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At NRO, Andy McCarthy launches from a Washington Times editorial to make further points about a State Department sponsorship of a foreign trip by the sponsor of the Ground Zero mosque. Andy’s last paragraph hits the ball out of the park:
Someone in Congress needs to get to the bottom of whether this government is also underwriting Islamic religious institutions, and doing so in violation of U.S. law. And wholly apart from questions of legality and utility, Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states Rauf is visiting are swimming in petro-dollars — why can’t they fund icons of Islamic supremacism on their own … maybe using the money they’d otherwise spend on the hate literature they produce for American Islamic centers?
It is indisputably a good thing for Americans to welcome and promote moderate Muslims (if they truly are moderate). It is absolutely obnoxious for the U.S. government to use American tax dollars to directly underwrite religious proselyzation — especially by somebody whose hands may not really be clean.
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Eric Dondero | 8.11.10 @ 10:40AM
Can someone please explain why James Antle, the resident paleo-conservative here, and other paleos are completely silent on the Ground Zero Mosque issue?
Why no comments from Lew Rockwell, Justin Raimondo, and the Ron Paul people?
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed their complete and utter silence on the GZ Mosque?
W. James Antle III| 8.11.10 @ 11:29AM
If you want to know what I think, why don't ask you ask me rather than ask for someone to "explain" it to you?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38428
Eric Dondero | 8.12.10 @ 10:59AM
Well, well, well. I humbly stand corrected. I'm quite impressed actually. Good job Antle. But this does suggest a split amongst the Paleos. Looks like Paleo-Cons like you and Buchanan are lining up against the GZ Mosque, yet Paleo-Libertarians like Rockwell, Raimondo, and the Ron Paulists remain ambivelant or in favor.
Hmmn? Trouble in Paleo-Paradise maybe?
Bill | 8.16.10 @ 8:07PM
They have been commenting on it.
See http://www.lewrockwell.com/blo.....62598.html
I have made remarks about it on my blog as well. Click my name.
Walt| 8.11.10 @ 10:47AM
Conservatives respect religious freedom and property rights. The proponents of the Ground Zero Mosque (what other name?) have a right to build it - no matter how offensive. Citizens in this country also have freedom of speech, and we need to exercise it by denouncing this Mosque as what it it: A victory monument. All Islam understands this. Most importantly, it is for moderate muslims, especially clerics, to denounce it.
JohnC| 8.11.10 @ 5:48PM
"A victory monument."
So I take it you're claiming that the Cordoba Center is designed to CELEBRATE the murder of 3,000 people.
The wonderful thing about our country is that our Constitution protects even the right of imbeciles like you to spout off nonsense - as well as my right to call out your BS for what it is.
Oldefarte| 8.11.10 @ 12:52PM
Being somewhat ignorant of the full historical facts of this federal governmental department, I am vaguely aware that the US State Department has always been suspect and looked upon with crossed eyes as to their team playing along with other federal government departments [ie Defense]. There has always been a liberal/progressive bent to STATE, even in Republican administrations' years/terms. That State would be sponsoring this radical Muslim's conapaign [to build this mosque] contribution trip to the middle east [at taxpayers' expense] is not surprising to me. Hillary Clinton should be called on the carpet for same, but since the MSM is in her/liberals' political pockets, HELL WOULD FREEZE OVER [as the saying goes] before that would be seen or possible!!!!
Nate| 8.11.10 @ 1:53PM
A Islamic community center will be erected 2 blocks from ground zero on private property.
You can bitch, whine, moan, complain, stamp, honk, howl, and bray, and that's your right.
But this is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and we don't establish religion here.
American Muslims have assimilated well to this country and to our culture. They are hard working, friendly, decent people. Their religion may be different than yours, but if you would remove your head from the frantic Fox Newsopia in which you dwell long enough to meet some of them, you'd be surprised to find them ordinary human beings with values pretty close to your own.
