Negotiate. With. Such. People.

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John DuBose| 9.11.10 @ 12:04PM

I am a retired physicist who recently looked into the whole AGW idea. What I saw is that it depends on a complex interplay between water vapor and the weaker greenhouse gas CO2. Modeling that interaction is VERY difficult. I get the impression that the global warmist applied some simplifications that would tend to make the
feedback loup look positive.

Modeling the effect of cloud cover is also very difficult.

I think the jury is still out.

But what is clear is that big parts of the developing world are rapidly building coal fired generating plants. They may give lip service, but we humans are making and will continue to make a lot of CO2. The experiment is on whatever we do in the USA.

Thomas| 9.12.10 @ 10:03AM

The whole concept of man-made global warming is ludicrous. Volcanic activity puts several times the amount of CO2, water vapor and other pollutants into the atmosphere every year than does human activities. Methane seepage from the earth's crust puts many times the amount of methane into the atmosphere than does all the domestic animals and landfills in the world. Natural oil seepage releases many times more oil into the oceans and seas every year than does all the human spillage accidents in history. Everyday human activity is not going to destroy the world.

As to the U.S. leading the world, we already do. It is possible for mankind to cause serious local pollution problems. And those problems are addressed everyday in American. Remember the problem of acid rain in the eastern Great Lakes region in the 80's? That was caused by sulfur dioxide emissions from coal fired electrical plants and factories in the region. It was corrected, not by closing the plants, but by filtering out the harmful SO2 emissions. And, it should be noted, the acid rain was a local phenomenon, not anywhere near a global one. The same can be said for water pollution in the Great Lakes and many rivers in the industrial sections of this country. But, it must always be remembered that no evidence suggests that any human activity has ever caused planet wide environmental changes

The international environmental movement is controlled by parties who have a political agenda. That agenda is to hamstring the economies of the first world nations, while leaving the second and third world unencumbered. Global warming is a giant political scheme to redistribute wealth on a massive scale.

Brook| 9.12.10 @ 1:59PM

Follow the money and you will find the real reason the left is pushing the globaloney warming hoax.

It's always about OTHER PEOPLES' money with the worthless left.

shipley130| 9.12.10 @ 6:51PM

Scammers, every one of them. Tax dollar junkets around the world. Start holding the negotiations in the Mojave desert and see who shows up. No hookers, no fine dining, masage parlors, no Kyoto. Put the fu##ers up in temper tents and see how far that unlimited negotiation bullsh** lasts.