Some are making arguments on this issue that are so absurd I scarcely know what to think. One wonders if Saudi Arabia would allow us to build a church or synagogue there.
As if our civil liberties and sense of justice is derived by comparisons with Saudi Arabia!
Folks, you live in AMERICA. Deal with it.
edward.del_colle| 8.11.10 @ 3:02PM
perhaps mindless nathan should take his head out of his patoot! the islamic docrtrine calls for jihad, a plagiarized religion from judeo and christianity, with their heads in centuries far past! the imam running this "outreach center" has been quoted as saying, " i wouldn't say that the U.S. deserved what happened, but the U.S policies were an accessory to the crime that happened". now read that sentence, NATHAN, the constitution is not a suicide pact. wake up, read andrew mccarthy, you'll learn something about the clash of civilisations!!!!
Grzmlyk| 8.11.10 @ 3:10PM
Yes, MSNBC blinders are far more fashionable than the "Fox Newsopia." That's what all the COOL people who CARE are wearing this season, dahling.
It's not "hard working, friendly decent" Muslims who want to build that mosque where pieces of the wreckage of the worst attack on American soil occurred, wanted to name it Cordoba House, or wanted to open it on 09/11/2011.
And I'm not sure you qualify as "hard-working, friendly and decent" if your raison d'etre is to wipe Israel off the map.
What I am sure of jack asses like you really get off on moral preening. You fools have no qualms about claiming the moral high ground by climbing onto platform made entirely of straw men. Just so you can shout, "Look at me! I'm better than you!"
Nate| 8.11.10 @ 4:51PM
You are free to have any opinion you wish of Muslims, no matter how bigoted or ill-informed.
However, you cannot escape the first amendment.
There's just no question: these people have EVERY right to build that mosque.
By the way, the Cordoba House has been in Manhattan for THIRTY YEARS.
Oldefarte| 8.12.10 @ 10:39AM
I'm sure the relatives of the 3000 innocents of 9/11/01 would ALL agree with your profound thoughts [or lack thereof]!!!!!!!!
Pete | 8.11.10 @ 1:56PM
What does a moderate Muslim look like, sound like, think like? Kind of a quiet bunch, especially on issues that belie theirs as a religion of peace and tolerance.
Nate| 8.11.10 @ 3:20PM
The "conservative" American today is a BULLY.
You pick on undocumented workers and their children, gays, Muslims, blacks -- any minority you can pile on and blame for your increasing lack of economic security.
Folks, if you want economic security and mobility you're going to have to start fucking VOTING for it.
Turn off Fox News and learn something about what's going on in the world. Be men, for Christ's sake, not worms!
Oldefarte| 8.12.10 @ 10:46AM
We will start VOTING FOR IT beginning in November, count on it, MORON. Oh, and as for your instruction to 'LEARN SOMETHING', I'd suggest you can even possibly do likewise NOW from your indoctrinated NBC, CBS, NYT, ABC, Time, Newsweek, etc of the drop in the toilet poll numbers that ya boy, EL CHOSEN ONE, and his merry band of Chicago goons are now experiencing. As is said, BETTER LATE THAN NEVER, and, in November 2010 & 2012, it will be %%%%%SO LONG, IT'S BEEN NICE TO KNOW YA%%%%%
Inge| 8.12.10 @ 4:48AM
There is no 'moderate muslim, or moderate islam'. When are we going to understand that?? The Quran is what it is. Their god calls for dominating the infidels, beheading them, hating them (christians, and jews, and everything non-muslim. Islam means 'submission'.
Sure not all muslim screan alluh akbar, and beheading the people around them, although their god calls to lie, cheat, and steal until they converted everybody to be 'muslim'.
Until americans, and everybody else in the world understand what their god demands of them, they will advance their contrived ideology!
Chris| 8.19.10 @ 12:29AM
IT'S DUMB DE DUMB DUMBDERO!!!!!!!!!
http://original.antiwar.com/ju.....acid-test/